i have a pointless build mk4 2.0 new long block forged pistons an rods lightend pulleys high pressure fuel regulator i believe they made a 5 speed but new auto 01m should due i think anything under 200hp will be fine also with a tune u dont really get shizzznit out of that motor literally a pointless build
I had the same thing happens this week on my build.. I tested grounds, I used jumper cables, I changed starters, I looked at the alignment bushing in the transmission, I was concerned it was something bigger seeing as I built the block 15 years ago..lol it ended up being a ground.. curious to see what this ends up being!
ive done so many mk1/2 swaps that ive had this type of PTSD for years. im going to be doing the dumbest swap before too long, its a vr6 rabbit pickup build, but it wont be front OR rear wheel drive, and it isnt a haldex awd....
I love it when you just stumble across a UA-cam channel that's a hidden gem full of gold; and you're just guaranteed hours upon hours of entertainment.
I love how Paul just interrupts what he was saying at 14:55 to finish the song and say "Pump it up" and then just continues on like nothing happened, lmao!
As a shade tree mechanic that often gets bogged down by these types of, "the chances of this being the issue are 0.001%," I very much appreciate the two of you leaving this entire process in the final cut. Great video series, thanks for sharing.
I know this was a long time ago, but were you able to get that 1.8T in there? I'm a scirocco owner and have been thinking about swaps myself and the 1.8T seems like it would be really fun...
This is my dream mod. I owned both an '82 MKII Scirocco brick red color with the SCIROCCO letters on the hatchback glass, and later a '92 Corrado SLC VR6. Miss them both DEARLY.
I snagged a rocco 2 that was sitting for 18 yrs in a barn in manteca California, and then a 2l up in WA that was replaced for a jetta vr6 swap.color was the same, red. Had to replace all the soft bits, fuel lines water and oil etc. That thing was like a motorcycle, the way it went through the gears (Shrick exhaust cam and Tectonics exhaust). Yours would be like strapping your ass to a rocket lol!! Amazing work youve done, and i sincerely thank you for reviving an old mk2, theyre rare now. Im a h20 vw head from the past and your video has got me drooling!!!!
I just found your channel. My first was an 86 GLI Wolfsburg edition. I was hooked. I drove it ten years an finally got a Wolfsburg edition Jetta. I loved that car but damn, radio at 51k , I take manifold at 53k, water pump at 70k… it broke my heart. God help me, I’m going to get a Golf R when they arrive for my 60th birthday. I question my sanity…
Paul and Charles... Dynamic Duo. Awesome series. Thanks for doing this. I will literally NEVER swap a motor into an 84 Scirocco, but loved every minute, nonetheless. Thanks guys!
Ok for the record, I was screaming "it's the starter!" at the screen. I have no one to make a bet with cause my wife is the only one here and she thinks I'm weird. But if it's the starter, and it is, I'm gonna tell "I was right" at the screen. Now you know.
I am getting SOOO excited to see this. My heart was beating so fast watching you three put the motor in. I LOVE this kind of stuff. Can’t wait to see the finished project. Gets me excited to work on my Jetta.
nice build guys. regarding those metal fuel lines, better to just get rid of them right up front, it's faster and easier to replace them with MK2/3 plastic lines from the pump forward. the CIS banjo fitting on the fuel pump is barbed and fits the plastic line perfectly, just apply a little heat gun to the plastic line and slip on. the other end of the plastic line has a metal fitting with a hollow metal sleeve that has a bead to hold a regular 8mm hose to run to the fuel rail.
This series is an emotional roller coaster. It's already more enjoyable than all of Game of Thrones. I got so caught up watching the first episode last night I burned the ribs I was cooking. And the inuendo jokes are on. point.
I built one of these back in the late 80's to rally. I lucked out getting one that had been bought new and pretty much garaged and forgotten. So many seam welds and the cage was a absolute nightmare. These cars are way underrated for asphalt..mine stuck like it rolled on suction cups. It took a completely different setup though for forest roads though.
two things i learned never to skimp on. things that make you go, and things that make you stop.... IE brake and fuel lines. But Im eager to see where this goes. Lol
I love how fast this series is coming out/happedned. I would love to see what this think can do. Like quarter mile times. Or race between other VWs (this vs that hoonigan style). Or like a autocross event with comparison between other cars. Or like a grid life type thing like gears & gasoline. This build is sweet, but the best part for me is driving the car :)
I remember when my 1.4 mk4 golf was having start/ignition cuts. Knew it had to be a over current pull like a blown electric motor I changed the starter it still did it. Noticed wipers kinda moved when trying to start. Pulled fuse for wiper now it starts everytime perfectly. ELECTRIC MOTOR DIAGNOSTIC IS THE GOOD SHIT
And this is why we did an ALH swap into the caddy instead of a VR6. Charles - says he didn't like v10 Touaregs because the engine bay is too tight - then does this. LOL
@@HumbleMechanic I know, I’ve seen them lately for around 2000 grand. Of course all stock original and needed a lot of work. But still I would jump on it if I could.
