LOL, how can this man know that when the baby's head begins to emerge as the little darling slips on out, what a great relief it is since the labor is now over!!! LOL!!! I'm grateful to God for his teaching!!!
Even 1 Thessalonians 5 explains the timing of the rapture.. 1thessalonians 4:13-18 describes the order,then in Chapter 5 it's the timing of the Rapture...the day of the lord
Could someone please show me where in the Bible it says that the Lord Jesus Christ returns to resurrect His dead Bride, His Body the Church and those saints still living; gather them in the "rapture" and RETURN TO HEAVEN? I have been studying daily for over 50 years and i cant find this scripture.
The 4th seal. This would be occurring during the Great Tribulation before the 6th seal. The Great Tribulation is man's wrath or Satan's wrath. Revelation 12:12-17. It commences just after the midpoint with time, times, and hakf a time or 1260 days remaining. Lots of people die during this time. Matthew 24:21-22. Jesus interrupts the Great Tribulation with His coming. His vengeance and wrath commences at the 6th seal.
In the comments, I see people conflating Paul's reference to "the last trump" with John's vision of the seven trumpets of God's wrath. The two are not related. Paul is speaking of the close of what we call "the church age". At "the last trump" of the church age, all Christians, both dead and alive, are gathered together with Christ. AFTER the close of "the church age" and the "gathering together of the saints", God begins to pour out His wrath. (Remember, we are not appointed to wrath.) The seven trumpets of God's wrath in John's revelation lay outside "the church age" and outside the context of Paul's remarks to the church. Context is important for "rightly dividing the word of truth".
"Birth pains" WHEN? In Matthew 24:6, Jesus said "the end is not yet." He was speaking of the church age, because He does not get to "the end" until verse 15.
This project is so big-so massive-" Why is this so massive when John lays it out so clearly? God's wrath begins at the 6th seal in Rev. Chapter 6. Then Daniel's 70th week will begin at the 7th seal.
Joel 2:31 signs in the sun and moon... "wait a minute: didn't we just read a verse about these signs?" Sorry, Mike, but here is where Van Kampen and Rosenthal MISSED IT. We read about these particular signs at the 6th seal (Rev. Chapter 6) and NOT in Matthew 24. The Matthew 24 sign is the sign of total darkness where the sun, the moon and the stars will be INVISIBLE. The 6th seal signs will probably be total eclipses that MUST BE VISIBLE. The 6th seal signs are in Revelation Chapter 6, before the Week. The Matthew 24 signs are after the week and just before Armageddon. In short, these are TWO VERY DIFFERENT SIGNS for two VERY DIFFERENT events. It seems that pre-wrathers simply cannot believe our GREAT JEHOVAH GOD can have cosmic, celestial signs appear TWICE as two very different signs. So, they ignore the timing of these signs, WARP time, and attempt to make two points in time over seven years apart as if they were one event. IT DOES NOT WORK! God is not going to warp time to fit some theory.
All I can say is compare what all people say will happen at the rapture, and compare it to Revelation 11:15-17, and add that to Jesus words of "at the last Trump" you're making it more difficult than it was meant to be
"They all have to be right." The passages pre-tribbers use, must agree with the passages the mid-tribbers use, which must agree with the passages the post-tribbers use, AND must also agree with the passages the Pre-wrathers use. In short, any rapture timing theory must agree with ALL end time passages. I agree. The problem is, some of these 'tribbers pull verses out of their context, and others simply don't fully understand the verses they use. For example, pre-wrathers insist that the celestial signs "after the tribulation" of those days is the very same sign we read at the 6th seal. This is a serious lack of understanding the TIMING of these two very different signs. "the one theory that pulls all these passages together most accurately is the pre-wrath rapture." I disagree. The pre-wrath theory does more damage to end-time passages than any other theory. For example, this theory must rearrange much of the book of Revelation to fit.
Over the course of my study of the Rapture I have had to investigate the claims of the other 3 views apart from the Pre-Trib position. Your video that I found on the Pre-wrath position was so grievously in error and contradictory that I could only bear to watch half of it. Some of the errors are as follows.. 1) You misquote Matt 24:29 and REVERSE the order of events 2) You then combine both Joel 2:31 and Matt 24:29 and claim their order is the SAME when they are just the OPPOSITE! 3) You then misrepresent the 7 Churches in Revelation to accommodate a chronology of events regarding the timing of the Rapture What is equally horrendous is not a single person in the audience caught any of the errors.
