Teen Wolf: The Movie - A Monumental Mistake
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2023
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Scott playing lacrosse to save everyone is the equivalent of Archie's epic highs and lows of high school football.
The sound I made reading this comment was just insane LMAO
@@wooloosus6866 I made a similar sound. But the op comment is so on point.
😂😂
I haven't even watched this yet but you made me fall out 😂
Good one
I genuinely think Tyler Hoechlin only came back under the condition that he would be killed off so that way people never ask him to return to the series ever again
that actually makes so much sense lmaooo
The fact he’s one of the producers makes this even funnier
He or his hypothetical offspring kinda has to be in the movie b/c he's the main character. For example, Imagine a 15yr time jump in a Smallville movie without Clark or a Clark legacy insert
a character being dead didn't stop crystal reed lmao
@@e.ogigia that’s true if the bags big enough they gonna find a way 😂
This could've been 10 times better if the plot started with them coming back to Beacon Hills for a 15-year highschool reunion and by accident, shit would've started happening.
Just like, mom and dad met in accident then having a child on spot.
But the unnecessary cast of Liam and Kira knockoff wouldn’t have any reason to be there :(
And then someone like Kate (because she's canonically still alive, we just don't know here she is) frees the Nogitsune because it's Kate and he immediately starts nogitsuning all over the place. Maybe even appearing as Claudia in order to trick Stiles into coming back and forcing the Stilinski men to confront their grief.
@@niaayers4102 that was Liam lol
@@detricks I meant Liam, and Kira knockoff lol
So they didn't bring back Dylan O'Brian, who's the fan favorite and is integral to the story. They killed off Derek, who's another fan favorite. They didn't bring back Kira, who's also integral to the story. And to top it off, they brought back Allison just to put her back into her relationship with Scott so that he could have the happy ending that he didn't deserve while everyone else got screwed over. Do I have that right?
YES FUCK JEFF DAVIS!!!!!
Thats bsucally what happened and its horrible! 😭
The minute I heard that they killed Derek and for no reason brought the Nogitusne back, I knew I was glad to not have seen the movie because even the trailers looked bad. Im actually so pissed that this movie even happened. And I already wasn't gonna watch it because Stiles wasn't gonna be in it... 🙄🥲
Scott hasn't done a thing not to deserve a happy ending lol
Why does Scott not deserve to be happy?
Everything else you said (including bringing her back just to make Scott happy) makes sense but Scott’s been through some shit.
@@BriarPatchNyra He literally tried to get other people to do his killing for him so he wouldn't lose his true alpha status. He dragged Stiles for killing that psycho that was after his dad but the moment Scott needed people dead he tried to beg other people to do it for him so he could remain pure and oh I never kill anyone bullshit
the most ironic part about bringing back the nogitsune is that, like…people didn't like the nogitsune because it was such a wonderful villain as a concept. they liked the nogitsune because of how it messed with the main cast and specifically how it possessed Stiles and let Dylan O'Brien flex all over the place. take stiles away and he's just a boring invincible villain.
I completely agree, no one would have cared about the Nogitsune if it didn’t possess Stiles
Dylan O’Brien was hot before the nogitsune season but AFTER?? He and his character were SENSATIONAL it caused and uproar
@@melobski4 "im a thousand years old, you cant kill meeee"
Stiles isn't teen wolf 🤷 didn't care if he's in it or not
@Shattered Image He made it popular, tho so....your opinion is irrelevant
The fact that they tried to do a Nogitsune plot WITHOUT the two most important characters in the original story line Stiles and Kira, is BAFFLING to me.
THANK YOU!!!!!
@@amandakenney4997 yeah except Arden Cho ruined things for herself and pulled the race card
@@thatguySmitty234 ?
@ThatguyRalvgroth Not sure about that.... But I have heard/read that she wasn't offered the same amount of money as some of the other characters... Being that she was (1) a big character in the show. AND (2) the movie idea basically revolves around kitsunes & nogitsunes... Which IS Kira (and Dylan).... SO???
@@amandakenney4997 she was offered the same amount as everyone else lol
It really feels like Jackson was supposed to be Stiles in this movie, and they just did the bare minimum to rewrite him to fit after Dylan O'Brien declined. That's why he's the one doing detective stuff (While confused), supporting Lydia and never transforming or doing anything supernatural, despite being one of the most physically powerful creatures in the show.
I thought so too. And the scene with the puzzle would make more sense as Stiles would be more used to interpret Lydias drawings and that kind of stuff
I didn't think about that. All I could think about was how useless he was. After 15 years he was brought back as the same dumbass jock. He was dumber in this movie. He has two supernatural forms and he was still weak. But lets be real. No can replace Stiles.
Damn you're probably right omg 😆
Omg yeeess that makes so much sense now!!! Because after S6 Jacksons a badass with a TAIL! He has paralytic venom!! So how was the undead teacher pushing him around?
But if it was stiles, yh makes sense Jeff always liked putting stiles in positions where only his mouth could get him out.
I know how that sounds but lets keep it PG 🤦🏽♀️😅
But it also proves how much he regressed all the characters except like Derek. Because after 15 years Stiles wouldve probably been an FBI agent with a gun and training.. Or a deputy at the Sheriff’s department at the very least, with a gun and training! He wouldnt be vulnerable to being pushed around either but 🤷🏽♀️
Typical Jeff Davis plot!
That was my impression too.. his one "useful" act in the movie was a poorly executed Stiles pep talk.
as an aspiring writer, hearing about this clownery makes me feel confident that maybe one day my writing will get published
Good luck mate
Seriously good luck!
You can't do worse than this. Just remember the rules that you set in whatever it is you're writing and I'd think you'd be golden, but good luck. Lol
You can certainly do way better than these ppl for the movie. Shouldve hired talented writers like you to make the movie better.
😂😂😂
The fact that they thought they could pull off another Nogitsune storyline without Dylan/Stiles and Arden Cho/Kira..........
True!! he felt like such a knockoff in this movie especially when he unmasked it ruined all the creepiness
yeah continuing to go with that storyline when two of the most relevant characters won’t be appearing was... a choice
AND Arden like Kira is the whole reason the nogitsune plot even came about smh
they added the nogitsune because they added Allison because of fan service
@@alyssa6744 so true.... The two people who actually have a legit connection with the Nogitsune aren't even in the movie 🤦
Arden Cho and Dylan O'Brien are probably celebrating the fact that they don't have this movie on their resumes. They made an excellent call in skipping this disaster! 👏🏾😍
you are a normie
Teen Wolf really said let’s cut the best characters… it’s like when you don’t get hired for a job and you find out it’s because the interviewer knows the company sucks and they care that you have a good life so they don’t pick you.
How can you have a Teen Wolf movie without Stiles Stilinski? Tumblr was more obsessed with him and Derek than they were with the main character, Scott.
@@hope-cat4894 my tumblr was literally a Dylan O’brien and Daniel Sharman thirst folder with some 1D sprinkled in. I was in a DOB fan group… I can confirm this was tumblr 😂🤣
As soon as they said “no Stiles” I knew I wasn’t watching lol it would have been a great opportunity for all the original characters to reunite. Also why the HELL did they treat Arden so bad?!
the fact alone that they still went for a nogitsune storyline without dylan and arden is baffling to me, what did they think they were gonna accomplish lmao
there is one thing that is good about this movie. The fanfictions that people are gonna write to do a proper story are gonna be gold.