Nice to see its not just me that hits these lows on an engine swap. I went through heartache on wiring the last one, only to figure out after 20hrs that I just missed plugging in a plug way under the dash lol.
30+ year Scirocco16V devotee. No.1, Oil pan is REAL LOW. No.2, Will the hood close? Wanted to swap for a while, loving the new ECU & wiring kits, engine mounts for non PL engines, looking forward to more episodes. Thanks for the links to engines swap parts sources. Good luck !!
As someone who has done this on VWs from that age a couple times.. It just hurts to watch this, but it's expected for people who do it the first time especially when you got such a limited amount of time. I've seen guys here in Europe just ram a block in like that in about 15 minutes with a forklift and a crowbar. The starter issue is most definitely a loss of power of some sort (ground cable or not enough supply) , because the starter cranks just fine, just really slow. If that isn't it the only other possibility is that the starter is just bad or locked up
Going through all the hoops to find that brand new parts are bad, sucks. It's happened to me and it's always STUPID because you are so confident new parts are good.
time for an upgrade, 16v brakes, sway bar, 16v lower brace if it will fit with the VR6, 100MM CVs..... I love some of the goodies you got, the coilovers especially. LOL, the shifter ball took a shit as well......... I am actually amazed it was still there at all though. If I remember right there is a narrow and wide rocco radiator, if nothing else one from a quantum is wider if I remember right. Now the rocco radiator is something used in normal hotrods, so they are available in completely aluminum models with more cores. Its not cheating, gantry crane for the win any time you can use it, and that one is the best Chinesium money can buy! Don't move, don't even breath! Holy crap thats tight.... Lucky guy working that tight hole...... AH, Butyl, the stickiest, and hardest crap to get off your skin known to man. LOL@ the race switch, I was going to ask how hard it was to build the harness with a plug for the OE ignition lock, then I remembered how crappy those were anyway. New battery, turns over by hand, bad starter or cables. I dont run into bad new starters very often, but they do happen.
The bigger the beard, the more knowledge and skill ... ??? Saw it on the Discovery Channel ...:P Seriously, you guys are doing a fine job. Greetings from Poland.
I'm with Charles , a starter on a engine like this should have the tendency to roll around it's own axle when supplied with sufficient juice under no load. Looking in on the specs off the starter, it should say what the current draw is in a no load condition, when you have a 'ampclamp' you are able to rule that out.
Also, the largest wheel size you can fit in S2 is 16" x7" 4x100 with some bottoming out. Don't take out the plastic front wheel liners, they are not available anywhere. Check out Scirocco.org for wheel and tire guides, as speedometer and odometer issues happen with alternate wheel sizes. Also, with bigger wheels you need spacers, usually 8mm to 10mm to clear struts and brakes.
This may be a dumb question; but, why did you not remove the oil pan from the bottom of the engine? Seemed like that was one of your main issues getting the engine in... It's probably a horrible idea; but, I'm asking because I don't know if that's an option or just too risky from something getting in the bottom or if a part of the frame bumped the internal of the engine.
Big mistake not installing that crossmember brace, your front crossmember will crack and they are just as effective with only one bolt in on each side. Factory Mk2 Scirocco 16vs had enough power to crack the front crossmember and you are what, well over doubling that HP and TQ. EDIT - I see several shots where you were working out how to get the VR6 in with it installed - did you guys end up using it?
1st Episode - ua-cam.com/video/iOBnb9RO7pc/v-deo.html
New Episode - ua-cam.com/video/8xRSSx-uVE0/v-deo.html
Jamie's Black Bumper DIY - ua-cam.com/video/mi_tOXQ5xk0/v-deo.html
i have a pointless build mk4 2.0 new long block forged pistons an rods lightend pulleys high pressure fuel regulator i believe they made a 5 speed but new auto 01m should due i think anything under 200hp will be fine also with a tune u dont really get shizzznit out of that motor literally a pointless build
This is better than the shows on the Motor Trend channel. So raw and not scripted.
I am getting PTSD from this.....