"There is no such thing as "the tribulation..." How strange, when Jesus said, "after THE TRIBULATION of those days..." This probably refers to the days of great tribulation Jesus had just mentioned. I agree, we should call the seven years, "the 70th Week of Daniel."
Teacher you forgot to consider that the messiah was cut off after ‘69 weeks’. “After 69 means 70. The messiah was cut off in the 70th week . Daniel 9:26 says the messiah was cut off after 69 weeks please consider that.
"I have not changed the order of these things..." Not YET. Changing the order is soon to come. What you have done is pulled those seals out of their great commission context.
"The great tribulation..." Jesus never put "the" in front of "great tribulation. In other words, Jesus DID NOT TITLE this certain period of time. Rather, Jesus said "those days" of "great tribulation." Therefore, it would be improper to call the last half of the week, "the great tribulation."
I hold to a pre-wrath position but have the rapture occurring after the trumpet sounds when the angels gather the harvest of saints (Matt.24). This is the trumpet that Paul and John point too. The trumpets are pre-cursors announcing the wrath coming in the trampling of the winepress and the 7 bowls. Perhaps Jesus parable in Matt.13 of the harvest at the end of the age pictures the sequence of events. First the reapers gather up the tares to be burned with fire then the grain is gathered and stored in the barn. In Rev.14 the harvest sequence uses a different order and imagery, You have the rapture before the trumpet(s)sound which is inconsistent with Matt.24.
@@Landis_Grant Can you show me anywhere in scripture that shows Matt 24 is only for Jews ??? Nowhere else in theology is this “split” between who is being addressed is applied in this manner, how do we know this ?? This is done to support the pre tribulation point of view because without this “split” it isn’t sustainable. This is a theory invented with no scriptural basis, if the plain literal meaning is applied just like everywhere else in scripture it falls flat.
"We will not suffer the wrath of God..." I agree. But this is where he began this lecture: WHERE on Revelation's timeline does God's wrath begin? It is as clear as John 3:16. God's wrath begins with the DAY of His wrath, at the 6th seal written in Chapter 6. This does not bother pre-wrathers-they simply move the 6th seal to somewhere in the middle of the last half of the week! Where is the 70th week in Revelation? God made that simple too: God has MARKED the Week with sevens: the 7th seal begins the week, the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint and the 7th bowl ends it. My axiom on Revelation: ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.
The pre-wrath position is biblical, however, being raptured before the trumpets is not. The biblical stance is that the trumpets are not during the time of wrath. 1 Corinthians 15:52 says very clearly we will be caught up at the last trumpet. Not before. Revelation 11:18 also says that after the last trumpet the wrath has come. So do not be deceived. The church will experience the seals and trumpets but not the bowls.
You're wrong, Max and so is Mike the Speaker here, the Seven Trumpets are the SAME Wrath as the Seven Bowls! The Seven bowls are merely the Holy Spirit, the inspired author of Revelation's Recap of the SAME EVENTS of the DAY OF THE LORD'S WRATH. But instead of the Seven Trumpets another symbol-the Seven Bowls are used. Please type my name ChewLyeHock in your UA-cam Search and review my EndTime Chart to see if you agree. Thank you.
The 7 trumpets of Rev were revealed to John many years after Paul.was martyred. How could Paul be referring to the 7th trumpet of Rev. ? How would the Corinthians and Thessalonians have made that connection when the 7 trumpets hadn't been revealed yet? It is clearly not the 7th trumpet of Revelation that Paul was referring to.. What did Jesus say...as in the days of Lot...THE SAME DAY Lot was taken out, the fire came down. What is the first trumpet in Rev..FIRE mixed with blood and hail.
....I think so, too. Chapter 6 is in the first half of the 7 year period and mentions 'wrath of the lamb' I think the whole 7 years is The Lords wrath builds up in tempo to judge and to bring people as many as possible to repentance. And then it really ramps up in the second 1260 day period to the climax at the battle if Jerusalem and Jesus landing on the Mount of Olive to wage a war against the nations. By this time the rapture of the church has well and truly cone and gone.
