My PHEV gets roughly 35.5 mpg. combination highway and streets with a full charge of 33 miles which takes approximately 12 hours. What I like is EV assist when driving on streets. I get approximately 600 miles per tank with full charge every day.
If you are using the trip computer to determine that 35.5 mpg, it is NOT all from EV mode. The vehicle trip computer simply shows miles traveled per gallon of gasoline used and does not take into account miles traveled using EV only. If you are traveling on EV only, it will show and infinite mpg since you are traveling miles without using any gasoline. The vehicle computer is miles per GALLON OF GASOLINE USED
Wow I can’t believe Mazda came to the hybrid/PHEV party ! The CX90 PHEV has definitely got my attention. Currently drive a CX 9, Absolutely love it. Just love the way Mazdas drive.
There is no break even point for the PHEV. Side by side a PHEV goes 25 miles on one charge while the inline 6 requires 1 gallon of gas to go the same 25 miles. After that, they both operate on ICE and get 25 mpg combined fuel economy. The PHEV has a 17.8 Kwh battery. While it may only utilize 80% of the battery to minimize degradation, it would require ~ 16 Kw to recharge fully considering charging inefficiencies. My electric rate including surcharges, taxes, etc, is 20 cents per Kw and that is below many regions of the country. That means it would cost me $3.20 to charge the battery and I just filled up at $3,27 per gallon. That does not even take the added cost of the PHEV into consideration.
@@clarkkent9080 my effective rate including service charge is $0.071/kWh in Washington state (Tacoma, Elmhurst Mutual Power). At this price is does make a lot more sense. However, a full EV would be more viable as they tend to be more efficient with their kWh usage than PHEV’s. This Mazda seems to only get 1.6mi/kWh which is worse than the Hummer EV. I digress, so at my electricity rates, and let’s say a 78kwh battery pack of your average every level EV, would be $5.66 to fully charge. That’s about 10x cheaper than it is to fill up our Highlander with Costco gas. Edit: you’re also at much cheaper gas costs where you are, as our average cost for 87 is close to $4.20 here for Costco gas.
@@Jmort93 Western Canada and the pacific Northwest (hydro power) are the only places in North America where it may have a break even point. Your gas costs are based on your distance from refinery supplies. At $4.20 per gallon and $1.14 per charge, you save $3.06 per charge. Assuming 5 charges a week that works out to $796 per year. Your break even point for that $4,000 PHEV option is 5 years. More if you count tax and loan interest. I am not against EVs or PHEVs. I just bring up that the CX-90 is the most inefficient PHEV (considering battery size and range) being sold today. The problem with the CX-90 inefficiency is placing an electric motor between the ICE and transmission. Chevy used that in their pickup truck years ago when they first tried electrification. While it was great for advertising , it failed to save any money for the consumer. Mazda is going to have to use better technology and design a transmission with an integrated motor generator...or use Toyota's EVT. In other parts of the country there is no break even point. If you have a 220 VAC charger installed, your break even point will be extended even more and that battery capacity will degrade over time and eventually fail sometime after 100K miles. All things to consider.
Mazdas are so underrated! Well, highly rated by professional reviewers, but not highly bought by consumers. If you are looking for a car or suv, be sure to test drive a comparable Mazda to see why reviewers rave about the interiors and drive quality. Also, check out the reliability ratings at CR. Mazdas should be on your short list.
I recently rented a CX-5 in Touring trim (one up from the bottom) with a Premium package. That car was so nice to ride in and fun to drive, I can only imagine what the upper trim levels are like (especially the top two trims that come with the turbo 2.5).
My price per kw for my home is only $0.0611 so it would only be $1.07 to charge the 17.8kwh battery pack. My commute is 22 miles per day total, so that means that if I can charge at home every night, I’d be paying roughly $20 per month, instead of my current gas costs of $120 per month. Now, if gas prices ever go back down to 2020 levels, this would be far less compelling. But as it stands, this really helps justify the costs.
The average cost of electricity is 0.14 per Kwh and that does not include the fees and taxes which brings that price closer to 0.17 per Kwh. For you, a pure EV would be better
First video that explains clearly what the HPEV is all about. Now I know I need the HPEV (despite wanting the inline 6) I like your review format. Subscribed.
The Lexus and CX-90 have the same battery size. The CX-90 goes 25 miles on electric only and the Lexus goes 37 miles on electric only. In most cases it costs more to charge the CX-90 than it saves in gas...all for only $4,000 premium
Lexus is not positioning properly in this competition. Nx and rx have become smaller. The worst part is that Rx has a smaller turbo engine, which makes more noise and annoying, so that is not luxury. I love Lexus, but I am disappointed in their new approach. I am considering this amazing suv with plug-in, after the test drive
I test drove this the other day after learning about the $7500 rebate lease loophole (we don’t qualify for the EV credit due to income). There is a lot to like, and the efficiency is obviously a huge selling point. My biggest gripe is the lack of storage. The center console is like 3 inches deep, WTH? And I couldn’t find any place to put my wallet/keys unless I used one of the cupholders. Compared to other 3 row SUVs, the storage in this is extremely minimal. Also, is there no remote start button on the key fob?
You are right, the storage / packaging is not the best. We discussed this with Mazda and the console is shallow due to transmission packaging and engine placement for better handling dynamics. Now there is a solve for remote start, the Mazda app will allow you to remote start from any distance.
@@TexasTruckChannel I’m pretty close to pulling the trigger on the PHEV PP, so I guess I’ll just have to be more minimalist with what I keep in the center console :).
I do not believe that the 7500 lease "credit" has anything to do with your income. Mazda is getting the credit and giving you a $7500 discount, at signing. Since you get the discount at the lease signing it is not even reported on your income tax form. If it was an actual credit, you would not get it until you get a refund on your taxes.
The PHEV travels 25 miles on EV only before switching to ICE with a combined fuel economy of 25 MPG. So, that PHEV ($4,000 option) only saves you 1 gallon of gasoline each time you charge it. In my area the cost to charge that large battery is almost equal to the cost for 1 gallon of gasoline. The PHEV will never break even.
