Great video! I really wish the drop shot wasn’t illegal in rivers. The only problem is that they can’t allow it in moving water because of the salmon snagging. However, a ton of people “floss” with a weight above the hook on the leader and the dog can’t really outlaw that since basically every fishing technique uses it. I know flossing is just poaching and I’m kinda of conflicted on it because it’s really effective but also just snagging. I could see if you are really poor and you need food to feed your family then flossing is the best option. But if you are not struggling to survive and you’re fishing for fun then flossing is just unethical.
Yeah, the flossing thing is tough because it's also used on fish that don't generally eat once they are in river system. But it is really hard on the fish, and ironically, harder because of the regulations. I was super depressed after seeing how much the sockeye in Alaska get beaten up by people flossing them, but having to let them go if the hook isn't in the mouth. The poor fish had huge chunks taken out of them from people removing hooks. But it is effective, no question. Like you, I'm much more willing to forgive people just trying to feed themselves and their families than someone thinking they are a badass because they can foul hook a salmon. I mean, come on.
Pretty much the ones that are using equipment against the rules/laws are also not going to be reading such rules or laws. All you need to do is get some ppl to inform caltip and enough comments will result in a ranger coming out. But it takes a lot. I have video of poachers and it doesn't make a difference.
There are so many issues it's hard for DFW to address them all. Lots of the focus is on higher profile species and other issues like illegal cannabis cultivation. I'm sure reasonable minds can disagree on the wisdom of the approach. All I can do is try to present the information in a digestible way and hope it helps protect the resource. I say keep calling in the tips though, eventually someone might get busted or otherwise rethink their ways. What can I say, I'm an optimist.
@@abushinthewoods I have video of ppl breaking rules and laws and have sent them to authorities, but who knows what happens after that? I usually have my go pro recording when I fish, without lights on, and in an inconspicuous place. Have videos of steelhead snaggers, salmon snaggers, leaders 20 feet long, etc. Just a shame how little respect people show and then wonder why more rules are implemented or fishing areas closed down.
@@CaliforniaFishing Yeah, for sure. This is why we can't have nice things. I also think people don't understand the impact of their actions on the environment. I see people trudging across redds just completely oblivious as they kill hundreds if not thousands of fish. Some people are happy to be told and want to protect the resource, others get all mad and hostile. Maybe they are embarrassed or ashamed, maybe their egos don't allow them to admit to being in the wrong, maybe thus just don't care. I don't know. But the end result is we all suffer--and the fish suffer first and worst.
There are two issue: the regulations are not easily accessible/understand and barbless hooks are very difficult to find in stores. I just got into fishing in this area and the regulations drastically change just a few miles from each other. It was also impossible for me to buy barbless hooks, even the ones advertised as such still had barbs. I’ve done a few hours of research on this creek and not a single website listed I must use single hooks. Where are you finding this rule?
Where are you? If you are in the States, typically each State will publish the regs online and you can access them there. Other countries probably do it similarly. If you let me know, I can maybe help you figure it out. For the barbs, you can always just pinch them down with hemostats give them a good clamping and then rotate the hemostat around the hook a few times--the combination of pressure and heat will usually ensure the hook is smooth.
I am sorry to say: 1) Your audience is not the one you are targeting. All those barbless single hook places, when was the last time you saw a ranger/agent checking licenses? Again, in all those places how many times you saw somebody casting a rapala with multiple treble hooks? In my experience, it is zero agents and many of the second. Usually fly fishers violate the rules with a forgotten barb or drop shotting on a visit to California. And, I have not seen anyone yet doing it on purpose. In other words, you may be trying to convince a community that is already pretty good on self-policing. 2) Speaking of self-policing, as far as I know, the drop shot rigging is illegal in California unless it is a lake or the ocean. So, it is not about how you tie the weight under the hook, it is the fact that it is under the hook. It goes in first, comes out last. Some officer may say different things, but you would not want the argument to continue as a petition after the fine. So, I wouldn't rig a drop shot in California.
For 1, you may be right. Some people are going to do what they want regardless of the rules. I can't help those people. It's people that might not know the rules I'm targeting. There might be 0 of those people out there, but I still have to try. For 2, I actually think the dropshot rule is so ambiguous as to potentially be unenforceable. But the approach of just avoiding it is guaranteed to save you the hassle of having to argue it either way. Plus, it's totally unnecessary. Just put a heavy fly at the end of the leader! Yeah, you may lose flies, but so what? I lose so many flies to the bottom already (never mind the bushes and trees) I just don't understand why people feel the need to dropshot.
@@abushinthewoods In bass fishing, the drop shot is used very often. As a bass fisher myself, the drop shot is used so often that it would be devestating if it was illegal in all waters. The only issue is when people use it in river backwaters for bass. They arent trying to snag salmon, but its technically illegal.
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Great video! I really wish the drop shot wasn’t illegal in rivers. The only problem is that they can’t allow it in moving water because of the salmon snagging. However, a ton of people “floss” with a weight above the hook on the leader and the dog can’t really outlaw that since basically every fishing technique uses it.
