It's truly shocking that an open ISA specification released barely more than a decade ago is running a working *desktop*. Stunning, considering how long it takes many open source software projects to spin up to critical mass. I also just got one of these boards and demoed it at work, where we make extensive use of embedded computers, from simple 8-bit chips to more powerful ARM hardware. My boss has been evaluating RISC-V as an option considering ARM's recent pricing...shenanigans.
Fortunately nearly everything for a desktop is written in fairly plain C. Portability of C may not be great but it is good. With care, I have been able to write stuff that works exactly the same on 32 bit and 64 bit machines.
Consider that the Linux kernel runs on over two dozen major processor architectures, which is close to one for every year it has been in existence. And you can get full Linux-based development/deployment stacks on all those architectures. Open Source software finds it much easier to port to new architectures than proprietary software does. Consider, for comparison, that Microsoft has been struggling for over a decade to try to get Windows running in a useful fashion on ARM, and the odds of having Windows on RISC-V are essentially zero.
I am not at all surprised that the Linux community are on top of the game though, it's a very exciting platform with so many possibilities for being FOSH! I am always wondering how many cores, caches, memory, GPU and other options/configurations computer architects will come up with on the platform for having the freedom to go nuts with it only restricted by their ingenuity, and sadly their budget! I want 256 cores, 512 threads, gigs of cache and TB's of memory!😜
In my opinion, it is up to the hardware manufacturers to upstream their drivers. Throwing boards out there and hoping that someone else will fix the software isn't the way forward.
The idea to START developing the RISC-V ISA, from nothing, was barely more than a decade ago. The first publication of essentially the current user-mode base ISA was in 2015, 7-8 years ago, but the system-level ISA was quite different back then, and the full base ISA -- User and Privileged (as needed for a Linux kernel) -- was formally ratified in July 2019, less than four years ago.
When I think back to the PC I had when I started university many moons ago.... p120, 16mb ram, 1gb HD. This little board is lightyears ahead, and probably costs less than my mouse back then. Interesting times. If only food were cheaper!
120 MHz and 16 MB RAM!! Sheer luxury. I started on 1 MHz 6502 with 16 *kilo* bytes of RAM. Well, ok 32k actually. And given the Pentium can run 1-2 32 bit instructions per clock cycle while the 6502 takes on average about 4 clock cycles per 8 bit instruction that's more like 1000:1 ratio in speed as well as RAM.
Just received my two Mangoes. The RISC-V and ARM versions. Cannot wait to tinker with them and see what they can do. My strange brain noticed that the RPI Zero finished the GIMP test in Pi time 3:14. 😜 Be well my friend! Until next Sunday.... Cheers!
Hello Mr. Barnatt. Every Sunday when I'm sweeping and tidying up my house, upon hearing the music from the Explained Computers channel jingle, my daughter and I start dancing.... All the best to you!
LOL "If you were interested in inspecting every frame in a video then this would be perfect" I immediately started humming to myself, Monty Python's "always look on the bright side of life". Good on you Gary keep up the awesome work I luv your channel.
We're used to computers that instantly run our programs and have quick video. But this is actually better than the computers many of us older folks got started on. Besides, this is not designed to be a desktop system. It will do fine for its intended purpose. Great video.
I'd actually argue that we older folks who remember well slow booting computers from years ago are now more than likely to have the patience to not worry too much about that now with some of these smaller SBCs - at home, for example, I am still using a Thinkpad T22 from around 2002 and a 700 MHz Pentium III CPU with 512 MB RAM just because I can. It runs a very "slim" and optimised version of Gentoo Linux, it has an i3 tiling window manager and at least a couple of times a month I sit in my workshop using it to do some shell scripting while SSH-ed into my home server with mutt email open in a second desktop and a music player on a third desktop. It has a great keyboard and it takes me back to the glorious days of distraction-free computing that I used to enjoy. The first computer that I used to connect to the Internet was a Commodore Amiga A1200 running at 14 MHz with around 8MB RAM over a dial-up modem and running the "iBrowse" web browser - and it was still utterly fascinating back then too. With the rise of Linux and Open Source, and now hardware becoming more and more open, this an an amazing time to be into computing.
@@KameraShy You can laugh, but I was involved, this century, in the implementation of a great big new records system; as a user, I kept on asking about how it could be customised for our needs. Eventually one of the poor sods who had to interface between vaporware and the user base said "You can change anything as long as it doesn't touch the Cobol."
