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“The Sith have outgrown the use of lightsabers, but we continue to use them if only to humiliate the Jedi.”
2 second tldr
They used them because red lightsaber Looks Sick
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Boy did that bite him in the arse in the second Death Star
That’s so boss
Just my opinion but I think why Palpatine feels he didn't need a lightsaber is because when you use a lightsaber it's because you failed somewhere. You shouldn't even have to face your enemy unless you made a mistake. He removed the Jedi through manipulation, and trickery. Not because of lightsaber skill, or even facing them. He only need the lightsaber after he'd been discovered. I think he was only discovered because of Anakin (if memory serves). So his plan was almost flawless. He nearly removed the entire Jedi order without any of them even knowing who their enemy was.
Great point
agreed
So basically he didn’t need the lightsaber at all he told Anakin just so he could troll more in the end xd
@@Iceaberg17 I don't really remember but he had said just enough to Anakin for him to suspect that he was a Sith, and warned Mace about it. It was a calculated risk that Palpatine took to get Anakin on his side, and in the end it worked.
Yes, or just electrocute them
Jedi: *Uses lightsaber*
Palpatine: "So uncivilized"
The real story of starwars is the ongoing rivalry between palpatine and lightsabers. Given that a lightsaber scarred his face, his first body was destroyed by falling into the death star (which was effectively a big lightsaber), and 2 lightsabers destroyed him for good. All while palpatine killed thousands of innocent lightsabers to make his death stars and his sith fleet.
Lmao
A light saber didn't scar his face (if ur refering to the mace windu fight) that only revealed his true face his lightning reflected back at him removed the force alchemy he used to conceal his face from the jedi
@@LUCIFER-M0RN1NGSTAR No Force light change has face according to George Lucas
@@spark300c no his face was scarred all along due to his time as a sith with pleagus he used alchemy to conceal his true face the dark side takes a toll on people causing there skin to lose its colour and go all white and there eyes all yellow Darth malgus is an example of this exact thing all mace windu did was reveal the true face of the suth
His face was scarred from his time spent in the dark side.
Twice a lightsaber could have saved palpatine’s life but he still stuck with force lightning. Had he summoned Luke’s lightsaber after vader turned on him he could have easily killed him and Luke and had he summoned bens lightsaber to fight Rey instead of force lightning he could have easily beaten her. His overconfidence isn his weakness his over reliance on force lightning is.
Force lightning was way more effective against Vader than a lightsaber would’ve been anyway buddy..lol
Well it sure didn’t stop vader from picking Him up and throwing him down the shaft. Had he quickly summoned the saber and used it to sever Vader a remaining arm him and Luke would be screwed.
Well... we all know that his defeat by rey was total bullshit at least lol. The sequels are never going to be cannon to me. Sideous died on the 2nd deathstar.
@@1980999chris cope
It's how he killed Darth Plageius as well.
It could be argued that mastering all 7 form is exactly why he came to the conclusions he did. Once he realized that they didn't quite help him achieve his goals the way he hoped it would.
His first lightsaber reminded me of a king or emperors sword in different franchises. Very ornate and exquisite
Just a sudden thought. Palpatine may have been trained with the lightsaber and mastered it. Then as his power grew, the lightsaber became less and less of the devastation he could cause as opposed to the use of the force. So he may have felt he had "outgrown" the use of lightsabers and felt superior to anyone who wielded one as their primary means of power.
I think another aspect is that during the time of the empire Sidious had no threats that he couldn’t handle with the force or his cunning genius Vader yoda and obi weren’t really threats as 2 were in exile and the other he controlled but any rebels Jedi survivors he could just kill with the force Any uprising he could end with his unlimited resources
Those viewpoints could have formed after all of his saber practice. And he definitely uses sabers to show just how out classed his opponents are in both the force and dueling
I don’t think it’s weird that Palpatine trained extensively with a lightsaber. He probably trained and mastered form 7 when he was younger. Then as he became older and wiser realized this was not an effective way to destroy the Jedi order.
Exactly. I think he also genuinely enjoyed the thrill of combat. It's mentioned that he was something of an adrenaline junkie when he was younger, constantly racing speeder bikes. And when he dueled Maul/Savage, and even Yoda, he seemed to be having the time of his life. He could've killed Maul and Savage the second he forced pushed them into the windows, but purposely let them go, so he could have a bit of sport.