That's the only thing I'm waiting, might be able to save my braincells with this atrocious thing ☺️ peace 😘
That's the only thing I'm here for
HA! Ain't that the truth!
Where do you guys read these fanfic?
@@GintokiDLuffy Ao3 mostly, there are over 18,000 fanfics for Sterek (Stiles and Derek) alone.
The Nogitsune was the most popular villain… because of Stiles.
Literally because of Dylan O Brien’s acting. He MADE that moment what it was, they attempted to bring back what he made without him..
Yepp it wasn't the double in the wraps and jacket but stiles all pale, darkened eyes, and magnificent acting that made that villain great in season 3
and only existed as a plot because of the yukimura family and arden cho
@@dem0litionsss ^ yepp. Logic would dictate that Noshiko at least would have shown up to deal with it. Noshiko and Kira would have been ideal.
This! ☝️ All of this! ☝️It was definitely because of the love we had for Styles and Dylan's amazing acting.
The cgi not improving even though we are in 2023 is the weirdest thing to me
They are being cheap and paying for the cheapest CGI they could find. I know people that can string this for like 500 bucks
well the budget is like $5 and a dream so
@@Kaastengels "$5 and a dream." 🤣
They also reused some shots from the show. Truly bottom of the barrel
that scene with Scott and the burning arrows...
They broke the rule about how the Nemeton always had to want to be found. The fact that Eli just randomly knew where it was blows my mind.
Exactly!
The Nemeton would've never let them do the shit that was done! The tree knew better!
They broke so many rules in their own universe. Dumb…
Plot hole any one?
You missed the part about Eli sleepwalking after his powers kicked in like Scott in s1 the nemeton calls supernaturals and Eli walked to it almost every night or full moon
I think we've learned that if a show you love abruptly ends, let it stay dead
Yup!
Yeah.
Except Anne with an E lol I would give everything for a new season :'(
If you can’t get Stiles and Kira to come back, then I’m sorry-the Nogitsune has no business being the main antagonist of this movie.
RIGHT!
No it’s crazy that they even tried to bring back that storyline without the two main players like?? 😭
Agree!!
Omg right!! I thought the same thing! It makes no sense
They knew that too, so they gave us, (no offence) Budget Kira, and Stiles jr.
...and they thought we wouldnt notice because Loook Scallison is back together!!! Our Romeo and Juliet!!! Happily ever after!! Just like you wanted, right? Right!?
No, Jeff. No.
Now they know 🤷🏽♀️
this just makes me so sad that they aren't even capable of creating a decent piece of film for a fandom that has loved the show for YEARS. It's so embarassing.
whats emberassing is this comment name me 5 flaws in the movie and tell me that you watched the whole show
@@PushingPiston536 The two people who have any legit connection with the Nogitsune is not in the movie. Colton Haynes? Why the fuck is he there, he did nothing. And Shelley Hennig? Don't understand her point in it beside them telling us she's dating the hellhound. Why was Liam there? beside them telling us he has a new girlfriend that is like Kira (her replacement) but did nothing with her. Why was Peter there? Half the cast was not important or needed and they could have written a better way for Allison to came back if they were gonna use her for fan service.
@@PushingPiston536 And, Hon, this movies is only connected to the plotline of season three. Nobody needs to watch the whole show to understand this shit movie.
@Dior Linn but season 3 is a masterpiece 😅 seasons 1&2 are better than seasons 4+
@@PushingPiston536
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The fact that Kira was not in the movie and the main villain came from her story arc is ridiculous.
Give it to me right or don't give it to mE at all 🎶🎵
The problem with Teen Wolf was always that Jeff Davis decided to make a dramatic version of a popular movie and accidentally,(he said he almost didn't hire them because they weren't very good) hired amazing actors who made the flat characters come to life and be lovable. Only we didn't love the characters he wanted us to love, we loved Stiles, Derek, and Kira, and wanted them to have their own arcs but he always just had a hard on for Scallison and therefore went out of his way to shut down the things the fans love out of bitterness. i.e. purposely not writing scenes with Stiles and Derek together and sending Kira off on the crazy journey. Jeff has always been butt hurt that the fans didn't love what he wanted them to love. So no, this was never going anywhere good. Considering how much amazing fanfic there is out there to get inspired by there is no excuse for there not even being a semblance of a plot to this
Honestly, Scott was the most boring character of the show and him and Allison were just cringe. Derek was such an interesting character with so much potential and he was just wasted. Derek and Stiles were my favorite too, and Kira was the best girl for Scott.
I really didn’t like Kira character the others Rea. Stiles was my fav
Scott and Allison remind me of Max and Liz in the original and new Roswell. They were so boring to the point that I didn't care about them.
@@cristela4034 For real. Such a detailed, dark, tragic backstory wasted. Not to mention the way they dealt with trauma on that show! i.e. not at all
@@cristela4034 To be fair to Scott he has some very funny lines especially in season 2. But in later seasons he's very bland.
Can we talk about how Derek Hale, who lost the majority of his family because they were BURNED ALIVE, lets himself be BURNED ALIVE VOLUNTARILY in front of the only family he has, namely his uncle (who was originally badly injured and traumatized by the fire) and his son (who is roughly the same age Derek was when he was orphaned)? That is... so painful and insulting to Derek's trauma, and reminds me of the Hound in GoT also dying by fire. The rest of the video cracked me up and made me cringe, but this realization genuinely made something in my chest clench.
When I first read that the movie would feature Derek with a teenage son, I immediately knew they were gonna fumble it. I just didn't imagine they would fumble it to such an extent. They gave the man who just lost and lost and lost throughout the series the abstract /concept/ of a happy life (rando kid, sans mom???) and then just... fridged him, in order to give his son the same tragic backstory he had. All for... a potential sequel series?
Ouch. Ouch all around.
God, you couldnt have explained better. What is the thing with supernatural tv shows and orphans ??? Derek didnt deserve an epic death. He deserved to live a happy life with his kid, because he has been having trauma since he was 15. Omg. Being an orphan is not epic, and is not a powerful plot to any future spin off. Derek deserved a better ending
100% this, I get wanting to finish Derek's story but this was not it.
Death by fire just feels spiteful and I'm so glad I learned of it before I watched the movie, cos now I won't.
Derek Hale is the ultimate plot tease, consistently showing potential in the ideas but with botched payoff. And the absolute lack of respect for the trauma be endured is off-putting.
Only good thing about the movie is that I imagine it'll spawn more fanfic, I'll take that
Couldn't have said it better myself👏. Aside from different ships or preferences, bringing Hoechlin's Derek back was probably one of the few attractions of the movie, since Dylan wasn't gonna be in it. However as usual all Jeff was able to do, because he is not a capable writer, is heap suffering over suffering on this beloved character hoping that the gut-punch gets an emotional reaction from the audience. In my opinion that is all Derek's character was good for during the entirety of the show: bearing the burden of an incapable spiteful screenwriter who could not make the protagonist more liked for his own merits and needed a crutch to by turns beat down or berate to make Scott's character seem better. That is why I feel what was done here feels just so needlessly cruel and goes beyond lazy writing. It is just insulting to the fans who genuinely cared for this character and wanted to see him reach a measure of happiness at the end of his story.
