The Rocket's Rivals - The Other Trains At The Rainhill Trials

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  • @gonzoengineering4894
    @gonzoengineering4894 23 дні тому +130

    Cyclopede is overlooked, but it truly is an engineering marvel. What incredible ingenuity they must've had to work out how to add mechanical losses to a horse.

    • @HandDrawnHistory
      @HandDrawnHistory  23 дні тому +33

      I'm prety sure anyone who looks at it has the thought "Why not just use horse to pull it?"

    • @nostalgiccameralife
      @nostalgiccameralife 22 дні тому +21

      This is a bit like saying a bicycle adds mechanical losses to walking.

    • @schwarzerritter5724
      @schwarzerritter5724 18 днів тому +11

      Cyclopede was much faster than the horses alone, so it was a successful design, just not successful enough to compete with steam locomotives.

    • @HandDrawnHistory
      @HandDrawnHistory  18 днів тому +9

      To be clear, Cyclopede was a clever design. it just provokes a confused reaction upon first viewing.

    • @tmorganriley
      @tmorganriley 12 днів тому +2

      @@schwarzerritter5724 to that end, it was rather valuable as a control.

  • @MatthewChenault
    @MatthewChenault 19 днів тому +50

    7:58
    For those who recognize the name, yes, that is - indeed - the same John Ericsson who’d go on the design and construct the ironclad USS _Monitor_ for the United States Navy; the first turreted Ironclad to see combat and fight another ironclad - CSS _Virginia_ - at the Battle of Hampton Roads.

    • @gudnisnaer8171
      @gudnisnaer8171 10 днів тому +2

      He was also a pioneer of screw propultion for ships, made a few canons, invented the surface condensor, developed guidance systems for torpedos and built the first all metal torpedo boat. He was the definition of a mad scientist

  • @Quasihamster
    @Quasihamster 17 днів тому +26

    The more I hear of Rainhill, the more does its atmosphere sound like that of remote controlled robot battles nowadays. Except everybody gets to break a rule or two, because nobody sticks to them anyway.

    • @ReddwarfIV
      @ReddwarfIV 10 днів тому

      It's like Scrapheap Challenge but more public

    • @catfish552
      @catfish552 3 дні тому

      With several entrants not showing up, I imagine they were glad about every engine that could run 😆

  • @JRS06
    @JRS06 24 дні тому +33

    I remember liking the design of Sans Pareil over Rocket when I was little, although it's better that the latter won in the end. Novelty was as it's name implied unique, but not exactly practical. I didn't even know about Perserverence and Cycloped for a long time. The Rainhill Trials is something I'd love to see a feature length film about.

    • @HandDrawnHistory
      @HandDrawnHistory  23 дні тому +5

      I quite like Novelty, just for its numerous clever features. But then it seems to have been set up to win the trials rather than work a regular service, and it's probably for the best that it broke down when it did.

    • @svennoren9047
      @svennoren9047 21 день тому

      @@HandDrawnHistory It was purchased by another company and did regular service for several years. 9:45

    • @HandDrawnHistory
      @HandDrawnHistory  21 день тому +2

      Yes, but in a slightly less demanding capacity than the Liverpool and Manchester. It was still an impressive engine.

    • @spencers5898
      @spencers5898 18 днів тому

      I too have noticed that a lot of the books on trains I had as a kid failed to mention Perseverance and Cycloped. I didn't learn about them until several years into adulthood.

  • @chalwa07
    @chalwa07 20 днів тому +13

    8:13 I imagine fireman putting lumps of coal one by one

  • @fishman501
    @fishman501 17 днів тому +5

    Something I find funny about Novelty is that it was apparently built out of parts from an old fire engine according to a book I have on Victorian railways.