In that same duel, he also does a lot of fancy, acrobatic moves/blocks that are somewhat unnecessary, and seem more like him showing off.
It makes sense he would train himself in using a lightsaber extensively,it wasn't that he himself didn't think he outgrew them but to Sidious a lightsaber any lightsaber is simply a tool,unlike how the Jedi and even Vader think of their lightsabers he's much more caviler about using it where he'll even lend one to Vader in his early years without much issue on his part
I believe some of the times that he uses a lightsaber feel like he is saying that the opponent isn't even worth his actual power, which lies in his strength with the force. The battle with Savage and Maul felt very much like that to me.
I totally agree with everything stated in the video -- I just want to point out that Vader only killed the insect queen because Sidious weakened the insect queen by frying it with Force Lightning first. Which, considering that the shell of the insect queen was hard enough to deflect lightsabers normally, is an impressive feat.
Even in the context of Lords of the Sith, Sidious is trying to stir Anakin's memories to the surface, being stranded with his master in a hostile alien environment, and on the run from people hunting them down. Sidious flat out says in the book that his life was never in danger so he was indeed playfighting and trying to goad one Jedi to see if that Jedi is still there to goad.
everything is proceeding as i have foreseen....
Lol
Your over confidence is your weakness
Sidious "I hate Lightsabers"
Also Sidious "it's treason then aaah".
It’s a power move, pure and simple. While it might be impressive for him to just fry everyone with lightning, the lightsaber is “the weapon of the Jedi”. To beat them their own game, using their tools, that’s a flex.
He was not stronger with the force than Yoda
he just had the high ground
the high ground makes all the difference
I imagine that Palpatine used his lightsabers on Rhyloth because of Darth Vader's presence. While he does seem to have SOME control over the path of his Force Lightning, it is still shown to arc somewhat wildly (if the sequels are ignored). Because he designed Darth Vader's suit and made it weak to Force Lightning, he probably used the lightsaber(s) because he still needed an apprentice until he could replace Vader. If you take the sequels into account, he could have just blasted his enemies with lightning to kill them, although Luke Skywalker did survive being hit by Sideous' lightning at least once, so...
Luke survived his lightning because sideous wasnt trying to kill him, only convert him at first. Once he said "now you die" he turned his power up, and vader then knew he had to act because he knew luke was about to die.
@@1980999chris true, sith can control their power of the lightnings, that's where fun begins :v
@@1980999chris fair enough.
Amazing,fantastic job.
I like how his final attack was not a lightsaber one. I like how he was defeated by lightsaber reflection, a defensive move. Poetic.
And despite the mockery he still enjoys the thrill of battle . Forms 2, 4, 6 and 7 in a hybridized Jar’kai are his styles
Palpatine had a tiny lightsaber
I’ve been looking forward to this
Darth Sidious : With each strike your hatred grows! 😈
Someday I hope to not need a force pike anymore.
Mace Windu actually did win against Sidious fair in square, mainly due to his vappad ability.
Vaapad doesn't help against Dark Side users in canon lore.
I think any force user can "outgrow the need" for a lightsaber in combat, but I'd find it wise to keep a lightsaber or other weapon handy just in case the opportunity presents itself where a weapon IS needed. The Force can be used to stop blaster bolts and catch or deflect weapon slashes, sure, but if you're unprepared or your connection to the force falters, yousa in deep doodoo without a physical weapon
Imagine if the Episode 3 both fight/battles with Sidious vs. Yoda and Obi-Wan vs. Anakin/Vader were strictly Force Powers only (Force Lighting and Force telekinesis). It was kind of like that with Sidious vs. Yoda 75% of the fight, but imagine it being the whole fight. Also, if Obi-Wan and Anakin's Fight/Battle was strictly Force Power would the outcome of the fight/battle be different?
That's cool but I prefer some blade work with the force powers.
I always liked the idea of Jedi and Sith fighting without lightsaber, only using the Force and even some form of Force's kung fu like in Matrix. I think it would be cool because it would show how truly powerful the Force is and it also show that the Jedi can truly be peaceful because they wouldn't need a deadly weapon like the lightsaber.
Why do people assume that anything that comes out of Palpatine's mouth is the truth? He was a compulsive liar and braggart.
I agree
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Another interesting expose. Question. Did Vader ever see the unedited video of Palpatine Vs Yoda? Did he take any notes, or understand his Palpatine's style and weaknesses? Did he sense the fear in Palpatine?