@@roughjc I believe the I6 has the same features but at$4,000 less. Why lug around hundreds of pound of batteries, have all the complexity involved, and have to plugin and unplug if you are not saving money. I guess people do it for the environment but if it is coal that is producing the electricity even that is a wash
@@clarkkent9080 cost of electricity around here with taxes fees and surcharges is .13 cents a KWH, the PHEV function makes a lot of sense for us. It really needs a bit more range though. 50 miles of EV range would have been perfect.
Once you learn how to use the knob properly, there is zero issue using Carplay. The knob not only rotates it also moves left, right, up, down. Which makes it easy to navigate. Touch is pointless and just a distraction when you can just have your hand resting on the center armrest and the knob is right there. Have had my CX-50 for 4 days and I love the Knob. Came from a Tesla Model 3 so I was very used to touch.
I rented a CX-5 for 9’days recently; I’m not a fan of that dial. It’s safer to just touch the screen than manipulate the dial to pick something. (That is not a deal-breaker for me; a Mazda may be my next car.)
That 0-60 time is encouraging. Can’t wait to see what they get for 0-60 on the full 340 hp version. Especially because I plan to consider the 2-row CX-70 to replace my 2021 6. I’m assuming the non-PHEV, smaller, full 340 hp CX-70 will be in the low 5s 0-60.
I was like "Have you guy's never heard of a RAV4 Prime?". It says 84mph, but our only kicks it on at 87 mph, and you can floor it in EV without the engine coming on. No 3 row though, which is why I'm here. waiting for reviews of the X5 50e.
This video is the confirmation bias I need for my purchase, but I’m seeing inconsistencies with my CX-90 PHEV. Got the premium (non-plus) no rolling mirror, not getting anywhere near 50MPG reading on my cluster, and infotainment is not touch even in Apple CarPlay. Speaking of instrument cluster, mine is way different looking than in this video. Maybe software update since this upload… However, super happy with mine, and just minor nuances. One more thing, with the cost of electricity in San Diego, even off peak (non-solar), my $/mile is about the same to gas right now (about $0.17/mile). Slightly better mileage over the gas only version, but just want to let potential buyers know in case they do need that towing power to get the gas only. Check your rates to see if it’s worth the cost.
The EPA 50 MPGe is mean less. The CX-90 travels 25 miles on 15Kwh charge or 25 miles on one gallon of gasoline. So one gallon of gasoline equals one 15 Kwh battery charge. You know what one gallon of gasoline costs, now compare that to the cost for 15 Kwh of electricity to fully charge that battery
Swear, the first thing I do when I buy another Mazda is sell those damn Falkens and put Michellens. They can't even last 20K miles before needing a replacement.
The only problem with those tires is replacing them, they’re 21 inch so they’re going to cost about a minimum especially for the Michelin $385 apiece. Yes they will probably last about 60,000 if you’re lucky. It all depends how you drive it. If you drive it like you stole it then you’re going to be replacing tires very often. Yes I am all in favor of Michelin tires! Exceptional tires great value!
Great question, yes there is regenerative braking and engine charging. There are also charge modes and EV mode. The driver has a lot of control over it and when to charge or use EV only.
@@TexasTruckChannel How could it have regen braking? To do so, the ICE would have to shutdown as soon as you touch the brake as the electric motor is directly connected to the ICE. The clutches are downstream of the electric motor. That would mean that the electric motor/generator and ICE drag would provide braking?
CHARGE MODE Activated by a button on the center console. This mode will keep the gas engine engaged and prioritize charging the PHEV battery. This can fully charge the battery using the engine as a generator. Official
Is apple car play wireless and how does the AC work in EV mode? I’m in South Texas and when it’s 109° out and in EV mode does the motor idle to run the compressor, does it switch over to Hybrid automatically or does the compressor run off its own electric motor? My wife and I are planning on buying a CX90 but I’m just wondering how much EV driving she will really be able to do. Her round trip commute to work is 28 miles. I’m hoping we/she can go 750+ miles between fill ups.
I really want to love this Mazda but... 1. New Engine, 2. Turbocharged, 3. New Transmission, 4. New Plug in Hybrid/Tech.... would certainly not want to be the first model year beta tester. lol. And of course... significantly more expensive versus the regular gas model. Unless you got massive incentives to buy a plug in hybrid... skip... especially since just an anemic 25 miles or so in EV mode. Either get a full EV and significantly reduce the number of parts and maintenance or just get a good, fuel efficient gas car and save a crap ton of money. $4,000 to $7,500 sure buys a lot of gas.
This is a very cool car, but don't fluff us on the drivetrain, it's simply older, cheaper tech than the three motor generator eCVT drivetrain found on my Rav4 prime. You're again also off on the AC outlet, 1500w is becoming the norm. My wife and I are considering this vs the Grand Highlander, and leaning towards this
You would be surprised how rare the 1500w + outlets are. It’s silly. Although the grand highlander does have one, the sequoia does not. As far as the drivetrain goes, the 4cyl is carry over, everything else is brand new.
@@TexasTruckChannel it's newly designed, old tech, it would get at least 10 more mpg if it had a Toyota like eCVT drivetrain with no mechanical link to the rear diff.
@@G95G95 Mazda will be using the Toyota hybrid system in their vehicles in 2 years. You are correct in that the Toyota CVTe is a marvel of engineering and designed from the ground up as a hybrid/PHEV. Placing an electric motor between the ICE and transmission, like Mazda did is so antiquated. GM tried this over a decade ago and abandoned it as inefficient.
Men, we don't wear rings with diamonds, but women do wear big ass diamonds... I'm glad it Palisade has the "stupid" button, that way her rings don't scratch the paint...
That crank pulley looks like missing the serpentine belt:). The AC and the alternator must 've fed by battery directly. And that doesn't seem to be efficient.
@@TexasTruckChannel There is no break even point for the PHEV. Side by side a PHEV goes 25 miles on one charge while the inline 6 requires 1 gallon of gas to go the same 25 miles. After that, they both operate on ICE and get 25 mpg combined fuel economy. The PHEV has a 17.8 Kwh battery. While it may only utilize 80% of the battery to minimize degradation, it would require ~ 16 Kw to recharge fully considering charging inefficiencies. My electric rate including surcharges, taxes, etc, is 20 cents per Kw and that is below many regions of the country. That means it would cost me $3.20 to charge the battery and I just filled up at $3,27 per gallon. That does not even take the added cost of the PHEV into consideration.