"Great tribulation will start at the midpoint..." This is not completely accurate. The midpoint in Revelation is marked by the 7th trumpet (Judea flees immediately following this 7th trumpet) but it is some time AFTER that that the Beast was seen rising, and even more time later when the False Prophet shows up. "Those days" of "great tribulation" will not begin in Revelation until late in Chapter 14, AFTER God sends angels to warn the people about the mark. This is confirmed in Chapter 15 when the myrtyrs begin showing up in heaven.
Order of Events 1) Great Tribulation then 2) Cosmic event then 3) wrath of God as in Day of the Lord Now let's show the REAL scriptural order: ***1) Signs in the sun and moon as total eclipses: Sun turns black, moon turns red. then (6th seal) ***2) The start of God's wrath as in the DAY of the Lord (6th seal) then 3) the 7th seal begins the 70th week. 4) the BOOK Is opened since all seals are opened 5) the first thing read in the book is seven angels getting their trumpets. 6) the first 6 trumpets sound, The HURT on earth has begun. 7) the 7th trumpet sounds as the abomination takes place. (Rev. 11 and Matthew 24) then, the second half of the 70th week will begin 8) Those in Judea flee since they saw the abomination 9) Property closing in heaven: Jesus gets back planet earth. WAR in heaven as Satan is cast down 10) The Antichrist Beast seen rising to power. 11) The False prophet shows up 12) The False Prophet plans the Image and the MARK 13) The 144,000 are seen in heaven. 14) Rev. 14) Angels are sent to warn people. ***15) Days of great tribulation begin 16) Days of great tribulation get INTENSE 17) God sends angels to pour out the bowls of His wrath to STOP the days of GT. 18) Days of GT are shortened. Days will continue, but they will only be days of darkness. 19) Babylon (the great city of Jerusalem) is destroyed AS the 7th bowl ends the week. 20) The OLD TESTAMENT saints are resurrected "on the last day." 21) The marriage and supper take place in heaven (Rev. 19) ***22) COSMIC SIGNS will appear: this time the sign of TOTAL DARKNESS (Matthew 24) 22) Jesus descends to earth for the battle of Armageddon *** Events from his chart. Notice HOW DIFFERENT God's scriptural order is compared to his order.
"Seal 5, martyrs of the great tribulation..." Sorry, Brother Mike, but you have missed something. John has not yet even started "the tribulation or the 70th week. He is EARLY in the church age, just before Paul got converted. You are 2000 years off here. John and the Holy Spirit are thinking Paul sent murdering Christians, and you are thinking antichrist. You have completely missed the message of Chapters 4 and 5. WHEN did Jesus send the Holy Spirit down? (Rev. 5)
So, at the 5th seal. When the martyrs are asking God, "How long O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?". Why didn't God say, "What are you talking about? I have been." Instead He tells them to rest a little longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Kevin Ball You’ve attempting to look at all 7 years as wrath from God, but nowhere does the Bible indicate this. We are not appointed to God’s wrath which is called the Day of the Lord. But, that doesn’t happen until the back half of the 70th week of Daniel or well past the 3.5 year mark. See Revelation 6:17, this is when the timing of the Day of the Lord’s Wrath begins.
This is fantastic stuff and clears up the confusion that is part and parcel of the Pre-trib teaching.
Please read my response abovei think it will be interesting to you thank you
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God has made Pastor Ufferman a FANTASTIC Bible teacher, and I can understand his teaching extremely well!!!
I didn't think this was a Pretribulation video because the comments are enabled💯
LOL, how can this man know that when the baby's head begins to emerge as the little darling slips on out, what a great relief it is since the labor is now over!!! LOL!!! I'm grateful to God for his teaching!!!
Thank you for showing comparison between Matthew 24 / Rev. 6 in reference to the 4 riders. That was something I struggled to appropriately connect.
Read 2 Thessalonians 2: the whole chapter to find out when the rapture will be..
Even 1 Thessalonians 5 explains the timing of the rapture..
1thessalonians 4:13-18 describes the order,then in Chapter 5 it's the timing of the Rapture...the day of the lord
Thanks so much for sharing these studies!!! 💜
Could someone please show me where in the Bible it says that the Lord Jesus Christ returns to resurrect His dead Bride, His Body the Church and those saints still living; gather them in the "rapture" and RETURN TO HEAVEN? I have been studying daily for over 50 years and i cant find this scripture.