I had the same thing happens this week on my build.. I tested grounds, I used jumper cables, I changed starters, I looked at the alignment bushing in the transmission, I was concerned it was something bigger seeing as I built the block 15 years ago..lol it ended up being a ground.. curious to see what this ends up being!
ive done so many mk1/2 swaps that ive had this type of PTSD for years. im going to be doing the dumbest swap before too long, its a vr6 rabbit pickup build, but it wont be front OR rear wheel drive, and it isnt a haldex awd....
@@ghomerhust Oh I wanna see that
You are a victim of German engineering
My 2 cents. Starter is not grounded properly
Thanks for not spoon feeding this once a week. This has been great to watch!
I love Paul's ridiculously deadpan humour, cracks me up every time
Pump? pump it up.
I love it when you just stumble across a UA-cam channel that's a hidden gem full of gold; and you're just guaranteed hours upon hours of entertainment.
I love how Paul just interrupts what he was saying at 14:55 to finish the song and say "Pump it up" and then just continues on like nothing happened, lmao!
As a shade tree mechanic that often gets bogged down by these types of, "the chances of this being the issue are 0.001%," I very much appreciate the two of you leaving this entire process in the final cut.
Great video series, thanks for sharing.
As someone who is doing a 1.8t/02J in a Mk2 scirocco right now... this video just reminds me how much pain I’m always in.
I know this was a long time ago, but were you able to get that 1.8T in there? I'm a scirocco owner and have been thinking about swaps myself and the 1.8T seems like it would be really fun...
It's great to just see two friends working together in the shop. You guys take what could be really dry and make it fun
This is my dream mod. I owned both an '82 MKII Scirocco brick red color with the SCIROCCO letters on the hatchback glass, and later a '92 Corrado SLC VR6. Miss them both DEARLY.
28:30 "we can be turned down for what"
I had a good laugh at that, thanks
I snagged a rocco 2 that was sitting for 18 yrs in a barn in manteca California, and then a 2l up in WA that was replaced for a jetta vr6 swap.color was the same, red. Had to replace all the soft bits, fuel lines water and oil etc. That thing was like a motorcycle, the way it went through the gears (Shrick exhaust cam and Tectonics exhaust). Yours would be like strapping your ass to a rocket lol!!
Amazing work youve done, and i sincerely thank you for reviving an old mk2, theyre rare now. Im a h20 vw head from the past and your video has got me drooling!!!!
Two big moments. The engine drop (kept waiting for fingers to be smushed) and Paul huffing spray paint. Seriously great build series!
I just found your channel. My first was an 86 GLI Wolfsburg edition. I was hooked. I drove it ten years an finally got a Wolfsburg edition Jetta. I loved that car but damn, radio at 51k , I take manifold at 53k, water pump at 70k… it broke my heart. God help me, I’m going to get a Golf R when they arrive for my 60th birthday. I question my sanity…
I hope doing these types of videos are worth the investment and time... They're great styles of videos, and often hilarious.
The jury is still out, but so happy you liked them!
Paul and Charles... Dynamic Duo. Awesome series. Thanks for doing this. I will literally NEVER swap a motor into an 84 Scirocco, but loved every minute, nonetheless. Thanks guys!
This is great. I really want part 3. Don't feel bad. I have received new parts that were fubar from the start.
You two have got to be one of my favorite duos on youtube
love re-watching this, such a cool journey!
What an epic project! Looking forward to every episode! Makes good mood in these troubled times - Thank You all !!!
I love how you are doing things the way we do things at home.
You guys are awesome, long time since I've enjoyed a youtube video this much!
You guys gotta swap those poke out bumpers with some nice slim euro pieces :)
props from the internet
I love how this is just like an avg group of buddies doing this with a case of beer a box of bandaids. Great video guys.
The burp at 27:52 was so pure stress relief.
Ok for the record, I was screaming "it's the starter!" at the screen. I have no one to make a bet with cause my wife is the only one here and she thinks I'm weird. But if it's the starter, and it is, I'm gonna tell "I was right" at the screen. Now you know.
I am getting SOOO excited to see this. My heart was beating so fast watching you three put the motor in.
I LOVE this kind of stuff. Can’t wait to see the finished project. Gets me excited to work on my Jetta.
Great series, fun to watch! Can’t wait to see that engine start.
Love this collab
14:54
bearded dude "we also pumped up the jam"
nerdie dude: "but pump it up"
me: "make my day!"
wookie roar!
loving this series, reminds me of buying my mk2 just an accelerated timeline
nice build guys. regarding those metal fuel lines, better to just get rid of them right up front, it's faster and easier to replace them with MK2/3 plastic lines from the pump forward. the CIS banjo fitting on the fuel pump is barbed and fits the plastic line perfectly, just apply a little heat gun to the plastic line and slip on. the other end of the plastic line has a metal fitting with a hollow metal sleeve that has a bead to hold a regular 8mm hose to run to the fuel rail.
Really enjoyed this series. You guys work well together and watching Paul and Charles do their thing was great on camera!
Paul...'turned down for what.' LMFAO
This series is an emotional roller coaster. It's already more enjoyable than all of Game of Thrones.
I got so caught up watching the first episode last night I burned the ribs I was cooking.
And the inuendo jokes are on. point.
I used to do this in the early 90s in the driveway, 16v swaps but fun to see.
Nice work fellas... Appreciate good thought and diagnosis of...
Nice build.
Absolutely fantastic audio series guys! Love the build!
I have the faith in you guys! Excited to see the rest now. 🥰
The "twi chains" part made me chuckle!
ok you got my like at the "pump it up" haha, hell of a job so far guys, i'll make to the end of the vid for sure
I gotta say this is good stuff to watch especially when it involves the engine you have. learning and laughing gotta love it!
I built one of these back in the late 80's to rally. I lucked out getting one that had been bought new and pretty much garaged and forgotten. So many seam welds and the cage was a absolute nightmare. These cars are way underrated for asphalt..mine stuck like it rolled on suction cups. It took a completely different setup though for forest roads though.
two things i learned never to skimp on. things that make you go, and things that make you stop.... IE brake and fuel lines. But Im eager to see where this goes. Lol
i’m old, and burnt, and stuck in my ways. i believe the 16V was meant for the rock, and VR belong in corrados. g60’s were a stout block tho
Great video series guys! Loved those old Siroccos. Tight holes uhuhuhuh
If this episode were actually my brothers &;friends doing this work, it would have ended in a shouting match and tears by now.
I love eurowise stuff. They were super helpful while doing the 3.6 swap in the corrado.
I love how fast this series is coming out/happedned. I would love to see what this think can do. Like quarter mile times. Or race between other VWs (this vs that hoonigan style). Or like a autocross event with comparison between other cars. Or like a grid life type thing like gears & gasoline. This build is sweet, but the best part for me is driving the car :)
Mk1 fun fact. You can remove the axles without disconnecting the ball joint or tie rod. They barely come out, but they come out.
Love the dry humor, Paul 😅💜
I remember when my 1.4 mk4 golf was having start/ignition cuts. Knew it had to be a over current pull like a blown electric motor I changed the starter it still did it. Noticed wipers kinda moved when trying to start. Pulled fuse for wiper now it starts everytime perfectly. ELECTRIC MOTOR DIAGNOSTIC IS THE GOOD SHIT
Cutting that plastic slowly was like a strange ASMR moment 😂
That was the idea ; )
Did you guys do a voltage drop test from battery to starter ?
And this is why we did an ALH swap into the caddy instead of a VR6.
Charles - says he didn't like v10 Touaregs because the engine bay is too tight - then does this. LOL
You guys should do a 80’s VW truck! That would be sweet
Thankfully they are coming down in price. They got stupid for a while
Mount the engine on the bed - done.
@@jameshaulenbeek5931 big block supercharged hemi! Haha
@@HumbleMechanic I know, I’ve seen them lately for around 2000 grand. Of course all stock original and needed a lot of work. But still I would jump on it if I could.
Hope it is the starter! A lot easier fix if it’s the starter! 🤘🏻
Reminds me of a fancy Road Kill episode. I’ve really enjoyed this series
Nice to see its not just me that hits these lows on an engine swap. I went through heartache on wiring the last one, only to figure out after 20hrs that I just missed plugging in a plug way under the dash lol.
The VR6 is such an awesome engine. I had it in my mk2 TT Quattro and I loved revving the sh*t out of it.
Best radiator for a scirocco vr6 swap is off a jeep cherokee, it fits like a glove and give you the extra real estate Charles was talking about
is this ancient car builds cause this is old af ...... but I like, respect
Why didn't you use 944 control arms?
Great project!
That is the tightest fitment of an engine in an engine bay I've ever seen. 😂😮
Bell, Biv, Devoe called, they suggested the "Smack it up, flip it, rub it down" method.
Awesome swap! A pre-Corrado!👌🏻🤘🏻(& get a set of the euro-spec bumpers… tight to the body & lighter!
Love this! Can’t wait to see you at WITW!
Euro Bumpers and lights are a must for the early scirocco's
This is so awesome you guys killed it
30+ year Scirocco16V devotee. No.1, Oil pan is REAL LOW. No.2, Will the hood close? Wanted to swap for a while, loving the new ECU & wiring kits, engine mounts for non PL engines, looking forward to more episodes. Thanks for the links to engines swap parts sources. Good luck !!
You know when that ship got stuck in the Suez canal? About the same difficulty as swapping anything into a Scirocco.
As someone who has done this on VWs from that age a couple times.. It just hurts to watch this, but it's expected for people who do it the first time especially when you got such a limited amount of time. I've seen guys here in Europe just ram a block in like that in about 15 minutes with a forklift and a crowbar. The starter issue is most definitely a loss of power of some sort (ground cable or not enough supply) , because the starter cranks just fine, just really slow. If that isn't it the only other possibility is that the starter is just bad or locked up
Going through all the hoops to find that brand new parts are bad, sucks. It's happened to me and it's always STUPID because you are so confident new parts are good.
Whoever created the tape Charles found is an absolute legend!
You guys got me so excited 😏 for this build.
C'est un boulot pour "coupable de tout" ça 😅 Bon courage les gars 👍
Oui!
Another awesome series 😍
good luck with the Scirocco! Will be great!!
Отличная работа,ребята,машина будет,как новая,а с таким двигателем,просто будет пуля!
time for an upgrade, 16v brakes, sway bar, 16v lower brace if it will fit with the VR6, 100MM CVs..... I love some of the goodies you got, the coilovers especially. LOL, the shifter ball took a shit as well......... I am actually amazed it was still there at all though. If I remember right there is a narrow and wide rocco radiator, if nothing else one from a quantum is wider if I remember right. Now the rocco radiator is something used in normal hotrods, so they are available in completely aluminum models with more cores. Its not cheating, gantry crane for the win any time you can use it, and that one is the best Chinesium money can buy! Don't move, don't even breath! Holy crap thats tight.... Lucky guy working that tight hole...... AH, Butyl, the stickiest, and hardest crap to get off your skin known to man. LOL@ the race switch, I was going to ask how hard it was to build the harness with a plug for the OE ignition lock, then I remembered how crappy those were anyway. New battery, turns over by hand, bad starter or cables. I dont run into bad new starters very often, but they do happen.
couldn't sleep all night was just thinking about VR6 Scirocco
LOL Luckily it was just a few hours. HA
The bigger the beard, the more knowledge and skill ... ??? Saw it on the Discovery Channel ...:P Seriously, you guys are doing a fine job. Greetings from Poland.
Good ole Vw
I'm with Charles , a starter on a engine like this should have the tendency to roll around it's own axle when supplied with sufficient juice under no load.
Looking in on the specs off the starter, it should say what the current draw is in a no load condition, when you have a 'ampclamp' you are able to rule that out.
I feel your pain, I replaced 3 bran new starter motors. The shop on my third return trip rang their supplier, they got a bad batch in . Raging !
Im glad you guys did this so i know its a horrible idea for me and my dad to try 😂😂
This is the best fever dream I’ve ever watched.
Proper engine swaps, remove the front bumper rad support, grill.
You can’t. It’s part of the body of the car.
Did Paul need to switch to Velcro shoes after doing the painting? Might have zapped a few brain cells there. 😂
Great stuff guys!
Wow, a doozy of an episode with highs and lows, looking forward to tomorrows video and hoping all goes well.
Using a torch on the faded plastic is usually a temporary fix
Heat gun and some bumper gel
27:29 we need a GIF of this part my boys!
Also, the largest wheel size you can fit in S2 is 16" x7" 4x100 with some bottoming out. Don't take out the plastic front
wheel liners, they are not available anywhere. Check out Scirocco.org for wheel and tire guides, as speedometer and
odometer issues happen with alternate wheel sizes. Also, with bigger wheels you need spacers, usually 8mm to 10mm
to clear struts and brakes.
2 Chainz...
Nice 😎
This may be a dumb question; but, why did you not remove the oil pan from the bottom of the engine? Seemed like that was one of your main issues getting the engine in... It's probably a horrible idea; but, I'm asking because I don't know if that's an option or just too risky from something getting in the bottom or if a part of the frame bumped the internal of the engine.
Please do more of these!
The control arms werent even that bad
Looks like Paul really likes his hiphop......
Big mistake not installing that crossmember brace, your front crossmember will crack and they are just as effective with only one bolt in on each side. Factory Mk2 Scirocco 16vs had enough power to crack the front crossmember and you are what, well over doubling that HP and TQ. EDIT - I see several shots where you were working out how to get the VR6 in with it installed - did you guys end up using it?