  • @Renault_75-34MX
    @Renault_75-34MX 19 днів тому +3

    Sans Pareil's boiler reminds me of the Franco Crosti boilers, just that there the exhaust gasses were used in addition to exhaust steam to heat the feed water, while here the smoke just doubles back on itself in the boiler.
    There were a few BR 9F's that were fitted with Crosti boilers, and those had the exhaust on the right side before the cab.
    Perserverance also seams like the pioneer for Coffeepot engine's

  • @pajis_xd
    @pajis_xd 21 день тому +2

    Im glad someone finally made a video explaining these engines in detail❤

  • @giuliopedrali4794
    @giuliopedrali4794 9 днів тому +1

    Intressant video

  • @PaprikaX33
    @PaprikaX33 12 днів тому +3

    I guess if cyclopede adds a ratcheting mechanism, and being invented a few years before the steam engine being considered as a viable traction power source, then cyclopede would be a gamechanger for horse pulled railway. The ratchet allows the horse to take a break after gaining speed on level or downward sloping ground similar to how bicycles improve human locomotion.

  • @FlyingMontyExpress
    @FlyingMontyExpress 4 дні тому +1

    10:03 i wonder who the blue tank engine is meant to represent

  • @nostalgiccameralife
    @nostalgiccameralife 23 дні тому +8

    Just a bit of pedantic trivia: the Flying Dutchman of South Carolina was built, tested, and run in 1830. It has been erroneously repeated many times in many books that it won a contest in 1829, but this is not correct. The South Carolina Canal and Rail Road Co. did not even have any track in 1829 on which a contest could have been held. The Charleston newspapers report on the event in 1830, which was likely staged because their first locomotive Best Friend was originally supposed to be delivered in June of that year, but would not end up being unloaded in Charleston until October. In the meantime the company wanted the public's attention (and money) so a contest was run. The Flying Dutchman was entered along with two other competitors, both of which were handcars. The Flying Dutchman won the contest and a prize of $250 (the $500 figure often given is also incorrect).
    It's also pretty likely that Novelty influenced the design of Best Friend. Both being tank engines, and both having crank axles (before Planet, Globe, or Liverpool!), the boiler being set at one end and the cylinder at the other is another common feature, although Best Friend was simpler, omitting the bell cranks and bellows.

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 13 днів тому +2

    0:18 got the horse backwards. the gearing on the uh...engine meant the horse had to run backwards

  • @ActAshira
    @ActAshira 20 днів тому

    Love the video, very informative with cute illustrations!

  • @eliyahzayin5469
    @eliyahzayin5469 11 днів тому

    Novelty has always fascinated me ever since I learned of it. I've always been curious about what would have happened if Ericsson had had an earlier warning about the trials and enough time to fix some of the issues it faced as, in many ways, I do feel like it's design was equal to or perhaps even superior to Rocket's.

    • @LMS2968
      @LMS2968 11 днів тому +1

      Nope. The L&MR ordered two larger versions of Novelty from Braithwaite and Ericson named William IV and Queen Adelaide. They were delivered - late - in 1830. They were so useless the Directors refused to accept them.
      Novelty might have been a brand new concept but it was already at the limit of its basic design.

  • @Waskotorowy
    @Waskotorowy 23 дні тому +9

    Who tf allowed the cycloped to compete😭💀

    • @HandDrawnHistory
      @HandDrawnHistory  23 дні тому +12

      I like to imagine he was vague on the details then just turned up with it, and they were too polite to send him away.

    • @schwarzerritter5724
      @schwarzerritter5724 18 днів тому +6

      It does add a good comparison. If the steam locomotives can not compete with horses what is even the point?

  • @DeadAlready_1248
    @DeadAlready_1248 19 днів тому +1

    I see guess the one bursting with steam and could not be fixed on-sight was the one referenced by Steven in Thomas

  • @WayOutGaming
    @WayOutGaming 6 днів тому

    The fact that cyclopede was allowed to compete makes me wonder if someone just wanted to see how 2 horses on a treadmill would work.

    • @HandDrawnHistory
      @HandDrawnHistory  4 дні тому +1

      Of all the Rainhill entries, it is the one I would most like to see running.

  • @dddddyyn
    @dddddyyn 18 днів тому

    I was going to comment about how awesome the hand drawings are, but then I saw you channel name lol. Subscribed!!!

  • @luca.vantstraat
    @luca.vantstraat 23 дні тому +5

    I think the Sans Pareil is very beautifull compared to the rest

    • @HandDrawnHistory
      @HandDrawnHistory  23 дні тому +6

      I'm just pleased they all made an effort to create vibrant colour schemes.

