I’m so happy all the scalpers got to them first. Thanks gw for not fixing any problems with your online distribution service so this can keep happening. Your community is so grateful.
Night lords are by far my favorite chaos space marines so i would love to see more of them We see legit 0 of them in almost every edition and its a crime
Yes, that shutting down strats ability is HUGE. Templars, Blood Angels, any melee army that uses either interupts or 'Fight On Death' is going to be massively impacted by this.
Maybe? They have pretty significant utility into armies that rely on defensive fight phase strats, like fight first/on death, -1 damage, Armor of contempt etc. I definitely wouldn't replace all my legionaries tho, since our good leaders benefit SO much from wound rerolls. I'm gonna test swapping 4x5 legionaries for 2x5 legionaries and 2x5 Nemsis Claws, replacing the squads without a leader. There's definitely some plays with Heroic intervention too. If you're running the Chosen Bile brick, you could keep a Claw hiding in a nearby ruin to intervene, shuting off Honor the Chapter or Profaze Zeal or whatever. All that being said, I'm probably over rating them since my last few opponents were Blood Angel's and Custodes, both of which have REALLY strong strats in the fight phase.
What is the point of the special effect being psychic? Its not an attack so that does nothing right Also how can they do this unit and not let them have lightning claws??
Yes. Because they arent in melee and youre targeting a destroyed unit with reinforcements. Its the same reason we couldnt make reinforcements free with Creed a while back.
These have grenade. Free toss with a lord, then your hitting everything on 2s. Ap -2. Thats pretty good for 110 points. MOE and you could be rerolling hits and wounds. With +1 to hit and wound. 10 man ranged, and you can use a melta and krak missile hitting on 3s. That's a killer or at least may drop units to below half before a charge.
They're kinda pricey for a charge support unit. They can help cripple some units that rely on strats to "do their thing" but im not sure they will get to where they need to be most of the time.
At 100 points throwing one of them in a rhino with a 5 man of legionnaires is potentially funny. At 115 they are too close to a 5 man of chosen. Also would have been nice if they had some synergy with the Night Lord detachment
I feel like their usage is skill intensive and not that rewarding, whereas pointing 11 tanks (or 300 lasguns) at them is not skill intensive but kinda rewarding ;). Unfortunately thats how my elite astartes find their end in 99% of games.. Full disclosure I am not IG hater. Obviously 11 tanks need to be bought, painted and assembled which take dedication and a lot of time effort. So NO, I am not behind more imperial guard nerfs (similar to foot-templars holocaust&many more).
@@halfLotusMusic Do you have a coaching service? Because I'd love to learn how to play 40k without ever once being charged by 2 units at the same time 😉
Prey sight activated.... Love the real stratagem fuckery these guys can put out, can really see them causing a shake up in the CSM meta. AVE DOMINUS NOX!
I say this facetiously and still a bit bitter. “BOY THEY ARE SO OVER POWERED. THEY ARE WAY TO GOOD! THEY NEED TO BE NEEFED. WE CANT LET THE META ADJUST!!!” Yes I’m a bit biter. I don’t like when knee jerk nerfs hit a faction.
As a dedicated Night lords player...yesterday's random announcement of this unit was like Xmas morning come early lol
I’m so happy all the scalpers got to them first.
Thanks gw for not fixing any problems with your online distribution service so this can keep happening.
Your community is so grateful.
My little black templar heart is jealous af. Good vid as always man.
These guys are what Reivers wish they were
@@TacticalTortoise The Rievers will eventually be 50 points and then we might consider bringing them
inb4 all the loyalists start complaining that they don't have enough unique units
Night lords are by far my favorite chaos space marines so i would love to see more of them
We see legit 0 of them in almost every edition and its a crime
Are they that good? I much prefer cheaper Legionaries with OC2, almost the same weapons and full re-rolls to wound when taking objectives
The stratgem negeation seems insane, will have to give it a go and see how it plays in pratice
Yes, that shutting down strats ability is HUGE. Templars, Blood Angels, any melee army that uses either interupts or 'Fight On Death' is going to be massively impacted by this.
legionaries are holistically better
I agree with the vampire works till anything with precision sneezes at them. They are way to situational. Also regular legionary are cheaper.