There is no break even point for the PHEV. Side by side a PHEV goes 25 miles on one charge while the inline 6 requires 1 gallon of gas to go the same 25 miles. After that, they both operate on ICE and get 25 mpg combined fuel economy. The PHEV has a 17.8 Kwh battery. While it may only utilize 80% of the battery to minimize degradation, it would require ~ 16 Kw to recharge fully considering charging inefficiencies. My electric rate including surcharges, taxes, etc, is 20 cents per Kw and that is below many regions of the country. That means it would cost me $3.20 to charge the battery and I just filled up at $3,27 per gallon. That does not even take the added cost of the PHEV into consideration.
No. The EV battery provides only 25 miles more range than the non-PHEV. The video is very misleading since it does not take into account the cost to charge that massive battery which is in many cases more than the amount of gas saved. They got 25 miles of range on EV before it switched to ICE and 25 MPG there after. So at 50 miles, they used 1 gallon of gas or 50 MPG. If you drive 26 miles, you use 0 gallons of gas for the first 25 miles and 0.04 gallons for the next mile and the trip computer will display 650 MPG. I have commentated above but they say their title is not misleading.
@@brokenintel There is no free lunch. Yes in hybrid mode you get more than 25mpg indicated but that is because that 25 miles of EV range is being added into ICE mpg. When te ICE is recharging the battery it is using more gas. The bottom line is that placing an electric motor between ICE and the transmission, while simple is very inefficient. Many of these channels state that it has regen braking but cannot explain how that works. The electric motor/generator is directly connected to the ICE. For it to have regen braking, the ICE would have to shutdown every time you touch the brakes so that only the motor/generator is dragging on the drive train. Run a non-PHEV till the gas tank is empty and a PHEV till the tank is empty and the difference in range will be 25 miles. remember the PHEV has a 190 Hp ICE and is lugging around 700 lbs of battery and the non-PHEV has a 280 Hp ICE and is 700 lb less. Read the CX-60 forum and people in the UK are surprised to find that it cost less to just run on petrol and never charge the battery
@@brokenintel I should not have made that statement with out seeing actual driving data in hybrid mode. People buy hybrids to get better fuel economy in hybrid mode and PHEVs to save even more on gas by driving in EV mode only. With the smaller engine and more weight it all depends on how the system works. Like I said, one of the reasons I believe it is inefficient is that I do not believe it has regen braking. In any case there are many PHEVs with the same or smaller battery capacities that get much better EV only range and that means that the Mazda system is very inefficient in EV mode. And that inefficiency will show up in hybrid mode also. I really wanted the PHEV but knowing what I now know, it makes no sense to pay $4,000 more for something that does not save me money. There are many reasons for a PHEV but in the case of the CX-90, saving money is not one of them. There is a lot more to find out about this completely new vehicle before I spend 50+ thousands. I recommend reading the CX-60 forum as that version (same exact power trains) has been out in other markets for a few months. People who respond to forums are either very pleased with their purchase or very unhappy so you get both sides. You should always learn from your mistakes but it is better to learn from the mistakes of others. Otherwise I hope you enjoy whatever you get.
@@clarkkent9080 Question - You are supposing that someone chooses to run in full EV mode for the first 25miles, consuming the battery capacity, and there after only get 25 mpg on the gas engine - sort of an either or. This sort of makes sense if you live 10 miles from your work place. However my question is how does the computer decide to allocate load between the electric system and the gas engine in normal driving mode, not EV? Theoretically it could primarily apply electric benefit from zero to 20 or 30 mph and high demand situations like passing, and then cruise in a more gas engine mode and provide much more range than 25 miles and improved mileage. I believe several non plug in hybrid vehicles operate in this way and provide noticeable improved performance and also better overall mileage, with a much smaller battery and electric motor (I have experience with a Toyota Highlander Hybrid) I would like to know how far you can drive at 70 mph in normal drive mode before you have depleted the battery and what the overall mileage would be at that point?
You do not get 60 MPG in the PHEV. The CX-90 PHEV will travel 25 miles on one EV charge. After that it gets 25 MPG on ICE. So one EV charge is equal to 1 gallon of gas and in my area charging that battery cost to same as 1 gallon of gas. Here is why you think you get more MPG. Full battery and in 25 miles of range you use 0 gas. Drive 50 miles and the first 25 miles and you use 0 gallons of gas but the last 25 miles you use 1 gallon. So the trip computers calculates 50 miles driven on 1 gallon of gas or 50 MPG. I assume you checked the computer after driving less than 50 miles. If you drive 150 miles with the first 25 miles on EV you will use 5 gallons of gas and the trip computer will calculate 30 MPG and if you drive long enough it will approach 25 MPG. BTW, the PHEV cost $4,000 more and you will never come close to saving that extra cost
That’s right, and thats how we came to 60mpg. On our daily drive, accounting for the EV range, then gas mpg, we can go 60 miles on one gallon. Plug it back in at work, drive home, 60mpg again. If your distance between wall outlets is less your effective mpg would be higher.
@@TexasTruckChannel Agreed. But the simple fact is that charging that battery only gives you 25 miles of range and will never save you more than 1 gallon of gasoline compared to the CX-90 inline 6. A 17.8 Kwh battery with only 80% used is a net of 14.2 Kwh used. There are charger and battery inefficiencies so You are using 16 Kwh of electricity each time you charge. In my area (Georgia) I have a 16 cents per Kwh electric charge but when you add taxes and fees, I am paying 20 cents per Kwh. !6 Kwh X 0.20 cents per Kwh = $3.20 each time I charge that battery. Just filled up at $3.27 per gallon. Bottom line, you pay $4,000 (more if you consider tax and more if you don't pay cash) for the PHEV option and only save 7 cents per day you charge it. You can spin the numbers all you want but the CX-90 PHEV is the most inefficient PHEV on the market today.