@@diane_5789 and this is why we have fanfiction to fix all the crap that JD destroyed
@@struggleskywalker1025 YES
Jeff Davis really woke up and said “How can I ruin my series in 2 hours” This movie is the final product of Jeff Davis desperately trying to recapture Season 3B and he has failed once again, while also tarnishing that season in a way. In my opinion Teen Wolf as a whole ended with Scott and Stiles driving off in the Jeep at the end of 6A
Literally!!!!! I’m upset
Finally, someone said it! Truly season 6A felt like a series finale. I never bothered to watch season 6B
This was like a fanfic fever dream that he was able to publish because he's the original creator. It's so scattered.
the movie had so much potential, but instead, they brought back Allison because of fan service, ignoring all of the plot holes. They had a bullshit plot device where derek becomes a true alpha which directly contradicts the show's logic. They somehow added even MORE loose plot threads when they should have been tying them off
@@awholenewworld5796what I like is fans like you who pretend season 6 wasn’t god awful. The very last decent season was 3
When i think about it i’m pretty convinced that the reason almost everyone in the main cast agreed to return was because they haven’t had a good acting job in years. Almost all of them just have teen wolf in their resume.
Aside from Dylan who’s just good in every role he’s in and Tyler who’s a fantastic superman. Colton Hayes actually fit better in arrow than he ever did in this show and i’m glad he stuck around for 3 seasons. Crystal Reed had a recurring role in 1 season of Gotham but aside from that I didn’t really see much of her despite the fact that she wanted to “Move on to bigger things.” I’m glad Arden turned it down after being treated so poorly on the show.
That's so true. TV actors have it harder. All of my favorites barely get any jobs.
I've always thought that the reason Dylan chose not to come back, other than Dylan wanting to support Arden cho because of the mistreatment towards her, was because he genuinely realized that he was always too good for Teen Wolf.
in a good percentage of the scenes that stiles is in, all of his lines are perfectly executed and the sheer contrast between him and the other characters in the scene with him makes their acting seem worse, even when it is perfectly fine. Dylan O'Brien is such a good actor that he almost needs to be the main character. when you are the main character, it makes sense that you have the best acting skills. when you are the comic relief, it kind of doesn't.
Dylan O'Brien was really the definition of the diamond in the rough. the showrunners had no idea what they had and they never appreciated him enough. almost every movie he is in becomes beloved. Love and Monsters? huge success. The Maze Runner? pretty much the only really great thing about those movies was him. Dylan just has an ability to be overwhelmingly genuine in everything he does.
I think I've made my point so I'll stop going on and on, but we Didn't deserve Dylan O'Brien as Stiles. we should thank our lucky stars that we got him.
I mean... did anyone honestly expect this not to be terrible? The last season of teen wolf was one of the most shoddily written pieces of television ive ever seen, and I've watched the Charmed reboot.
I mean, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as this. It had some good to offer before you reached the weird endings of both halves.
and yet that ending was miles better than this...that's how bad this movie was. The movie could've been straight up fan service and it would've been better than this. none of the fans wanted this 😭
That's not as bad as HBO's tv series "The Idol"😂
Actually 6A was pretty decent. 6B was beyond horrific
Them STILL treating like Kira never existed is really unforgivable.
And leaving out Stiles again? Forget it.
Yeah I absolutely love Kira
Knowing that the Nogitsune was intricately linked to her family, it pisses me off even more. bring back the monster while ignoring where it first came from? Disrespectful for the character.
They’ve continually disrespected Arden and her character Kira.
@@astoldbynickgerr not surprised that they did that
If the actress does not wanna come back, and she did leave and did not do much during season 5 already, then there is not much they can do. And they had to bring back the most memorable villain for the movie.
My biggest gripe with this movie was that it was STATED in 3B that the Nogitsune could NOT be a Nogitsune and a Wolf at the same time! And now, he just is. Everything else aside that was just the nail in the coffin for me. Dylan and Arden made the best career choice by avoiding this movie like the plague. I wonder if they got a script of any kind or a synopsis and just went “nah we good”
From what I’ve seen Arden woulda been in the movie but was offered less money then everyone else in the cast of the show, which you just can’t accept or your agreeing your value is less then the rest
@@mitchw3170 oh absolutely I saw that as well, I’m just wondering if she got a script or synopsis of any kind as well!
There’s an interview with Jeff Davis where he said that at first Dylan was interested in coming back for a small role. Instead of agreeing to that Jeff gave him an ultimatum, probably trying to lock him into more movies, and Dylan bounced.
Sounds like there was no script to offer. Maybe just knowing that was enough to say no.
NAH CUZ THAT MADE ME FURIOUS ISTFG IT'S LIKE THEY RAN OUT OF IDEAS
I still have one BIG issue. And that issue is that if Allison died 15 years ago and Eli is also 15 then that means he was born in 2011 i.e. Season 1-3 of Teen Wolf. That means he was already born for most of the show and yet Derek clearly had no idea. Where was he all that time? New York? How did Derek not know? And then how did he eventually find out? Is Eli's mom still alive? Is she also a wolf? Did she & Derek have an actual relationship or was it a one-off? I have so many questions.
Allison is dead for more than 15 years. The characters just haven't been in beacon hills for 15 years, is just another plot hole
I'm so glad I'm not the only one with all these questions
I would oddly read a fanfic about this? Probably be better than this…film…
Your thinking to much into it. Allison died and Derek simply had a one night stand (or love interest) somewhere before or during the shows timeline.
@@itsproof2 no, the movie takes place in 2023 and season 1 takes place in 2011, derek is literally retconned to have had a kid the entire time who he never mentioned. and obviously you can no-prize it to say maybe the kid's mom didn't tell him until Eli was older, but the fact that the movie doesn't even have a throw away line to establish that is insane. until confirmed otherwise, i'm assuming eli was present in TW the entire time, just out of shot
When you said “by the way all this happened in the BEGINNING” I was baffled. Shook. Flabbergasted. I checked the time stamp. Only halfway in. I would have swore that what you just described took two hours. 😭
Whoever wrote this movie doesn’t deserve their job.
It felt like 2 hours.
funny thing about dylan o'brien is that he actually didn't have a problem making a small cameo but Jeff Davis was like "Nah that won't do. it's all or nothing" 💀 As if Dylan isn't one of the casts who has had the most success. He didn't even need this movie. He would have done Jeff a favor.
I'm glad Arden Cho refused to join. She deserved a better treatment and equal payment and should settle for nothing less.
A part of me is super happy the movie flopped without Stiles and Kira
So they could have had a Stiles cameo and they refused? Yeah, this movie deserves to fail, it was rushed and cringe. Of the two best characters of the show, one was a no show and they killed the other one.
@@cristela4034 yep pretty much. They set up themselves for failure
whered u hear that he offered to make a cameo?
@@azariele dylsn mentioned in an interview at some point (after the movie dropped)
Omfg!!! I legit said to my friend, Dylan would as a favour do a small cameo, even if it was over the phone. Because he cares about the cast and crew!
So when i didnt see the surprise cameo i was confused and disappointed.
Now it makes sense.
Its giving 'i and this show made you' type energy.
I hope not, but maybe thats why Dylan said he agreed with Ardens choice.
But yh i agree, the Arden drama soured the movie for me, especially when some of the cast members tried to passive aggressively play down her reasons, saying the movie was for the fans not about money.