My first computer was the utterly magnificent (in it's day) Dragon 32. Seeing such tiny little devices with almost infinitely better capabilities never fails to amaze me.
Dragon 32 was my second computer after the Vic-20. I think this was in 1983. I still own it to this day and it still works and I can play Chuckie Egg on it, among other games!!
Very impressive! I'm still trying to wrap my head around RISC-V in its entirety, but I finally "pulled the trigger" and made a purchase for this exact board a couple of days ago. Hopefully, I can get in and figure it out better as I'd really like to contribute to the overall development due to its free and open nature.
I used to store my homework on cassette audio tapes- to me, that seems like not long ago. Now for not much more than the price of a pack of tapes is the entire computer with immensely more capability, in a package smaller than half an audio cassette. Amazing to me.
Interesting little RISC-V single board computer. I found the comparison with the Raspberry Pi Zero W fun. Looking forward to your next video on this little board!
I love your work, Chris. You have the right attitude, foresight, perspective and knowledge to make these videos a cut above the rest. I will see you again.. verrry soon.
Thanks for another comprehensive review Chris, showing that risc5 evolution is speeding up. This can only be positive as the development community seem to be fully behind it.
It is really impressive especially for the GIMP filtering test. RISC-V really a goods design for Low-Power and Cost Effective solution for the IC vendor.
They missed an opportunity for a mango color solder mask! The pink is certainly distinctive, though. And the speed isn't terrible. Just wish they were sold at some other reseller.
Another great new sbc Peter great job in this new Mango Pi nice to see new things and great to watch your channel weekly to see new and great exciting videos many thanks again
Greetings from across the pond near Albuquerque, New Mexico. As always, thanks for the doing all the heavy lifting to bring your viewers such great videos and info. Great work! Things that crossed my mind after watching the Mango video, i.e., just thinking out loud to myself here: 1) since Ubuntu has a multi-core RISC-V OS, do we have a multi-core "Lubuntu" RISC-V OS? I have not found anything definitive on the web during a brief search. If so, test Lubuntu on the Mango for possible performance improvements; 2) what are overclocking values, and what are the commands to do this?; 3) since multi-core RISC-V SoC's already exist, how long before these are implemented on the Mango? Shouldn't be too long, I would think. Again, just thinking out loud here, rhetorically. :)
Really good video, I'm happy to see the development of Risc V, I remember studying it on college years ago, I was fascinated to it. So its time to buy mango to try it. Thanks for the video.
Nice tiny device. I hope the royalty-free open-source license of RISC-V will inspire manufacturers furthermore. 11:00 “Inspect every frame”; I love that British humour.
@@stephensu4371 Digilent PYNQ board - with a combined SoC and FPGA chip has been around for a few years and looks fairly pink in the photos 😉 PYNQ by name and Pink by nature, I guess 😊
Nice video as always, I appreciate keeping consistent with general tests of GUI applications, websites and video playback. But I'd be interested in seeing other things too.
Thanks Chris for yet another very informative video. I will dare to predict that by 2025, RISC SOCs will be at the same level of ARM if more companies jump into it... I'd suggest all IT enthusiasts, to buy at least one of the new RISCs boards, to show support to this important technical development. For each of us may be a little sacrifice, but for the developpers will mean difference between further developping the boards or going belly-up...
Geopolitics will give RISC-V a huge boost as some countries will want to their infrastructure free of systems controlled by the West. RISC-V and Linux, basically.
thanks for covering another RISC-V board, it's really cool to see the improvements both in hardware and software over the past few years and i hope we'll get a proper RISC-V based competitor to the raspberry pi. There are already a few attempts but none of them seemed to be quite there yet.
The SPI flash footprint on the underside of the board looks interesting. Also, the pad marked 'TVOUT' on the top could be fun - if it's composite out you could add an old-style RF modulator and have a retro style computer.
You are right -- I missed some tricks here. Adding SPI flash looks like a possibility, and we have composite video output pads as you say, as well as some audio output ones. A great board to tinker with!
What times we live in! Thanks fr the review Chris as always... It never ceases to amaze me of the progress SBCs have achieved, first Arm and now it's onto Risc-V.... it may seem fanciful, but I wonder if there will be a time when we can have a Quantum Single Board Computer? Anyone for a Qubit PI?
You can do it now easily on your own. Just take a Raspi and put it in a box with "SBC inside can be taken away for free" written on it. As long as you do not look, if someone already have taken it, you have a quantum Pi as it is in the box and not in the box at the same time. 🤯 More serious what should be the use case for a quantum SBC?