This is the truth! If anyone knows of a "pre wrath rapture" church in Las Vegas please let me know.
I would like to know what we would call the event of Revelation 6: 8. The name tribulation is not mentioned there, but what should we call it?
...and in the same chapter...'wrath of the lamb'. The whole 7 years is The Lords wrath building towards a climax. The battle for Jerusalem.
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Don't confuse the 5th & 6th seals...
The 4th seal. This would be occurring during the Great Tribulation before the 6th seal.
The Great Tribulation is man's wrath or Satan's wrath. Revelation 12:12-17. It commences just after the midpoint with time, times, and hakf a time or 1260 days remaining. Lots of people die during this time. Matthew 24:21-22. Jesus interrupts the Great Tribulation with His coming. His vengeance and wrath commences at the 6th seal.
In the comments, I see people conflating Paul's reference to "the last trump" with John's vision of the seven trumpets of God's wrath. The two are not related. Paul is speaking of the close of what we call "the church age". At "the last trump" of the church age, all Christians, both dead and alive, are gathered together with Christ. AFTER the close of "the church age" and the "gathering together of the saints", God begins to pour out His wrath. (Remember, we are not appointed to wrath.) The seven trumpets of God's wrath in John's revelation lay outside "the church age" and outside the context of Paul's remarks to the church. Context is important for "rightly dividing the word of truth".
"Birth pains"
WHEN? In Matthew 24:6, Jesus said "the end is not yet." He was speaking of the church age, because He does not get to "the end" until verse 15.
Good presentation brother
Sir could you read my response above I think you will find it interesting thank you.
"The RED, the BLACK, and the PALE horses with riders: this cannot be God's wrath..."
I AGREE: His wrath will not begin until the 6th seal.
Every Islamic countries flag is the same colours as the 4 horses.
This project is so big-so massive-"
Why is this so massive when John lays it out so clearly? God's wrath begins at the 6th seal in Rev. Chapter 6. Then Daniel's 70th week will begin at the 7th seal.
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Joel 2:31 signs in the sun and moon...
"wait a minute: didn't we just read a verse about these signs?"
Sorry, Mike, but here is where Van Kampen and Rosenthal MISSED IT. We read about these particular signs at the 6th seal (Rev. Chapter 6) and NOT in Matthew 24. The Matthew 24 sign is the sign of total darkness where the sun, the moon and the stars will be INVISIBLE.
The 6th seal signs will probably be total eclipses that MUST BE VISIBLE.
The 6th seal signs are in Revelation Chapter 6, before the Week.
The Matthew 24 signs are after the week and just before Armageddon.
In short, these are TWO VERY DIFFERENT SIGNS for two VERY DIFFERENT events. It seems that pre-wrathers simply cannot believe our GREAT JEHOVAH GOD can have cosmic, celestial signs appear TWICE as two very different signs. So, they ignore the timing of these signs, WARP time, and attempt to make two points in time over seven years apart as if they were one event. IT DOES NOT WORK! God is not going to warp time to fit some theory.
All I can say is compare what all people say will happen at the rapture, and compare it to Revelation 11:15-17, and add that to Jesus words of "at the last Trump" you're making it more difficult than it was meant to be
At least in chapter 6....wrath of the lamb.
"They all have to be right." The passages pre-tribbers use, must agree with the passages the mid-tribbers use, which must agree with the passages the post-tribbers use, AND must also agree with the passages the Pre-wrathers use. In short, any rapture timing theory must agree with ALL end time passages.
I agree. The problem is, some of these 'tribbers pull verses out of their context, and others simply don't fully understand the verses they use. For example, pre-wrathers insist that the celestial signs "after the tribulation" of those days is the very same sign we read at the 6th seal. This is a serious lack of understanding the TIMING of these two very different signs.
"the one theory that pulls all these passages together most accurately is the pre-wrath rapture."
I disagree. The pre-wrath theory does more damage to end-time passages than any other theory. For example, this theory must rearrange much of the book of Revelation to fit.
Over the course of my study of the Rapture I have had to investigate the claims of the other 3 views apart from the Pre-Trib position. Your video that I found on the Pre-wrath position was so grievously in error and contradictory that I could only bear to watch half of it. Some of the errors are as follows..
1) You misquote Matt 24:29 and REVERSE the order of events
2) You then combine both Joel 2:31 and Matt 24:29 and claim their order is the SAME when they are just the OPPOSITE!
3) You then misrepresent the 7 Churches in Revelation to accommodate a chronology of events regarding the timing of the Rapture
What is equally horrendous is not a single person in the audience caught any of the errors.
"There is no such thing as "the tribulation..."
How strange, when Jesus said, "after THE TRIBULATION of those days..."
This probably refers to the days of great tribulation Jesus had just mentioned.
I agree, we should call the seven years, "the 70th Week of Daniel."
Teacher you forgot to consider that the messiah was cut off after ‘69 weeks’. “After 69 means 70. The messiah was cut off in the 70th week . Daniel 9:26 says the messiah was cut off after 69 weeks please consider that.
"I have not changed the order of these things..."
Not YET. Changing the order is soon to come.
What you have done is pulled those seals out of their great commission context.
"The great tribulation..."
Jesus never put "the" in front of "great tribulation. In other words, Jesus DID NOT TITLE this certain period of time. Rather, Jesus said "those days" of "great tribulation."
Therefore, it would be improper to call the last half of the week, "the great tribulation."
I hold to a pre-wrath position but have the rapture occurring after the trumpet sounds when the angels gather the harvest of saints (Matt.24). This is the trumpet that Paul and John point too. The trumpets are pre-cursors announcing the wrath coming in the trampling of the winepress and the 7 bowls. Perhaps Jesus parable in Matt.13 of the harvest at the end of the age pictures the sequence of events. First the reapers gather up the tares to be burned with fire then the grain is gathered and stored in the barn. In Rev.14 the harvest sequence uses a different order and imagery, You have the rapture before the trumpet(s)sound which is inconsistent with Matt.24.
You couldn’t be more incorrect! Matthew 24 refers to Israel and the Jews and the second coming of Christ and nothing to do with Christians/Church.
@@Landis_Grant
Can you show me anywhere in scripture that shows Matt 24 is only for Jews ???
Nowhere else in theology is this “split” between who is being addressed is applied in this manner, how do we know this ??
This is done to support the pre tribulation point of view because without this “split” it isn’t sustainable.
This is a theory invented with no scriptural basis, if the plain literal meaning is applied just like everywhere else in scripture it falls flat.
"We will not suffer the wrath of God..."
I agree. But this is where he began this lecture: WHERE on Revelation's timeline does God's wrath begin? It is as clear as John 3:16. God's wrath begins with the DAY of His wrath, at the 6th seal written in Chapter 6.
This does not bother pre-wrathers-they simply move the 6th seal to somewhere in the middle of the last half of the week! Where is the 70th week in Revelation? God made that simple too: God has MARKED the Week with sevens: the 7th seal begins the week, the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint and the 7th bowl ends it. My axiom on Revelation:
ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.
The pre-wrath position is biblical, however, being raptured before the trumpets is not. The biblical stance is that the trumpets are not during the time of wrath. 1 Corinthians 15:52 says very clearly we will be caught up at the last trumpet. Not before. Revelation 11:18 also says that after the last trumpet the wrath has come. So do not be deceived. The church will experience the seals and trumpets but not the bowls.
You're wrong, Max and so is Mike the Speaker here, the Seven Trumpets are the SAME Wrath as the Seven Bowls! The Seven bowls are merely the Holy Spirit, the inspired author of Revelation's Recap of the SAME EVENTS of the DAY OF THE LORD'S WRATH. But instead of the Seven Trumpets another symbol-the Seven Bowls are used. Please type my name ChewLyeHock in your UA-cam Search and review my EndTime Chart to see if you agree. Thank you.
Could you please read my response above I think you will find it interesting thank you.
@@BombshellBibleProphecies will u read my comment above I think u will find it interesting thank you.
@J P could you please consider my comment above thank you.
The 7 trumpets of Rev were revealed to John many years after Paul.was martyred. How could Paul be referring to the 7th trumpet of Rev. ? How would the Corinthians and Thessalonians have made that connection when the 7 trumpets hadn't been revealed yet? It is clearly not the 7th trumpet of Revelation that Paul was referring to..
