How to Authentically Portray 18th Century Warfare - The Accuracy of "Revolution" (1985) Part IV

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  • NOTE: It seems that what I refer to as a 'caplock' in this video could actually be an even later piece, a MkIII Snider!
    Finally we come to the fourth and final video in this unnecessarily lengthy look at a battle scene from "Revolution," (1985). In this part, I restrict my complaining, and actually discuss the aspects of this scene that I enjoy! Because honestly, all of its problems aside, I think this scene is actually a very good one that captures an overall sentiment really quite well. While not accurate by any means, it does have a strong sense of historical authenticity, in that it seems to genuinely respect the history it tells.
    At least, this one scene does...for many others, there is a very different story...
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  • @britishmuzzleloaders
    @britishmuzzleloaders 6 років тому +184

    Brandon, I only say this as I am somewhat predisposed to focus on such weapons, but the "cap lock" you refer to at 3:39 appears to be a Mk III Snider,..... even more ahead of it's time. Good work as usual!

    • @1IbramGaunt
      @1IbramGaunt 6 років тому +31

      Hey at least it's not Napoleonic line infantry with Russian Mosin-Nagant rifles haha (lookin' at you, Sharpe)

    • @kaiserofgermania5236
      @kaiserofgermania5236 6 років тому +8

      Yeah you can see the shoe on the Snider.

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +52

      Ah, good catch! I become less and less familiar with firearms the more modern they get! And thank you!

    • @kaiserofgermania5236
      @kaiserofgermania5236 6 років тому +3

      @@BrandonF Same, I am more familiar with ww2 weapons than today's weaponry.

    • @Riceball01
      @Riceball01 6 років тому +1

      @@kaiserofgermania5236 It's not that hard, most present day weapons are either some sort of AR variant or an AK variant. Ok, I may be exagerrating some but ARs and AKs are all over the place and ARs are ever present in the US civlian market and both France and Germany are looking at replacing their current issue rifles with the H&K 416 which is an AR variant.

  • @BrandonF
    @BrandonF  6 років тому +105

    Hello all!
    I am terribly sorry, but it only struck me that I need to start including a full ‘credits’ sequence at the end of these videos after I had rendered it. As I am currently away from home for a few days, and working off of a laptop, the rendering process is about six or so hours as opposed to one like usual. Rather than delay the video another day, I decided to upload it as-is, and to include a full list here. I also still need to determine how people would like to be named!
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    • @mattattack6717
      @mattattack6717 6 років тому +1

      BRANDON!!!!

    • @NihilsineDeo1866.
      @NihilsineDeo1866. 6 років тому

      Brandon congratulations for 40 000 sub

    • @maddoxarguelles9133
      @maddoxarguelles9133 6 років тому

      Congrats Brandon, to a new year of videos and correcting Hollywood's mistakes!

    • @WarlordWulf
      @WarlordWulf 6 років тому

      Keep up the good work :)

    • @giancarloaquino5536
      @giancarloaquino5536 6 років тому +1

      Brandon F. I heard that British accents during the 1700s were the same as Modern American ones, not sure if it’s true but if it is it would be a interesting video

  • @robocox9mil882
    @robocox9mil882 6 років тому +280

    You wanna talk about historical accuracy, have a stroke over battlefield 5.

    • @119winters5
      @119winters5 6 років тому +9

      Different timeline of interest

    • @projeftcancelled9555
      @projeftcancelled9555 6 років тому +62

      STOP, YOU ARE GOING TO KILL HIM!

    • @markwilliams2620
      @markwilliams2620 6 років тому +23

      Wait.....JU 88's CAN'T do 120 degree banked turns 100 feet off the deck? My compatriots have to tell me to shut up everytime that bloody commercial airs.
      Full disclaimer: Mommy and Daddy didn't get me an Atari for Christmas in '81 and I am still bitter. And no.....noob...it wasn't a 2600 at that time.

    • @Sanian38
      @Sanian38 6 років тому +1

      Because the multiplayer is historically inaccurate?

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +75

      I'm with Colorado1445- it would kill me!

  • @ThatIrishLass
    @ThatIrishLass 6 років тому +81

    I believe I think I see the reason for the self-contradiction. The film is trying to imitate most Vietnam War films of its day by portraying war as illogical hell, pitying the soldiers who fight it..and damning the officers and politicians who start it, even if they need to caricature or distort to get that impression across.