I got interested in RISC-V since one of your first videos about it. I also have some projects that I wanted to run on a Raspberry Pi, but after watching this video, I went ahead and bought a mango pi from Aliexpress. I can't wait for it to arrive. Thank you for inspiring my curiosity about RISC-V.
It blew Zero out of the water on the filter test, which I recon would be more processor intensive than anything. This looks like the perfect tinkering machine for anyone who wants to experiment with a Risc-V processor. Great video!
Awesome. Because I can install Armbian on the Mago Pi, I ordered one after seeing your review. I don't want to install an obscure OS from a vendor. I was just waiting for an affordable RISC-V SBC I could use with Armbian. Today is the day.
It's been put to inappropriate use! As if you pulled multiple 4k streams in over each USB-C or ran SSD speed tests on them, it's really not provisioned. Mehaps use AwesomeWM (awesome console?) and a console. If you try video use mpv. Don't bloody build kernels in 1 GB. Try to control an rc car to run a course, use speakers and mics to do noise control, or monitor photovoltaics (do inverters just do WiFi 6 as it is? No serial port tosh?) Hew a little. Bit. Towards nothing left to take away.
As more developers get involved, the optimisations for RISC-V and its associated graphics drivers will yield better results. I expect that future revisions of the hardware will also increase performance. These early RISC-V boards are important in starting the process whereby the platform improves over time.
I'm glad to see such a computer. A return to the roots of SBCs, where manufacturers are not trying to add a powerful chip, but simply make an inexpensive board for developing automation devices and all that. I just recently developed one such device. I had to use an SBC because I had to connect peripherals via USB. Otherwise, a simple microcontroller (arduino or simmilar) could be used. //I know about USB host boards for arduino, but they didn't work for me - I do not have skills to implement the necessary protocols to communicate with my peripherals. Linux ons SBCs has built-in drivers that just work. This makes the task several orders of magnitude easier.
There is no "return to any roots" here given that ARM SBCs are doing essentially the same thing as PCs did (and still do) by giving you "more bang for your buck" as silicon technology and manufacturing processes improve - the dollars that paid for, say, a Core 2 Duo CPU some 15 years ago will by you some multi-core Ryzen monstrosity today. And I doubt any Pi 4 owner would welcome a "return" back to an original Pi 1, albeit there are still perfectly good things the Pi 1 can do. This is a "new" platform based on RISC-V as a more open technology than ARM - it is still early days, it does not have the same level of software support as ARM boards do and, sure, it will advance in the same way that Intel and ARM chips have been doing. But as of this moment in time, there is nothing you can do on a RISC-V board that you can't already do on an ARM board - the differences will no doubt emerge later on given that anyone can build any kind of RISC-V platform that they want to without any kind of licensing restrictions. I therefore look forward to where RISC-V goes in the future.
A perfect board for DIY projects that needs to run Full Linux instead of ESP8266/ESP32 with or without RTOS. The price is pretty good, not price/performance but is a beginning. Is nice to see a RISC-V in a RPI ZERO form factor 🥰
I suspect that 64 bit vs 32 bit played a part in the filter test. Based on some looks at the number of instructions to do something I expect that fully optimized C on the RISK-V will be slightly slower than the ARM but not by a huge amount. ARM wins with having condition codes from math instruction to branch based on. RISC-V does have the ability to test registers and jump without needing to do an ALU operation to test.
I've been looking forward to you reviewing this one. I admit, the color was the thing that first attracted me, I'm that superficial. Interesting review, looking forward to more Pi Zero range RISC-V computers.
Another good video Chris, and recently going over my inventory of SBC's from the last ten years since my retirement, and all the projects they were used for, my interest has somewhat cooled for the latest and the greatest in SBC's. The most utility from all of the purchases has been the LattePanda, which are now to expensive for my hobby.
Thank you Chris for another exciting video, looks like there is hope for RISC to catch up, but it will be a challenge. Until next time that's it and God bless.
The name is appetizing, and it looks nice! Perhaps I should invest in a mini PC or SBC one day, although these things are not quite for me, because I like PC's with upgradability, reparability, and processing power, and SBC's are nowhere near as powerful as a desktop, but they are inexpensive, so they look great for basic use case scenarios, and for people wanting cheap computers, that take up such little space on a desk. I do like these, they're just not practical for my needs.
In this video, the good Dr Barnatt looks well chuffed with the little Mango wonder. Judging by what we see here, RISC-V is coming on by leaps and bounds.