Maybe? They have pretty significant utility into armies that rely on defensive fight phase strats, like fight first/on death, -1 damage, Armor of contempt etc. I definitely wouldn't replace all my legionaries tho, since our good leaders benefit SO much from wound rerolls. I'm gonna test swapping 4x5 legionaries for 2x5 legionaries and 2x5 Nemsis Claws, replacing the squads without a leader.
There's definitely some plays with Heroic intervention too. If you're running the Chosen Bile brick, you could keep a Claw hiding in a nearby ruin to intervene, shuting off Honor the Chapter or Profaze Zeal or whatever.
All that being said, I'm probably over rating them since my last few opponents were Blood Angel's and Custodes, both of which have REALLY strong strats in the fight phase.
each traitor legion definitely getting their own upgrade sprue kill team and 40K datasheet
I doubt it.
Exciting stuff. Alpha Legion specialist unit when?
They prolly the next chaos faction after Emperor's Children. Either that or they're gonna add more legions to base CSM
All we want is just 1 named character per big legion, other than Black Legion. At least there's Huron.
Solomon akkura is coming for alpha. That would be cool.
What is the point of the special effect being psychic? Its not an attack so that does nothing right
Also how can they do this unit and not let them have lightning claws??
I'm sure at some point they'll print a unit that is unaffected by psychic abilities
Double accursed weapons are effectively lighting claws
If you charge these guys into something like Jump Scions, do the jump scions get to come back with the reinforcement strategm?
Yes. Because they arent in melee and youre targeting a destroyed unit with reinforcements. Its the same reason we couldnt make reinforcements free with Creed a while back.
These have grenade. Free toss with a lord, then your hitting everything on 2s. Ap -2. Thats pretty good for 110 points. MOE and you could be rerolling hits and wounds. With +1 to hit and wound.
10 man ranged, and you can use a melta and krak missile hitting on 3s. That's a killer or at least may drop units to below half before a charge.
They're kinda pricey for a charge support unit. They can help cripple some units that rely on strats to "do their thing" but im not sure they will get to where they need to be most of the time.
Does this mean if an enemy unit is already under the effect of a strategem it will end if the voice eater comes into contact?
No, its mechanically same with battle shock, one would not be able apply new strats, previous strats would work they duration
At 100 points throwing one of them in a rhino with a 5 man of legionnaires is potentially funny. At 115 they are too close to a 5 man of chosen. Also would have been nice if they had some synergy with the Night Lord detachment
Yeah their current cost is borderline; any more expensive and I think you'd never see them. I imagine they settle somewhere in the 100pt range
World eaters should get a kill team
More units for World Eaters plzzzzz
100% a high skill player will be able to make these guys do some big impact plays.
The weapons have substained hits 1 so why take that with dark pacts?
just pick lethals and tyen you have both lethals and sustained.
@@davidjones4772in his damagecalculation he takes substained via pact what takes me to the point above.
With boath the dmg should be higher
I feel like their usage is skill intensive and not that rewarding, whereas pointing 11 tanks (or 300 lasguns) at them is not skill intensive but kinda rewarding ;). Unfortunately thats how my elite astartes find their end in 99% of games..
Full disclosure I am not IG hater. Obviously 11 tanks need to be bought, painted and assembled which take dedication and a lot of time effort.
So NO, I am not behind more imperial guard nerfs (similar to foot-templars holocaust&many more).
Has anyone made the comment about legionaries versus legionnaires yet?
Oh no, I can't use stratagems on my unit that's fighting 110pts of funny-looking Space Marines with chainswords. So anyway...
But what if you're fighting 250 pts of Chosen at the same time tho?
So now they charged 2 units, 360 pts into my key unit? I feel somehow this is my fault and not just that something is good
What if it's with a chaos lord?
@@halfLotusMusic Do you have a coaching service? Because I'd love to learn how to play 40k without ever once being charged by 2 units at the same time 😉
Prey sight activated.... Love the real stratagem fuckery these guys can put out, can really see them causing a shake up in the CSM meta. AVE DOMINUS NOX!
It’s bloody terrible. +20pts more than legionaries; gain stealth BUT lose battleline, OC 2, reroll wounds and 2x power fist / 1x lascannon
I say this facetiously and still a bit bitter.
“BOY THEY ARE SO OVER POWERED. THEY ARE WAY TO GOOD! THEY NEED TO BE NEEFED. WE CANT LET THE META ADJUST!!!” Yes I’m a bit biter. I don’t like when knee jerk nerfs hit a faction.