    • @MacCoalieCoalson
      @MacCoalieCoalson 6 років тому +9

      The Learned Soldier I believe that you may have a point there! That's an interesting angle, I definitely didn't think of that while watching the video.

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 6 років тому +11

      I'd agree. Zulu did a similar thing to make a war film more palatable

    • @someguy3766
      @someguy3766 4 роки тому +7

      The officers were often as much victims of politics as the men they led. Indeed casualty rates were often much higher among officers, given their value as targets and their tendency to lead from the front.

    • @samuel10125
      @samuel10125 3 роки тому

      @@MacCoalieCoalson Still don't need to use cartoonist stereotypes to make that point though.

    • @Lancasterlaw1175
      @Lancasterlaw1175 Рік тому

      Decade too late for the Vietnam war though right? I think at least part of it could be due to being from the British perspective. The Revolutionary War is much more viewed from the opposition Whigs (Liberal party) perspective which saw the American theatre of the war as a senseless waste than the Tory (conservative) perspective.

  • @Schattengewaechs99
    @Schattengewaechs99 6 років тому +114

    Historically a catastrophe, but artistically very interesting.

    • @charliemcgee9803
      @charliemcgee9803 5 років тому +1

      No it's not

    • @Moojingles_
      @Moojingles_ 3 роки тому +2

      @@charliemcgee9803 Well that's the end of that then!

    • @charliemcgee9803
      @charliemcgee9803 3 роки тому +1

      @@Moojingles_ I left that dumbass comment a year ago. Time flys.

  • @denaldduck438
    @denaldduck438 6 років тому +71

    Brandon, us viewers and patrons thank you as well for the great content you put on this platform. Hope you have a successful 2019.

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +6

      Thank you! I certainly hope so as well.

  • @frederickthegreatpodcast382
    @frederickthegreatpodcast382 6 років тому +18

    Well if it’s better than “The Patriot” I’m sold

    • @charleshowie2074
      @charleshowie2074 3 роки тому +2

      Even the 1992 space movie is better than The Patriot.

  • @00Trademark00
    @00Trademark00 5 років тому +4

    Your narration is very good Brandon. Moving even, and it only strenghtens the message of the good scenes of the film. I wish more war films were like this, showing the horror and tragedy of war. When you see such an honest portrayal of warfare, paired with your perhaps dramatic but definitely poignant commentary, it makes you realize how horrible war is even when you've never experienced it yourself. My grandmother is old enough to remember the second world war (I'm from Europe) and it is scenes such as these that help me relate to her on a deeper and emotional level when she tells me how horrible a thing war is. I've never experienced war and I hope never to have the misfortune to do so but this is exactly why a good artistic portrayal of war is so important. It can help us, at least a little bit, understand the horror of those who actually have experienced it. As the Greek poet Pindaros says "War is sweet to those who have no experience of it, but the experienced man trembles exceedingly at heart on its approach". So thank you Brandon for realizing this and helping others understand Pindaros' message on a more fundamental and emotional level.

  • @fuzzydunlop7928
    @fuzzydunlop7928 6 років тому +14

    I don't know if one could even call the War of Independence a 'linear conflict'. Perhaps you meant the specific battle shown. In my state of New Jersey the experience of the war is much different. Sure, there's Monmouth and Trenton, but you also have savage partisan conflict in the South - all through the Pines and Long Beach Island - the 'Forage War' in the North - which to my understanding was essentially a contest between the belligerents to see which force could loot the most before the onset of winter. People forget. They've forgotten the truth of that conflict and in place of the truth resides origin mythos for the country. It was Benjamin Franklin's illegitimate son who was governor - if I remember correctly. He was a loyalist. Much of New Jersey remained loyal to the crown. In New Jersey it is remembered (or perhaps, not remembered at all) a neighbor against neighbor, friend against friend, with the vast majority simply wanting to go on with their lives. It's not uncommon where I live to see historical markers meant to memorialize one atrocity or another. Within 10 miles of my house there are at least two sites where a dozen or so men were bayoneted in their sleep by folks from the same community. One militia against the other. A dirty, dirty war. In truth New Jersey must've seemed more like Sarajevo than Waterloo. But we forget.

    • @ryantandy307
      @ryantandy307 4 роки тому

      I grew up in Oradell, not far from Soldier Hill Road, and the Christie House. NJ is still like that imo ... ;)

  • @hallamhal
    @hallamhal 6 років тому +24

    I know what you mean about the terrible pastiche of a British aristocrat... But that's Richard O'Brian and he sounds and acts like that in real life!

