It looks like we need new standards, these ideas are great, but common ground is needed to maintain compatibility between vendors. Very cool looking setup.
I could see this as a prebuilt setup. The only problem you are tied up to a single upgrade path unless other manufacturers follow this kind of power delivery
You can still plug a regular graphics cards into that weirdo motherboard and just not use the built-in power delivery, you just can't plug that weirdo graphics cards into a regular motherboard. But if you're getting it in a prebuilt I'm not seeing much of an issue with that, I tend to upgrade my graphics card up to twice as often as my motherboard anyway. It just see it as a being a bit unnecessary, but maybe I'm just a different generation if I can look at wires and shrug my shoulders. What kind of beef are ya'll having with wires?
@@Turbobuttes The issue is the connector for the Nvidia 4000 series that were burning up at the connector. Less cables is a cleaner look and less clutter, also means more air flow.
You know for these days..-.. I thought we would be 4k streaming the HDMI output of a gaming rig on a company datacenter to our 4k TV...... and controlling that "PC" with some type of cheap monthly rented terminal with mouse/keyboard... i will probably pay for that... because is no way in hell i can afford a gaming rig .. and i am pretty sure is millions of people in my situation..-..
Gordon is clearly exerting every fiber of his being to present this piece so enthusiastically seeing as he's probably THE person at PCWorld who's least concerned with looks and wires.
I have been in IT for 25+ years. This will hopefully take off. It isn't a hard change to make for manufacturers and it's a clean setup. I always wondered why they didn't do this in the first place. And back of board wiring I have done this for decades as much as I can. I buy longer wires or whatnot. With hydro and this the system would be very clean which means more heat dispersion which is good. So hopefully they do these changes permanently.
i love this concept more than i can put into words. we can only hope the benefits of these ideas are compelling enough to eventually turn into everyday standards we take for granted. i wish this had happened years ago!
Asus, so far have the cleanest implementation of cableless gpu among other brands. But, I wish it is part of the PCIe standard instead, I don't mindi if the PCIe slot will be as long as legacy PCI 64-bit slot. lol
I wouldn't define myself as a casual but I would definitely buy this. When I build a new gaming pc I pick everytime everything from the ground up and I never switch things back and forth except for storage
This will also help with small form factor builds. Though I am wondering how they will would route it with the motherboard parallel orientation, instead of the usual perpendicular orientation.
This is the best implementation i have seen so far. I still think they should have 90 plugs or adapters on the box for people with not so deep back panel areas but I like the power slotting into the board instead of being a cable in the back. And if this is already something being done in the server space I would like it more.
The interesting part was when he said server connector. As long as the same conenctor technology has been taken from servers and implemented into mainstream desktops it should work well. We just need standardisation now, which may come pretty soon.
You know for these days..-.. I thought we would be 4k streaming the HDMI output of a gaming rig on a company datacenter to our 4k TV...... and controlling that "PC" with some type of cheap monthly rented terminal with mouse/keyboard... i will probably pay for that... because is no way in hell i can afford a gaming rig .. and i am pretty sure is millions of people in my situation. -..
Years ago when i was struggling plugging in the CPU pcie cables, i was just wondering whay aren't these socket face to the back. Now they are actually doin it. But i hope mobo price gonna be ok.
The main issue will be that you will then have 600w extra going through the motherboard. The quality of ICs, capacitors, mosfets and VRMs are gonna have to be top noth along with realiblity of the soldering.
Is this really tested? The distance between pcb trace is concerning for high power gpu like rtx 4090. Any detailed information as the maximum power this connector can do
I dont' feel good about 600w of gpu power ALSO pushing through the motherboard on top of a beefy CPU. If they cut corners, I can see "fire" being a part of the equation.
produce a successor to pci express with a 1000 watt limit per port so that all the energy can be transferred from the motherboard through pci express to the gpu
This is the worst new trend I've seen today. The biggest issue with this is the lack of compatibility with standard components. Was anyone asking for this? In all likelihood, this will be a way to lock people into an expensive ecosystem of overpriced non-standard components.
What if it becomes a standard ? What if all thr manufacturers will adopt this because people want a cleaner, better looking setup with better heat dissipation ?! Im sure that in 3-4 years all motherboards will have this feature !