@@TexasTruckChannel I have to add that there are many reasons for buying an EV, PHEV, or hybrid but in the case of the CX-90 saving money is not one of them. You will never save money driving the CX-90 PHEV and it will actually cost you thousands more. Given the facts, don't you see where claiming 60 mpg is misleading ? If you don't add that it only saves 1 gallon of gas per charge and your cost savings depends on the cost of 16 Kwh vs the cost of 1 gallon of gas you are intentionally misleading and that in legal terms is a lie.
I appreciate your input and thoughts on the cx90 Phev, and we are not arguing with you. We have been making these points for years. But, the simple answer is that this is not misleading. On our daily drive, it gets 60mpg. Yes it’s only saving you 1 gallon. But when your using 2 gallons on your drive, saving a gallon is a 50% increase. Also, when comparing the cheapest phev to the cheapest inline 6, yes it’s more expensive. When you compare a mid trim inline 6 to the phev they are the same (excluding any tax benefits). Mazda is not positioning the phev as the value option. And we are not implying that it is either. Thanks for watching and thanks for the good conversation.
@@TexasTruckChannel Now I have to disagree. The CX-90 inline 6 select is $7,850 less than the PHEV that starts at the Preferred trim. If you compare inline 6 preferred to PHEV preferred trim, that difference is $4,000. In Texas, you add at least 6.25% tax on that difference and even more if you take out a loan, that is money you will never recover. Your electric rates are even higher than mine so for you, there is little to no difference in EV vs gasoline only. Why do you not state the cost to charge the massive battery? And why not make a video on the fuel economy of the PHEV for someone who only drives 26 miles as that works out to 650 MPG and would certainly get more hits and according to you would not be misleading? I was very interested in the CX-90 PHEV but after researching the details the question is why would anyone want to buy that version? There are some that feel that electric is better for the environment than gasoline and that is fine but the PHEV only comes with leather. So my question is What in the Hell was Mazda thinking? You should read the CX-60 forum where people are surprised that in the UK, the PHEV cost more to charge than it would if simply run on petrol only. They get a vehicle with a 700 lb battery and an EV mode that is more costly and complex to use, for thousand ($$) more....what a great deal. I would think that people would value your channel more if you exposed the true inefficiencies of the PHEV and save them from buying one and being disappointed. But in the YT world, being honest and truthful is not the best way to gain subscribers and make $$. Most people believe everything they see on the internet and many will be very disappointed with this PHEV. Every other PHEV that I have researched is much more efficient than Mazda's. I love Mazda and as a small company they need to be very careful as major issues with the CX-60/70/8-/90 could spell their doom.
the CX90 battery is 17.8 and offical pure eletric range is only 26miles or 41km, that's pathetic, these crap cannot face real competition from Chinese bands in China market, that's why Mazda is almost dying in China
Hey Sleepy... Unlike pure EVs or conventional hybrids, plug-in hybrid-electric vehicles have electric ranges that are usually between 20 and 40 miles per charge and then revert to regular hybrid operation. Considering that the average person in the U.S. drives less than 40 miles per day, that means that some drivers will be able to do most of their daily travel on electric power as long as they plug in first while reserving the gas engine for longer trips. Hope this helps wake you up to the benefits of a PHEV vehicle.
@@spridge7 what you're missing is most people don't want to have to plug in and un plug every single time they drive their car. That gets old real fast. Most will get lazy and just use the PHEV as a hybrid. If they made it at least 40 miles then you could probably plug in every other day. This makes a huge difference in convenience especially when this Mazda costs nearly $70k out the door for the PHEV
@sleepy When gas is $6 a gallon you don't mind plugging it in so much. I had a Volt and plugged it in everyday and pretty much drove it 95% in EV mode. It was awesome. The main reason I sold it was because it was low to the ground and it was bothering my knees. Also it was really cramped in the back. Mazda hit a home run with this vehicle.
@@marklihsu the Volt got 50 miles per charge and still ran on gas. 25 miles just doesn't cut it anymore. Why bother with an entire electric drive train for 25 lousy miles? Ridiculous
My PHEV gets roughly 35.5 mpg. combination highway and streets with a full charge of 33 miles which takes approximately 12 hours. What I like is EV assist when driving on streets. I get approximately 600 miles per tank with full charge every day.
How many miles driven a day or between full charge up ?
If you are using the trip computer to determine that 35.5 mpg, it is NOT all from EV mode. The vehicle trip computer simply shows miles traveled per gallon of gasoline used and does not take into account miles traveled using EV only. If you are traveling on EV only, it will show and infinite mpg since you are traveling miles without using any gasoline. The vehicle computer is miles per GALLON OF GASOLINE USED
Wow I can’t believe Mazda came to the hybrid/PHEV party ! The CX90 PHEV has definitely got my attention. Currently drive a CX 9, Absolutely love it. Just love the way Mazdas drive.
Amen! We were very impressed with it, and the amount of control that the driver has over EV mode and charging.
There is no break even point for the PHEV. Side by side a PHEV goes 25 miles on one charge while the inline 6 requires 1 gallon of gas to go the same 25 miles. After that, they both operate on ICE and get 25 mpg combined fuel economy.
The PHEV has a 17.8 Kwh battery. While it may only utilize 80% of the battery to minimize degradation, it would require ~ 16 Kw to recharge fully considering charging inefficiencies. My electric rate including surcharges, taxes, etc, is 20 cents per Kw and that is below many regions of the country.
That means it would cost me $3.20 to charge the battery and I just filled up at $3,27 per gallon.
That does not even take the added cost of the PHEV into consideration.
@@clarkkent9080 my effective rate including service charge is $0.071/kWh in Washington state (Tacoma, Elmhurst Mutual Power). At this price is does make a lot more sense.
However, a full EV would be more viable as they tend to be more efficient with their kWh usage than PHEV’s. This Mazda seems to only get 1.6mi/kWh which is worse than the Hummer EV.
I digress, so at my electricity rates, and let’s say a 78kwh battery pack of your average every level EV, would be $5.66 to fully charge. That’s about 10x cheaper than it is to fill up our Highlander with Costco gas.
