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Me every expansion: Hmm time for a change what class will I pick. Me 2 weeks into every expansion: Shadowbolt, Shadowbolt, Shadowbolt, hand of guldan. I need to just accept that I'm never kicking the fel.
Nice video! I like the comment during the Augmentation Evoker bit about not people not wanting to use WeakAuras. I'm in that camp myself. Never wanted to take the time to figure it out and I feel I do great without it. I use a ton of keybinds that I have built into muscle memory playing MMO's for over 24 years. I usually don't have a problem with mechanics either so it's always been like an unnecessary addon that uses a good amount of memory and takes a while to figure out and integrate into a UI setup.
all hunter speccs needs some well deserved visual flair other than just barely different colour on the arrow or bullet and maybe some bigger flair when a pet gets summoned or a proc for explosive shot or killshot happens
It's really a testament to how good the Legion fire mage rework was that is basically still plays the same as it did then, and it's still my favorite ranged DPS spec.
Frostfire Frost Mage is sooooo fun! My ranged DPS experience is pretty minimal and it's even less with casters. I'm totally sold on Frostfire though! I don't dare try Fire or Arcane for fear I get completely lost in that rabbit hole
Glad I picked up a mage in remix right now. Fire is absolutely the most enjoyable caster in game for me personally, and knowing I have 2 other fantastic options is a huge bonus. I like classes that have unique utility and I think mage portals are the most useful imho. (I know everyone else is getting versions of this or engineering toys, but still).
Glad affliction is getting love. I play Warlock every expansion and Aff has always been my favourite (well apart from MoP Demo... RIP old Meta Demo. Was best spec in the game).
Ele Shaman: you need a masters degree in common core math where your rotation is based on what abilities proc and some things in the hero tree either don't work or busted as hell
They really need to do another rework to save hunter. Would still like to see pets funneled to BM only so they can open up MM and survival to have more possibilities. Dual wield would be nice too but running on hopium at this point.
yeah I do not like how pet-focused they have made Survival. Some pet interaction is okay. I would like to see more interactions with Harpoon as well because it is such a satisfying ability.
Thanks for your continued time and effort with these videos :D you have a great entertaining and quirky personality as well which makes the videos more enjoyable 😀 p.s. just levelled a mage since it looks fun xD
Ive mained MM hunter and Rogue Alt for years, but ive decided to change mains this expansion to keep things fresh. Going with Mage for main and still deciding on a melee alt. Mages eating SO good
@18:03 there could've been such an easy fix to the mass-doomguard spam. just cap it.. make a "there can only be 2 doomguards active at a time" or maybe 3.. whatever feels reasonable and be done with it. it's probably still fun, but not just degenerate doom spam on trash
honestly, honestly, I don’t care what anybody says. The best litmus test is your own personal anecdotal testing. Because you have to find a character that makes sense to you certain rotations feel more fluid to certain people. Also, if you’re playing a class that you can’t get behind the class fantasy then it’s not going to be as enjoyable for you.
I actually like the DoT gameplay in general - but the dots need to do enough damage to be rewarding. If they're tuned like VT and SWP then it feels bad not being able to compete for sure. but if the dot management is hard and they do big dam and return lots of power for spenders then it's worth imo
Balance Druid here! Thank you for this, because balance has been completely left in the dust and I'm glad you agree. Having tested everything I can honestly say I agree with Basically everything stated, which is a rarity for me. Great work!
I play balanced through it only sparingly, but I have played it since vanilla in someway or another. But for me, balanced has an enjoyable rotation. I like the fact that you have some instant cast spells. And the ones that are hard, don’t feel bad to press to me. Idk Balance seems like it makes more sense to me
even tho dev and arcane have been nerfed im still looking forward to playing both leaning more to scale commander dev and evoker is the only tier set that actually looks gangster.
