NEVER MISS A FALLING UP AIR AS CLOUD - SSBU Bidou Tech
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2024
- Showcasing uses for Cloud with tap jump bidou for Cloud. This is different from smash 4 bidou but this tech allows for consistent frame cancelled falling up airs, bairs and perfect auto cancelled dairs. WTFinland_SSB first showed me the double bair in a single full hop, so I decided to lab it and this is what I found. And no, the Cloud skins are not available for download (except for Hellbound Cloud)
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"you're gonna need tap jump and shoulder set to special" yeah im all set actually
Lol. I played with tap jump on since the first day I played smash and it gives you so many more options and applications vs not having it on. The only changes I made over the years was having a shoulder jump button and tilt stick. Manually doing smash attacks is pretty easy, the game was designed with people doing it manually anyway.
I can idj perfectly with one button so im good@@phypesmash6154
this is really cool this reminds me off the same thing that allows popgun cancels to work with diddy but i cant handle using tap jump lol
Thank you so much for posting cloud tech! cloud mains appreciate you!!
Dang great video blank
Bruh fox actually got lag less dairs 😭😭
Don’t tell Spargo under any circumstances
He's already aware
Congrats on 1k blank❤ very interesting tech
Thanks! I'll prob do a montage video
Thats awesome! Thanks
careful, he's a legend
this is sick
crazy find
Spargo watch this 🤩
Nice find! This will advance the meta for sure. Frame perfect landing Bair and UpAir 🙌
smash 4 bidou is making a return 😭🙏
Maybe I can do this with Wolf nair fair or up air
Even tho i can already hit falling uair on shorter characters, this new tech is an absolute game changer, this could actually make falling uair and ac dair optimal combo starters🎉
Blank, do you think this will affect clouds ranking in tier lists?
Since it requires tap jump a lot of players won't be using it. I'm also used to hitting short chars and I use idj for the double bair and ac dair stuff. I'm debating if I'll use it. Tap jump comes with a lot of nuances. The tech itself is really good but probably not enough to change him drastically on the tier list
So are you implementing this into your play? Seems like a lot of work since requires new button lay out. Might try it though.
Tap jumps makes it a nuance for me. But I sometimes mess around with it on friendlies.
Yo Bl4nk, is there a reason for why it has to be with Tap Jump instead of using button presses? I think that's the only thing holding this new good tech a little back tbh
Yes this is a bug that only happens with tap jump. Probably an oversight by the devs. Regular jump does not work.
Very cool but how do you get used to tap jump?
I'm asking myself the same question
wait is there an error in ultimateframedata or did i miss something
it say cloud's fh is 49 frame, but bair is frame 11 & has 42 total frame, so it should add up to 52 which is more than 49, so the hitbox shouldn't come out
same thing for up air, it is frame 8 & 44 total frame
It does not add up to 52. Bair is 42 total frames and that already includes the 11 frame start up. 2 bairs should take 53 frames then to come out. Which is still more than 49. Thing is, aerials can affect a character's gravity. Also, hurtbox shifting might play a factor too. I tested and Cloud does take longer to land when performing a buffered f4 full hop bair.
Yea I don’t understand the math either. Unless this tech makes the FH duration increase
okay I though about it and it was the only thing I could see to make it work
Ty
is there an updated bidou tutorial for SSBU? i look up the tech on YT and it's all tr4sh stuff.
why smash attack off??... Does it prevent using it?
Great vid BTW
It's something to do with you having to hold special. Smash attack messes with that
oh no, smash 4 cloud
How do you do it without throwing out a special move? Because if you begin to hold down the special button you throw out a laggy special move just to set it up.
Oop, nevermind, I saw you held shield and the pressed the special button, which stopped you from doing a special.
Just charge limit with down b, then cancel it with the shoulder button
@@Zachariah2104 by canceling limit charge, you can also do it in the air
Another question that I can't find the answer to, is the up air possible to do with limit on? I can't seem to hit the falling up air when limit is active.
@@Zachariah2104 no u fall too fast
Is it possible to use the tech without jumping with the stick?
No you will still get the short hop macro.
I know I might be a lost cause because I'm not that hard on Smash but can someone tell me what is "f4" full hop, bair's "FAF" and "AC" dair? I don't really find results on Google...
The only acronym I know with AC is Advent Children from the FF7 movie 💀...
Btw thank you for that video!
This video is a bit more advanced in terms of tech, so I took some liberties to shorten some of the terms used, but I'll help you out. F4 is frame 4. Full hop aerials in this game always start on frame 5 and this tech allows them to start a frame earlier. FAF is first actionable frame. Is the frame right after a move where you can do another action, so if do a bair and that move takes 42 frames to complete, your first actionable frame or FAF would be 43. AC stands for auto cancel. Tho advent children is sick 😂. Auto cancel is landing with a move on a specific frame usually at the end of the move so that you land with no lag.
Okay it now makes more sens in my head! Thanks for your time and explaination! Good work here 🔥🔥🔥
idk how u are supposed to hold special without the move coming out?
You can hold special while holding shield or to do a pummel with special then hold it. Some special moves you can hold special after doing the special move
Unrelated but does anyone have the link to the skins in the second part ? It’s amazing
Most of the skins used here are private. Check the link in description to see which are available for download
@@PaleBl_nk wdym they're private ? Like you're the one who made them ?
@@Tony-yz1vn yes I made them
im confused, is this not also possible with idj?
This is more consistent and you do not lose your jump while doing it unlike idj
Making smash ultimate even mashier
That's the bad thing.
I find Palutena use the back air like that,when they're at Kill percent because their Nair combo doesn't work on me anymore.
ive come to the conclusion that people who complain about mashing in this game won't do better than be decent at the game, cant deal with mashers? say goodbye to consistent results cause there's always that 1 terry main in the region.
wdym by with special held?
Hold a special button that can be set to any button. The default is B button but a shoulder special button is recommended
I find it funny how people struggle so much with accidentaly jumping with tap jump that they turned it off, excluding themselves from more options because they can't press buttons slower.
anyway to do this without tap jump?
As far as I know, no
What’s a slingshot cancel?
You can cancel a slingshot with an upsmash in this game. 3:22 you can see the beginning of my slingshot be cancel by an upsmash. This is faster than reverse upsmash as this can be done out of an initial dash, you also slide more.
1:16
Also Palutena can do that.
I'll ban almost 80% of players of those people that use backair like this.
People have tutorials for cloud? 😂
Yes.
He's an Easy character to use,but he has some trick up in His pocket.
Has anyone applied this to other characters? I've been trying to find uses for characters like Pyra, ZSS, Banjo.. I don't have the brain to think of scenarios. I've found that IDJ using tap jump can be pretty helpful to have consistent low fairs and bairs, but at the cost of a double jump🫠