"RISC architecture is going to change everything" 1995. Its amazing how fast this actually is, this would not be possible 10 years ago. Has anyone built a dragonfly imagine?
RISC has changed a lot of things -- for example, virtually every smartphones and all Android and iOS tables have a ARM processor that is RISC. RISC-V is just a particular RISC ISA -- RISC and RISC-V are very, very different things.
@@ExplainingComputers Reduced Instruction Set Computer, a trade off is more instructions. In other words many smaller instructions its a misnomer because it might require more code to accomplish the same task on Complex instruction set computer. I remember when running xorg required you to edit your config file, Nvidia barely provided enough binary drivers and linux needed to be recompiled with the appropriate headers. Then MESA was not useful for anything more than glgears. Just having a brand new processor with a stable linux distribution (thanks Allwinner) using all your favorite window manager (mines anyway) running. Heck the browser is displaying the sites correctly.
I am waiting for the software support for the VisionFive 2 to improve -- it should then be able to deliver somewhere between Pi 3 and Pi 4 performance. Hopefully later in 2023. And the forthcoming Sipeed Lichee Pi 4A may also offer Pi 4 performance (software permitting).
It's truly shocking that an open ISA specification released barely more than a decade ago is running a working *desktop*. Stunning, considering how long it takes many open source software projects to spin up to critical mass. I also just got one of these boards and demoed it at work, where we make extensive use of embedded computers, from simple 8-bit chips to more powerful ARM hardware. My boss has been evaluating RISC-V as an option considering ARM's recent pricing...shenanigans.
Fortunately nearly everything for a desktop is written in fairly plain C. Portability of C may not be great but it is good. With care, I have been able to write stuff that works exactly the same on 32 bit and 64 bit machines.
Consider that the Linux kernel runs on over two dozen major processor architectures, which is close to one for every year it has been in existence. And you can get full Linux-based development/deployment stacks on all those architectures. Open Source software finds it much easier to port to new architectures than proprietary software does.
Consider, for comparison, that Microsoft has been struggling for over a decade to try to get Windows running in a useful fashion on ARM, and the odds of having Windows on RISC-V are essentially zero.
I am not at all surprised that the Linux community are on top of the game though, it's a very exciting platform with so many possibilities for being FOSH! I am always wondering how many cores, caches, memory, GPU and other options/configurations computer architects will come up with on the platform for having the freedom to go nuts with it only restricted by their ingenuity, and sadly their budget! I want 256 cores, 512 threads, gigs of cache and TB's of memory!😜
In my opinion, it is up to the hardware manufacturers to upstream their drivers. Throwing boards out there and hoping that someone else will fix the software isn't the way forward.
The idea to START developing the RISC-V ISA, from nothing, was barely more than a decade ago. The first publication of essentially the current user-mode base ISA was in 2015, 7-8 years ago, but the system-level ISA was quite different back then, and the full base ISA -- User and Privileged (as needed for a Linux kernel) -- was formally ratified in July 2019, less than four years ago.
That is actually _very_ impressive.
[edit] The Raspberry Pi board completed the lava filter test in 3:14 because...
Pi.
I had the same comment! Shame it wasn't done on 14th March ... or 31st April ...
@@ridefast0 Or, even better, on the 1st of April...
I bet that's a hard coded Easter egg in the benchmark
That's a true Pi right there
Came here to say exactly this
I love the "Your tiny tiny tiny Card Computer" on the underside of the Pink PCB!
When I think back to the PC I had when I started university many moons ago.... p120, 16mb ram, 1gb HD. This little board is lightyears ahead, and probably costs less than my mouse back then. Interesting times. If only food were cheaper!
I couldn't agree morem-a I remember like when a 1 GB hard drive was a big deal. My God I'm getting old. Scary LOL
120 MHz and 16 MB RAM!! Sheer luxury. I started on 1 MHz 6502 with 16 *kilo* bytes of RAM. Well, ok 32k actually. And given the Pentium can run 1-2 32 bit instructions per clock cycle while the 6502 takes on average about 4 clock cycles per 8 bit instruction that's more like 1000:1 ratio in speed as well as RAM.
I think the mango pi did really well against the raspberry pi, it looks like Risk v is coming along steady.
Great video Chris as usual.
Thank you
Just received my two Mangoes. The RISC-V and ARM versions. Cannot wait to tinker with them and see what they can do. My strange brain noticed that the RPI Zero finished the GIMP test in Pi time 3:14. 😜 Be well my friend! Until next Sunday.... Cheers!