Edit: you’re also at much cheaper gas costs where you are, as our average cost for 87 is close to $4.20 here for Costco gas.
@@Jmort93 Western Canada and the pacific Northwest (hydro power) are the only places in North America where it may have a break even point. Your gas costs are based on your distance from refinery supplies.
At $4.20 per gallon and $1.14 per charge, you save $3.06 per charge. Assuming 5 charges a week that works out to $796 per year. Your break even point for that $4,000 PHEV option is 5 years. More if you count tax and loan interest.
I am not against EVs or PHEVs. I just bring up that the CX-90 is the most inefficient PHEV (considering battery size and range) being sold today. The problem with the CX-90 inefficiency is placing an electric motor between the ICE and transmission. Chevy used that in their pickup truck years ago when they first tried electrification. While it was great for advertising , it failed to save any money for the consumer. Mazda is going to have to use better technology and design a transmission with an integrated motor generator...or use Toyota's EVT.
In other parts of the country there is no break even point. If you have a 220 VAC charger installed, your break even point will be extended even more and that battery capacity will degrade over time and eventually fail sometime after 100K miles. All things to consider.
This is my type of review. Thanks guys!
This is our type of comment! Thanks for watching.
Just found your channel. Normally not a truck guy but am looking at a CX 90. Love the video guys!
I want one! 😊
Seriously, looks, and sounds, like another great Mazda. Excellent review, and looking forward to when you have it in Texas.
Mazda is on a roll!
Mazdas are so underrated! Well, highly rated by professional reviewers, but not highly bought by consumers. If you are looking for a car or suv, be sure to test drive a comparable Mazda to see why reviewers rave about the interiors and drive quality. Also, check out the reliability ratings at CR. Mazdas should be on your short list.
I recently rented a CX-5 in Touring trim (one up from the bottom) with a Premium package. That car was so nice to ride in and fun to drive, I can only imagine what the upper trim levels are like (especially the top two trims that come with the turbo 2.5).
This thing is the best available under $85k. Nice review, too!
My CX-90 PHEV arrives in five weeks. Looking forward to it . . .
Ordered my CX90 PHEV today. bought mainly to feel the 323 HP and 369 Torque in a large Vechicle. not so much for the gas savings.
My price per kw for my home is only $0.0611 so it would only be $1.07 to charge the 17.8kwh battery pack. My commute is 22 miles per day total, so that means that if I can charge at home every night, I’d be paying roughly $20 per month, instead of my current gas costs of $120 per month. Now, if gas prices ever go back down to 2020 levels, this would be far less compelling. But as it stands, this really helps justify the costs.
The average cost of electricity is 0.14 per Kwh and that does not include the fees and taxes which brings that price closer to 0.17 per Kwh. For you, a pure EV would be better
First video that explains clearly what the HPEV is all about. Now I know I need the HPEV (despite wanting the inline 6) I like your review format. Subscribed.
This car is a bargain Top out at 60K. Heck the Lexus NX450H+ PHEV is $60K, a lot smaller than this Mazda.
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The Lexus and CX-90 have the same battery size. The CX-90 goes 25 miles on electric only and the Lexus goes 37 miles on electric only. In most cases it costs more to charge the CX-90 than it saves in gas...all for only $4,000 premium
Lexus is not positioning properly in this competition. Nx and rx have become smaller. The worst part is that Rx has a smaller turbo engine, which makes more noise and annoying, so that is not luxury.
I love Lexus, but I am disappointed in their new approach. I am considering this amazing suv with plug-in, after the test drive
I test drove this the other day after learning about the $7500 rebate lease loophole (we don’t qualify for the EV credit due to income). There is a lot to like, and the efficiency is obviously a huge selling point. My biggest gripe is the lack of storage. The center console is like 3 inches deep, WTH? And I couldn’t find any place to put my wallet/keys unless I used one of the cupholders. Compared to other 3 row SUVs, the storage in this is extremely minimal. Also, is there no remote start button on the key fob?
You are right, the storage / packaging is not the best. We discussed this with Mazda and the console is shallow due to transmission packaging and engine placement for better handling dynamics. Now there is a solve for remote start, the Mazda app will allow you to remote start from any distance.
@@TexasTruckChannel I’m pretty close to pulling the trigger on the PHEV PP, so I guess I’ll just have to be more minimalist with what I keep in the center console :).
That’s awesome! We hope you love it. And yes that console requires your inner self to keep it light.
I do not believe that the 7500 lease "credit" has anything to do with your income. Mazda is getting the credit and giving you a $7500 discount, at signing. Since you get the discount at the lease signing it is not even reported on your income tax form. If it was an actual credit, you would not get it until you get a refund on your taxes.
Great review, thank you. I've been looking for a complete review for PHEV trim because that's the one I am considering.
It’s a great option, we loved it. Thanks for watching.
The PHEV travels 25 miles on EV only before switching to ICE with a combined fuel economy of 25 MPG. So, that PHEV ($4,000 option) only saves you 1 gallon of gasoline each time you charge it. In my area the cost to charge that large battery is almost equal to the cost for 1 gallon of gasoline. The PHEV will never break even.
@@clarkkent9080 I agree. However, whoever can afford a $50k+ vehicle most likely is not doing it to break even. It's about more options.
@@roughjc I believe the I6 has the same features but at$4,000 less. Why lug around hundreds of pound of batteries, have all the complexity involved, and have to plugin and unplug if you are not saving money. I guess people do it for the environment but if it is coal that is producing the electricity even that is a wash
@@clarkkent9080 cost of electricity around here with taxes fees and surcharges is .13 cents a KWH, the PHEV function makes a lot of sense for us. It really needs a bit more range though. 50 miles of EV range would have been perfect.
Great review guys
Thanks!
Having owned one for a few weeks, you’re not charging 0-100% in 8 hours on 110. It’ll be at least more than 10.
Once you learn how to use the knob properly, there is zero issue using Carplay.
The knob not only rotates it also moves left, right, up, down. Which makes it easy to navigate. Touch is pointless and just a distraction when you can just have your hand resting on the center armrest and the knob is right there.
Have had my CX-50 for 4 days and I love the Knob. Came from a Tesla Model 3 so I was very used to touch.