Cause if that was true then why not match up the payments, how is she the only one paid less.
Yh after that I knew.
And same I'm a little glad it flopped too.
Some sad Karma
How a movie in 2023 has worse cgi and writing than the tv show that aired in 2011 and ended in 2018. Arden, Dylan, and Cody really dodged a bullet
Yes they totally dodged a big bullet
Where they messed up was in not writing the film around Stiles/O'brien. Him being an FBI agent would potentially have given them so many story possibilities. They had the opportunity to develop something cool yet mature that pushed the characters forward but chose silly, chaotic and unfocused writing. If they didn't have a script when they reached out to O'brien, no wonder he turned them down. Good for him. Serves Davis and company right. What a mess.
Jackson arranging the "puzzle pieces" is such a Stiles move. (It's so funny that you can actually see the numbers that show how to put them in order in the back of the drawings 😂😂)
Teen Wolf: “The Movie” is one of those “just because you can, doesn’t necessarily mean that you should” type situations for me.
This comment is so real.
Frrr I was disappointed when I saw the movie tbh I expected more
Someone tweeted: They could've just had a meal together
That's exactly what this...
Nah it feels more like a "Just because you should doesnt me You can" aka the movie should've happened, but Jeff wasnt the guy to do it.
This entire movie feels like Jeff Davis’s own personal wish fulfilment. His original plan was to have Allison survive to the end of the show had Crystal not departed from it. I think he viewed this movie as way to rewrite the history of his own show by giving Allison and Scott the happy ending they didn’t get in the original series. It’s like he wrote fanfiction about his own work but not the good kind.
Exactly, that is how it looks from the outside.
Jeff never got over the fact that whatever plot he created was never going to happen cuz they kept bleeding actors Jackson was replaced by Malia. Alison was replaced by Kira then Malia. Erica was replaced with Derek's sister who was replaced by Malia. These plot lines were just re used badly
I never watched the show but this is why I'm dreading pretty Little liars getting a movie or whatever. I just know the creator will try to pander to the emison shippers first and foremost.
And there are fanfictions out there, which are way more better written than that.
The thing that make it really annoying is that most of the fan don't ship Allison and Scott together. Hell, most fans didn't even start liking Scott character till after him and Allison sperated and his character starting growing up (though going to into Scott relationship in the fandom is roller cost in and of it self).
The other thing is that looking back on the show, You relaze how toxic their relationship was and how toxic Allison character was. Allison's whole character was kill all supernatural creatures unless its Scott (her boyfriend) or Lydia (her friend). She did not care about anyone else, till she started falling for Issac. She was fully supported her aunt and was going to kill Derek (how she had no reason or evidence had ever hurt/attacked anyone) in season one till she found out her Aunt was also going to kill Scott, she was fully on board with hurt innocent teenagers. helped her Grandfather kidnapped and torture three teenagers, one of which was human (and who was her boyfriend best friend/brother) and the other two were innocent werewolf who have never hurt/killed/attacked any one and were her 'FRIENDS', she shot arrows in said friends/innocent teenagers.
Stiles was needed in this movie. not justo from a fan point of view, but the plot itself doesn't work without him. The Nogitsune is his villain, his demon (literally) to fight. 3B wasn't about the trickster fox, if was all about how it affected Stiles and his friends. His absence definitely made them change the script and we got this. Arden was also needed, she was replaced but it wasn't the same.
Did they not realize that what made the Nogitsune such a good villain was Dylan O'Brien's acting or...
Fascinating how the filmmakers saw Kira's unfinished arc and fans interest in it and offered her Less pay
Her part wad going to be as small as her replacement’s so they thought they could low-ball her bc it wouldn’t be a full month of work.
Absolutely wasted Kira in the series, she would have been VERY useful in the ghost riders arc. And they were only putting her in this movie to *save* Scott. 🤢 The character of Kira deserved better but even Allison deserved better than being reduced to existing for Scott so we should probably all be glad Arden said no. 😅
One of the worst things that Teen Wolf did is making the "old ships" come back. The earlier philosophy of teen wolf was yeah heartbreaks are painful , but you will fall in love again. Quote from Scott's mom. And then Stiles ditched Malia out of nowhere for Lydia. And then Scott ditched Kira(written off the show), got with Malia and ditched her too for the reborn Allison. They fucked the ships.
Yup. Hated seeing Stiles go back to Lydia I prefer him with Malia. And that everyone else loved it I guess I was the minority here but I stopped watching after I saw it was going in that direction ugh hated that so much. And Lydia was like oh I now love him wtf when did that happen? And is it me but the two actors don’t have chemistry. Stiles had more chemistry with Malia even Derek. If they were going in that direction they should’ve have fast forward 5 years.
@@chriswildfire stalia💕
What? Did we watch the same show? Malia was the one that showed out of nowhere, Stiles was always in love with Lydia
Yah I’m avoiding this movie. If they couldn’t do it right they shouldn’t have at all
big disagree with the "Stiles ditched Malia out of nowhere" and "for Lydia". there's a full season showing the desintegration of Stiles and Malia's relationship, and it's not about Lydia.
I think the initial problem was not having Dylan O'Brian there and ofc the script. But I think they forgot that the reason the people like this villian was because of Dylan's portrayal of him when his character was possesed by the spirit of it
Literally Dylan not being there doomed the film to be garbage even before they started filming. There's a reason why 6B is so bad and a large part of that reason is the lack of Stiles.
My biggest problem with this film (aside from ALL the other countless flaws you’ve mentioned), is how insultingly they dealt with grief and the loss of a loved one. Deceased loved ones, now matter how badly we can wish for them to come back, never will. They’re dead. It hurts like hell and the only thing you can do is try to process your pain and move on with your life. That’s why I kept believing through the entire movie that Allison would have to disappear again, eventually, and that things would have to get back to the way they were except THEY DIDN’T. I feel so incredibly betrayed that she conveniently came back from the dead and STAYED to fulfill Scott’s void, without ANY valid reason for it. I was such as hardcore TW fan as a teen and this series literally helped me get through so much during those years to the point it still as an impact on me as an adult. Allison was my favorite character and her death destroyed me, but eventually I got over it and accepted that she would never come back, because that’s how it’s supposed to be. Anyways. Ta vidéo était ce dont j’avais besoin. ✌️🇫🇷
can't wait for Derek to come back with a pack of ghost wolfs or some bs like that
Exactly, especially since Scott moving on from Allison was so important for his character development and he matured after allison died, they reset his character back in this movie.
- Peter Hale sniffing the floor like scooby doo was enough to make this dumpster fire worth watching.
-That, and also Liam unironically speaking the most broken "white boy in a kimono with his Asian girlfriend" Japanese
- The timeskip exists solely an excuse to shoehorn in Derek's teenaged son whose only role is to add more weight to Derek's anticlimactic sacrifice
- The Nogitsune is Jeff Davis' Eobard Thawne
- 75% of the movie is just Scott running from Allison
100% agree w all these points like laughed out loud when Peter did that
Everything Peter did was SO unintentionally hilarious...like his line, "They'll be playing lacrosse, and unknowingly playing the nogitsune's game" LIKE WHAT SHDJDHDJ
How in the world did they think they would make a Nogitsune story without Dylan/Stiles and Arden/Kira?! That was HIS storyline and she played a big part in it. Not only that but the Nogitsune storyline was the best one they ever did. So glad the Dlyan, Arden, and Cody weren't part of this mess.
