Actual LOL: "And although I'm proud of the way I've avoided prison, if we carry on like this we'll end up like King Crimson. King Crimson. KING CRIMSON: DO YOU LIKE THEM?"
King Crimson had Adrian Belew on guitar and Bill Bruford on drums around that time. I saw them in Guildford CivicHall in 82. They were fucking fantastic. I love the Fall & Mark E Smith and I so wish he was still with us. This is Thee Essence of The Fall
@@andrina118 Indeed! I had in mind the Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross/Muir line up. That's probably my favourite. And I imagined Smith attacking them from an anti-prog position. But maybe he's attacking the 80s KC trio from an anti-New Wave position!
... I do not! As a council estate kid in the 70s I saw that bloody album cover, heard them and knew something was wrong ... until the trials of the witches that was ... but if you like K. Crimson and others then of course that's fine isn't it
Not heard this one before That's one of the joys of loving the Fall: There's *always* more new old stuff to find! 40 years of NEW albums *no golden oldies* and 40 years of live experimentations - what other group has done this?
The Buttholes and Lee Scratch Perry? While Mark is focal point we should appreciate all the contributers to The Fall ,they would agree the biggest contributes were the minority faithfull audience......as in 50,000 Fall fans can't be wrong........The way he takes the piss out of King Crimson etc biggest simple purest laughs going. As Bernard Manning the controversial but now underground comedian said....' I don't discrimate,I ll tell jokes about anyone. What I feel is really underated is their massive visual legacy...Streets of Salford immortalised with super eight.well before the days of MTV and t internet.
@@JJONNYREPP yeah I get it but the simple banality of a non song is cool . Court of the and the rest is great ..joy Division yeah..I get it . the stripped bareness of the track is cool.....and musical monotime/ tone... Many of us take it as a good post hippy dump.....expectations like the next Floyd album or the series of moody blues etc....getting let down by our fave bands new album... unfortunate it's degenerated not by the musicians but expectations of the audience . There's some great music but this track was the ant I music track....the seventies were dead ,wearing a velvet jacket and having a perm and the buzzcocks, , TVOD ,walk the dog n the drones and V 2 were attempts at a non specific new wave when by that time peachesbby the stranglers was not doing it for us. In s way over forty years ago....after Sid killed Nancy springen then himself nothin hit the spot . We wondered if sham 69 would replace it but were quickly minded of the moronic when our gang got battered by kersal lads on the landslide footbridge....while they sang if the kids were united. After that The Fall spread but in lefteild secrecy . It was easier to get in a party full of free drugs n beer in Wilmslow that bump into Mark / fall. When I met him in some scan house in Prestwich I was just tagging along with a class a scorer . Did not recognise him ,thought he was another half jock skinny speed freak. My mate got his drugs and ten minutes later we were off, over the mushroom feild and back to bowler vale. This will sound weird . As an old sound engineer....only till the other year have my ears had the patience to give to wade through the extensive legacy of their work. I have IGNORED the music muso scene since getting involved. After a gig I'd go home and listen to silence. I was a bit pissed off to find that 'what about us: was about Shipman! My mum's old doctor in Dukinfeild.
@@JJONNYREPP one of the the most beautiful things......if I can use such a delicate word for the. Fall ..is how they stayed true to their class and roots.....which is why they never got famous like Maurice the jewb who used Johny Marr . They sprung out of bedsit Land,experimental working class Carlos Castendsd,trying coedine linctus,valium,speed,pot etc to assist the magical journeys. Mark could of easily hit the big time with one single and fcked off to l.a. but stayed in his humble Ness to be s true commited artist...like many condemned to relative obscurity and poverty. Like John Cooper Clarke a bug quality was his normal accent. We could relate to em ,rathet than Shakespeare's coughing. This creative deadland between the hippy die off and totp culture was the musical purgurtory or stasis in which Mark started his shit. He knew about BBC peado's ,masonry ,as in Lucifer over Lancashire well before the net ,this is often ignored. Under his chip eating Manchester drawl was philosophy and high art ,mixed with a brick in his hand should you ever deny the poor to rise. Bury.....great track . Lots of stuff goes underated. The visuals of their stuff ... well before video cameras were available to the plebs is amazing,an historical record from Lightbowne rd to bury new rd. The landslide and old red brick Manchester. Before MTV they were s full performance art. Check out Mr pharmacists for scratchy super eight style. Big visual legacy........smoking pot in sinister Sinister,Heaton park comm tower in the background. The Fall are a flag of incitement to be yourselfs...sing in you normal voice ,write your own local culture......It's how heavens planned it but The Fall are only just taking off. A pisser for Mark but full blown stardom would make him an even techy er test .irratable artist. One of the few left left left behind lefteild complete performance art groups,known only mostly for their music . Never sold knowingly.up their with ballet Rambout and lol coxhill s welfare state,genesis with Peter Gabriel.....a complete peice.