If there was "A war on cables" I would only need a single cable, and a SINGLE connection path: One cable, from the power supply to the board, that's it.... Except you still have: Fan cables Pump cables SATA cables Etc... There is no "war on cables". If anything, it's a war on *VISIBLE* cables. Or... "A war on the Custom Cable Mod Industry"
Great concept! I really like how the reversed connectors of the mobo allow us to move the cable mess to the other side. Much tidier look, easier access and better airflow over the components. The power-slot also seems like a good idea, and with the corresponding connector placed on the mobo's front it wouldn't require a specialized computer case.
No, I'm not getting a custom ASUS system. I don't like the company. This is such a TRAP it's pathetic. Everything is custom. I guess if you don't build your own system it doesn't matter, but ASUS didn't get rid of cables, they just changed where the cables go, and to have a connector off the MB means the MB has to deal with high voltage going across it. I don't see how that's better. It adds more complexity over a cable going straight from the PSU to the GPU. AND it costs more to do power delivery this way.
Shouldn't be to hard for an aftermarket manufacturer to make an adapter for the power to use graphics card in a conventional MB and vice versa. So no problem there.
the concept looks cool but i dont trust a full 500 watts power running through that pcb connector. Theres a reason why electrical plugs are seperated by plastic housing/cover. we need to see atleast 244hour stress test with max gpu power drawing from that pcb connector
ASUS should ship this card with additional traditional power connectors, so that you can choose. Put a nice cover on them and you won't even know they are there.
@@profosist even more than that, I blocked all the air vent, and it still didn't do anything. You're going to listen to some guy who has a team to do tests for him? So if some idiot messed up, you'll run with it instead of using your common sense?
yeah but this will become standard in the next years.....and the power deliverey maybe is better than the NVidia RTX 4000 class connector without having surprises. Thanks Gordon 💗
I hate to be "that guy" but i dont care about my PC looking good. I don't spend all day looking at my PC, I spend it looking at my monitor and what is displayed on screen.... this idea of having a "pretty" case is just pure autism. Does it have good airflow? yes or now? does it turn on, yes or no? do I get top end performance, yes or no? looks dont matter. they could make "industrial" looking parts that are all function no form and I would still buy it.
I like this idea - this should become a standard so you won't be restricted to one manufacturer. Not to mention that the ATX in general is outdated so we need such workarounds.
More energy that has to pass through the motherboard.... Will we not create problems later like motherboards burning, as it is already fashionable to burn hardware material.
This is a weird setup that just... What the fπck is going on with this build? 0:23 1. No rear fan? 2. That CPU pump cable looks like its pulled pretty tight to wrap around to the back of the board... Maybe they'll fix that in a future revision? 3. Who broke the lights on the upper left radiator fan?! Is that a "safety rope" for the water lines or..... Cables? 0:53 1. The power supply is mounted DIRECTLY behind the CPU.... Why? 2. Where does that PSU exhaust it's heat exactly? 3. These are ALL Asus parts: motherboard, PSU, etc... Supposedly designed SPECIFICALLY for "cable management".... Why in the holy hell are those cables so LONG?! 3a. I feel bad for the connectors supporting all that useless, free hanging, dead cable weight honestly... 4. With all the fans exhausting into the cable & PSU compartment... Where is the outlet for heat exactly, especially for the PSU, once you close it up and put the back on? Is it a mesh panel?
@@Banzeken Oof my bad. Yeah, the early years of gpu has no cable. Hope next gen gpu nvidia 50-series & AMD 8000 series will adapt this feature hence bye bye 12vhpwr
I think it is going to be a bad idea to put the Graphics card power on the motherboard like this because of the heat and stress it is going to be a fire hazard. What about over clocking the Graphics card it is going to be very hot just not a good idea at all
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It looks like we need new standards, these ideas are great, but common ground is needed to maintain compatibility between vendors. Very cool looking setup.
I could see this as a prebuilt setup. The only problem you are tied up to a single upgrade path unless other manufacturers follow this kind of power delivery
You can still plug a regular graphics cards into that weirdo motherboard and just not use the built-in power delivery, you just can't plug that weirdo graphics cards into a regular motherboard. But if you're getting it in a prebuilt I'm not seeing much of an issue with that, I tend to upgrade my graphics card up to twice as often as my motherboard anyway. It just see it as a being a bit unnecessary, but maybe I'm just a different generation if I can look at wires and shrug my shoulders. What kind of beef are ya'll having with wires?
@@Turbobuttes People noadays are not skilled or qualified to corretly plug in a cable, because its hard 😆
@@Turbobuttes The issue is the connector for the Nvidia 4000 series that were burning up at the connector. Less cables is a cleaner look and less clutter, also means more air flow.