What did Jesus say...as in the days of Lot...THE SAME DAY Lot was taken out, the fire came down.
What is the first trumpet in Rev..FIRE mixed with blood and hail.
Those who have the seal of God on their foreheads at Rev 9:4 can only be the 144,000 jews.
And that is in the first 3,5 years.
....I think so, too. Chapter 6 is in the first half of the 7 year period and mentions 'wrath of the lamb'
I think the whole 7 years is The Lords wrath builds up in tempo to judge and to bring people as many as possible to repentance. And then it really ramps up in the second 1260 day period to the climax at the battle if Jerusalem and Jesus landing on the Mount of Olive to wage a war against the nations. By this time the rapture of the church has well and truly cone and gone.
"Great tribulation will start at the midpoint..."
This is not completely accurate. The midpoint in Revelation is marked by the 7th trumpet (Judea flees immediately following this 7th trumpet) but it is some time AFTER that that the Beast was seen rising, and even more time later when the False Prophet shows up. "Those days" of "great tribulation" will not begin in Revelation until late in Chapter 14, AFTER God sends angels to warn the people about the mark. This is confirmed in Chapter 15 when the myrtyrs begin showing up in heaven.
Order of Events
1) Great Tribulation
then
2) Cosmic event
then
3) wrath of God as in Day of the Lord
Now let's show the REAL scriptural order:
***1) Signs in the sun and moon as total eclipses: Sun turns black, moon turns red.
then (6th seal)
***2) The start of God's wrath as in the DAY of the Lord (6th seal)
then
3) the 7th seal begins the 70th week.
4) the BOOK Is opened since all seals are opened
5) the first thing read in the book is seven angels getting their trumpets.
6) the first 6 trumpets sound, The HURT on earth has begun.
7) the 7th trumpet sounds as the abomination takes place. (Rev. 11 and Matthew 24)
then, the second half of the 70th week will begin
8) Those in Judea flee since they saw the abomination
9) Property closing in heaven: Jesus gets back planet earth. WAR in heaven as Satan is cast down
10) The Antichrist Beast seen rising to power.
11) The False prophet shows up
12) The False Prophet plans the Image and the MARK
13) The 144,000 are seen in heaven.
14) Rev. 14) Angels are sent to warn people.
***15) Days of great tribulation begin
16) Days of great tribulation get INTENSE
17) God sends angels to pour out the bowls of His wrath to STOP the days of GT.
18) Days of GT are shortened. Days will continue, but they will only be days of darkness.
19) Babylon (the great city of Jerusalem) is destroyed AS the 7th bowl ends the week.
20) The OLD TESTAMENT saints are resurrected "on the last day."
21) The marriage and supper take place in heaven (Rev. 19)
***22) COSMIC SIGNS will appear: this time the sign of TOTAL DARKNESS (Matthew 24)
22) Jesus descends to earth for the battle of Armageddon
*** Events from his chart.
Notice HOW DIFFERENT God's scriptural order is compared to his order.
"Seal 5, martyrs of the great tribulation..."
Sorry, Brother Mike, but you have missed something. John has not yet even started "the tribulation or the 70th week. He is EARLY in the church age, just before Paul got converted. You are 2000 years off here. John and the Holy Spirit are thinking Paul sent murdering Christians, and you are thinking antichrist. You have completely missed the message of Chapters 4 and 5. WHEN did Jesus send the Holy Spirit down? (Rev. 5)
God's Wrath starts at the first seal.
So, at the 5th seal. When the martyrs are asking God, "How long O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?". Why didn't God say, "What are you talking about? I have been." Instead He tells them to rest a little longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Can you please read my response above thank you
Kevin Ball You’ve attempting to look at all 7 years as wrath from God, but nowhere does the Bible indicate this. We are not appointed to God’s wrath which is called the Day of the Lord. But, that doesn’t happen until the back half of the 70th week of Daniel or well past the 3.5 year mark. See Revelation 6:17, this is when the timing of the Day of the Lord’s Wrath begins.
Believers will face the wrath of Satan, but not the wrath of God.
7th seal, silence in Heaven..