    • @Apollo890
      @Apollo890 6 років тому +8

      Richard O' Brian of the Crystal Maze? my God, but when I watched it again I thought oh yeah really is him.

  • @Casavo
    @Casavo 6 років тому +1

    My good sir, the poetic way in which you describe this scene invoked mild chills. I must applaud your content after only a few videos watched and have subscribed.

  • @liamfoley9614
    @liamfoley9614 6 років тому +36

    Best rendition of the British Grenadiers in a movie? Barry Lyndon, and by a furlong!

    • @Synthesizer4274
      @Synthesizer4274 6 років тому +3

      Those drums really get me pumped to give Frenchie a damned good thrashing!

    • @charliemcgee9803
      @charliemcgee9803 5 років тому +1

      No its not

    • @AbrahamLincoln4
      @AbrahamLincoln4 4 роки тому +2

      @@charliemcgee9803 oh it is.

    • @Captan40000
      @Captan40000 3 роки тому

      @@charliemcgee9803 stop saying this on every comment that has a opinion

    • @charliemcgee9803
      @charliemcgee9803 3 роки тому

      @@Captan40000 Im just joshing you

  • @bskorupk
    @bskorupk 6 років тому +2

    Aesthetic Realism is, regarding, or regardless of actual history or detail work, a major issue that tends to cause a lot of confusion, and is very hard to do right, it is commonly problematic in pictures/films trying to "Look Old" as it's often left to merely distorted grainy overlays of contemporary subjects/scenes/actors, whereas actual old pictures/films once were new, and the context, atmosphere, and innumerable subtleties make the minimalist texture far more enlightening than it's degraded state would otherwise normally be expected to incur, especially to people who don't know about the subject of the old picture/film, with each tiny realization making the mind connect the dots to worldbuild as if it was an old memory of one's own.
    On a "more material in the comments" and "as if written by two different people" note:
    3:21 - 3:40 "Oh, look! A caplock! Quite ahead of his time eh?" Indeed! Doubly so, as it was even converted to Breechloading on the Snider Principle in 1864! ;)

  • @CAP198462
    @CAP198462 6 років тому +2

    12:13 goodness me, is that the Prince Regent, How did he get into this film from Blackadder?
    @Brandon F.

  • @Winaska
    @Winaska 5 років тому +6

    Brandon, perhaps for those of us who (shockingly) actually enjoy The Patriot, but acknowledge its (legion) historical inaccuracies perhaps you could do a serious review of the film.
    I personally have always had the impression that the look, feel, and details of the setting are very good, including combat. It’s the characters and plot line that are the greatest offenders in my book. But I’d love to see you take it on. Particularly the battle scenes

  • @elimgarak8785
    @elimgarak8785 6 років тому +9

    I watched this movie when I was younger and thought it was great. Now-a-days it seems like something from Blackadder

  • @NihilsineDeo1866.
    @NihilsineDeo1866. 6 років тому +33

    My best soldiers of empire

    • @sippsleezy5452
      @sippsleezy5452 6 років тому +4

      king george lll Close enough, but I’ll allow it

    • @GlennForbes20
      @GlennForbes20 6 років тому +4

      Your empire is gone now your Majesty! And your capital shall shortly be Londonstan.

    • @Tom19142
      @Tom19142 6 років тому +2

      @@GlennForbes20 *Londonabad
      *Englandstan

    • @fuzzydunlop7928
      @fuzzydunlop7928 6 років тому +2

      @@GlennForbes20 Perhaps there was some Indian kid in the 19th century complaining about how soon there will be no more Indians in Bombay.

    • @vistagreat9994
      @vistagreat9994 4 роки тому

      @@Tom19142 Londonbad
      Donbad
      Bad
      Badbad
      Badbadbad

  • @ignacejespers8201
    @ignacejespers8201 6 років тому +34

    There once was a soviet soldier who died in Afghanistan, far away from home. He ended up in hell. All around him were people being boiled alive in cauldrons or being tortured by demons. Then suddenly he saw a small table where three persons seemed to joyfully play cards, smoke and drink while listening to Visotsky. The soldiers approached and asked
    -Is that real vodka?
    =Yes it is. Here, have a taste.
    -And is that real tobacco
    =Of course. Want some?
    -I don't understand. I always thought hell would be way worse with boiling cauldrons and demons?
    =Hell is only what you imagine it to be. If you believe in boiling cauldrons and demons, then it will be so. But if you welcome it as an old friend, Hell will welcome you as one of his own.