Someone I knew made an avatar in VRChat that was supposed to look like a worm on a string. They would move their hands and make it jig and dance. All the while I would shout "WORM-WORM-WORM-WORM" like Mark E. Smith. "Why did you take that corny stuff I love so much and make it hip?" RIP MES
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and I thought I was the only person on the planet to recognize this! Hanley does not get anywhere near the acclaim he deserves. The man was a beast, played bass like it was lead and NEVER, never missed
amazing! the artwork is presumably a poster for the gig, made by a fan? I really think that 'De Stijl' and MES's weird kind of Expressionism is a pretty jarring combination... and while I'm at it, I don't like the colours. and tbh i hate de stijl, the dutch
The artwork was my thing back in the day, if you check out my channel you'll find a bunch of live performances by the FALL with my "covers" for the shows.
Don't know about the artwork,one of his sister's painted and some famous painters did some covers for free. I do think the artwork and videos of the fall are very undervalued . A sort of anti album theme ,a rejection if the hippy concept albums with rich trippy artwork ,like Yes etc. Collaged scraps litter lots of their album art.
Hanley’s bass lines are so fucking good
Yet another Gem from the Master of the Universe
He is, isn't he?
Expectation is the root of all heartache
Comparison is the thief of joy
My fave band....... kept it real eternally rejecting the cash Rare ..
Definetly him at his early best. So many great live recordings. Been listening for years but yet only scratching the surface...
One of my absolute favorite Fall recordings. This is Mark E. at his beat poet best
Actual LOL: "And although I'm proud of the way I've avoided prison, if we carry on like this we'll end up like King Crimson. King Crimson. KING CRIMSON: DO YOU LIKE THEM?"
King Crimson had Adrian Belew on guitar and Bill Bruford on drums around that time. I saw them in Guildford CivicHall in 82. They were fucking fantastic.
I love the Fall & Mark E Smith and I so wish he was still with us.
This is Thee Essence of The Fall
@@andrina118 Indeed! I had in mind the Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross/Muir line up. That's probably my favourite. And I imagined Smith attacking them from an anti-prog position. But maybe he's attacking the 80s KC trio from an anti-New Wave position!
@@andrina118 Makes me wonder what he made of those last few post-punk Beefheart albums too...
@@PollisDrake I think some of his lyrics arise unbidden from his mind and he has to play them as they are dealt. That's his genius I sometimes think
... I do not!
As a council estate kid in the 70s I saw that bloody album cover, heard them and knew something was wrong ... until the trials of the witches that was
... but if you like K. Crimson and others then of course that's fine isn't it
T
Best song ever !!!!!
Definitely best group ever. As for song, I'd pick Fantastic Life
@@JoelRizzo-dp1uz tbh I would pick em all
@@statementallity As the book title sez, via John Peel " You Must Get Them All"! Excellent book btw.
Astonishing
Not heard this one before
That's one of the joys of loving the Fall: There's *always* more new old stuff to find!
40 years of NEW albums *no golden oldies* and 40 years of live experimentations - what other group has done this?
The Buttholes and Lee Scratch Perry? While Mark is focal point we should appreciate all the contributers to The Fall ,they would agree the biggest contributes were the minority faithfull audience......as in 50,000 Fall fans can't be wrong........The way he takes the piss out of King Crimson etc biggest simple purest laughs going. As Bernard Manning the controversial but now underground comedian said....' I don't discrimate,I ll tell jokes about anyone. What I feel is really underated is their massive visual legacy...Streets of Salford immortalised with super eight.well before the days of MTV and t internet.
@@JJONNYREPP yeah I get it but the simple banality of a non song is cool . Court of the and the rest is great ..joy Division yeah..I get it . the stripped bareness of the track is cool.....and musical monotime/ tone... Many of us take it as a good post hippy dump.....expectations like the next Floyd album or the series of moody blues etc....getting let down by our fave bands new album... unfortunate it's degenerated not by the musicians but expectations of the audience . There's some great music but this track was the ant I music track....the seventies were dead ,wearing a velvet jacket and having a perm and the buzzcocks, , TVOD ,walk the dog n the drones and V 2 were attempts at a non specific new wave when by that time peachesbby the stranglers was not doing it for us.