Palpatine is an example of a genius whose good at something but hates it at same time while being gifted at it
“If one is to understand the great mystery, one needs to embrace a larger view.” Sidious pushed to be more powerful in the force and skilled with the blade.
*, one must study all its aspects.
Is this legit?
@@samwise1161 "...a larger view" is in the next sentence basically.
Solid take.
With a Jedi like mace Windu who can deflect back force lighting, he needed it. and if he chose to use the force then vaapad would be on par since its a state of mind and not only blade based. As much as he saw lightsabers as a Joke, he still needed them
Cool vid
Even though Sidious waited for Anakin to arrive during the duel with Mace Winds he lost the duel for he did not expect his force lightning to hit him. After the duel while looking at his now burnt form, he stated his true form was had finally come through. If Mace had used shatter point on Anakin instead of Palpatine Anakin would not have been able to blindside him, ironically it was after Mace finally trusted Anakin is when Anakin betrayed the Jedi for a lie since Palpatine had not yet learned the necessary force ability to save Padme, besides it was Sidious who was placing the dream into Anakin's head creating the necessary force energy to make Anakin's nightmare real. #MaceLives
Palpatine never had the force ability to save Padme. She died of a broken heart and lost her will to live because Anakin action in that present and what he planned on doing in the future. Paps all along was straight lying to Anakin about saving Padme. Vader realized that too but it was too late.
Short answer: this dude is the king of having a back up plan to a back up plan
I shake my head with other channels when they discuss Sith before Sidious.
With their logic, they *could* go "well Sidious doesn't like Lightsabers so it stands to reason he's bad at them"
When this is in fact flawed.
A Sith before Sidious would hate something, but he/she can still be a master of it beyond anyone.
Yoda wasn't the only Jedi who bested him in saber combat, mace windu 100% beat sidious too? he disarmed him and would have killed him if Anakin hadn't intervened. Not sure how you left that out?I think you give him too much credit.
Palpatine threw that fight when he sensed Anakin coming in. He wanted Anakin to make the decision to save him against mace
@@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave George lucas claims that palps lost to mace windows and didn't throw
@@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave I don’t understand why people still say this when George Lucas himself has said that he lost
@@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave he wanted him to, but he didn't for sure know that he would. I don't buy that for a second
@@sublimazed palpatine has the gift of foresight, of course he knew it would happen
What were the Jedi and Sith martial arts styles in hand to hand combat? Did the Jedi and Sith have a more linear or circular form in hand to hand combat?
I anticipate a video on Darth Vitiate.
Hell ya!
The Jedi could've used the kyber crystals to make far more powerful weapons (as Sidious ends up doing), but chose to stick to lightsabers. Anyone can fire a blaster. Anyone can push the Death Star's button. You can't do anything with a lightsaber without proper mastery, though.
The Jedi chose lightsabers to stay somewhat humble and force themselves to become proficient in it, rather than make stronger weapons. Sidious's disdain of lightsabers is just a way to further insult that philosophy; his real mindset is probably something like "why should I stick to these toy swords, when I could build planet-busting cannons with these crystals? Foolish Jedi, wasting them on lightsabers."
Didn't Yoda Prove this correct when he stopped Ventress sabers, turned them of,then took them from her before discarding them
Palpatine always had a grandiose mentality. Even as a kid
There are situations where the Lightsaber is warranted indeed, those situations are Yoda and Mace. Palpatine, relies on his mind, yet his blind side was his arrogance, thats where a lightsaber in the correct hands could do him in despite all the cunning and planning he still couldnt get over his own grandeur and state of superiority.
I've been wondering for some years now, what if you had a Force Wielder who was as talented with Force Lightning (or Electric Judgment) as Sheev, and used that instead of a power cell to activate their saber.
I agree that Palpatine is so damn powerful with the force that he doesn't need a lightsaber. Just has it to mock the jedi. He threw the duel against Windu as soon as Anakin arrived as part of his plan to turn him to the dark side. Only the grand Master Yoda is truly capable of truly dueling with Palpatine.