Also they had the balls to continue with a character rooted in Asian culture, but disrespected an Asian actress.
Who is Cody?
@@user-vj6ws1op4u the guy who played Theo or whoever. The dude who Stiles distrusted in the chimera arc who killed his sister
@@ShamaD274 ahhh yes truee Cody Christian
@Shama D that's the one. I just think it's very weird that there was no POC main characters in teen wolf (not counting Boyd because he was secondary and got killed off) and then when they finally have a POC main character, they write her off for no reason. 😕
Season 3 was, in my opinion, THE BEST season. Bringing such a villain back is a risky choice and they failed. Dylan and Arden were one of the most important.. they were the most important characters with the nogitsune part.
Them not joining is okay, it’s their choice. So they (Teen Wolf) should’ve chosen something else.
What about the end of season 6? They should’ve carried that one in the movie..
I followed Teen Wolf since it’s release and this just hurts my heart.
Dylan and Arden not joining the cast was an even bigger reason they should've carried on with the season 6 plot. Or a new plot! I'm sure any fic written could've done this movie in so many better ways.
Series took a nosedive when Stiles left. He was the glue that connected everything. He was what made scott. Add the fact that he was by far the most talented actor of the bunch and you couldnt expect anything better out of this "movie"
I had to force myself to watch the two last seasons because they were so cringy and disconnected and a mockery of the earlier seasons
I loved that you called out the ridiculousness of the “He’s the alpha” line, because I was making fun of that line SO much whenever the trailer came out. Can you imagine having a serious conversation with someone and he calls another person an alpha? I would back away slowly.
most people would assume that he meant "alpha male" and would basically label Scott as a migoynist
@@minglou2019 lol that’s the point bud
@@minglou2019 and even If hes Not, He STILL gets wolves wrong Just to have a references. Someone Tell them that normal wolves dont have Alphas please. They live in Family units. Alphas are the weirdo Humans and some Corners of paranormal romance xD
@@minglou2019 how does the word alpha relate to misoginy? You all call everything misoginy Im seriously wondering If you know what that word means
@@javierlopez9789 Because in some parts of social media, there are men who embraces toxic masculinity and they ALWAYS calls themselves an Alpha. Why? Because Alpha are always the higher ranking of the pack, it's the leader so it's supposed to be strong. Using the word Alpha makes them think that it's badass, powerful and stronger than anyone else. When really they're just a bunch of dickheads and bringing everyone down by being toxic (most likely mysoginistic sexist men saying the most common sexist things to women) just to look bigger and more dominant.
And don't forget...
Arden Cho was done dirty many times before this. I can remember all too well how horribly the crew behind the scenes had treated her throughout the filming of season 5.
Watching the season back, you can see the blatant disrespect. Her character was nullified at nearly every point and constantly written out of episodes. They were cutting out Arden's scenes without informing her. They misled her into believing she would return to season 6, only to basically tell her she was kicked off the last minute. Not to mention they never even sent an invitation to her to return for the shows final episode and the wrap-up party. They even once used her dog for promotional purposes without her permission on the show's social media pages after her firing.
Then they come back five years later, offering her a low salary and a week or two of filming. That seems like a spit in the face. Very glad she turned her back on them.
Perhaps it was something Arden had done that didn't sit well with others during the filming of the show. But regardless, it doesn't justify the seemingly unprofessional and disrespectful treatment she had received from the production crew.
Love or hate Kira (I loved her)... and I know she was only meant for 3B. But both her and the actress most certainly got screwed over.
Umm where did you get that? To my knowledge, she left during season 5, and the reason she appeared in so few episodes and then abruptly quit was at her own decision. Like Will Wheaton leaving Star Trek, she wanted to move on to bigger things and thought a TV show was not good enough for her. That's what I read.
@@SwiftNimblefoot that is completely wrong lol
@@SwiftNimblefoot She found out right before season six started production that she wasn’t going to be in the season. At the end of season five she fully expected to be in the next season.
@@Musician0489 then why were there reports of her being mistreated by the cast AND crew, two of the actors being ‘passive aggressively’ racist towards her. It was even said Dylan (Stiles) had been one of the only couple that treated her right.
@@user-jp5jq8gb4l she was only one of the only characters that could’ve (and partially did) have the best story arch within the whole show. Malia was the most forgettable character, Scott never changed and that was the problem, Lydia was stretched out to seem bigger than she actually was because a banshee compared to werewolves is mild on the scale and Stile had barely began to simmer from his own great story arch (being possessed). Kira and Stiles were the only best characters in my opinion and I’m glad they stayed away from that train wreck of a movie.
stiles was such a great character because of what he represented he represents the struggle of being a human in a world where the supernatural is real instead of relying on powers he uses his resources like his jeep a roll of duct tape a wrench and his mind to hear he would not be in the movie already made me worried about this movie and then to see it was free on paramount+ and after watching it i was left nothing but disappointed in a series i grew up with
Okay but if Styles and Lydia are broken up, why aren't Lydia and Parish hooking up? The writers gave so much uncomfortable sexual tension between the two characters that I was genuinely convinced they're going to have a whole adult-minor relationship plotline. They even did a lore dump to explain that Hell Hounds and Banshees have this deeply profound Supernatural connection, which explained all of the tension. And every time Lydia was in trouble, Parish would show up and princess carry her to safety. When Parish was in trouble, Lydia was ready to take out anyone who got in her way to save him. That's just a whole missed opportunity.
FOR REAL. They are the definition of wasted potential like their relationships would be a bit strange (because of the deep romance between Lydia and Stiles that the director (s) tried to show us), but it would be reasonable. They had so much chemistry and physical contact that I was surprised they weren't a thing in the show. Malia and Parrish? What the hell, they barely interacted in the show how could it happen 😿 i guess, the writers just didn't know what to do with these characters to make their line interesting, so they decided to do...this.
And what happened with Scott and Malia? Didn't really like that relationship anyway, but what happened... Because it seemed awkward between Scott & Malia in the movie... (?)
@@amandakenney4997 the second they said Malia and Scott were broken up, I already knew they'd make Scallison endgame. I'm guessing they only broke them up cause they needed Scott to be single so he could be with Allison. I guess they probably would explain that it's because she didn't want commitment in a relationship? Since she was only into fucking Parrish and not into a relationship.
To be honest it just seems like they had her develop backwards cause she was definitely into a relationship with Stiles. With them spooning and all that.
@jeast book IF Lydia & Stiles couldn't be.. I saw her being with Parrish: the Hell Hound & the Banshee..... Maybe?? LOL
at this point on, they trying to make malia fucking with every single guy in the pack. although lydia was considerered underage and parrish is not, i happened to ship them bc of their chemistry. but malia and parrish? that came out of nowhere.
Dylan O'Brien and Arden Cho dodged a bullet.
HELL YES TO THAT!!!!!
True but arden cho is walking straight into another bullet with Avatar the last airbender live action series. The writers of the show arent involved with it and its gonna be so bad. Arden Cho just keeps getting the short end of everything.
@@chellymac16 fr like I want the show to be so good because I loooove atla but idk liv actions for this kind of thing almost never work
Jackson finally knows where Scott gets his juice now that he's been in Scott's fridge.