    • @sextuspompeius1266
      @sextuspompeius1266 6 років тому +8

      So he thought Russia was hell

    • @Smashface_McBourbondick
      @Smashface_McBourbondick 6 років тому +3

      I don't follow, what point are you trying to make?

    • @nealsterling8151
      @nealsterling8151 6 років тому +1

      So people can get used to everything, as long as they pretend it's something good?

    • @ignacejespers8201
      @ignacejespers8201 6 років тому +4

      @@Smashface_McBourbondick The story tells of soviet troops in Afghanistan. The point of it is that these soldiers went through Hell and survived, but never managed to re-enter society. They had seen and caused too much death and were thus shunned by the 'decent' folks of the USSR. In short the story is about soldiers who saw and had sown so much death that they got used to it and even preferred it to normal life. If you want more info read 'Boys in zinc' from Svetlana Alexievich

    • @Smashface_McBourbondick
      @Smashface_McBourbondick 6 років тому +1

      @@ignacejespers8201 Alright, thanks for the explanation.

  • @johnknecht6958
    @johnknecht6958 6 років тому +1

    Actually Brandon at about 3:40 that's not a Cap lock. That's an early Cartridge conversion rifle. You can see the thumb shelf for opening the breach on what would be the guns left hand side. He's also shooting it south paw...

  • @thyrampantpigeon
    @thyrampantpigeon 6 років тому +5

    I know the 7 years war is much different from the Revolutionary War, but if you've ever watched Barry Lyndon; would you ever consider doing a video on the military scenes within that film?

  • @LEARSIKCIGAM
    @LEARSIKCIGAM 6 років тому +7

    What about the battle scene in Barry Lyndon?

    • @grenzer45
      @grenzer45 5 років тому +3

      Carlos Bravo I thought the second fight, when Barry was in the Prussian Army was the more realistic.

  • @kevinlove4356
    @kevinlove4356 6 років тому +2

    At 9:15, Brandon states, "... the battle is over." However, in real life, that is the time that the cavalry would have been sent in to ensure that none of the enemy escaped. Yes, it is a fictional film. But the screenwriters can at least try to show a little bit of realistic tactics.
    On the plus side, they do show artillery. But any armed force of the size shown would be very, very remiss indeed to not have had a least a small cavalry element for reconnaissance and for pursuit of a defeated enemy. Which, in my opinion, is a major blunder in the film.

    • @Nonsense010688
      @Nonsense010688 6 років тому

      you could argue that maybe there was no cavalry present at this skirmish.

    • @kevinlove4356
      @kevinlove4356 6 років тому

      @@Nonsense010688 True. Even professional armies make mistakes. And there are examples in history of cavalry failing to be present. For example, J.E.B. Stuart's cavalry arriving late to Gettysburg. But I suspect that this may be due to the film's budget. Horses are expensive, and few actors know how to ride.

    • @Nonsense010688
      @Nonsense010688 6 років тому

      @@kevinlove4356 true, thou given the scale of the fight I think it is more forgivable.
      This is what? 1 Infantry regiment with artillery support attacking? Not exactly waterloo.

  • @kueller917
    @kueller917 6 років тому

    The videos where you really drive home the need to respect and authentically depict the horrors of combat are some of your best content. The pedantic reviewing is informative, entertaining, and often funny too, but it's nice to step back to the larger picture and see the real importance to learn from this history.

  • @charlesthepaperman
    @charlesthepaperman 6 років тому +8

    Look how brave the maize keeps its formation only to get trampled down after all...
    Lest we forget 🌽

  • @fanwu8917
    @fanwu8917 6 років тому +4

    The british officer basically is what you would get if you take Alex from Clockwork Orange and make him an officer of the british army.

    • @BattleAxe1345
      @BattleAxe1345 Рік тому

      The British officer in question is none other than Richard O'Brien of 'Rocky Horror' fame.

  • @thomasbaagaard
    @thomasbaagaard 6 років тому

    at 3:35 It is obliviously not a percussion musket. it is a trapdor springfield or maybe a snider-enfield. or similar conversion to a breechloaded gun.

  • @silentkiller2mm
    @silentkiller2mm 6 років тому +4

    Eve thought about writing short stories about your reenactments? Your writing is sublime (I dare say with my humble opinion, but mind I'm not a native speaker so I can't exactly say what is good writing and what just sounds good to someone who just read a few english books) --maybe not fit for long stories-- and with your experience of being there, it might just add to the flavor.