Coming from a model 3 all buttons, knobs and switches are awesome. Enjoy the cx50, we are big fans of it.
I rented a CX-5 for 9’days recently; I’m not a fan of that dial. It’s safer to just touch the screen than manipulate the dial to pick something. (That is not a deal-breaker for me; a Mazda may be my next car.)
You are doing it wrong if you're not talking to it in Apple Carplay/Android Auto mode. You can do almost anything without using your hands at all.
That 0-60 time is encouraging. Can’t wait to see what they get for 0-60 on the full 340 hp version. Especially because I plan to consider the 2-row CX-70 to replace my 2021 6. I’m assuming the non-PHEV, smaller, full 340 hp CX-70 will be in the low 5s 0-60.
We are hoping for the same! Our Cx90 Inline6 review goes live tonight
Word on the street is that the CX70 will be the same size as the CX90 minus the third row seats
If you put it in off road mode you can get 0-60 in 5.6 sec
Great reviews. Sadly Lexus is losing on this. I may buy this
The Jeep Wrangler 4XE will also do over 75mph is EV only mode.
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I was like "Have you guy's never heard of a RAV4 Prime?". It says 84mph, but our only kicks it on at 87 mph, and you can floor it in EV without the engine coming on. No 3 row though, which is why I'm here. waiting for reviews of the X5 50e.
This video is the confirmation bias I need for my purchase, but I’m seeing inconsistencies with my CX-90 PHEV. Got the premium (non-plus) no rolling mirror, not getting anywhere near 50MPG reading on my cluster, and infotainment is not touch even in Apple CarPlay. Speaking of instrument cluster, mine is way different looking than in this video. Maybe software update since this upload… However, super happy with mine, and just minor nuances.
One more thing, with the cost of electricity in San Diego, even off peak (non-solar), my $/mile is about the same to gas right now (about $0.17/mile). Slightly better mileage over the gas only version, but just want to let potential buyers know in case they do need that towing power to get the gas only. Check your rates to see if it’s worth the cost.
The EPA 50 MPGe is mean less. The CX-90 travels 25 miles on 15Kwh charge or 25 miles on one gallon of gasoline. So one gallon of gasoline equals one 15 Kwh battery charge. You know what one gallon of gasoline costs, now compare that to the cost for 15 Kwh of electricity to fully charge that battery
I like it
Swear, the first thing I do when I buy another Mazda is sell those damn Falkens and put Michellens. They can't even last 20K miles before needing a replacement.
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The only problem with those tires is replacing them, they’re 21 inch so they’re going to cost about a minimum especially for the Michelin $385 apiece. Yes they will probably last about 60,000 if you’re lucky. It all depends how you drive it. If you drive it like you stole it then you’re going to be replacing tires very often. Yes I am all in favor of Michelin tires! Exceptional tires great value!
Is the only way to charge the battery is to plug it in? no regenerative charging ?
Great question, yes there is regenerative braking and engine charging. There are also charge modes and EV mode. The driver has a lot of control over it and when to charge or use EV only.
@@TexasTruckChannel How could it have regen braking? To do so, the ICE would have to shutdown as soon as you touch the brake as the electric motor is directly connected to the ICE. The clutches are downstream of the electric motor. That would mean that the electric motor/generator and ICE drag would provide braking?
CHARGE MODE
Activated by a button on the center console. This mode will keep the gas engine engaged and
prioritize charging the PHEV battery. This can fully charge the battery using the engine as a generator.
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Is apple car play wireless and how does the AC work in EV mode? I’m in South Texas and when it’s 109° out and in EV mode does the motor idle to run the compressor, does it switch over to Hybrid automatically or does the compressor run off its own electric motor? My wife and I are planning on buying a CX90 but I’m just wondering how much EV driving she will really be able to do. Her round trip commute to work is 28 miles. I’m hoping we/she can go 750+ miles between fill ups.
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I really want to love this Mazda but... 1. New Engine, 2. Turbocharged, 3. New Transmission, 4. New Plug in Hybrid/Tech.... would certainly not want to be the first model year beta tester. lol. And of course... significantly more expensive versus the regular gas model. Unless you got massive incentives to buy a plug in hybrid... skip... especially since just an anemic 25 miles or so in EV mode. Either get a full EV and significantly reduce the number of parts and maintenance or just get a good, fuel efficient gas car and save a crap ton of money. $4,000 to $7,500 sure buys a lot of gas.
It’s a good EV car if you want to explore EV but don’t want to deal with range anxiety and also get into the habit of charging
Is premium gas required or just suggested?
On the PHEV, 87 octane is all that is needed.
This is a very cool car, but don't fluff us on the drivetrain, it's simply older, cheaper tech than the three motor generator eCVT drivetrain found on my Rav4 prime.
You're again also off on the AC outlet, 1500w is becoming the norm.
My wife and I are considering this vs the Grand Highlander, and leaning towards this
You would be surprised how rare the 1500w + outlets are. It’s silly. Although the grand highlander does have one, the sequoia does not.
As far as the drivetrain goes, the 4cyl is carry over, everything else is brand new.
@@TexasTruckChannel it's newly designed, old tech, it would get at least 10 more mpg if it had a Toyota like eCVT drivetrain with no mechanical link to the rear diff.
@@G95G95 Mazda will be using the Toyota hybrid system in their vehicles in 2 years. You are correct in that the Toyota CVTe is a marvel of engineering and designed from the ground up as a hybrid/PHEV.
Placing an electric motor between the ICE and transmission, like Mazda did is so antiquated. GM tried this over a decade ago and abandoned it as inefficient.
Men, we don't wear rings with diamonds, but women do wear big ass diamonds... I'm glad it Palisade has the "stupid" button, that way her rings don't scratch the paint...
That crank pulley looks like missing the serpentine belt:). The AC and the alternator must 've fed by battery directly. And that doesn't seem to be efficient.
Stay tuned for our technical deep dive when we get it on loan back home 🤘
@@TexasTruckChannel There is no break even point for the PHEV. Side by side a PHEV goes 25 miles on one charge while the inline 6 requires 1 gallon of gas to go the same 25 miles. After that, they both operate on ICE and get 25 mpg combined fuel economy.
The PHEV has a 17.8 Kwh battery. While it may only utilize 80% of the battery to minimize degradation, it would require ~ 16 Kw to recharge fully considering charging inefficiencies. My electric rate including surcharges, taxes, etc, is 20 cents per Kw and that is below many regions of the country.
That means it would cost me $3.20 to charge the battery and I just filled up at $3,27 per gallon.
That does not even take the added cost of the PHEV into consideration.
depends on location, from where I am at, to recharge the 17.8 kwh battery cost about $1.02@@clarkkent9080
What is the battery size in this phev?
Does it qualify as zero emission vehicle in canada?
17.8 kWh. Not sure about the Canadian regulations.
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Does the battery recharge as you drive like a regular hybrid does?
Yes
It will keep around 20% of charge in the battery pack when the all electric range is at “zero.”
So whats the total gas electric range combined???
Pretty far
There is no break even point for the PHEV. Side by side a PHEV goes 25 miles on one charge while the inline 6 requires 1 gallon of gas to go the same 25 miles. After that, they both operate on ICE and get 25 mpg combined fuel economy.
The PHEV has a 17.8 Kwh battery. While it may only utilize 80% of the battery to minimize degradation, it would require ~ 16 Kw to recharge fully considering charging inefficiencies. My electric rate including surcharges, taxes, etc, is 20 cents per Kw and that is below many regions of the country.
That means it would cost me $3.20 to charge the battery and I just filled up at $3,27 per gallon.
That does not even take the added cost of the PHEV into consideration.
The total range of the PHEV is EXACTLY the same as the inline 6 plus 25 miles.
CX-90 PHEV: 25 MPG combined gas engine, 56 MPGe electric + gas, 26-mile electric range
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Lol, for me it's only $1.02 USD to charge the 17.8 kwh battery.@@clarkkent9080
No fog lights?
Nope, but the best headlights in the biz
I bought this car a month ago...It takes 12 hours to charge max on a level 1. Do not b believe the bullshit sales people!!!! 12 HOURS!!!!
With a 110 outlet, that’s correct. With a level 2 it takes 2. We hate it when sales people lie about features!
Where are diesel engines which are available in Europe. They are twice more economical than hybrids.
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Does this mean the car can go over 900 miles in hybrid mode??
No. The EV battery provides only 25 miles more range than the non-PHEV. The video is very misleading since it does not take into account the cost to charge that massive battery which is in many cases more than the amount of gas saved.
They got 25 miles of range on EV before it switched to ICE and 25 MPG there after. So at 50 miles, they used 1 gallon of gas or 50 MPG. If you drive 26 miles, you use 0 gallons of gas for the first 25 miles and 0.04 gallons for the next mile and the trip computer will display 650 MPG.
I have commentated above but they say their title is not misleading.
@@clarkkent9080 Thanks but you can drive in hybrid mode right? Thats where you get the higher MPG.
@@brokenintel There is no free lunch. Yes in hybrid mode you get more than 25mpg indicated but that is because that 25 miles of EV range is being added into ICE mpg. When te ICE is recharging the battery it is using more gas.
The bottom line is that placing an electric motor between ICE and the transmission, while simple is very inefficient. Many of these channels state that it has regen braking but cannot explain how that works. The electric motor/generator is directly connected to the ICE. For it to have regen braking, the ICE would have to shutdown every time you touch the brakes so that only the motor/generator is dragging on the drive train.
Run a non-PHEV till the gas tank is empty and a PHEV till the tank is empty and the difference in range will be 25 miles.
remember the PHEV has a 190 Hp ICE and is lugging around 700 lbs of battery and the non-PHEV has a 280 Hp ICE and is 700 lb less.
Read the CX-60 forum and people in the UK are surprised to find that it cost less to just run on petrol and never charge the battery
@@brokenintel I should not have made that statement with out seeing actual driving data in hybrid mode. People buy hybrids to get better fuel economy in hybrid mode and PHEVs to save even more on gas by driving in EV mode only.
With the smaller engine and more weight it all depends on how the system works. Like I said, one of the reasons I believe it is inefficient is that I do not believe it has regen braking. In any case there are many PHEVs with the same or smaller battery capacities that get much better EV only range and that means that the Mazda system is very inefficient in EV mode. And that inefficiency will show up in hybrid mode also.
I really wanted the PHEV but knowing what I now know, it makes no sense to pay $4,000 more for something that does not save me money. There are many reasons for a PHEV but in the case of the CX-90, saving money is not one of them.
There is a lot more to find out about this completely new vehicle before I spend 50+ thousands. I recommend reading the CX-60 forum as that version (same exact power trains) has been out in other markets for a few months. People who respond to forums are either very pleased with their purchase or very unhappy so you get both sides. You should always learn from your mistakes but it is better to learn from the mistakes of others.
Otherwise I hope you enjoy whatever you get.
@@clarkkent9080 Question - You are supposing that someone chooses to run in full EV mode for the first 25miles, consuming the battery capacity, and there after only get 25 mpg on the gas engine - sort of an either or. This sort of makes sense if you live 10 miles from your work place.
However my question is how does the computer decide to allocate load between the electric system and the gas engine in normal driving mode, not EV? Theoretically it could primarily apply electric benefit from zero to 20 or 30 mph and high demand situations like passing, and then cruise in a more gas engine mode and provide much more range than 25 miles and improved mileage. I believe several non plug in hybrid vehicles operate in this way and provide noticeable improved performance and also better overall mileage, with a much smaller battery and electric motor (I have experience with a Toyota Highlander Hybrid) I would like to know how far you can drive at 70 mph in normal drive mode before you have depleted the battery and what the overall mileage would be at that point?
gas economy after 100 miles of EV drive? Thank you
It only gets 25 miles of EV range after which it gets 25 mpg combined gasoline fuel economy
You do not get 60 MPG in the PHEV. The CX-90 PHEV will travel 25 miles on one EV charge. After that it gets 25 MPG on ICE. So one EV charge is equal to 1 gallon of gas and in my area charging that battery cost to same as 1 gallon of gas.
Here is why you think you get more MPG.
Full battery and in 25 miles of range you use 0 gas. Drive 50 miles and the first 25 miles and you use 0 gallons of gas but the last 25 miles you use 1 gallon. So the trip computers calculates 50 miles driven on 1 gallon of gas or 50 MPG. I assume you checked the computer after driving less than 50 miles.
If you drive 150 miles with the first 25 miles on EV you will use 5 gallons of gas and the trip computer will calculate 30 MPG and if you drive long enough it will approach 25 MPG.
BTW, the PHEV cost $4,000 more and you will never come close to saving that extra cost
That’s right, and thats how we came to 60mpg. On our daily drive, accounting for the EV range, then gas mpg, we can go 60 miles on one gallon. Plug it back in at work, drive home, 60mpg again. If your distance between wall outlets is less your effective mpg would be higher.
@@TexasTruckChannel Agreed. But the simple fact is that charging that battery only gives you 25 miles of range and will never save you more than 1 gallon of gasoline compared to the CX-90 inline 6.
A 17.8 Kwh battery with only 80% used is a net of 14.2 Kwh used. There are charger and battery inefficiencies so You are using 16 Kwh of electricity each time you charge.
In my area (Georgia) I have a 16 cents per Kwh electric charge but when you add taxes and fees, I am paying 20 cents per Kwh. !6 Kwh X 0.20 cents per Kwh = $3.20 each time I charge that battery. Just filled up at $3.27 per gallon.
Bottom line, you pay $4,000 (more if you consider tax and more if you don't pay cash) for the PHEV option and only save 7 cents per day you charge it.
You can spin the numbers all you want but the CX-90 PHEV is the most inefficient PHEV on the market today.
@@TexasTruckChannel I have to add that there are many reasons for buying an EV, PHEV, or hybrid but in the case of the CX-90 saving money is not one of them. You will never save money driving the CX-90 PHEV and it will actually cost you thousands more.
Given the facts, don't you see where claiming 60 mpg is misleading ? If you don't add that it only saves 1 gallon of gas per charge and your cost savings depends on the cost of 16 Kwh vs the cost of 1 gallon of gas you are intentionally misleading and that in legal terms is a lie.
I appreciate your input and thoughts on the cx90 Phev, and we are not arguing with you. We have been making these points for years. But, the simple answer is that this is not misleading. On our daily drive, it gets 60mpg. Yes it’s only saving you 1 gallon. But when your using 2 gallons on your drive, saving a gallon is a 50% increase.
Also, when comparing the cheapest phev to the cheapest inline 6, yes it’s more expensive. When you compare a mid trim inline 6 to the phev they are the same (excluding any tax benefits). Mazda is not positioning the phev as the value option. And we are not implying that it is either.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the good conversation.
@@TexasTruckChannel Now I have to disagree. The CX-90 inline 6 select is $7,850 less than the PHEV that starts at the Preferred trim.
If you compare inline 6 preferred to PHEV preferred trim, that difference is $4,000. In Texas, you add at least 6.25% tax on that difference and even more if you take out a loan, that is money you will never recover.
Your electric rates are even higher than mine so for you, there is little to no difference in EV vs gasoline only.
Why do you not state the cost to charge the massive battery?
And why not make a video on the fuel economy of the PHEV for someone who only drives 26 miles as that works out to 650 MPG and would certainly get more hits and according to you would not be misleading?
I was very interested in the CX-90 PHEV but after researching the details the question is why would anyone want to buy that version? There are some that feel that electric is better for the environment than gasoline and that is fine but the PHEV only comes with leather. So my question is What in the Hell was Mazda thinking?
You should read the CX-60 forum where people are surprised that in the UK, the PHEV cost more to charge than it would if simply run on petrol only. They get a vehicle with a 700 lb battery and an EV mode that is more costly and complex to use, for thousand ($$) more....what a great deal.
I would think that people would value your channel more if you exposed the true inefficiencies of the PHEV and save them from buying one and being disappointed. But in the YT world, being honest and truthful is not the best way to gain subscribers and make $$.
Most people believe everything they see on the internet and many will be very disappointed with this PHEV. Every other PHEV that I have researched is much more efficient than Mazda's. I love Mazda and as a small company they need to be very careful as major issues with the CX-60/70/8-/90 could spell their doom.
the CX90 battery is 17.8 and offical pure eletric range is only 26miles or 41km, that's pathetic, these crap cannot face real competition from Chinese bands in China market, that's why Mazda is almost dying in China
Texans praising a Japanese carmaker??? What??? Is the racism cooling down over derr?
Really nice car but like the last one, it will get great reviews but no one buys them
Since the PHEV costs $4,000 more than the non-PHEV and cost more to charge the battery than the ONE gallon of gas it saves, who would buy one??
1.5 hour charge means the battery is peanut sized. What a disappointment. Likely it'll get 25 miles per charge. Garbage
Hey Sleepy... Unlike pure EVs or conventional hybrids, plug-in hybrid-electric vehicles have electric ranges that are usually between 20 and 40 miles per charge and then revert to regular hybrid operation. Considering that the average person in the U.S. drives less than 40 miles per day, that means that some drivers will be able to do most of their daily travel on electric power as long as they plug in first while reserving the gas engine for longer trips. Hope this helps wake you up to the benefits of a PHEV vehicle.
@@spridge7 what you're missing is most people don't want to have to plug in and un plug every single time they drive their car. That gets old real fast. Most will get lazy and just use the PHEV as a hybrid. If they made it at least 40 miles then you could probably plug in every other day. This makes a huge difference in convenience especially when this Mazda costs nearly $70k out the door for the PHEV
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@sleepy When gas is $6 a gallon you don't mind plugging it in so much. I had a Volt and plugged it in everyday and pretty much drove it 95% in EV mode. It was awesome. The main reason I sold it was because it was low to the ground and it was bothering my knees. Also it was really cramped in the back. Mazda hit a home run with this vehicle.
@@marklihsu the Volt got 50 miles per charge and still ran on gas. 25 miles just doesn't cut it anymore. Why bother with an entire electric drive train for 25 lousy miles? Ridiculous