Jackson was hilarious in this, he is so blaise about everything.
I love how there wasn’t even a story reason for stiles to be absent from the plot. Sheriff just says yeah he’s doing other stuff and that’s it
I'm still shocked Tyler H. came back, dude is doing great as Superman and accept the offer after seeing what they would do to Derek? What type of sorcery was used here? Also: Crystal Reed coming back as Allison after leaving the show bc she didn't want to play a teenager after turning 30 and bc she thought she could get better roles in Hollywood is so funny to me. What's next, Nina Dobrev in a Vampire Dairies movie?
He's one of the producers!
Nina still gets some roles at least 😭
well i mean shes not playing a teenager in this movie
Simple, he didn't know what would happen to Derek. Apparantly, Davis did not have a finished(or any) script until the last two weeks of filming this nightmare.
@@olmcskrtskrt8245 I think she still technically is, lol
This movie is bonkers
This whole movie is a big no. No Stiles and Kira? Strike one. Writing that sounds like it was done by a 16 year old wattpad writer? Strike 2. Horrible CGI and bloating the movie while sidelining a shitton of the cast? Strike 3. And Derek's thing had me fuming because...just why?
@@lydsmartin23 year but after the After movies and the lack of any writing from a person let alone good writing had been scarce. I still have the app too and ran into as many bad books as good ones.
@@lydsmartin23 So sad...and so true 😭
Kira left before season 6 even started, no chance she would just show up for a Teen Wolf movie. Also a lot of the actors because of other movies, shows and other reasons and didn’t plan on returning to the show before the movie even started.
Not sure why they needed a movie, should have just made a season 7
LOL it was the teacher, he was SUCH a popular fanfic villain between seasons 2 and 3. I even have an unpublished fanfic that I wrote with him as the villain somewhere in my old files. Now I 100% think they mishmashed a bunch of popular fanfic tropes together because they didn’t have any ideas. But they didn’t have any understanding of why those fanfics worked in the first place.
(Hint: it’s the character relationships being the main focus of fanfic, the mostly-coherent background plots, the more consistent worldbuilding, and the tendency to embrace the campiness rather than shy from it.)
Literally the only reason I even remember that character is become of how often he shows up in fanfics as "the teacher everyone hates"
I could not stop laughing at the riddle scene, the dialogue was insane and it came out of no where.
I was thinking is Argent the nogitsune? If so, when did that happen?!! Yes it’s never explained, top tier writing .
I was waiting for them to explain it and then rush to Scott and tell him not to try to reach Allison because it was the Nogitsune controlling him. I waited in vain.
my favourite thing ever was dylan o'brien liking all the shade tweets about teen wolf the day the movie got announced about how he is pissing/shitting/vomiting and avoiding the phone from his agent😂😂
I love him 😂
Hey that man has moved on but he did like Ardens tweet when she said no to the movie and he was even willing to take away cut for her to be in it.
This is canon...wow. There's amateur fanfiction writers that have done stories way better than this.
Facts 💯
nah definitely not canon. it’s too incoherent and full of plot holes
@@helenaww welp... Derek and Stiles have a kid now, thats canon.
Silver lining 😏😂
@@jessimarim_m9387 Makes sense why the kid is so white at least then lol
I'm not ashamed to admit - I've read so many beautifully written elaborate plot heavy Teen Wolf fanfics and this level of writing from a professional team is actually embarassing. Like, Jeff, just go find a plot bunny online - it would be a much better premise.
Where can we read those awesome fanfics you are talking about :) ?
As an almost 30yo who was obsessed with this fandom in her teens and early twenties, I still cannot get over how much I ended up hating everything about the show in the end, but still loving the characters as they came to be in the hearts of fans. I was kind of horrified to know that they had a movie in the works and was glad DOB turned it down, and how they canonically killed off Derek. Like ugh. I have Jeff Davis so much still. I'm getting pulled into another whirlpool of nostalgia.
Major kudos to Dylan for sitting through this awful film that I'll NEVER watch, and making an hour long video about how dire it is. We salute you, Friendly Space Ninja! ♥️👍
Unoriginal
i see your comment on most of the youtubers i watch, it makes me feel you have an acquired taste and should seek show recommendations from you since i finished everything im obsessed with ☠️
i forgot dylan was FSN’s name for a second and i thought you meant o’brien and i was like ‘wait he made a video 👀’
@@amydunnediditnow lmao me too
Wait his name is Dylan too I only know the Dylan is in trouble UA-cam page I like that guy he is funny.
I need someone to tell me it wasn't a fever dream when Tyler Hoechlin said "DID YOU SEE YOUR EYES" with his whole chest
In a scene without mirrors or any reflecting surface
He dead ass asked if his son could SEE HIS OWN EYES
Hey, as stupid as that line is, he delivered it better than some of the other actors who delivered half their lines in this movie, so I'll give it to him. He was just being a proud dad. 😂😂😊
@@struggleskywalker1025 definitely he had a dad moment for sure😭
So many issues involving Davis' own lore from the show.
The Malia having a stronger scent made sense when she was first turned human because it was explained as, "Because I was an animal for so long, some of the effects still lingered." But 15 years later would have no reason to have her sniff the nemeton out.
The nemeton wouldn't have been able to be sniffed out anyway? The whole point of this mystical tree was that if could not be found unless it wanted, but Allison, Scott, and Stiles were a bit different due to the sacrifice they made.
Chris Argent's behavior was really weird but then was explained by the firefly, but even that doesn't make sense. The noguistune possessed people and when he did, everyone knew it because of the spirits cocky attitude. We have never seen firefly's used as anything else other than to show either the oni or the nogistune, so this weird "The firefly is manipulating him," thing is so weird.
They laid waste to so many characters but I am most mad about how they treated Peter Hale. This man was the OG villian but he came around with a redemtion arc centered around his daughter and how he actually loves his family. He got the redemption but still remianed a morally grey and snarky character. But he didn't even seem to care about Malia or Derek? In the show, his later seasons were about how he cared for Malia and about how he wanted to protect her, but we got none of that.
Final thing (for now),
There should be no way in hell that the nogistune is both a wolf and a fox. That was such a vital point in the show. That's what led to the defeat of the nogistune. They spent episodes trying to figure out how to defeat it somehow and it defenitly worked. Him living isn't because he was a wolf as well, it's because he's this unkillable spirit that has one weakness, and suddenly that doesn't exist anymore?
This plot line would've been fine if it was a season I feel like. If they filled in the plot holes and gave more development to the characters and the story line I would've really liked it even without Stiles. But they rushed it instead of trying to make something that's quality.
I died laughing when Allison said "scott who?" and then paulie popped up 💀💀
Years later and its still teen wolf. It should be Adult wolf by now fr
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Haha, unfortunately that’s the folly of needing to callback to the series.
That‘s what I,thought when the movie got no proper name lol
Well since they hinted at Eli being the protagonist, i guess he's going to be the 'Teen Wolf' even though the plot forgot about that Alec guy from the finale episode...
You can't do the nogitsune without Kira or stiles as one of the main characters in the plot. The nogitsune was closely tied to kira's family, and it was so terrifying in large part due to Dylan O'Brian acting. You can't try and recreate the magic of 3B without the two nao l key characters/actors responsible for it. I knew the movie was going to be bad when I learned we were getting the nogitsune without style stiles and kira
41:25 I feel like it would've made more sense if Stiles was the big bad villain who released the Nogitusne because they have like a connection or something, with that being said, I'm glad Dylan O'Brien isn't in this awful movie because he deserves better even if he would've made it more enjoyable.