  • @ptonpc
    @ptonpc 6 років тому +30

    I imagine the film makers had to ram the 'British bad' line down the throats of the film watchers. After all it would not sell tickets in America if it showed a more balanced historical perspective challenging the myths of the revolution.

    • @taureaurouge3315
      @taureaurouge3315 6 років тому +3

      I have a sort of problem with the idea of "one side bad" is a bad thing. Yes, in reality one side isn't full of terrible and evil murderous killers who are the epitome of evil. However, the story is being told by one specific side, so it's only natural to be told with bias and that the other side is evil. If the movie was about the British side, (i.e. had a British protagonist) the Americans would be portrayed as evil. And vice versa.

    • @ptonpc
      @ptonpc 6 років тому +4

      @@taureaurouge3315 As you say, in reality there is not no one side full of evil people.
      However the narrative that tends to be told in stories about the war of Independence is of the plucky colonists fighting the big bad British. In the UK there is far less of a patriotic streak than most Americans (if you hang a union flag outside your house, you are generally viewed as a bit weird at best). Most people, outside of those who study history here, don't know or care much about the war of independence. A UK film about it would most likely take the American side just to sell tickets.

    • @taureaurouge3315
      @taureaurouge3315 6 років тому +2

      @@ptonpc As I said, it depends on the point of view of the storyteller. I don't think the American point of view in the movies is more of a patriotic thing (although that certainly does come into play and isn't necessarily a bad thing to evoke a sense of patriotism in your primary audience i.e. Americans), so much so that it is about who your primary audience is and who is telling the story. As you said, most Britons aren't that interested in the American Revolution, however most Americans at least show some interest in it. From this, it can easily be assumed that from a filmmakers perspective, it is wiser to flatter your largest audience rather than a niche group.

    • @tombrigden7075
      @tombrigden7075 6 років тому +11

      ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS PAY THEIR DAMN TAXES

    • @thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603
      @thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603 6 років тому +8

      My problem with a lot of American history in films they kinda forget the real facts about history .

  • @skogstjuven
    @skogstjuven 6 років тому +9

    Honor is a fool’s prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 6 років тому +4

      You will certainly lose your life. Only a fool discards honour.

    • @sirderam1
      @sirderam1 5 років тому +1

      Glory I could live without, but life without honour would be the life of a base animal.

  • @797brm
    @797brm 6 років тому +8

    Did you watch Turn Washington’s Spies?!

    • @Real11BangBang
      @Real11BangBang 4 роки тому +5

      I've watched it and thought it was quite good.

  • @frankendragon5442
    @frankendragon5442 5 років тому +2

    Regarding the foppish and cruel British officer, I commend to your attention Sir Banastre Tarleton.

  • @schizoidboy
    @schizoidboy 6 років тому +1

    I remember reading in the Osprey series about the battles around Boston at the start of the war some of the rebel units actually had veterans in them, some in higher proportion to the British at the time. There were many veterans of the French and Indian War in the rebel forces and many were officers in the ranks. Something to ask, if this was the Battle of Bunker Hill (or Breed's Hill as it should be known) shouldn't the British have higher casualties? It was a British victory through their determination, but as one officer pointed out they couldn't survive another victory like they had during this particular battle. I do like, however, how they keep on maintaining their ranks through the assault because they needed to maintain their formations in order to control the battle.

  • @KiwiForce123
    @KiwiForce123 6 років тому +1

    Is there a single genuinely good film or TV series based on this period? What's your opinion on Hornblower?

  • @detroitdave9512
    @detroitdave9512 6 років тому +2

    You should do a video on Waterloo, a historical critique (quite a difficult feat) or a discussion on its greatest aspects of portraying Napoleonic warfare and Napoleon himself

  • @thischannelisretiringforaw9620
    @thischannelisretiringforaw9620 3 роки тому

    that British officer looks like an 18th century British noble from London, u know cuz of the wig and the makeup and the accent obviously the nobles of Britain wore that but the army probably didn’t , I also laughed when you did an impression of his bad British accent at 12:33, as a brit I loved it 😂.

  • @ethanhatcher5533
    @ethanhatcher5533 6 років тому +9

    11:27 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WTF IS THAT ACCENT?!?!?!
    Edit: on a less memey note, I think just from the clips shown that this movie could and should have been about the relationship between the old, grizzled, veteran Sergeant Major and the young drummer boy

    • @fuzzydunlop7928
      @fuzzydunlop7928 6 років тому +2

      Ah, a romance. Yes, that would have been much better.