Yeah, there needs to be a phone call to Tettles, Naguura and others to fix Boomkin! For me, Boomkin hasn't been fun to play since, ummmm, in a long time! Now, I will always play Boomkin as my main but its getting harder all the time just to enjoy playing. Ramp up time takes way, way too long, other players are asking what is wrong w/ your damage etc. I hope Blizzard fixes Boomkin play style along w/ the damage. If not, it's time for me to walk away.
for spriest actually, unless I misunderstood you, it's the opposite fillers than what you mentioned. Voidweaver prefers Mind Spike and Archon prefers Flay since flay is the better of the 2 under Insanity now and Voidweaver has more interactions with mind blast (void blast) being buffed by mind spike's talent. So maybe try revisiting Archon since you said you don't like Spike
Would frostfire mage be suitable to play with a controller? Never tried controller in wow before and was thinking it could be worth a shot for super casual play
I started playing a controler a few months ago and now i cant keyboard!. I have so many more years with a controler it feel like 2nd nature. Now im stuck thou as i have to find a class i like that can be controllered easily. #spoiled!
Unpopular opinion: I think Destruction's Overfiend launching Chaos Bolt's makes them feel way less special now. I know they're part of the rotation at this point rather than originally being just a big damage cooldown along the lines of Soul Fire but seeing them ALL the time when they're one of the coolest looking spells in the game takes some of the fun out of launching one for me.
I was finally planning to break the druid and go mage. Im having so much fun on it currently and enjoying it in beta! Unfortunately guild needs me to stay druid 😅
I play in groups, and I also do some dungeons and raids. But for me, class has to be enjoyable before I get to the point of rating or I will never make it that far. Mage is good. Don’t get me wrong but idk kinda boring sometimes. Fire mage needs a buff to damage also.
I used to be a rogue main since 4.0 because of open world pvp but oh boy once i tried mage in the TTW beta i can never go back to rogue especially i feel that blizzard are giving up on rogue rn,i am a mage main its so fun to play it especially arcane and fire
@@HumanThoughtExpression Ye, and the bad thing is not only gameplay, but it impacts performance - bears are harendessly bad, cats are nowhere to be found, healers had to get 15% buff and were still not used by any of the top guilds for raid testing, and boomie is well.. as per the video. Worst part is we have the most feedback and some of us, have written actual papers with feedback..
I'm switching from DH (my main since bfa) to Hunter! DH hero talents are terrible, and Hunters are looking awesome and I've loved the shit out of them since leveling one in remix!
Soul Harvester Affliction has been a huge surprise hit for me. The visual effects and Nightfall/Shadow Bolt synergies are very fun. I didn't expect to like it so much with everyone, and their mama, hyping up Hellcaller to such a high degree. I just hope the balancing makes it worth playing.
I'm hoping for some tuning for it. I know they added one of the ( weak dots ) to benefit from our mastery but it does need a buff. I also preferred the 30 second succulent soul mechanic to new one.
Frost mage and affliction warlock glad i have both at 70 atm. They ruined demonlogy i loved s3 and destruction aint the best either. Glad affliction is coming back.
As a longtime balance druid i am SAD. I agree with everything said and more about us. I got on the beta and felt no excitement for our hero specs. They are bland, boring and do nothing to enhance or improve us. Its embarrassing when you try the other hero specs out and see the changes and impacts they have on the spec. Not woth balance. Ive been trying out different ranged specs for my main, but i just dont enjoy the toolkit of others as much as i love boomy, its been my spec aince wrath, and im enjoying it in cata classic more than beta.
I don't saw the video and knew mage will be in S-tier 😂 but youre look so happy about it that i maybe need to give mage a try 😁 but please blizz take the ele & resto rework and do it with enhancement to i don't want a second time only play ele build because of storm is to bad 😪
Me gearing Ele is the hardest spec meanwhile I find it one of the easiest...Maybe its because I've been playing it since MoP? But I do see where it can overwhelm some people because a lot is going on.
I did Ele last few expansions up to season 3 DF where i switched to Balance, season 4 I did Demo warlock, I am torn between Ele, Affliction and Mage this time, was gonna do shadow but i dunno if theyre gonna nerf it. Frost mage gives me hope because it feels less likely to be nerf'd
Demo all the way..alt is monk,mage,and unholy dk..I have a rogue but not leveled all the way..just seems like rogue isn't pulling dps like my other toons..unless at 70 sub starts doing more dps
As a moonkin mage I just gave up for the moment. Not fun at all, still can't use convok wich is a huge fun spell, full ramp up in M+ is terrible, hero talents aren't fun at all... I'll just move to arcane because this is so much fun and blizzard love mage, and I want love
I never liked lava burst. I always knew ele as lightning and then they added lava burst and suddenly I’m fire? I wish ele just stayed purely lightning.
Long time mage enjoyer here but never truly mained the class and I am almost completely sold on mage for TWW. Also I disagree with the heat you put on Frostfire hero talents, they're the best out of the three imo.
I keep trying to play druid boomkin and keep going back to cat. Boomkin for me is not fun to play I might as well just play healer with it. I tend to play shaman and lock and Pali tank mostly I like the new evokes class now. Used to play shadow priest but now it's not fun anymore more may have to try to get into mage which to me is usually the best dps most expansions.
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Prescience is pronounced "press-EE-n-sss".
Me every expansion: Hmm time for a change what class will I pick.
Me 2 weeks into every expansion: Shadowbolt, Shadowbolt, Shadowbolt, hand of guldan.
I need to just accept that I'm never kicking the fel.
its addicting. peak class fantasy
You may not kick the Fel, but I will be on my Dk
@@Bish186 bro i got the same. This tier i want to main arcane. Mark
My words I’ll end up with demo again…
Feltanyl claims another victim!
Me with Hunter haha I always go back to my hunter
I already changed my main 3 times for TWW, this video made me change a 4th time
Name all of them. Im curious now😂
Lol, what did you end up with this time?
I feel ya bro
@@evilmarius started as druid, then went to survival hunter, then paladin and now I'm on arcane mage!
Same!
Priest sayin "and you got pi. I feel bad for you". I felt that bro. I felt that.
Nice video! I like the comment during the Augmentation Evoker bit about not people not wanting to use WeakAuras. I'm in that camp myself. Never wanted to take the time to figure it out and I feel I do great without it. I use a ton of keybinds that I have built into muscle memory playing MMO's for over 24 years. I usually don't have a problem with mechanics either so it's always been like an unnecessary addon that uses a good amount of memory and takes a while to figure out and integrate into a UI setup.
Came for the affliction, stayed for the swag.
10/10 list will spread my seeds once again.
So glad you commented on how bad BM animations are.
all hunter speccs needs some well deserved visual flair other than just barely different colour on the arrow or bullet and maybe some bigger flair when a pet gets summoned or a proc for explosive shot or killshot happens
It's really a testament to how good the Legion fire mage rework was that is basically still plays the same as it did then, and it's still my favorite ranged DPS spec.
Frostfire Frost Mage is sooooo fun! My ranged DPS experience is pretty minimal and it's even less with casters. I'm totally sold on Frostfire though! I don't dare try Fire or Arcane for fear I get completely lost in that rabbit hole
Mage Theory, the snuck in Yoshi P I'm seeing black mage bias
Glad I picked up a mage in remix right now.
Fire is absolutely the most enjoyable caster in game for me personally, and knowing I have 2 other fantastic options is a huge bonus. I like classes that have unique utility and I think mage portals are the most useful imho. (I know everyone else is getting versions of this or engineering toys, but still).
Glad affliction is getting love. I play Warlock every expansion and Aff has always been my favourite (well apart from MoP Demo... RIP old Meta Demo. Was best spec in the game).
Ele Shaman: you need a masters degree in common core math where your rotation is based on what abilities proc and some things in the hero tree either don't work or busted as hell
As a math teacher I now have one more example of when they will use this stuff in the real world. Thanks Blizz! (Also ele shaman main here)
A masters in common core math is about the same as a 4th grade education if you grew up in the 80s and 90s.
@@bluewall5505 You don't understand what common core math is.
@@zombieraccoons4509 thats the point. It's nonsense and not empirically based.
@@bluewall5505 If you openly admit you dont understand elementary school math there is nothing more to say, lol.
I don't think I've ever struggled with picking a main.. All my favorites are improved and appear more fun.
They really need to do another rework to save hunter. Would still like to see pets funneled to BM only so they can open up MM and survival to have more possibilities. Dual wield would be nice too but running on hopium at this point.
Hunter has been bad since Legion at least IMO...sooooo boring and clunky
yeah I do not like how pet-focused they have made Survival. Some pet interaction is okay. I would like to see more interactions with Harpoon as well because it is such a satisfying ability.
long time hunter enojyer until legion. tried many times after but it just dont hit the same.
Haha cranking these tier lists out! Love it!
Mage (main, all specs) and Shaman (Alt, Elemental and Resto) player here. I like what I see.
Thanks for your continued time and effort with these videos :D you have a great entertaining and quirky personality as well which makes the videos more enjoyable 😀 p.s. just levelled a mage since it looks fun xD
Ive mained MM hunter and Rogue Alt for years, but ive decided to change mains this expansion to keep things fresh. Going with Mage for main and still deciding on a melee alt. Mages eating SO good
Ive played warlock for like 10 years and tried fire mage for the first time since MoP and i loved it idk if i liked it enough to change my lock tho.
I hear ya. Warlock at WOW release. Still my most played class by far.
I was hoping for this after today's stream. Loving the vibe of the channel.
Love and respect from Turkey.
@18:03 there could've been such an easy fix to the mass-doomguard spam. just cap it.. make a "there can only be 2 doomguards active at a time" or maybe 3.. whatever feels reasonable and be done with it. it's probably still fun, but not just degenerate doom spam on trash
You can't go wrong with Warlock or Mage, all of their specs are fun to play. Devastation is a lot of fun, but too squishy IMHO.
Evoker is one of the tankiest classes in the game if you just press your buttons correctly.
My first toon ever in 2009 was my Warlock. Never mained him. Not once. Went DK/Monk/Druid last 15-years. Is it time for change?
honestly, honestly, I don’t care what anybody says. The best litmus test is your own personal anecdotal testing. Because you have to find a character that makes sense to you certain rotations feel more fluid to certain people. Also, if you’re playing a class that you can’t get behind the class fantasy then it’s not going to be as enjoyable for you.
Woo! been waiting for this one!
Enjoy :P
@@MarcelianOnline Did I miss the Easiest to hardest Melee list?
after coming back from a long time, it sucks to see that mages still need to use that shadowlands fairy arcane ability? Why is that still a thing?
aoe dmg and cooldown reduction is hard to pass up. They changed the visuals to be less fairy and more arcane-y though.
I think blizz vastly underestimates how much I want and love degenerate ARPG gameplay in every gamemode that isn't high keys.
I actually like the DoT gameplay in general - but the dots need to do enough damage to be rewarding. If they're tuned like VT and SWP then it feels bad not being able to compete for sure. but if the dot management is hard and they do big dam and return lots of power for spenders then it's worth imo
Balance Druid here! Thank you for this, because balance has been completely left in the dust and I'm glad you agree. Having tested everything I can honestly say I agree with Basically everything stated, which is a rarity for me. Great work!
I play balanced through it only sparingly, but I have played it since vanilla in someway or another. But for me, balanced has an enjoyable rotation. I like the fact that you have some instant cast spells. And the ones that are hard, don’t feel bad to press to me. Idk Balance seems like it makes more sense to me
Mage.... ssssssssssss.. BM hunter. We moved your talents around and ur aoe kinda works 😆
even tho dev and arcane have been nerfed im still looking forward to playing both leaning more to scale commander dev and evoker is the only tier set that actually looks gangster.
Elemental is the most fun imo I’ve had extensively play on beta
Going back to my old main Mage seems to be like the best option 👍
Yeah, there needs to be a phone call to Tettles, Naguura and others to fix Boomkin! For me, Boomkin hasn't been fun to play since, ummmm, in a long time! Now, I will always play Boomkin as my main but its getting harder all the time just to enjoy playing. Ramp up time takes way, way too long, other players are asking what is wrong w/ your damage etc. I hope Blizzard fixes Boomkin play style along w/ the damage. If not, it's time for me to walk away.
Ranking demo as B is criminal
That S tier makes me sick.
putting aff above destr and demo in TWW is craaaaaazy, ily regardless though
Mage is just built different for fun.
for spriest actually, unless I misunderstood you, it's the opposite fillers than what you mentioned. Voidweaver prefers Mind Spike and Archon prefers Flay since flay is the better of the 2 under Insanity now and Voidweaver has more interactions with mind blast (void blast) being buffed by mind spike's talent. So maybe try revisiting Archon since you said you don't like Spike
I like how I watch videos like this every expansion, but I know I'm going to main mage regardless anyway.
Would frostfire mage be suitable to play with a controller? Never tried controller in wow before and was thinking it could be worth a shot for super casual play
I started playing a controler a few months ago and now i cant keyboard!. I have so many more years with a controler it feel like 2nd nature. Now im stuck thou as i have to find a class i like that can be controllered easily. #spoiled!
Friend of mine said fury feels best with Controller.
"50 pound skinny gekko" lol their scale is like an avatar you would piss your pants next to a guy that size
Unpopular opinion: I think Destruction's Overfiend launching Chaos Bolt's makes them feel way less special now. I know they're part of the rotation at this point rather than originally being just a big damage cooldown along the lines of Soul Fire but seeing them ALL the time when they're one of the coolest looking spells in the game takes some of the fun out of launching one for me.
Yes i feel the same
I am very excited for Mage but this video also made me curious about Warlock. 🤔
Really appreciate the effort you guys put into your content. Keep up the great work 🥂
So balance and Druid are in the gutter… we need the mage devs on this class asap
"I'm a Shaman at heart"
MAH MAN! /Brofist
Have been looking forward to this exact tier list ! Can always count on my boy Flame
As a Priest/Shaman/Mage player I’m pretty excited
Not changing my main. Once BM, always BM 🥰
gross 🤮
My main bm to bro
That is my adult daughter. BM is the only class for her.
I was finally planning to break the druid and go mage. Im having so much fun on it currently and enjoying it in beta! Unfortunately guild needs me to stay druid 😅
Always wanted to play elemental shaman I love the animation definitely going to be my main
I've played elemental on and off, mostly off for years. Always just too weak. I have hopes this is remedied for TWW.
I play in groups, and I also do some dungeons and raids. But for me, class has to be enjoyable before I get to the point of rating or I will never make it that far. Mage is good. Don’t get me wrong but idk kinda boring sometimes. Fire mage needs a buff to damage also.
I used to be a rogue main since 4.0 because of open world pvp but oh boy once i tried mage in the TTW beta i can never go back to rogue especially i feel that blizzard are giving up on rogue rn,i am a mage main its so fun to play it especially arcane and fire
Hey Marcelian, is it gonna be Mage or Warlock for m+ meta? Whats ur opinion?
I've been prepping a mage since the start of remix :)
“I don’t count out loud.” 😂😂
Share this video with the Dev team, I don't understand why and how every single druid spec is the worst in their role.
Indeed, Druid has such cool class fantasy but the lamest gameplay for every spec lol
@@HumanThoughtExpression Ye, and the bad thing is not only gameplay, but it impacts performance - bears are harendessly bad, cats are nowhere to be found, healers had to get 15% buff and were still not used by any of the top guilds for raid testing, and boomie is well.. as per the video. Worst part is we have the most feedback and some of us, have written actual papers with feedback..
Yeah already intended to main mage for the 6th xpac consecutively. While flexing restodrood as usualy
I'm switching from DH (my main since bfa) to Hunter! DH hero talents are terrible, and Hunters are looking awesome and I've loved the shit out of them since leveling one in remix!
I was going for mage/monk however I am leaning toward mage/shammy now. cheers
Soul Harvester Affliction has been a huge surprise hit for me. The visual effects and Nightfall/Shadow Bolt synergies are very fun. I didn't expect to like it so much with everyone, and their mama, hyping up Hellcaller to such a high degree. I just hope the balancing makes it worth playing.
I'm hoping for some tuning for it. I know they added one of the ( weak dots ) to benefit from our mastery but it does need a buff. I also preferred the 30 second succulent soul mechanic to new one.
Frost mage and affliction warlock glad i have both at 70 atm. They ruined demonlogy i loved s3 and destruction aint the best either. Glad affliction is coming back.
Looks like Demonology again for me. Or maybe Affliction
As a longtime balance druid i am SAD. I agree with everything said and more about us. I got on the beta and felt no excitement for our hero specs. They are bland, boring and do nothing to enhance or improve us. Its embarrassing when you try the other hero specs out and see the changes and impacts they have on the spec. Not woth balance. Ive been trying out different ranged specs for my main, but i just dont enjoy the toolkit of others as much as i love boomy, its been my spec aince wrath, and im enjoying it in cata classic more than beta.
I don't saw the video and knew mage will be in S-tier 😂 but youre look so happy about it that i maybe need to give mage a try 😁 but please blizz take the ele & resto rework and do it with enhancement to i don't want a second time only play ele build because of storm is to bad 😪
Me gearing Ele is the hardest spec meanwhile I find it one of the easiest...Maybe its because I've been playing it since MoP? But I do see where it can overwhelm some people because a lot is going on.
I did Ele last few expansions up to season 3 DF where i switched to Balance, season 4 I did Demo warlock, I am torn between Ele, Affliction and Mage this time, was gonna do shadow but i dunno if theyre gonna nerf it. Frost mage gives me hope because it feels less likely to be nerf'd
Demo all the way..alt is monk,mage,and unholy dk..I have a rogue but not leveled all the way..just seems like rogue isn't pulling dps like my other toons..unless at 70 sub starts doing more dps
As a moonkin mage I just gave up for the moment. Not fun at all, still can't use convok wich is a huge fun spell, full ramp up in M+ is terrible, hero talents aren't fun at all... I'll just move to arcane because this is so much fun and blizzard love mage, and I want love
I never liked lava burst. I always knew ele as lightning and then they added lava burst and suddenly I’m fire? I wish ele just stayed purely lightning.
You don't have to put breath in your allies it debuffs enemies and that debuff absorbs your allies DMG
Is he using the base text for dmg numbers or an addon?
Great job as always!
Hard disagree with you on shadow priest. I think this is the best iteration of spriest since shadow orbs IMO.
finaly it's time for elemtal to shine
I've been looking forward to this, let's go!
Lock or Mage 😭 maybe i should download the beta to decide
[Press-E-ence] if you can say Press E you can say this word
First Time Elemental Main in TWW
Long time mage enjoyer here but never truly mained the class and I am almost completely sold on mage for TWW. Also I disagree with the heat you put on Frostfire hero talents, they're the best out of the three imo.
what most likely will happen is arcane will get nerfed pushing fire above it and slowly frost later on in the end of the season will catch up.
As usual.
Firestorm build for davastetion actually is better since S3. Ppl just can't play outside wowhead guides
Is it true that none of these specs are even close to being ready to go live?
Best race for Mage?
Balance is fun with lunar calling
Demo in B is hilarious
Yeah mage , and let me guess fire ? Oh yess .. XD . What a big surprise.
I play 20 years balance 😅 moonkin = love
dont let boomkins down blizz
tempest still sucks as a hero talent skill. they need to make it instant cast or make it interractible with stormbringer.
Fire/Arcane all the way 😎
oh man, have I waited for this video!
Blizzard always take away the funs, like they took away the demon form from warlock when DH came out :)
was planning to main a rogue, balance druid or BM hunter. Guess I'm playing a mage. Thank goodness, I just leveled one in Remix
I am going to be so annoyed if we have another Mage + Augvoker meta
Nahhhh Aff Lock NEEDS something to keep up Agony, OR they need to change how Aff generates soul shards. Theres no inbetween
The balance druid rework failed so hard
I keep trying to play druid boomkin and keep going back to cat. Boomkin for me is not fun to play I might as well just play healer with it. I tend to play shaman and lock and Pali tank mostly I like the new evokes class now. Used to play shadow priest but now it's not fun anymore more may have to try to get into mage which to me is usually the best dps most expansions.