You know for these days..-.. I thought we would be 4k streaming the HDMI output of a gaming rig on a company datacenter to our 4k TV...... and controlling that "PC" with some type of cheap monthly rented terminal with mouse/keyboard... i will probably pay for that... because is no way in hell i can afford a gaming rig .. and i am pretty sure is millions of people in my situation..-..
@@h0rk3d then the older upgrade path would be obsolete
If they make this into a standard, then I'm all for it.
Gordon is clearly exerting every fiber of his being to present this piece so enthusiastically seeing as he's probably THE person at PCWorld who's least concerned with looks and wires.
😂😂😂
Having flashbacks to my beloved old 750 ti Strix card. No connector, ran off the 35W from the slot.
I have been in IT for 25+ years. This will hopefully take off. It isn't a hard change to make for manufacturers and it's a clean setup. I always wondered why they didn't do this in the first place. And back of board wiring I have done this for decades as much as I can. I buy longer wires or whatnot. With hydro and this the system would be very clean which means more heat dispersion which is good. So hopefully they do these changes permanently.
i love this concept more than i can put into words. we can only hope the benefits of these ideas are compelling enough to eventually turn into everyday standards we take for granted. i wish this had happened years ago!
Asus, so far have the cleanest implementation of cableless gpu among other brands. But, I wish it is part of the PCIe standard instead, I don't mindi if the PCIe slot will be as long as legacy PCI 64-bit slot. lol
I can’t wait for fully hidden cables 24 pin and gpu especially
I wouldn't define myself as a casual but I would definitely buy this. When I build a new gaming pc I pick everytime everything from the ground up and I never switch things back and forth except for storage
This will also help with small form factor builds. Though I am wondering how they will would route it with the motherboard parallel orientation, instead of the usual perpendicular orientation.
This is the best implementation i have seen so far. I still think they should have 90 plugs or adapters on the box for people with not so deep back panel areas but I like the power slotting into the board instead of being a cable in the back. And if this is already something being done in the server space I would like it more.
1:35 why do you have 3 hands ✋. Teach me this magic
The interesting part was when he said server connector.
As long as the same conenctor technology has been taken from servers and implemented into mainstream desktops it should work well.
We just need standardisation now, which may come pretty soon.
Very nice idea, but happens if you want to use a new GPU without having to buy a motherboard? is there any adapter that can be bought for such cases?
That GPU cableless power connector will also help with GPU sag
Agree nobody likes saggy anything
The screw points on the end of GPU what really help with sag
You know for these days..-.. I thought we would be 4k streaming the HDMI output of a gaming rig on a company datacenter to our 4k TV...... and controlling that "PC" with some type of cheap monthly rented terminal with mouse/keyboard... i will probably pay for that... because is no way in hell i can afford a gaming rig .. and i am pretty sure is millions of people in my situation. -..
@@Ramdileo_sys you do not need a gfx card at 1000$ to play games
@@mikkelnielsen888 by this days i thought i will not need any graphics card or PC.. that's my point...
The motherboard is incompatible in alot of cases.
Facts
this is pretty sweet, if this is the future I'll definitely be looking to build this way
Years ago when i was struggling plugging in the CPU pcie cables, i was just wondering whay aren't these socket face to the back. Now they are actually doin it. But i hope mobo price gonna be ok.
1:42 those are not giant ground for god sake those are the power delivery with one of the pins as ground the other connector is signal
OK for a 4070, but what about the full power of a 4090 card , or duel cards even, dont know if i would trust that much power going through the board
I'm now convinced an external power brick for the GPU is the way to go. With the power port right out the back and out of the way.
as a gaming laptop user i'd say it is a bad idea from all perspectives.
What’s its SOC voltage? Too soon?
This is epic I want one of those boards for the rear ports and the power connector. that’s slick af ❤
The main issue will be that you will then have 600w extra going through the motherboard. The quality of ICs, capacitors, mosfets and VRMs are gonna have to be top noth along with realiblity of the soldering.
I would prefer the standard connectors on the back of the card and a slot/opening for cables in the back of the case.
Just for the price of a 4070ti and need a motherboard with a starting price of just 1K$
Please bring it into production! I want to buy this now!!!!!!!!!
Is this really tested? The distance between pcb trace is concerning for high power gpu like rtx 4090. Any detailed information as the maximum power this connector can do
is that a 360 AIO from tuf? how much? when is it available in germany?
Is the custom Tuf GT502 ?