Sidious technically lost the battle against Mace Windu. Love your take on Sidious here tho! 👌🏼
he lost on purpose tho
Excellent content, this is the first time I've heard someone say Yoda beat sidious in their duel which I totally agree. Also yes sidious was much more confident in his force abilities I disagree that he beat Yoda in the senate chamber on the basis that Yoda has the second highest midclorine count of everyone in starwars also Yoda 8 times as many lifetimes worth of studying the force which leads one to believe his force abilities are unmatched by anyone with the exception of Luke. Last but not least sidious flat out ran away for the entire battle again Yoda, he was scared because he knew he would lose. " If so powerful you are why run?" Hahaha just my opinion
"I d0Nt n3eD n0 dUMB liGhTsAbER" - Darth Sidious, maybe, probably
“There’s something I’ve been keeping from you this entire video (to extend the watch time like always)”
what is the show where this is depicted
Sidious won on Coruscant. Yoda couldn't best him with a blade and both lost them in the fight. The guards didn't show up until well after, and didn't hedge the fight at all.
Read the novelization for Revenge of the Sith. Yoda won the lightsaber duel in the Senate chamber by disarming Sidious. The Dark Lord had to retreat to higher ground to use the senate pods. Remember, in the movie, Yoda was the only one left with his lightsaber. Sidious used force lightning to disarm Yoda, with which Yoda absorbed his force lightning, like he did Dooku in AoTC. The force threw both Sidious and Yoda in different directions. Thus, ending the battle in a stalemate.
He keeps them just as a mockery and to toy with the Jedi. His force powers are so great that they compensate greatly for him in battle.
Han Solo: “Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid”.
I don't know people, each time Sidious ignited his lightsaber sh$$t got real and i got the ultimate chills...
A Sith ability to steal midiclorians from others in order to increase their power would be awesome. "UNLIIIIIMITEEEEED POOOOOOWER!" while he sucks midiclorians out of everyone haha
I think Sidious probably said this when he was drunk. “Bro I’m so strong in the force I could definitely take Mace and Yoda at the same time with just the force.”
palpatine: “the Sith have outgrown the use of lightsabers”
*has more than one and is casually one of the best duelists in the galaxy*
If you closely in the Mace Windu fight, the lightsaber that Sidious uses has Anakin's hilt. Kinda highlighting how Sidious used him as a weapon against the Jedi
in the novel of revenge of the sith yoda didn't disarm him he just stoped using the lightsaber and stared using the force on yoda
I agree the pen is mightier than the sword even far far away.
Lords of the Sith is a good book. He almost came to blows with Vader when he tried to kill the village girl he referred to
Only because Darth Sidious thought Lord Vader was betraying him at that moment. But the moment passed quickly when Lord Vader gave him the reason for stopping the blade from killing the little girl. But Darth Sidious made Darth Vader kill the little girl in the end and everyone else in that village. I look at this as a type of punishment for Lord Vader and also to test him to see if he really left his old life alone.
You need to fix the music at the end I'm here playing your videos using a speaker and I get a loud ass song at the end that disturbs a lot of my coworkers.
Did Jedi and Sith master any other weapons skills beside lightsaber forms? How many weapons skills did the Jedi and Sith master on average? Did the Jedi and Sith practice iron skills?
He needed them to mock the Jedi
So ...That was quite interesting. Now, to what I personally think ,is that yes, Sidious is right,not literally but considering that what he actually meant with his claim is what was described at the end of the video. Still though ,I object to what was stated about how he didn't ever let his arrogance become a weakness.Cause unlike what was said that he believed ,the Jedi , eventually managed to defeat him simply by taking lessons from him and starting to rely more on the power of their intelligence in order to counter the sith. In fact,everything that happened in the OT was part of a brilliant plan , orchestrated by Yoda already at the end of ROTS .What really happened as also what COULD had happened, taking in account every possible alternative would come out by Anakin or one of his children being the Chosen One . Something that it's in more detail described on the work "There is another"where we learn that Yoda secretly wanted to train Leia instead of Luke and even was ok with him getting killed by Vader when he was about to face him in the cloud city .So the Jedi did also actually evolved spiritually just like the sith .And was that what allowed them to survive ,even by learning the secrets of the afterlife.
both sides evolved spiritually in opposite ways.
Lightsabers are awesome
Look at 1.10! ANAKIN'S lightsabre hilt!
Yeah, maybe he didn't like lightsabres, but they sure came in handy when it came to Jedi attempting to decapitate him.
Windu had Palpatine best before Anakin cut off his hand.
who is more powerful in the force, Darth Sidious, or Tulak Hord?