I missed the 3.14 significance . . . spooky! :)
Hello Mr. Barnatt. Every Sunday when I'm sweeping and tidying up my house, upon hearing the music from the Explained Computers channel jingle, my daughter and I start dancing....
All the best to you!
Great to hear that you dance! :)
LOL "If you were interested in inspecting every frame in a video then this would be perfect" I immediately started humming to myself, Monty Python's "always look on the bright side of life". Good on you Gary keep up the awesome work I luv your channel.
We're used to computers that instantly run our programs and have quick video. But this is actually better than the computers many of us older folks got started on. Besides, this is not designed to be a desktop system. It will do fine for its intended purpose. Great video.
I'd actually argue that we older folks who remember well slow booting computers from years ago are now more than likely to have the patience to not worry too much about that now with some of these smaller SBCs - at home, for example, I am still using a Thinkpad T22 from around 2002 and a 700 MHz Pentium III CPU with 512 MB RAM just because I can.
It runs a very "slim" and optimised version of Gentoo Linux, it has an i3 tiling window manager and at least a couple of times a month I sit in my workshop using it to do some shell scripting while SSH-ed into my home server with mutt email open in a second desktop and a music player on a third desktop. It has a great keyboard and it takes me back to the glorious days of distraction-free computing that I used to enjoy.
The first computer that I used to connect to the Internet was a Commodore Amiga A1200 running at 14 MHz with around 8MB RAM over a dial-up modem and running the "iBrowse" web browser - and it was still utterly fascinating back then too.
With the rise of Linux and Open Source, and now hardware becoming more and more open, this an an amazing time to be into computing.
and what is its purpose?
Like will it run Fortran?
@@KameraShy You can laugh, but I was involved, this century, in the implementation of a great big new records system; as a user, I kept on asking about how it could be customised for our needs. Eventually one of the poor sods who had to interface between vaporware and the user base said "You can change anything as long as it doesn't touch the Cobol."
What is its intended use then? 😅🎉
Thanks!
Thanks for your support. :)
RISC-V on the road to success !
RISC-V en route pour le succès !
I love it when you are so genuinely excited about new developments Chris, it's positively contagious. Thank you. 👍
My first computer was the utterly magnificent (in it's day) Dragon 32. Seeing such tiny little devices with almost infinitely better capabilities never fails to amaze me.
My mate had a Dragon 32. It was very... green.
Dragon 32 was my second computer after the Vic-20. I think this was in 1983. I still own it to this day and it still works and I can play Chuckie Egg on it, among other games!!
Very impressive! I'm still trying to wrap my head around RISC-V in its entirety, but I finally "pulled the trigger" and made a purchase for this exact board a couple of days ago.
Hopefully, I can get in and figure it out better as I'd really like to contribute to the overall development due to its free and open nature.
Welcome to the RISC-V party!
I used to store my homework on cassette audio tapes- to me, that seems like not long ago. Now for not much more than the price of a pack of tapes is the entire computer with immensely more capability, in a package smaller than half an audio cassette. Amazing to me.
Interesting little RISC-V single board computer. I found the comparison with the Raspberry Pi Zero W fun. Looking forward to your next video on this little board!
Greetings Perry.
@@ExplainingComputers It is always wonderful to be greeted by you!
RISC-V is really coming along nicely!
Greetings Chris. :)
yay a video from Chris!
Every Sunday! :)
Great video Chris, hop[e your keeping safe and well. Thanks for sharing.
Greetings Brian. :)
I love your work, Chris. You have the right attitude, foresight, perspective and knowledge to make these videos a cut above the rest. I will see you again.. verrry soon.
:)
Thanks for another comprehensive review Chris, showing that risc5 evolution is speeding up. This can only be positive as the development community seem to be fully behind it.
Another excellent RISC-V video! Thanks for covering this!
Whenever I come across your videos, it's always a joy to watch. Thank you! I also love your enthusiasm.
Add to CART NOW!!! You are the best my friend.
It is really impressive especially for the GIMP filtering test. RISC-V really a goods design for Low-Power and Cost Effective solution for the IC vendor.
I cannot wait for you to get to 1m subs! Great job and keep up the good work!
Thanks. :)
It’s a great day when he uploads
Risc ........... this brings me back to the AMIGA TRANSPUTER PROJECT how glorious it was in its days. Who doesn't remember the T800!?!?!
Timely! My 3 mango pis just showed up in the mail yesterday.
They missed an opportunity for a mango color solder mask! The pink is certainly distinctive, though. And the speed isn't terrible.