Also, Allison being with Scott when she's mentally 17 and he's in his 30s is inappropriate and should be illegal but her being a mother-figure to Ellie when she's only mentally 2 years older than him is just plain stupid just like the rest of the movie
Scott: Hasn't seen Eli since he was 3, told Derek his family deserved to get killed (also Eli's family), frequently on the Argent's side over Derek's.
Allison: Attacked Erica and Boyd for simply being associated with Derek and died not trusting Derek. Is an Argent
These 2 are now Eli's parents over I don't know, his aunt (Cora) or some other relative/adult figure.
@@Markus2E5I6 Yeah, this movie should've stayed in the drafts
I know that everyone was really mad about how Arden was treated, and we should. But I feel no one talks about Danny's actor Keahu ? And how he was basically "ghosted" and never told anything? I would've loved to see Danny have a chance to revamp his character
The funniest thing was that teen wolf ended 5 years ago, BUT in the movie they said that 15 years have passed because the actors were 26 year olds playing 16 and now they decided to finally make them act their age.
Technically it ended 2013 because they only showed 3 years of their high school lives in 6 seasons.
@@tolunimi2804 And then we think about the fact that Eli is 15 yo. So technically, Derek-whatever-girlfriend was already pregnant during season 6. Sure............
@@Stealaire Eli has no hint of Braeden in him 💀😂. I like the idea of his character but it wasn't necessary. Hikari too. If they wanted Derek to have a child, they should've included that in the series.
People love to point this out like it’s unusual. Acting is a job. Most trained actors graduate school (college/conservatory) in their early to mid twenties and then start professional careers. While there is a small pool of teen actors most of them are not as well trained as young adults and, more importantly, can not work full time hours because they are CHILD actors. And therefore fall under child labor laws. Unlike young adults. So the biggest pool of ‘young actors’ who have actually graduated college and/or gone to an acting conservatory and are in casting calls are in there mid to late twenties. Using people in their twenties to play teenagers actually makes sense. Most people have reached their adult height at or around 16 years old. And you just have more options to audition through general casting agencies if you look within their young adult pool for high school characters. Also,no one plays their ‘real age’ every actor is cast based on an ‘age range’ as opposed to actual age.
First of all, the entire show only took place in a few years and there was only a timejump at the end of season 6. The movie also takes place in the future for us. Eli was born around season 5.
what annoys me the most is that IT WOULD BE EASY TO MAKE EVERY MISTAKE THIS MOVIE HAS RIGHT, but they didn't even TRY
Literally, like??! At least have a script ready, that's the least you could do
I think they try really hard to make so many mistakes
@Yellow Lab But the Teen Wolf Show, had also nothing to do with the original Movie, with Micheal J Fox, only few topics and mentions was the same. But the Show, the franchise goes with the Show in a complete different way, than the orginal movie.
That first scene with Parrish and Malia when she grabs his ass was scarring 💀
I didn't know that Teen Wolf was getting a movie, so when I came across the trailer, I legitimately thought it was fan-made. Which might be an insult to fan-made trailers.
THEY TURNED THE NOGITSUNE INTO A EVIL MEAN GIRL 😭😭😭😭
😂😂🤣😂
I refuse to believe this is the same creature from 3B
Parish and malia's relationship came out of nowhere. It was so weird to me
WHY DOES PARRISH EXISSTTTT??!!! oh my god, I’ve never disliked a character more 😭😭
I'm just relieved they didn't have him hook up with Lydia.
@@breannat6125 He used to be my favorite. Then he had that weird/vague thing with Lydia, which the writers probably chickened out of because of the Stydia fans. Why couldn't they keep him as a sort of older brother figure to the pack 🥲 I hate seeing him now.
I only watched the movie bc I really really shipped Lydia and Parrish back in the day, well the movie... cringe over the scale.
@@thefinalnugget or cuz the character was still in high school
Stiles dying would have sucked, but if the reason he wasn’t in the movie was because he DID die in that vision that Lydia had would have 1) an interesting reason why he doesn’t come back, 2) be an explanation as why Lydia hasn’t used her powers in so long since she could have been feeling so guilty that she decided to refuse away from any chance to have her power because she felt it was a betrayal to use the ability that she could have used to save him, and 3) would’ve given Lydia SOMETHING since the movie could also have that side-plot of her grieving and getting over that loss and learning to use her powers again, giving her a proper arc in the movie. Wouldn’t have saved the movie at all, but it’d be at least somewhat more interesting.
Kudos to Dylan. I'm never gonna watch this movie because I don't want it to ruin my image of the franchise, but you did and I salute you for your sacrifice
It’s a much better finale than season 6
@@BunchyPanther42 nothing can be as bad as the season 6 finale, I hate it so much
@@Luna_Sloth fr. I low key don’t blame Jeff Davis for ignoring Monroe and the last finale because I feel like a lot of people were trying too as well
@@Luna_Sloth teen wolf was done after season 5
My brother was telling me about this movie thinking I was gonna watch it. I said, "The worse thing they can do is bring Allison back to life." My brother stared at me before yelling at the top of his lungs, "THAT'S WHAT THEY DID!!!" And just like that, I lost the interest I never had.
"The script was being written in the middle of production." A friend of mine worked on the film. She wore many hats because thats honestly a thing in film. But she complained to me how the script constantly changed and there were constant edits. She was one of the script reviewerrs for grammar and things like that and also working on the ground with the rest of the crew mostly. She hated looking at the script because it was always different lol.
Can we talk about the fact that Allison was about the same age as Eli when she dies and now that she's back and they didn't introduce any concept that she aged in limbo she's basically a teenager in love with a thirty something year old and now has an adopted son her own age? 🤡🤡
i am NOT watching this movie. but i am watching this video
Seconded, I refuse to ever watch this film, but I'll drop everything to hear and watch Dylan gloriously rant for an hour.
Lol me too
Yeah I've suffered enough.
Fun fact Malia and Parrish only happened because the actors at separate times when asked by Jeff what they wanted for the movie was to be naked, so Jeff really said “Let’s knock out two birds with one stone”
That has to be the dumbest reason to set two people who have never talked to one another together
At least the actors got what they wanted 😅
I'm so confused by this tidbit... it feels like a joke lol
@@sweetytweety1671 I wish this was fake but Shelley Henning, the actress who plays Malia confirmed it 😂
@@machodgdon I need explanations. Why did they want to be naked? I get actors being willing to do a nude scene, but WANTING one?
the nogitsune jar is such a massive plot hole for me that really shows the low level of effort put into this movie. it was explicitly stated at the end of s3/start of s4 that isaac left the show to go to france, probably to get away from beacon hills in the wake of allison's death, BUT also to get rid of said jar. THAT WAS HIS WHOLE EXCUSE FOR LEAVING. if they truly wanted to make this storyline plausible then they would have brought daniel sharman back - isaac was a fan favourite and it would be at least somewhat of a consolation given that many other favourites (stiles, kira, theo, etc.) were not present in the movie.
Couple things I needed to rant somewhere:
-It's infuriating because they could've easily fixed plot holes with very small changes. Instead of saying "a ritual of some kind", say "a darach ritual to contact someone in bardo". 3 more words, not perfect becase where would Argent have learned of it? Who knows, but it gives enough info that most people won't question it.
-They got their own lore wrong. Jackson turned into a werewolf at the end of season 2 but they talk about him like he's still a lizard man and he never actually transforms. Why is he here? At least doubel check the plot twists of the show
-Speaking of Jackson, he's in an ill-fitting baggy suit the entire show. Did the actor loose muscle definition and they wanted to keep the horny Jackson fans unaware of this? If so, than the wardrobe team can do better than a Trump-esque baggy suit
I think Jackson is there to be the Stiles of the movie. Like solving a puzzle, not taking part in a fight and being able to figure out how to use magic stuff is all very Stiles of him. If Dylan O'Brien had agreed to be in the movie he'd probably have gotten more of an arc but those would have been the important things Stiles would have contributed.
Also did Allison get a manicure in the afterlife? Because it looks like she got her nails done and it's either team Scott, the nemeton or from the afterlife. I'm not sure which makes most sense...
And lip fillers? Or maybe she's just grown
@@upsetstudios1819 or maybe that is just crystal lol
When she died she has he nails done and they were red so when she revived she had her nails still done lol
Yeah I was so confused he was clearly being used to replace Stiles but in a very poorly executed way
He was even trying to act like how Dylan plays Stiles in the puzzle scene! A little clumsy, all limbs, you figure out things on the floor if you have to, etc...
Should’ve used the woman from the last season as the person trying to awaken the nogitsune as a way to kill the supernatural people of beacon hills. Sort of like a deal with the devil type of situation with him betraying her (because he’s a trickster) and her teaming up with the pack to take him down. In the process of them working together she realizes they’re decent people just trying to do the right thing and the movie ends with a new level of empathy between the supernatural and her followers. I’m not a writer but I feel like something like that would be way more true to the show
exactly!!!!!
Or the chem teacher dude could’ve been working with her since they are both victims of supernatural creators that tie back to Scott and friends!
@@astoldbynickgerr the more I think about the more I mourn the wasted potential. I imagine a scene of her trying to dig up dirt on Scott and her hearing stories of the things he did during the show. This movie could’ve been a celebration of Scott’s legacy as a legend among werewolves. The show made a point to have outside characters remark on his reputation it would’ve been perfect
that sounds logical and makes way more sense then Adrian Harris ( nobody's fav character) some how being alive and wanting revenge on Scott and his pack
@@shawnstewart6148 Jeff Davis thinks making random characters that nobody cares about the twist villains is good writing. Dude does it in every single season and you see it coming a mile away lol
I'm convinced that Scott begging to be shot was improvisation 😂 like "just shoot me, I want to go home now"
Well, I was huge fan of Allison. And was very disappointed that she died. And desperately wished they hadn't done it in the first place and/or would bring her back.
I guess I got what I wished for.
Now I just wish I hadn't.
you can tell most of the actors agreed to be in this because of lack of acting jobs
The irony is that Crystal Reed had her character killed so that she could move on and work on establishing her movie career and that never happened.
Tyler Hoeclin superman and Louis is doing pretty well, and people love him, he came back for movie bro
@@ns8671They said MOST. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills, bro.
Hearing how this movie ended up just pains me so much. Teen Wolf caused me to have a entire friendship start in middle school. I'd spend a entire class just talking about it and hoping the story was continued. And seeing that this...this happened pains me.
watch the movie first lol
@@PushingPiston536 commenting under every critiquing comment. SMH.
duuuude! same!! me and my friends bonded over TW and have an extra special connection because of that show.
Its how I met my now husband!
While I understand why they chose the nogitsune to be the villain that comes back, if Arden and Dylan weren't going to be in the movie, they should have come up with a different plot. The thing that makes the nogitsune so scary is how it possesses the character that quite literally hold that show together, Stiles, in such a powerful and painful way. Not to mention the fact that introducing Kira's character directly links her to this villain and they couldn't be bothered to pay her well for playing such an integral part in the best season of the whole show. The only thing that got me through this movie is the nostalgia, but honestly, if anyone who hasn't seen it wants to feel that, just watch the show again lol.
Scott now has two children he have to take care. teenage Eli and Allison.
🤣🤣🤣
i'm still baffled by the fact that liam and mason never have a single scene together, you're telling me liam moved to japan and mason stayed in beacon hills, and they did not have a reunion? okay jeff
Also what happened to Liam’s gf?? Didn’t she become Scott’s beta too or am I remembering it wrong?????? 😅😅
@@kireikay yeah but that was explained, after 6a, they said she left beacon hills to protect her sister, she wasn't even in 6b. at that point i was shipping liam with the so i did not care lmao
1 hour got cut sadly
@@YouTwooOoohams honestly i wouldve taken it, im okay with the teen wolf movie being 3 hours long lmao
Was hoping for a return of Isaac, because he's my favorite character and his exit was so sad. Now I'm glad he escaped the character crucifixion.
The writers clearly don't understand what the fans want. We want to see these characters connecting together again after all these years! I would rather have something like the Arthur finale, where it's just cathartic and ties things up.
Ikr also was wishing for theo but watchimg this am not even goone try to watch the movie lmaao😭😭
Nobody deserved a happy ending more than Derek.
AND ANOTHER THING, you’re trying to tell me that Stiles Stilinski wouldn’t show up for DEREK’s funeral?!?!?!
The writers admitted they only made the movie to bring Allison back but had no idea how they were going to do it yet. They just planned to 'figure it out somehow'. That was the entire motivation for the movie. So I wasn't surprised when it was a huge mess. As for a lot of the bigger plot things like Eli's mom and what happened with Malia and Perish, they've said it'll be addressed if they get more movies, which they're looking at doing. Which probably means even they don't know.
The main problem the movie had was that there was no script. Crytal Reed (Allison) has come out and said that some scene were completely off the cuff as they has no lines or directives to go off of.
Malia had no character growth in this movie. If they had brought back Stiles I wouldn't be surprise if he had no development in this movie either. They would have left him as Scott sidekick. Lets face it Stiles had the most potential of coming into his own and surpassing Scott.
I literally lost all the hype I had for it when I found out the entire story line was about the Nogitsune and the Oni WITHOUT Stiles and Kira.
Sterek fans: *ANGUISHED SCREAMING*
Destiel fans: "First time?"
At least destiel fans got somewhat of a relief though compared to sterek ones
@@TiredLex but only in spanish lol
The only good thing I will remember of this movie is the dialogue between the Sheriff and Eli about why the jeep is still standing, all the others dialogue of the movie where so cringe and out of place, and then, just like that, at the end, we have a legit moment of characterization of "Derek took care of the jeep bc apparently he still thinks about Stiles even 15 years after so that's what" and end credits.
Okay.
Thank you, movie.
I didn't need the 2h19minutes before that but anyway-
If any movie ever needed a "It was all just a nightmare/dream" moment, this is the one.
one of the major factors with the nogitsune storyline was that it made Stiles not know dream from reality. so yeah. that would be great lol
@@lintofleigh honestly yesss
This might just be teen wolfs version of that avatar movie that doesn’t exist
It's like they tried to give Styles personality to derek's son since dylan Obrien wasn't in the movie but they just did an awful job.