I know flossing is just poaching and I’m kinda of conflicted on it because it’s really effective but also just snagging. I could see if you are really poor and you need food to feed your family then flossing is the best option. But if you are not struggling to survive and you’re fishing for fun then flossing is just unethical.
Yeah, the flossing thing is tough because it's also used on fish that don't generally eat once they are in river system. But it is really hard on the fish, and ironically, harder because of the regulations. I was super depressed after seeing how much the sockeye in Alaska get beaten up by people flossing them, but having to let them go if the hook isn't in the mouth. The poor fish had huge chunks taken out of them from people removing hooks. But it is effective, no question. Like you, I'm much more willing to forgive people just trying to feed themselves and their families than someone thinking they are a badass because they can foul hook a salmon. I mean, come on.
Pretty much the ones that are using equipment against the rules/laws are also not going to be reading such rules or laws. All you need to do is get some ppl to inform caltip and enough comments will result in a ranger coming out. But it takes a lot. I have video of poachers and it doesn't make a difference.
There are so many issues it's hard for DFW to address them all. Lots of the focus is on higher profile species and other issues like illegal cannabis cultivation. I'm sure reasonable minds can disagree on the wisdom of the approach. All I can do is try to present the information in a digestible way and hope it helps protect the resource. I say keep calling in the tips though, eventually someone might get busted or otherwise rethink their ways. What can I say, I'm an optimist.
@@abushinthewoods I have video of ppl breaking rules and laws and have sent them to authorities, but who knows what happens after that? I usually have my go pro recording when I fish, without lights on, and in an inconspicuous place. Have videos of steelhead snaggers, salmon snaggers, leaders 20 feet long, etc. Just a shame how little respect people show and then wonder why more rules are implemented or fishing areas closed down.
@@CaliforniaFishing Yeah, for sure. This is why we can't have nice things. I also think people don't understand the impact of their actions on the environment. I see people trudging across redds just completely oblivious as they kill hundreds if not thousands of fish. Some people are happy to be told and want to protect the resource, others get all mad and hostile. Maybe they are embarrassed or ashamed, maybe their egos don't allow them to admit to being in the wrong, maybe thus just don't care. I don't know. But the end result is we all suffer--and the fish suffer first and worst.
There are two issue: the regulations are not easily accessible/understand and barbless hooks are very difficult to find in stores. I just got into fishing in this area and the regulations drastically change just a few miles from each other. It was also impossible for me to buy barbless hooks, even the ones advertised as such still had barbs. I’ve done a few hours of research on this creek and not a single website listed I must use single hooks. Where are you finding this rule?
Where are you? If you are in the States, typically each State will publish the regs online and you can access them there. Other countries probably do it similarly. If you let me know, I can maybe help you figure it out. For the barbs, you can always just pinch them down with hemostats give them a good clamping and then rotate the hemostat around the hook a few times--the combination of pressure and heat will usually ensure the hook is smooth.
I am sorry to say:
1) Your audience is not the one you are targeting. All those barbless single hook places, when was the last time you saw a ranger/agent checking licenses? Again, in all those places how many times you saw somebody casting a rapala with multiple treble hooks? In my experience, it is zero agents and many of the second. Usually fly fishers violate the rules with a forgotten barb or drop shotting on a visit to California. And, I have not seen anyone yet doing it on purpose. In other words, you may be trying to convince a community that is already pretty good on self-policing.
2) Speaking of self-policing, as far as I know, the drop shot rigging is illegal in California unless it is a lake or the ocean. So, it is not about how you tie the weight under the hook, it is the fact that it is under the hook. It goes in first, comes out last. Some officer may say different things, but you would not want the argument to continue as a petition after the fine. So, I wouldn't rig a drop shot in California.
For 1, you may be right. Some people are going to do what they want regardless of the rules. I can't help those people. It's people that might not know the rules I'm targeting. There might be 0 of those people out there, but I still have to try.
For 2, I actually think the dropshot rule is so ambiguous as to potentially be unenforceable. But the approach of just avoiding it is guaranteed to save you the hassle of having to argue it either way. Plus, it's totally unnecessary. Just put a heavy fly at the end of the leader! Yeah, you may lose flies, but so what? I lose so many flies to the bottom already (never mind the bushes and trees) I just don't understand why people feel the need to dropshot.
@@abushinthewoods In bass fishing, the drop shot is used very often. As a bass fisher myself, the drop shot is used so often that it would be devestating if it was illegal in all waters. The only issue is when people use it in river backwaters for bass. They arent trying to snag salmon, but its technically illegal.
@@thecalfisher Interesting. I've only ever used streamers and topwater stuff for bass (so fun). Good to know, thanks for that info.
@@abushinthewoods I mean conventional fishing for bass. The closest thing to the action of a drop shot in my opinion is the float-n-fly.
@@thecalfisher I totally had to Google float-n-fly.