    • @someguy3766
      @someguy3766 4 роки тому +1

      To be fair he's not putting it on. That actor talks like that in real life, lol. It's not historically proper though.

  • @ronashapouri403
    @ronashapouri403 6 років тому +5

    40k congratulations

  • @wendellfugate4088
    @wendellfugate4088 6 років тому +1

    Thank you very much indeed for your excellent and well done analysis of this film. You have inspired me to write an essay on this.

  • @gambit8766
    @gambit8766 6 років тому +1

    hi Brandon, a thought hit me while I was watching your video. what were the rules about shooting at drummer boy's/musicians in battle at this time?

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +1

      Drummers and other musicians would generally stay behind the line and be less exposed, and it may be seen as poor form to specifically target them, but this wouldn't stop many from doing so I imagine. A drummer is a valuable asset and it would be a good boon in battle to take out the enemy's!

  • @Jubilo1
    @Jubilo1 6 років тому +9

    The "Fox hunt," scene was as ridiculous as "The Patriot."

    • @charliemcgee9803
      @charliemcgee9803 5 років тому +2

      No its not

    • @someguy3766
      @someguy3766 4 роки тому +2

      They did a similar scene in an episode of Sharpe, but in that show they at least made it explicitly clear that the officers involved were acting well outside of the law; indeed that was the main plot point.

    • @Jubilo1
      @Jubilo1 4 роки тому +1

      @@someguy3766 Typical cliche- wealth; education =bad. Unless you have it...

  • @keysean999
    @keysean999 6 років тому +27

    I will gift you Hearts of Iron 4 and teach you to play, if you'd want to, cause I'd love for you to play, I will do the same with Victoria II and Europa Universalis if you prefer those

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +5

      Thank you for the offer, but I couldn't ask you to do that for me! I actually have played an awful lot of EUIV and Victoria II. Still need to pick up HoI IV, but it's not something I would plan on streaming much, so I could never ask someone to buy it for me.

    • @keysean999
      @keysean999 6 років тому

      @@BrandonF I would be happy to, Hoi4 is my favorite game, it's mechanics are much more combat focused, but there is much diplomacy and event systems.

    • @501ststormtrooper9
      @501ststormtrooper9 4 роки тому

      @@BrandonF Simply turn Historical Focuses on so the Soviets annex Canada.

  • @jamesoneill3922
    @jamesoneill3922 6 років тому +2

    How are things in the Colonies? Love your videos. Keep at it. Well done.

  • @thehypest6118
    @thehypest6118 5 років тому +1

    My biggest problem with the film - be it an historical inaccuracy I don't know - is the random mixture of Continential Marines and Soldiers in many of the battle and street scenes, there doesn't seem much in the way of coherency they're all just jumbled in with the militia like one big amalgamous entity

  • @barondesena
    @barondesena 4 роки тому

    What rank is Donald Southerland character in the film? He wears epaulets but is more a sergeant than officer?

  • @cookiejars6141
    @cookiejars6141 6 років тому +3

    Waterloo (1970) next?

    • @carlruf9037
      @carlruf9037 6 років тому

      Waterloo has its flaws in uniforms and props. I have a hard time just focusing on the story without noticing the inaccuracies in the props and details.

  • @Konser_konge
    @Konser_konge 4 роки тому

    Has anybody got an idea of how to get a hold of the "the drummer boy has gone to war" as we hear is in this movie?

  • @CasperDunning
    @CasperDunning 6 років тому +1

    I'm sorry Brandon, but I have to take issue with a quote that is way over used "war is hell". And I think Hawkeye said it best. "War is war and Hell is Hell, and of the two war is far worse." he goes on to ask "Who goes to Hell?" the reply is "Sinners I believe." to which Hawkeye says "There are no innocent bystanders in Hell, war is chock full of them, women, children, little old men." And being a disabled vet myself that saw active service in Peace Keeping operations post Desert Storm, I tend to agree with what Hawkeye said.

  • @exexpat11
    @exexpat11 5 років тому +2

    Andrew Jackson approved of all the horrible portrayals of British in this movie.

  • @echoplots8058
    @echoplots8058 3 роки тому +1

    What I find interesting is when you make yourself aware that historical inaccuracy is not a modern phenomenon.
    Medieval paintings are often full of errors and not very reliable as a historical source. