Too Much Power on Horrible Tires. 528 hp Audi S3 | Nürburgring
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- @MotorOliTV brought me an MTM Audi S3 for a lap of the Nürburgring. The base was great with one big downside: the car just returned from a car show with show tire setup. It is definitely not suited for the track. Nevertheless, we had fun.
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00:00 Intro/Specs
03:27 Lap
12:30 Conclusion
14:01 Tires :( - Авто та транспорт
That "roll cage" had me rolling. Toyo stickers on the tires, flashy colours, lots of power but no grip. "It's a show car" really sums it up well I guess.
😂
it's pretty sad ngl😂
Sadly this sort of culture is really popular now. People that just want a car to do traffic light Grand Prix against their mates in a remapped A45 and M135i. 4wd traction, DSG gearbox and power is all they want for straight line launching.
@@feoffle because masses doesnt go to the track :)
MTM good tuning house. but this a carwow 1/4 mile machine. Needs suitable track tyres and ring optimised suspension. Show n go for sure but not track n go
not every show car is a race car, but every race car is a show car.
words to live by
Maaaaaybe not. You might want to watch a WRL or Champ (formerly Chump) Car race. A beat-to-crap Mazda3 with a primer paint job may be fun to race, but it ain't no show car.
Unfortunatly not really the case. I request for selected shows, but not getting accepted with my race car. And it is in great shape for a race car.
becuz function is form
@@mgcharoudin you really should have made a point to that high oil temp. as this should clearly show that RS3 is not made at all for the NS. Respecting that the guys of Audi Sport have the TestCenter for Suspension close to Manthey, they surely will have notified it during their setup work. Just surprise they did not mentioned it to the Engine Department in Ingolstadt.
I rewound to the beginning (to the spec), and I'm a bit baffled. The EA888 is known to have oil temperature problems, yet an esteemed tuner like MTM doesn't seem put an oil cooler upgrade in with the 530hp tune??
That's what happens when you build a car to be a dyno queen
For the target audience (ie. people who know shit all about cars and just want to see a number queen) its perfect. Flashy, loud and fast in a straight line.
Yeah this is what I was thinking too. My APR Stage 2 8V S3 needs an oil cooler to keep the temps around 210f, before I had that it was jumping up to 240-250f frequently, which isn't overly bad, but... it's still alot more than the standard 190-210f regular running temp for my climate.
I agree. Even a street car should have an oil cooler when modified as they hit 120c very quickly. I have the gen2 ea888 with k04 in my old Octavia and it has a baffled sump and oil cooler.
Crazy that oil temps went up 50C during the lap, actually insane.
On my mk1 TT oiltemps did the same. These cars have an oil to water cooler to warm up/cool the oil but when coolant temps get high it can't cool the oil enough. On mine I had to upgrade both the radiator and install an external oil cooler and that is with close to stock power (Basic bolt-on's with a remap, still stock turbo)
That was 144C
@@ricola1759 From 92C to 145C, it's actually crazy
@@m0rb1d43 within one lap though? Seems a bit nuts, i've done track days in my cupra(stock water/oil cooling) and not had this issue at all.
but yes, if you're planning on doing a bunch of track days, get a real oil cooler.
@@MrZyLeXx don't forget the Nurburgring is like 6 times longer than the average track 🤣
I love the brutally honest titles and commentary please don’t change.
Sweet little s3 just needs that oil cooler, tires and maybe a bit extra height and travel, those seats are epic.
Basically half his mods are wrong 😂
Aloha from Hawaii Misha! Loving the content lately, you never miss! Can’t wait to come visit Apex and the Nurburgring the next time I’m in Germany!! Much love!
Great video with note worthy input to take the S3 to the next level on the Ring. It still cracks me up when Misha looks like he's taking a Sunday drive and it's a literal Monday Hell for everyone else.
It would be really awesome and informative to see again this car in a few days on new tires for comparison . Not just entertaining. But to show all those kids who tune their cars and put their money into everything but the most important part of car, the one keeping them on the road, the tires.
Wonderful to see an objective view of a show car on track and looking forward to seeing a second drive with improved tyres and suspension 👍🏼
The green stripe works really well on the yellow! As said nice car but too much for show, would be interesting to see it lap again with better tyres 👍
how do you get the Nurburgring by your name? thanks man!
@@nolanmcgilvrey1619 He's a member of the channel, its like subscribing on twitch where u pay monthly
The oil Temp was hanging around 140c ... too high.
Not sure that engine will be lasting very long unless the oil system is upgraded... I could be wrong, but tempts that high would concern me.
At around 135c the oil starts to break down and won't be doing it's job, just when you are really pushing the engine.
modern oil can handle 140c. it has to change every 5k km. this temperatur was bad a long time ago.
125 is too high for this car... 140 is over
Great video Misha! Shows having big power without proper cooling upgrades and the correct tyre/suspension set up doesn't work well on a track. Easy fix at least and as is will make a great street car no doubt.
Misha, you are the BEST. " we are going to take it easy....*tires screeching* LOL. Stay awesome!
Very well driven and especially good analysation of the car. I'll bet the engine and the supension were quite motivating to go even faster. But "power is nothing without control"
At least it's good at being a show car. It certainly looks great. Interested to see how it will perform with the changes and upgrades you have suggested.
Some thoughts from a 2019 GTI owner in the US. I'm fairly familiar with MQB of course, and a few things really surprised me about this build. Right away, I'm shocked they kept the stock single piston sliding front calipers. All they did is paint them Yellow and put the MTM logo on them. Absolutely not up to the task of slowing down almost twice the stock horsepower in my opinion. Also, the oil temps got ridiculously hot. Did they not fit an oil cooler? I would have expected that for such a large bump in power and for a car thats expected to see even a moderate amount of track time. And while the tires are contributing to the understeer, I'm very surprised MTM didn't fit a larger rear swaybar. That's one of the first things I'd do, it makes such a massive difference on turn in, and it's easy and cheap. But maybe it really is just a show car lol
swaybar from another model or 3rd party?
@@dreamcrusher112 third party. Lots of companies make them, plenty of great options!
really sad yeah
Also, even at least some camber plates which can definitely reduce understeer.
@@aria.motorsport definitely. So many things could be done to improve it😂
This with some good performance tires would be incredible!
That's one of the first thing I replaced on my car are my tires. One lap with the all-season was a big no no for me so I went with the Pilot 4S. So far, I'm happy on how the tires perform on my GTI
I did one lap on the pilot sport and took them of😂. Sidewall way to soft. Semi slick is a must for track in the dry.
@@TheTechnoaddict PS4, PS4S, PS5, PSS … ?
@@vollcare4076 ps4s. Good on mixed conditions but overheating in the dry.
@@TheTechnoaddict But semi`s are street illegal and way too dangerous in the wet. So 200 treadwear tires is a good option for track/street combo
@@agnttgr semi's are 200 tread most of the time. And they are street legal. And yes most of them suck in the wet. That's why you switch tyres if the track is wet.
Those seats are freaking sick 🔥🔥
car performs like a toaster (done in 4min) but hey, the seats are cool. talk about priorities lol.
A car destroyer Mischa. Great content. Keep going 😁😁😁.
Watching that oil temp had me like 🫣
Where do you see oil temperature gauge? I think this one in left corner is just an cooling fluid temperature.
@@Orzeszekkif you zoom in you can see it’s the little oil can
@@Scuderia2000HD oh ok I saw it in 4k 🤣that's very bad and I don't understand why progress bar above shows it in midrange. If it's get so hot on Nienburgring it's probably get too hot when you ride fast on motorway
@@Scuderia2000HD I don't know what to say because car already get high flow grille from RS3 so lack of air shouldnt be a problem
This was fun to watch.
lol the owner is still struggling with being calm.. I can understand him, but it's still fun to see :D
I’m glad you noticed oil temps rising. Engine seems very happy to rev. Pulls all the way up to 7. Nice lap Misha😊
Its a big turbo 4cyl, of course it loves to rev. How the fuck else would it make 500hp from 2 litres 🤡🤡
idk... I like my Cars to start pulling at 7k rpm, not limiting there 😂
Tyres are the most IMPORTANT parts in terms of performance, it should be the first upgrade in a car.
@Newycoder Ooo very nice 👌
Cool video 👍🏻
I so want this car 😍
Those seats are 👌
Nuts.!! Totally.. Looked fun thou.
Ha ha ha,
One of the funniest lap i ever seen ❣️😂😂😂👌🏼
Lieben Gruß aus Berlin,
Ramsi 😘
What a disgrace for MTM…. 140° in the first lap….
In the first half of a lap*
Yes indeed , had the same problem on my C5 Vette without oil cooler could barely do a 2-3km lap before issues , with my C6 Callaway built no problem with oil cooling , he should install a termostat 100C bypass and a Setra cooler braided lines something like 600 EUR in cost , a simple installation problem solved.
Does this type of bolted-on rollcage have any noticeable benefit in terms of rigidity? (Genuine open question)
Anyway the guy on the passenger side had his time of his life :D
I hope to see this back with proper tires suspension?) And cooling.
Dashscreen was as a Wheinacht Tanne with all this warning lights 😅😅😅
What brake set up was he running Misha? Looks like standard callipers with the Clubsport discs ?
18" wheel with nankang any decent semi slick similar tyre width...and softer springs,1 or 2inches higher ride height
This car would be flying fast at the ring!
What was the spring rate of this S3 ?
Super cool Misha. Damn that little A3 can boogie at least...except of the overheating part, and like most AWD cars under steering.
How nice is it to have a friend like Misha who knows somethings to help sort out your car so you can enjoy the Ring more and safely too. #Bonus
I have the same MTM car mats in my B5 RS4.
Can you please test the 992 turbo s on the ring, i wanna see what laptime it is capable of
I'm totally confused... how did they fit the RS3 fonrt to the car!? Isn't it much wider because it has to overflow onto the mudguards?
Wendler has a nice car :D
142'C oil temp! You can pull the motor right after that lap.
Makes me laugh this fully ragging it round a track an having a daily conversation as though ur cruising to a town or something for shopping on a Sunday 😂
Thanks, Bro! That was fun. CU next time with a more „appropriate“ Setup 😂👌🏻.
Rs3 killer right there
Any audi you have to prep it like a front wheel drive except R8 of course 😊, but the rest needs rear stiff springs huge rear sway bar , less stiff in front and NO front swaybar. Ex : 800lbs spring rate rear 600 front.
That rollcage location mounting scares me.
Hello! In your opinion what is more fun to drive AND what is faster. S3 x GTi. I ask in terms of Awd x Fwd traction. Obviously I'm talking about cars with the same Specs...
Which break pads is the S3 running ?
Stock ?
Good video
Pretty cool car, tyres are struggling, but I can imagine it would be a weapon with some proper rubber.
Are you sure about that 528hp figure, seems a little slow for that HP in a straight line. How much does it weigh? or maybe the engine cooling can't cope even from near the start.
DANGER CAGE!
Another great hot hatch that it did not come to America :(
Good tyres are the cheapest mod with best results
Great car for ten minutes of Autobahn. 😁
Loss of power because of the Oil Temperature. You need an oil cooler and if you've not got a larger heat exchanger/intercooler - i'd upgrade that too, to a thicker core. It can take it, plenty of space. But you absolutely need that - you'll even make more power more consistently.
265 tyres on the front, so the 245s Are on the back pr running a square setup? 2:14 and 1:53
Well, I am sure the owner has some track tires, obviously it was not set up for the track that day, still very fun.
even if it wasnt my car i simply couldnt carry on driving like that with temps over 130°c, i simply have too much respect for cars
misha always recognizes these high temperatures but never really switches to a driving style where the oil can really cool down a bit...
"were' gonna take it easy from here" *proceeds to drive faster than i could ever do in my life lol
Why did MTM not upgrade the oil cooler lol.
10k for seats with stock oil cooler.
142° oil temp just crazy
Nothing like 528hp and floating front brake calipers.
Shows there is a massive difference between a modified car and a performance car
several he regretted having passed the wheel to you 🤣😂
that bottom left temperature gauge seems to be unusually hot. 134 degrees is way too hot for water temperature and i would consider too hot for oil as well
142°c oil temperature. OUCH! There's a lot of temperature management to be done there buddy. This should be 120°c tops.
I will never understand why people spend so much money on “upgrades” but not on better tyres.
Tyres is the quickest, cheapest (If you choose the rights ones) and sometimes the best mod to a car.
Get those tires on my daily C2 VTS last year... On the front axle, the worst driving feeling I could have, no safe sensation, no drive train feeling and response...
Happy today to enjoy P ZERO NERO GT in comparaison..
I think it's sad that such a big company spends big money for those Seats, the power, and so on.... but forgetts one of the most important things: Good Tires and good cooling. And Rollcage dosen't look that safe for me.
But anyway: if they fix those 3 things i guess it would make an acctual nice car for some ''sunday 3-4 laps'' driving style :)
What oil temps should you expect to reach on a lap ?
120C max
I think these are the "Toyo Proxes Sport A" tires.
What's the engine spec? That's alot of power.
Would love to see you driving the new RS3 equipped with the Trofeo R tires
Tipical rs3
It's an S3 but with the front of the new Audi RS3 (black grill and checkered flag Led Lights).
This car definitely needs the French made MICHELIN PILOT SUPER SPORT and possibly better breaks ❤
dat ricer rollcage :D
How to activate every light on the dash while driving.
What is worse, audisteer or golf gti?
mc donalds tuning.
congrats.
Never heard a car squeal so much on a lap!!! And that "roll cage" !!!!!!!!!!
The last car he brought had horrible tires too..... guess he didn't listen to you at all. That "rollcage" should be called a showcage lol
2:46 Roll cage mounted like a child seat ???
I'm also interested on that as it was mounted as a some kind of "removable" rollcage, or at least without much changes on the original. It might be a good option if you (and I do) want a cage but don't want to completely change your car to a race car.
For show only :(
So they can take it back out and sell the car with no issues I would guess
Time for m3 touring nurburgring lap breakdown
RS3 8Y front and side skirts?
This Thing needs an Oil cooler !!
MTM needs to do something about those oil temperatures.
So over 20k for mods and 340i from the last video is going better :)
Power loss because of the oil temperature? 142°C is pretty high.
Yeah right, the engine behind the front axle in an Audi S3. Maybe check again, haha.
soft the suspension a bit get some cup 2 still slow ;)))
People. The engine placement in this car is not different than any other hothatch. All transverse engined fwd/awd/4wd cars have BOTH the engine and the gearbox slightly in front of the front axle. CTR, focus, megane, i30n etc. All your favourite hothatches have the same engine placement configuration. Engine and gearbox slighlty in front of the front axle and on the back of the gearbox the differential.
The reason most audis understeer at the limit is not the engine location. They tend to be neutral, then incline towards understeer at the limit. It is the way they are setup from the factory. If you want to change that you need first of all a thicker rear sway bar. Also these tires are not meant for trackdays, let alone in a car with much more than the stock power.
Awesome Car
The car was really running hot 140C for the oil?
it seems so
140C is ok for a short while but at that temp it degrades and will loose lubrication effects and oil change more often , oil change to my C6 dry sump is 10.5 litres and 200eur.
The engine is still in front of the frontaxle 😅
Typical ignorant comment. ALL transverse fwd/awd/4wd cars have both the engine and the gearbox in front of the front axle. You just heard someone say it like all these other people and keep repeating it without having real knowledge.
@@NachoBides so he's an ignorant but you just confirmed what he said 😂
And not all transverse-engine cars have overhang on the front, the Toyota iQ doesn't for example. The only reason it's done this way is because it's cheaper, you'd need clever packaging or to increase the wheelbase to make it work which costs money. And VAG sure loves having its Golf-derivatives built as cheaply as possible while gouging the customer for as much money as possible.
400km range down to 270km est. Lmao, the engine changes doing work.
So it's MTM car with stated 528hp. That means it probably has something more like 400hp