Darth Sidious is superb lightsaber duelist.
sounds to me that Palpatine thought about lightsabers as one does about condoms "it's better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them"
the use of the blade will hide how powerful he really is.
I think the beasts from the lords of the sith book were called lilacs
People get it wrong exar kun mastered all lightsaber forms but Niman was his favorite because he could combine it with his force abilities like dark tendrils also he mastered lightsaber skills from tulak hord and the jedi exile that's why he was UnStoppable in lightsaber combat also exar kun was similar to emperor papaltine reborn in raw force power and potential since tom veich confirmed it on his Twitter before he passed away
Actually Mace did defeat him with a lightsaber, and he was not powerful enough to overcome Mace disarmed.. and had it not been for Anikin’s last second betrayal, Sidious would be dead.
I think he needed the saber to fight Jedi. However, with all the other Jedi gone, who could really threaten him in any way outside of other Sith that may have used one and through which he could not just use telekinesis to choke them or throw them around like a rag doll...or electrocute them across the city! He didn't have to worry about Vader because of his pitiful excuse for a suit...Maul was gone. Outside of Talzin and someone Talzin may have trained (I am pretty sure he kept a close eye on them out of that fear), what did he have to fear? And boy, he was highly over arrogant when it came to Luke Skywalker...or was he? Even if Luke had not thrown his light saber away, did he know how to block lighting with it? Did he know tutaminis? I don't think so (but I don't know why - supposedly it was taught to initiates at the Jedi Academy but if that were the case, why did Anakin get thrown across the room like...wait for it...a rag doll, making it look like Anakin had never even heard of force lightning).
I wonder if Vader had not come up behind him and basically sacrificed himself in killing (I don't care, I haven't sat down and watched any of the new ones - so he's dead for t his discussion) Sidious, if Sidious could have taken them both on? I think that would be an interesting topic if it hasn't already been discussed
Mace Windu legit beat Sidious though.
So now, he DIDN’T lose to Mace Windu? He meant for his face to get f***ed up? 😆
I think Dooku would have made a badass emperor, especially if played by Christopher Lee.
Perhaps the Sith should've developed a more exclusive weapon to further distinguish them from the Jedi.
Yep, he still wanted to have a back up emergency saber just incase anything else happened and to tame his so called 'arrogance'.
I never got the idea that his Lightsaber design mocked the Jedi. The one-handed hilt had an electrum palm grip, but the casing was made of Lightsaber resistant Phrik metal. Frankly that just sounds practical. If anything, having such an elaborate Saber would be an exploitable attachment.
While the Jedi teach that a "Lightsaber is your life". Lightsabers are just possessions. They aren't disposable but a Jedi should be able to discard it if absolutely necessary.
He would also have had to choice but to become a lightsaber duellist. As his master forced him
He was right to an extent, he was killed twice without the need of a lightsaber.
So you mean to tell me Palpatine iced out his lightsaber??!????
Blinded by his own ego.
I mean since a lightsaber can stop force lightning and the Jedi have force shields 🛡 the lightsaber made it easier to break through there defenses and crush them but I mean if he really needed to I bet he could have killed everyone with the force that he fought if we believe his unlimited power statement
George Lucas himself the creator of Star wars recently came out was asked that question about whether mace actually beat palpatine ferrets for a palpatine we just playing and he said without a doubt that may speak palpatine in that dual fair and square had it not been for Anakin palpatine would have been arrested or he would have been probably he would have been killed
Day 3 of asking nicely to please do a lore video on the sith emperor vitiate
He was hypocritical in many things. He claimed Vader would grow to be far more powerful than himself, as if he would have allowed that. He would rather continue to torture Luke than outright kill him even after claiming to do so. He would say Vader's feelings are conflicted and would confuse his attunement to the Force, instead of accepting that he himself couldn't sense Luke arriving at Endor. He insulted Vader on multiple occasions on losing to Kenobi on Mustafar, even thought it must have Ben obvious to him he would have also lost to Yoda if he didn't get extremely lucky in their duel
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He hated lightsabers so much that he decided to carry 2 of them 😂
The simple fact of the matter is, Sidious like all other Sith before him are just arrogant to a fault, greatly overestimating their skill.
Maybe if he'd stop hating lightsabers, he wouldn't have been disarmed by Yoda and absolutely clapped on my Windu
There are some points where sidious 100% needs a lightsaber like against yoda and mace and there are points where he definitely doesn’t like with maul and savage