Just wish they were sold at some other reseller.
Greetings Jeff. :)
I thought exactly that; never seen a pink Mango!
Ameridroid sells them
I love Sunday morning conversations with my two favorite reviewers.
Waking up to a new Explaining Computers episode every Sunday is always a wonderful occasion.
About time they made a SBC in Big Clives colour. Nice to see a different colour for a change, even if it is pink.
Armbian has come a long way in the last year or two, it works really well on my Devterm A06 with XFCE desktop.
Were you able to use Bluetooth on the MQ-PRO?, i not 😞
Another great new sbc Peter great job in this new Mango Pi nice to see new things and great to watch your channel weekly to see new and great exciting videos many thanks again
that barnet always gets me
Greetings from across the pond near Albuquerque, New Mexico. As always, thanks for the doing all the heavy lifting to bring your viewers such great videos and info. Great work!
Things that crossed my mind after watching the Mango video, i.e., just thinking out loud to myself here: 1) since Ubuntu has a multi-core RISC-V OS, do we have a multi-core "Lubuntu" RISC-V OS? I have not found anything definitive on the web during a brief search. If so, test Lubuntu on the Mango for possible performance improvements; 2) what are overclocking values, and what are the commands to do this?; 3) since multi-core RISC-V SoC's already exist, how long before these are implemented on the Mango? Shouldn't be too long, I would think.
Again, just thinking out loud here, rhetorically. :)
Thanks for your support, much appreciated. I've yet to come across Lubuntu for RISC-V, but it is clearly a future possibility.
Really good video, I'm happy to see the development of Risc V, I remember studying it on college years ago, I was fascinated to it. So its time to buy mango to try it. Thanks for the video.
Nice tiny device. I hope the royalty-free open-source license of RISC-V will inspire manufacturers furthermore.
11:00 “Inspect every frame”; I love that British humour.
I really appreciate your videos. This channel is one of the main ways I find out about this kind of stuff and I learn a lot. Keep it up!
Absolutely beautiful little machine ❤ always stunning to see what these little folks are capable of 💪🙏
best channel on this hellsite.i love you.
"Your tiny tiny tiny computer"
Love it. BTW, the pink stuff is solder mask. I've never seen pink either - blue, black, green... sure! But PINK!?!
yes, as my memory is correct, mangopi is the only sbc manufacturer that use pink mask😂
@@stephensu4371 Digilent PYNQ board - with a combined SoC and FPGA chip has been around for a few years and looks fairly pink in the photos 😉 PYNQ by name and Pink by nature, I guess 😊
Nice video as always, I appreciate keeping consistent with general tests of GUI applications, websites and video playback. But I'd be interested in seeing other things too.
Thanks Chris for yet another very informative video. I will dare to predict that by 2025, RISC SOCs will be at the same level of ARM if more companies jump into it... I'd suggest all IT enthusiasts, to buy at least one of the new RISCs boards, to show support to this important technical development. For each of us may be a little sacrifice, but for the developpers will mean difference between further developping the boards or going belly-up...
Geopolitics will give RISC-V a huge boost as some countries will want to their infrastructure free of systems controlled by the West. RISC-V and Linux, basically.
@@sylviam6535 Let's hope so...
Seeing as this is _one_ core on an ISA that's barely old enough for middle school, this is really impressive.
Nice to see this. Finally a decent RPI competitor.
I ❤ when a new video drops from this channel. Such a good content creator! Love the stuff!!! More plzzzz
I was looking forward for a review of this SBC, thank you!
thanks for covering another RISC-V board, it's really cool to see the improvements both in hardware and software over the past few years and i hope we'll get a proper RISC-V based competitor to the raspberry pi. There are already a few attempts but none of them seemed to be quite there yet.
Chris, another great video. Your RISC'ed everything to show us this marvelous little SBC(actually just a few pounds!)
:)
It's taken 30 years (and some hair loss on Johnny) , but seems to have finally arrived ua-cam.com/video/wPrUmViN_5c/v-deo.html
Your enthusiasm at how it exceeds your expectations is infectious. Thank you for all your work, good sir.
The SPI flash footprint on the underside of the board looks interesting. Also, the pad marked 'TVOUT' on the top could be fun - if it's composite out you could add an old-style RF modulator and have a retro style computer.
You are right -- I missed some tricks here. Adding SPI flash looks like a possibility, and we have composite video output pads as you say, as well as some audio output ones. A great board to tinker with!
I also see that.
What times we live in! Thanks fr the review Chris as always...