In s way over forty years ago....after Sid killed Nancy springen then himself nothin hit the spot . We wondered if sham 69 would replace it but were quickly minded of the moronic when our gang got battered by kersal lads on the landslide footbridge....while they sang if the kids were united. After that The Fall spread but in lefteild secrecy . It was easier to get in a party full of free drugs n beer in Wilmslow that bump into Mark / fall. When I met him in some scan house in Prestwich I was just tagging along with a class a scorer . Did not recognise him ,thought he was another half jock skinny speed freak. My mate got his drugs and ten minutes later we were off, over the mushroom feild and back to bowler vale.
This will sound weird . As an old sound engineer....only till the other year have my ears had the patience to give to wade through the extensive legacy of their work. I have IGNORED the music muso scene since getting involved. After a gig I'd go home and listen to silence. I was a bit pissed off to find that 'what about us: was about Shipman! My mum's old doctor in Dukinfeild.
@@JJONNYREPP one of the the most beautiful things......if I can use such a delicate word for the. Fall ..is how they stayed true to their class and roots.....which is why they never got famous like Maurice the jewb who used Johny Marr . They sprung out of bedsit Land,experimental working class Carlos Castendsd,trying coedine linctus,valium,speed,pot etc to assist the magical journeys. Mark could of easily hit the big time with one single and fcked off to l.a. but stayed in his humble Ness to be s true commited artist...like many condemned to relative obscurity and poverty.
Like John Cooper Clarke a bug quality was his normal accent. We could relate to em ,rathet than Shakespeare's coughing.
This creative deadland between the hippy die off and totp culture was the musical purgurtory or stasis in which Mark started his shit. He knew about BBC peado's ,masonry ,as in Lucifer over Lancashire well before the net ,this is often ignored. Under his chip eating Manchester drawl was philosophy and high art ,mixed with a brick in his hand should you ever deny the poor to rise. Bury.....great track . Lots of stuff goes underated. The visuals of their stuff ... well before video cameras were available to the plebs is amazing,an historical record from Lightbowne rd to bury new rd. The landslide and old red brick Manchester. Before MTV they were s full performance art. Check out Mr pharmacists for scratchy super eight style. Big visual legacy........smoking pot in sinister Sinister,Heaton park comm tower in the background.
The Fall are a flag of incitement to be yourselfs...sing in you normal voice ,write your own local culture......It's how heavens planned it but The Fall are only just taking off. A pisser for Mark but full blown stardom would make him an even techy er test .irratable artist.
One of the few left left left behind lefteild complete performance art groups,known only mostly for their music .
Never sold knowingly.up their with ballet Rambout and lol coxhill s welfare state,genesis with Peter Gabriel.....a complete peice.
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@@phillmaf7319 Now where's J SUTCLIFFE work gone?
Someone I knew made an avatar in VRChat that was supposed to look like a worm on a string. They would move their hands and make it jig and dance. All the while I would shout "WORM-WORM-WORM-WORM" like Mark E. Smith.
"Why did you take that corny stuff I love so much and make it hip?" RIP MES
These are indeed the words of expectation! Listen in now!!
RIP Mark E. Smith
Gold gold gold
Genius
Expectation-ah
Much respect-uh to mr Smith himself, but they'd have been nothing without Hanley's basslines.
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and I thought I was the only person on the planet to recognize this! Hanley does not get anywhere near the acclaim he deserves. The man was a beast, played bass like it was lead and NEVER, never missed
Respect please
listen to this whilst painting, if you are a painter and try not to break the fucking contract or better, just listen to this
Im a head wrangler
F**k me I love the fall
MES is the King of Crimson
And the faddest of gadgets
So not Iceland then
These-a are-a the words-a
This is pleas of please.
live in Icelands capital, I Rekyavik, I'm a head ranbler, woo
amazing!
the artwork is presumably a poster for the gig, made by a fan? I really think that 'De Stijl' and MES's weird kind of Expressionism is a pretty jarring combination... and while I'm at it, I don't like the colours. and tbh i hate de stijl, the dutch
The artwork was my thing back in the day, if you check out my channel you'll find a bunch of live performances by the FALL with my "covers" for the shows.
Don't know about the artwork,one of his sister's painted and some famous painters did some covers for free. I do think the artwork and videos of the fall are very undervalued . A sort of anti album theme ,a rejection if the hippy concept albums with rich trippy artwork ,like Yes etc. Collaged scraps litter lots of their album art.