    • @luca.vantstraat
      @luca.vantstraat 23 дні тому +1

      @HandDrawnHistory true

  • @thomasawl
    @thomasawl 21 день тому +3

    cycloped my beloved

  • @polishcosmonaut6324
    @polishcosmonaut6324 21 день тому +4

    I though there was one more contestant as i read in one old book... But I'm rather mistaken.

    • @LMS2968
      @LMS2968 11 днів тому

      Manumotive - powered by 'two strong men'.

    • @polishcosmonaut6324
      @polishcosmonaut6324 11 днів тому

      @LMS2968 oh, i wouldn't remeber that

    • @LMS2968
      @LMS2968 11 днів тому

      @@polishcosmonaut6324 Well, neither would I - I wasn't there in 1829! But it's in the history books.

    • @polishcosmonaut6324
      @polishcosmonaut6324 10 днів тому

      @LMS2968 meant that I read one of book, just forgot exact info

  • @mattevans4377
    @mattevans4377 13 днів тому

    Sounds like the people who made Novelty at least had a lot of fun in the end, and I think that's important. What's the point in life, if it's all work and no play?

  • @LukeLovesTrains-Mr.RailYard
    @LukeLovesTrains-Mr.RailYard 15 днів тому

    Can you give more how to draw train videos?

  • @Wreckedftfoxy
    @Wreckedftfoxy 16 днів тому

    it wouldve been funny if novelty won the Rainhill Trials instead

  • @giuliopedrali4794
    @giuliopedrali4794 9 днів тому

    In practice wins whom to come to the end without problems

  • @doltBmB
    @doltBmB 17 днів тому

    the drawing clearly has a second horse, you can see its head and tail right behind the first one

    • @HandDrawnHistory
      @HandDrawnHistory  17 днів тому +1

      I added the second horse. The drawing I was working from showed only one.

    • @LMS2968
      @LMS2968 10 днів тому

      @@HandDrawnHistory Some sources state that there were two horses, others only one. The platform on which it - they - stood wasn't particularly wide.

  • @thatguynathan5816
    @thatguynathan5816 11 днів тому

    So the whole thing is... This shouldn't be legal, but fuck it

    • @ReddwarfIV
      @ReddwarfIV 10 днів тому

      Basically only one guy showed up with an engine that fit the rules. They bent the rules so they could have a competition at all.

  • @redcliffish4390
    @redcliffish4390 10 днів тому

    this is wonderful however what the hell is a kilometer

    • @LMS2968
      @LMS2968 10 днів тому +2

      Approximately five-eighths of a mile.

    • @nerd1000ify
      @nerd1000ify 4 дні тому +1

      It's a strange French way of measuring distance. The French, in their typical madness, have decided that measurements should scale in consistent multiples of ten rather than threes, twelves twenties and whatever other numbers people in ancient times felt like. Even crazier, they think everyone should agree on the size of their strange tens measurements, and have made sets of standard gauges for each country to check against, which the US and UK have both purchased from them! Waste of taxpayer money if you ask me, I just measure distances by counting my steps like a sensible person.

  • @owainlloyddavies7107
    @owainlloyddavies7107 23 дні тому +6

    We all know Rocket only won because "Big Stephenson" sabotaged Sans Perils pumps 😎 (probably wasn't but history is more fun this way)

  • @MrJoeyWheeler
    @MrJoeyWheeler 19 днів тому +4

    Miles per hour. Not kilometers. Britain did not and still does not use metric for these things. Talking about a historic event like the Rainhill trials and giving metric results is just dishonest.

    • @redneckgaijin
      @redneckgaijin 18 днів тому +14

      The author is converting measurements for modern audiences, particularly audiences in countries that don't use imperial measurements. The original trials speed requirement was 10 MPH, which is about 16 km/h.

    • @rhodrage
      @rhodrage 15 днів тому +4

      At the very least, should use both

  • @doodemog
    @doodemog 16 днів тому +2

    Please use mph not kmh

    • @Leofwine
      @Leofwine 10 днів тому +2

      Everyone except America uses kilometres.

    • @ReddwarfIV
      @ReddwarfIV 10 днів тому

      ​@@LeofwineUK (where the locomotives were used) uses MPH.

  • @lynnmorton7544
    @lynnmorton7544 14 днів тому

    Please, no more kilometres per hour