It never ceases to amaze me of the progress SBCs have achieved, first Arm and now it's onto Risc-V.... it may seem fanciful, but I wonder if there will be a time when we can have a Quantum Single Board Computer? Anyone for a Qubit PI?
You can do it now easily on your own. Just take a Raspi and put it in a box with "SBC inside can be taken away for free" written on it.
As long as you do not look, if someone already have taken it, you have a quantum Pi as it is in the box and not in the box at the same time. 🤯
More serious what should be the use case for a quantum SBC?
This is an excellent result.
I'm astonished at the variety of Pi flavours available now. Maybe you could do a summary video ranking your favourite Pi's.
I would like this too. Has he done a favorite SBC video? I guess that's sort of subjective.
Many thanks, Chris! Informative and entertaining as always. Looking forward to hearing what kind of project you have in mind for the Mango Pi.
I got interested in RISC-V since one of your first videos about it. I also have some projects that I wanted to run on a Raspberry Pi, but after watching this video, I went ahead and bought a mango pi from Aliexpress. I can't wait for it to arrive. Thank you for inspiring my curiosity about RISC-V.
Fantastic. I may have to check it out in a few weeks. Thank you for the video. Cheers!
That Lava test really shows me that if I intend to do a project with one of these boards, that I should choose carefully based on the application!
Very interested in this. So glad this video showed up in my feed
Interesting as always, Thanks Chris.
It blew Zero out of the water on the filter test, which I recon would be more processor intensive than anything. This looks like the perfect tinkering machine for anyone who wants to experiment with a Risc-V processor. Great video!
Promising developments in the RISC-V field. I look forward to more of it.
Awesome. Because I can install Armbian on the Mago Pi, I ordered one after seeing your review. I don't want to install an obscure OS from a vendor. I was just waiting for an affordable RISC-V SBC I could use with Armbian. Today is the day.
Great to hear! "An affordable RISC-V SBC to use with Armbian" is a great way to describe this board. Good luck with it.
Great video, as always. The Mango did very well, in my opinion.
It's been put to inappropriate use! As if you pulled multiple 4k streams in over each USB-C or ran SSD speed tests on them, it's really not provisioned.
Mehaps use AwesomeWM (awesome console?) and a console. If you try video use mpv. Don't bloody build kernels in 1 GB. Try to control an rc car to run a course, use speakers and mics to do noise control, or monitor photovoltaics (do inverters just do WiFi 6 as it is? No serial port tosh?) Hew a little. Bit. Towards nothing left to take away.
It's pink, I'm sold.
Thanks for another entertaining and informative video! I may have to find that desktop background image and snag it for myself. It was beautiful!
Excellent review as always, much appreciated.
That's quite impressive to see! I wonder how it would perform in running Klipper. Would be nice to have a tiny and cheap SBC to use for it again.
I will test that in a few weeks.
I like this tipe of videos - SBC are great! Bih hello from Bosnia!!
Greetings from the UK! :)
As more developers get involved, the optimisations for RISC-V and its associated graphics drivers will yield better results. I expect that future revisions of the hardware will also increase performance. These early RISC-V boards are important in starting the process whereby the platform improves over time.
I am shocked to see your desktop picture and recognize it. That's downtown Nashville! Thanks for another good video.
Ah, I wondered where it was. Looks cool.
Very interesting! Thank you Chris!
Spellbindingly glorious 👍
Thank you.
Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.
I'm glad to see such a computer. A return to the roots of SBCs, where manufacturers are not trying to add a powerful chip, but simply make an inexpensive board for developing automation devices and all that. I just recently developed one such device. I had to use an SBC because I had to connect peripherals via USB. Otherwise, a simple microcontroller (arduino or simmilar) could be used.
//I know about USB host boards for arduino, but they didn't work for me - I do not have skills to implement the necessary protocols to communicate with my peripherals. Linux ons SBCs has built-in drivers that just work. This makes the task several orders of magnitude easier.
Definitelly a middle of the ground board is badly needed. One with wrapped up USB and other capabilities but fast start time.
There is no "return to any roots" here given that ARM SBCs are doing essentially the same thing as PCs did (and still do) by giving you "more bang for your buck" as silicon technology and manufacturing processes improve - the dollars that paid for, say, a Core 2 Duo CPU some 15 years ago will by you some multi-core Ryzen monstrosity today.
And I doubt any Pi 4 owner would welcome a "return" back to an original Pi 1, albeit there are still perfectly good things the Pi 1 can do.
This is a "new" platform based on RISC-V as a more open technology than ARM - it is still early days, it does not have the same level of software support as ARM boards do and, sure, it will advance in the same way that Intel and ARM chips have been doing.
But as of this moment in time, there is nothing you can do on a RISC-V board that you can't already do on an ARM board - the differences will no doubt emerge later on given that anyone can build any kind of RISC-V platform that they want to without any kind of licensing restrictions.
I therefore look forward to where RISC-V goes in the future.
Good show, Chris. That looks like a nice little board. Thank you again.
Ah just in time a new video about a board i find the color special lol have a nice week
A perfect board for DIY projects that needs to run Full Linux instead of ESP8266/ESP32 with or without RTOS.
The price is pretty good, not price/performance but is a beginning.
Is nice to see a RISC-V in a RPI ZERO form factor 🥰
Good to see a genuinely exciting board and at a good price.
The market has felt a bit stale the last couple of years.
Excellent, detailed comparison. Thanks for another great video Chris.
Greetings Steve.
Love these hardware reviews, thank you!
Very impressive performance comparison. Thank you!
Thank you for the video and for explaining the single board cpu
Wow, very interesting to learn about more SBC's using RISC.. Thanks as always Mr. Barnatt!!!
I suspect that 64 bit vs 32 bit played a part in the filter test. Based on some looks at the number of instructions to do something I expect that fully optimized C on the RISK-V will be slightly slower than the ARM but not by a huge amount. ARM wins with having condition codes from math instruction to branch based on. RISC-V does have the ability to test registers and jump without needing to do an ALU operation to test.
I've been looking forward to you reviewing this one. I admit, the color was the thing that first attracted me, I'm that superficial. Interesting review, looking forward to more Pi Zero range RISC-V computers.
Another good video Chris, and recently going over my inventory of SBC's from the last ten years since my retirement, and all the projects they were used for, my interest has somewhat cooled for the latest and the greatest in SBC's. The most utility from all of the purchases has been the LattePanda, which are now to expensive for my hobby.
I will talk about this very topic in a video two weeks from now.
Hello, fellow Christopher, back again....
😯 how beautiful...
Thank you Chris for another exciting video, looks like there is hope for RISC to catch up, but it will be a challenge. Until next time that's it and God bless.
Espectacular video! Un saludo desde Chile!
Great review! I will no wonder if we see LemonPi or even GarlicPi in the near future) Keep going on!
The name is appetizing, and it looks nice! Perhaps I should invest in a mini PC or SBC one day, although these things are not quite for me, because I like PC's with upgradability, reparability, and processing power, and SBC's are nowhere near as powerful as a desktop, but they are inexpensive, so they look great for basic use case scenarios, and for people wanting cheap computers, that take up such little space on a desk. I do like these, they're just not practical for my needs.
In this video, the good Dr Barnatt looks well chuffed with the little Mango wonder. Judging by what we see here, RISC-V is coming on by leaps and bounds.
Always an amazing video ❤
"RISC architecture is going to change everything" 1995. Its amazing how fast this actually is, this would not be possible 10 years ago. Has anyone built a dragonfly imagine?
RISC has changed a lot of things -- for example, virtually every smartphones and all Android and iOS tables have a ARM processor that is RISC. RISC-V is just a particular RISC ISA -- RISC and RISC-V are very, very different things.
@@ExplainingComputers Reduced Instruction Set Computer, a trade off is more instructions. In other words many smaller instructions its a misnomer because it might require more code to accomplish the same task on Complex instruction set computer. I remember when running xorg required you to edit your config file, Nvidia barely provided enough binary drivers and linux needed to be recompiled with the appropriate headers. Then MESA was not useful for anything more than glgears. Just having a brand new processor with a stable linux distribution (thanks Allwinner) using all your favorite window manager (mines anyway) running. Heck the browser is displaying the sites correctly.
Great Job as Always Chris! Would love to see a Risc SBC the same power as a Raspberry Pi 4. Want to see how they would compare!
I am waiting for the software support for the VisionFive 2 to improve -- it should then be able to deliver somewhere between Pi 3 and Pi 4 performance. Hopefully later in 2023. And the forthcoming Sipeed Lichee Pi 4A may also offer Pi 4 performance (software permitting).
Good video! I love these things. I think the RPi Zero format is my favourite. 🙂
As you say, Chris, exciting stuff.
Greetings Susan. :)
awesome stuff!
Another interesting new SBC. Thanks
I like this vídeos about SCB, great vídeo 👍