I dont' feel good about 600w of gpu power ALSO pushing through the motherboard on top of a beefy CPU. If they cut corners, I can see "fire" being a part of the equation.
Being ASUS, you might blow something up. The Mobo, the CPU, or the GPU at this point.
question:
how much the Asus Mobo with that high voltage PCIE power slot?
How about this for an idea.
Making gpus super small and 100w or less, then connect with usb c
No worries, you'll still have the support bracket/stand to look at.
so technically, you would still need atleast 750-800w psu in order for mobo to provide 600w to gpu?
As there is a wire dangling in the top of the case.
produce a successor to pci express with a 1000 watt limit per port so that all the energy can be transferred from the motherboard through pci express to the gpu
This is the worst new trend I've seen today. The biggest issue with this is the lack of compatibility with standard components. Was anyone asking for this? In all likelihood, this will be a way to lock people into an expensive ecosystem of overpriced non-standard components.
What if it becomes a standard ? What if all thr manufacturers will adopt this because people want a cleaner, better looking setup with better heat dissipation ?! Im sure that in 3-4 years all motherboards will have this feature !
i actually love the look of clean sleeved cables.
The ATX standard needs to evolve but for now they could put the GPU's power conectors on the back no problem.
It's great but we need standards if cases are going to support it
Proprietor solution that makes it hard to reuse parts in another build.
Now just your motherboard connector melts
atleast you have to buy both parts from ASUS, so they might let you off with one return, since they are fused together :D
I like it and if all mobo standard adopt this then it'll help future build to stay clean and upgrade path won't be an issue.
If this takes off, it will be pretty cool.
👍Thanks, cool. That must be some thick ass traces.
If there was "A war on cables" I would only need a single cable, and a SINGLE connection path:
One cable, from the power supply to the board, that's it....
Except you still have:
Fan cables
Pump cables
SATA cables
Etc...
There is no "war on cables".
If anything, it's a war on *VISIBLE* cables.
Or...
"A war on the Custom Cable Mod Industry"
They need a war on AIO tubes… those two tubes are messing up the entire esthetic, may be invert the cpu socket and put in in the back…
What people can not think of, not to use the usual 8-Pin connector. Hint: just make connectors and wires with a thicker wire section.
This would've been a better move on the Asus ProArt line
so if someone come up with PCI Express 32x standard ... this card is screwed. It will not happen though.
Great concept! I really like how the reversed connectors of the mobo allow us to move the cable mess to the other side. Much tidier look, easier access and better airflow over the components. The power-slot also seems like a good idea, and with the corresponding connector placed on the mobo's front it wouldn't require a specialized computer case.
That cracks and FIRE!
Unless it's made standard, it's not gonna work
No, I'm not getting a custom ASUS system. I don't like the company.
This is such a TRAP it's pathetic. Everything is custom. I guess if you don't build your own system it doesn't matter, but ASUS didn't get rid of cables, they just changed where the cables go, and to have a connector off the MB means the MB has to deal with high voltage going across it. I don't see how that's better. It adds more complexity over a cable going straight from the PSU to the GPU.
AND it costs more to do power delivery this way.
They hit the jackpot
Mac pro connector on atx mb nice
AGP Pro did this already over 20 years ago :)
Shouldn't be to hard for an aftermarket manufacturer to make an adapter for the power to use graphics card in a conventional MB and vice versa. So no problem there.
Dam looks clean but prices must be crazy
Unless this becomes a standard adopted in to the PCI-SIG specifications it will never catch on
The most important thing is that they don't label them terribly so people get confused
Id prefer them to upgrade the CPU power connectors to also supply power to the GPU. Less plugs = cheaper manufacturing
atbe this could solve RTX4090 power delivery connector melting problem....
the concept looks cool but i dont trust a full 500 watts power running through that pcb connector. Theres a reason why electrical plugs are seperated by plastic housing/cover. we need to see atleast 244hour stress test with max gpu power drawing from that pcb connector
This is pretty good. No, everyone else should come together and adopt a common standard
This should become a standard. I really like the idea. 12VHPWR needs to go.
The industry is moving towards non-standard specifications..this is bad..at least my 2 cents..
exactly, every step away from the norm to gain more sales and waste more working tech is ridiculous.
ASUS should ship this card with additional traditional power connectors, so that you can choose. Put a nice cover on them and you won't even know they are there.
That is an awesome setup! Would definitely do this for my next build, just not going go with Asus. Hope MSI or ASRock could do this in the future.
completly irrelevant feature. only for pushing sales and making hardware incompatible with other.
