Remember When SJA Killed Doctor Who?
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- After the success of the Sarah Jane Adventures crossover episode 'Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith', was 'Death of the Doctor' also a success?
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Yeah… I literally broke my charger and got a fever
I saw this episode too young and haven’t touched it for years (mainly because I forgot it existed) but I forgot how well they handled Jo. Realising the doctor visited people and not her and was now travelling with a married couple would’ve been two massive hits to her, but she never let it embitter her. She became selfless and remained that way. The doctor’s explanation of ‘I could never find you, you were too busy’ did strike a weird note with me, but you can piece together (no exposition, chinball!) that she had a great life post-doctor even if he did rattle off her achievements. Underrated companion.
Weird that the two biggest complaints against chibnalls writing are that he overly relies on exposition, and that he doesn't explain enough.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg in short, he is not very good at explaining things and when he does, it isn’t done very well.
@@LordDaret that's not any shorter, and misses the point so... No?
One of the most heartwarming episodes of the series and a beautiful celebration of a great companion. Katy Manning must be protected at all costs.
Same as Clyde to be honest. He just radiates adorable Chad energy
8:50
To be fair, this was only a section of the Shansheeth, since at the end of the episode, Mr Smith says that the others called and gave their apologise
Not to mention their plan wasn't exactly evil, just reckless, they wanted to save lives, but likely didn't understand the consequences
It's understandable too, when your entire culture revolves around corpses and funerals and death, you likely would know very little about actual life with other creature
I rewatched the whole lot of SJA a little while ago, and it's definitely bittersweet because of Sladen's death. Glad I did watch it though, it's a very enjoyable watch
My children and I were so sad when she passed. We watched and rewatched SJA all the time in the months leading up to that. We haven’t been able to watch it much since.
I once met Katy Manning at my local Comic con a few years ago. The woman is a delight. Shes is exactly how you see in this episode in real life. Just a ball of energy.
Most of the cast is. I met Doctors 6, 5, 7, 8 and 10 and they're all clearly exactly like their characters and same goes for the Paternoster Gang and Missy and River and Dorium. And ESPECIALLY John Barrowman. Latter was a bit too much for me if I'm honest. (Geez, I've met a lot of them, haven't I?)
@@timrob12 I have also met Doctor's 5 and 6. Both really lovely. Especially Colin Baker. True gent. He had a lovely calming energy about him. And we bonded over the fact I am called Lucy and he has a daughter also named Lucy. Davison was a little stiff but still perfectly pleasant and charming.
@@lucypreece7581 I have loved them all. Colin holds a special place because he was the first one I met in person, McGann and McCoy were together the first time and had a fun unforgettable panel. McGann and Colin also did a con together, so I met them twice.
I’m surprised you haven’t done a more comprehensive Sarah Jane Adventures review series, since it manages to handle mature themes in a better way than Torchwood most of the time without coming across too adult for CBBC. Change, loss, negative relationships, the show’s writing and the performances showed that like Doctor Who just because it was seen as being for kids didn’t mean it talked down to the audience and provided things for older viewers to appreciate. Having storylines be across two twenty-odd minute episodes nicely feels like the Classic Doctor Who, and gives storylines more time to breath than if each storyline was only one episode.
I absolutely LOVE Torchwood (and Jack more than ANY character in all of DW) but the Sarah Jane Adventures is just objectively better. SO well made, especially for a show for kids
I love how they connect the classic series into this. Opens up to young fans that have never seen anyone else as the Doctor and shows that he’s been having Adventures for a very long time. Also shows fans of Sarah Jane her back story in a way
I quite like that this episode retconned 10's farewell tour to him going to see every companion before he died. It retroactively makes sense after Moffat decided 11 was the last Doctor in the cycle, plus I think it makes the TARDIS-destroying regeneration work better too.
How exactly does it retcon that?
@@chocofrolik834 Read the comment.
@@chocofrolik834 its not exactly a retcon, but the end of time doesnt suggest the 10th doctor visited anyone else other than shown, it was a theroy that he did visit everyone, but he was litterally about to regenerate, this episode of sja basiccly just confirmed that he did in fact visit everyone, not exactly a retcon, but somewhat close
@@voltran7677 tbh he has a time machine. He could’ve just appeared near them, stepped out his TARDIS quickly and just appreciated seeing them for a few minutes. Probably took him about 20 mins to visit his most loved people. (Probably didn’t visit the sub companions)
I've only seen "Farewell, Sarah Jane" once because it made me cry unctrollably when I watched it. I'm not a crier at all and it kinda spooked me how emotionally effected I was. It was masterfully written and I don't know I want to watch it again just cause of how much I enjoyed it.
I thought I wasn't going to cry when I watched that story, but I basicly lost that challenge when Gita delivered her lines. And I am very glad about that, because this was an occassion to cry and it was a beautiful homage to Lis Sladen.
6:35 I liked that mention a lot. It made 10’s farewell tour sit with me considerably better since I had always disliked in in EoT. Especially knowing what we knew now about 11 being their last regeneration at the time.
*What can i say, I like evil women. It definitely doesn't have something to do with deep rooted psychological issues; I'm fine.*
The utter deadpan delivery of this line makes it twice as hilarious xD
Harbo my guy you didn't have to call me out like that XD
This episode contains one of my favourite lines in the whole Doctor Who universe:
"What do you mean the 'Mona Lisa'?"
Cracks me up every time. XD
2 things I have learnt from this video.
1. SJA was a brilliant spinoff.
2. Harbo's mummy issues aren't important in good work
Lovely review. You know RTD had to stick that bit about extending the farewell tour in there, lol. He can get very self-indulgent as times. Beyond that, though, his quiet scenes are always his best. That scene on the planet with the Doctor and Jo was the highlight of the entire two-parter. And I just know Matt was practicing the Third Doctor in the mirror to get it right.
“Written by Russell T Davies”
*looks at Santiago*
Yeah, that checks out
Huh? I don't get it
Just like your first Doctor, you never forget your first companion. Mine was Sara Jane. This was a wonderful review, thank you!
I think the Sarah Jane adventures was excellent, it could have been the forerunner of the first female doctor with an ensemble cast that had so much going on. It is hard to see this and realise what an opportunity has been missed with the current Dr Who incarnation.
Great video, I understand what you mean about the difficulty of watching the series again.
The Sarah Jane Adventures is basically identical to the 13th Doctors group and was widely loved. Whenever someone says everyone is racist/sexist for not liking the 13th Doctor I always point them to the Sarah Jane Adventures. Its proof that its the writer and not the identities of the actors
@@jacobgame2757 I loved the SJA show so much and was really Sadened and peeves by her death and annoyed that they did just Use Jo as the Sara Jane and just renaame it the Jo Adventures
Okay side note: Harbo I feel like my favorite thumbnails from you are the ones that have green in the background.
Idk, it’s like a very pleasant shade of green and the aesthetic is noice 👌
I think Colonel Karim is one of the only human villains to explicitly die on the show, which is interesting to note
I know and she literally gets a really violent death, just sort of burns to death in a fiery explosion
@@obiwankenobi687 smells like roast chicken
Russell does it again. He wrote for the 11th, but I would love to see Russell T write for the 12th.
A script he wrote for the Sixth Doctor is being adapted for audio drama and he’s provided ideas for Big Finish’s Torchwood continuation Aliens Among Us, so RTD could write a Twelfth Doctor story for them.
No thanks. I don't want another mother slap the Doctor.
@@jbcatz5 among us?
I personally don't think that the Doctor going back to see all of his companions that he saw over his 10 incarnations was weird at all. Imo, it makes more sense given from the events and lore from the Time Lord regenerations as well as knowing what's to happen in Time of the Doctor. To the Doctor, this is his last and final regeneration (basically one step closer to actual death) to where his next one (the 11th Doctor) was the incarnation to end it all. After this, there would be no regenerations or attempt to cheat death. So it makes sense that he'd go and see every one of his companions and not just the ones he had as the 10th Doctor cuz as far as he knows, he'll never get the chance to see them or say goodbye again so it was now or never
I love how Clyde and Rani inspire Santiago to become the Immortal Iron Fist!
Okay Harbo, you've done this now. I think a slapdash video on Farewell Sarah Jane is all you need now to appease the majority of SJA fans
Hi! Is that Jo in that photo with Cliff at 4:52? I don't recognize that outfit and it is STUNNING! Could you tell me where did you get that picture from? I can't find it anywhere so far.
Before I even watch this video, the answer is yes because Jo Grant is in it. Therefore, it is perfect.
On the memory weave, it's interesting to noted that they had to be not only straped down with head clamps but almost hypnotised in order to bring the memory of the key to life. Hypnosis has been known to draw out memories that we otherwise would never be able to recall, including details. Add that to the power of the machine being used it makes sense that the way to defeat it was to distract them with their other memories.
Best line in this video "I like evil women" I totally resemble that remark.
If Tennant, visited Adric... 😂😂😂
Where? Trakken? Logopolis?
Assuming returning to E-space, is not an option
The actor who played Luke was at "university" so he coud study for his GCSEs and he just so happened to go to my brothers school, just across the road from mine to do that
Honestly the Shansheeth got those really pretty names. They're not super alien sounding they're just super pretty.
@Mark nope. Azure is beautiful.
I honestly liked it more than Wedding of Sarah Jane
This is one of the earliest pieces of Dr Who related media I watched and it's nice to see your review. I hope all is going well.
Wait! Santiago Jones is played by Finn Jones....aka Iron Fist
aka Loras Tyrell ;) :D
Such a bittersweet episode. Your reviews are always 100% on point! I can’t wait to see you absolutely critique series 6 haha - I agree with all your opinions on the Smith era. I wish we could have seen more RTD writing for 11 somehow! I’m glad we got a glimpse of it here. Thank you for keeping it real Harbo!
RTD is just another Chibnall.
You've opened up a door by reviewing one episode, now you've (hopefully) got to do more. This show was very mature and never treated the kids like idiots, any of the trickster episodes are the best.
We obviously can't have Torchwood anymore because of barrowman
I would love to see the torchwood crew minus barrowman hooking up with Luke, Rani and Clyde to spin off Dr Who again
As you mentioned it it would be interesting to look back at Primeval.
Sooooo underrated, it was quite a good show. I loved the site 333 ending, it kind of links into the future city doomed future. The original team getting lost in time and the rest being in over their heads.
The shows 3rd season ending was ended amazingly well
So the only two main series Doctors RTD hasn't written for are Capaldi and Whitaker... something that isn't going to change any time soon.
Unless the 60th has anything to say
Whitaker has high chance to be in the 60th anniversaire but for capaldi, yeah it's not going to change any time soon 😥
@@hello.hi.5634 At least he got to be in the 50th
@@hello.hi.5634 what happened with capaldi?
@@notapplicable6985 he said that he didn't want to return
Thanks for pointing out the actor from Primeval I thought she looked familiar
Sarah Jane will always be the gold standard of companions 🌟❤️😔
There's a serious continuity error in this 2-part episode. Clyde and Rani were confined to Earth by the Judoon at the start of series 3, but Clyde was still able to swap places with The 11th Doctor. How?! Wasn't The Doctor on another planet at the time of the swap?
"They don't like to be reminded of their persistent loneliness as friends come and go." I am afraid you have missed a huge point of the Doctor's character.
Zoe Herriot. Her future isn't there anymore.
Somewhere in Three's longterm assistance of Earth's technological development, he changed history without realizing it. And created a future in which he can never see her again. That is the reason he hates goodbyes. Because they mean admitting that his actions have removed his friends from history without realizing it. Better to pretend that they're all still out there.
Which is the reason I despise the curtain call farewell tour to everyone everywhere by Ten. Because it catered to fan nostalgia at the expense of the character himself.
I really hope you continue the torchwood review and I somebody should review the Sarah Jane adventures and I really wish the episodes from series 5 that never aired come to big finish.
I have seen multiple comments asking for it and I am going to join them. Primeval review series, please 🙏
It was a really, really, bloody lovely episode, wasn't it?
I'd love too see one of the companions from SJA become a Doctor Who companion.
Also it's with the companion from that regeneration something special they did being the longest one to date It's only fitting they says goodbye because these companions have been through So many world ending events and Adventures and some of which he even fell in love with It would be wrong for him to not say goodbye it would be in character but wrong and he knows that by now that's something he learned over time Is that when someone asks you to stay for tea sometimes you should
I find it funny that Russell got to do the Alien Bodies-esque plot before Steven got to do it.
I loved SJA. Maria's Dad was a legend.
AKA When RTD wrote for Matt Smith.
If I was Chibnall I would make the rogue UNIT officer scheme a plot of the Grand Serpent
Are you planning on doing a review for Children of Earth at any point this year?
I can never find SJA anymore. It's not on BBC iPlayer so I have to search a lot for episodes
It's on Britbox. (You have to pay, but it's all there.)
I really missed the nuance of this episode as a kid because I had recently learnt about how Vultures piss down their own legs for hygiene and kept expecting the bird aliens to do it.
Did Russel get the idea for Torchwood: Miracle Day from that stop all deaths thing from Jo’s brain?
Harbo keeps bringing up Primeval. I have to believe this is foreshadowing
I love the nod to A Charitable Earth ... Dorothy McShane founder and CEO of a world leading charitable organization .... until one day a strange man knocks on her door with a question mark umbrella and she is once again Ace!
I would love to see some primeval reviews in the future if that's something you would enjoy doing. But not sure there would be enough room in the top rank for all the eps ;)
Finally, someone whom acknowledges the existence of that show
I loved that show when I was younger. I re-watched the first 3 seasons recently and still loved it
@@dpdrawings2508 me too! I was surprised how well all the writing held up, the CGI was a bit up and down though but that's to be expected
What I don't understand everyone says the doctor came back only three times it was fourth in the five doctors. I know he didn't exactly comeback for her she was pulled to galifrey but it still counts.
No. He and Romana was traped in a time storm, they never show in The Five Doctors.
"I thought I'd dip my toes back into the show *one final time* " i hope ur joking...!!
Funny you should mention Jim Henson, a Farscape episode called "out of their minds" features aliens that look almost identical to the ones in this SJA episode.
Coincidence?
One of the things I didn't like about this episode is the negative message it accidentally makes. Sarah Jane's first and pretty much only reaction to the Doctor's death is complete denial, which is obviously an unhealthy response to a death. But in the end it turns out she was obviously correct and justified to be in denial. They weren't going to actually kill the doctor off-screen in a spin off show, and I'm not saying they should have. It just unintentionally gives off this strange little message that validates the unhealthy reacition of denial towards the death of a loved one
Oh my god, it's Loras Tyrell!
Growing up this was a legendary crossover event
I loved Sarah Jane s great show.
SJA is the most consistently high quality Whoniverse show and I don’t think it’s close; it’s fantastic!
I’m going on break at work so I can watch this ASAP
You name dropped Primeval, now you have to review it, it's the law.... Please ;u;
The idea that 10 went to every companion before regenerating is a bit silly to me, it would be nice to think that he just occasionally drops in on companions to make sure they're getting on ok.
would u do a mini review of "Farewell Sarah Jane" i'd love to hear ur opinion from first viewing til now, they didnt need to make it but was wonderful none the less
I know you say boiling children alive is dark for this show but earlier in the series, 2 kids were presumably killed by a slitheen kid so he could wear their skins
Whenever anyone says something like “closer and closer” there is a voice in my head that says “Smelly getting closer, closer and closer!”
Stop hinting primeval and give us the review already Harbo I will keep asking ( ps love the videos )
5:19 a little correction she met the doctor 4 times, I imagine you forgot Journeys End
(Could also be 5 if you include the cameo in end of time) :))
School Reunion, Journey's End, Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith.
I didn't count Death of the Doctor because she hadn't encountered him again when that scene took place
@@HarboWholmes ahhh, makes sense now! Cheers for the clarification :))
No worries!
Yes I do remember this, can't wait to rewach this story.
No sympathy for Santiago. He called the Falkland Islands “the Malvinas”. He deserved to be miserable.
I can just never see 11 and Sarah Jane Smith, would like to see 9 and SJS
Well that's the beauty of regeneration.
10:20 Wouldn't they have remembered the original TARDIS key as oppose to the modern one?
Yep
Ok, when you realize how far advanced Timelord sience is ahead of humanity... like I'm reminded of this fact... You ever see the Doctor make a key? It's like a key is made simply by thought ... So it's not to far that another race could make a key .. especail if it was from a companion .. plus that a Tardis is a huge amount of energy ... And thoughts / ideas or mind energy are massive .. A quoet A Tardis is as expacive as the mind it self...
The doctor would be happy during 2 ways no one knowing hes dead or the entire universe having a party With all the past tthems invited
He went to see all his companions because the 11th doctor would of been his last life if it wasn't for Clara. Not gonna count the timeless child
It would've been more funny, I believe, if the memory weave had worked only for them to get a misshapen lump of metal - the Doctor has changed the locks and keys more than a few times
i want you to Review class EP 1 at least, because the doctor (capaldi) is there
I absolutely love Elisabeth sladen. She is so missed
Can the evil emu’s meet the pakoo’s and be eaten by them
Bloody loved this show .mostly because of lis sladen ..makes me more exited that Russell is coming back ..shame Sarah Jane can't ..
I wonder if RTD will revisit the Bannerman Road gang. I have an idea for a continuation series for them, which I've been trying to give to him. WDYT?
@@jamesholmes6506 I have to say I'm not keen on continuing without Sarah ..maybe bring back a new romana .can't think why he never did .
@@jamesholmes6506 apparently. If sja would've carried on he would v.introduce ace .that would've been great
@@nickmorrell3559 A new Romana series would've worked much better than the blasphemous nonsense we got for the past few years.
Not continuing? Why? I was thinking of a series that picks up on her nearest and dearest, where they reunite, move into 13 Bannerman Road, and decide carry on her work after going through rough patches in their lives. Interested and want to hear more?
@@nickmorrell3559 I wasn't keen on the Ace woman, being honest. I've watched a few classic clips on UA-cam and episodes on TV, and she's just not my cup of tea.
I know you find it tough to review SJA so how about to top it like a mini trilogy, you review the first episode Invasion of the Bane?
First of all it wasn’t actually canceled not the way you make it sound SJA went off the air because the person who was is lead the person who played Sarah Jane died suddenly and for that reason and that reason alone the show ended in fact during corona they actually doing a funeral friend Sarah Jane in which members of Doctor Who in the Seratine chronicles adventures said their goodbyes including her son and Sanjay are now a proper couple and they’re saying their goodbyes together I think they even have a kid if I remember correctly and he can’t guarantee that I do. So don’t say canceled went off the air because it’s lead character died know me actress I should say the character also down because well that’s the web about it and couldn’t have something replacer.
Its loras Tyrell from game of thrones!
Because of the shows cancellation ? YOU MEAN LIZ SLADENS DEATH , yeah that [Death of the MAIN CARACHTER IRL] might have put a Dempner on things , bit insensitive.
Thanks for this. I really matters.
Wait sarah from primeval? Fuck yeah
Review of Primeval when??
when are we getting torchwood children of earth
For me this is the weaker doctor story in sja. Mostly because it feels less like SJA like the doctor is the one driving it rather than the actual sja characters. In 10s episode it felt more like the doctor popping and giving the kids a hand whereas this felt like he popped in took over and the kids never got a look in.
That’s because he’s Peter Pan remember that peter pan for thought about when do too
I thought that it said SJWs killed Doctor Who, and was very interested for a second, still a great video.
Iron Fist is canon to Doctor Who
so who is SJA???????????????