@@mikkelnielsen888 I agree, but if would be awesome if other manufactures could do this and possibly with compatibility with each other that.
What a coincidence, my pitchfork doesn't have any cables either. Here we go....!
A simple solve for compatibility would be to include an adapter from the custom connector to 3x8pin/12VHPWR with the GPU box
No cables on CPU side means free air flow means a little bit better cooling to RAM and NVME.
linus tech tips has a video where they intentionally did the worst cable management possible and it barely affected temperatures
@@XMansive even more than that Luke just stuff the case with random stuff and it still didn't do anything substantial
@@profosist even more than that, I blocked all the air vent, and it still didn't do anything. You're going to listen to some guy who has a team to do tests for him? So if some idiot messed up, you'll run with it instead of using your common sense?
@@profosist I dunked my PC in the tub it barely affected the air flow through the case.
@@chrisaronson so you don't even know what video it was then cause there wasn't a team for testing back then.
Some of you all really are butt hurt...
reminds me of some very old mobo's .. from back in the dos days.
Will that MB blow up the CPU?
it looks like a Mac pro GPU without a PCIe power cable.
Seriously? Who cares what Asus is doing? I'm not going to buy anymore Asus products for a long time.
they always try their BS features to sell, bluetooth, wifi, sli,hidden power connector to force gfx card sales from their own stock, and so on.
This needs to be a new standard.
I can see people in the future will end up with finding that the motherboard, gpu and psu they have bought are not compatible with each other.
They also make MB's that explode.
Now if Asus would just stop breaking the law and give warranty support.
This would work if this became more standardized in the coming years.
yeah but this will become standard in the next years.....and the power deliverey maybe is better than the NVidia RTX 4000 class connector without having surprises. Thanks Gordon 💗
Should have been done years ago. With all of the cable problems. Awesome job Asus.👍
Still have that awful looking 5v cable coming off the pump head and just dragging across the MB lol
its taken them 10000 years to do this
Oh now I see a burning Motherboards connectors instead of GPU connectors xD
I hate to be "that guy" but i dont care about my PC looking good. I don't spend all day looking at my PC, I spend it looking at my monitor and what is displayed on screen.... this idea of having a "pretty" case is just pure autism. Does it have good airflow? yes or now? does it turn on, yes or no? do I get top end performance, yes or no? looks dont matter. they could make "industrial" looking parts that are all function no form and I would still buy it.
I like this idea - this should become a standard so you won't be restricted to one manufacturer.
Not to mention that the ATX in general is outdated so we need such workarounds.
Atx is not dated, and a lot of cabinets would become unuseable. This is wrong.
More energy that has to pass through the motherboard.... Will we not create problems later like motherboards burning, as it is already fashionable to burn hardware material.
OK gordon. My gt 1030 doesn't need powercables either 👌👌
This is a weird setup that just...
What the fπck is going on with this build?
0:23
1. No rear fan?
2. That CPU pump cable looks like its pulled pretty tight to wrap around to the back of the board... Maybe they'll fix that in a future revision?
3. Who broke the lights on the upper left radiator fan?!
Is that a "safety rope" for the water lines or..... Cables?
0:53
1. The power supply is mounted DIRECTLY behind the CPU.... Why?
2. Where does that PSU exhaust it's heat exactly?
3. These are ALL Asus parts: motherboard, PSU, etc... Supposedly designed SPECIFICALLY for "cable management"....
Why in the holy hell are those cables so LONG?!
3a. I feel bad for the connectors supporting all that useless, free hanging, dead cable weight honestly...
4. With all the fans exhausting into the cable & PSU compartment...
Where is the outlet for heat exactly, especially for the PSU, once you close it up and put the back on? Is it a mesh panel?
I kind of like he look of some cables. This isn't the correct trend. We just need to get rid of excessive RGB.
Say hello to more proprietary hardware! Really cool though.
This is the future
The past called. It wants its cable-less GPUs back ;^)
@@Banzeken Oof my bad. Yeah, the early years of gpu has no cable. Hope next gen gpu nvidia 50-series & AMD 8000 series will adapt this feature hence bye bye 12vhpwr
I think it is going to be a bad idea to put the Graphics card power on the motherboard like this because of the heat and stress it is going to be a fire hazard. What about over clocking the Graphics card it is going to be very hot just not a good idea at all
This mobo looks sick
Not a fan. At least for sff builds. Keep eveything on the one side of the board so you dont need clearance on both sides.
You can't melt the connector if there is no connector. Big Brain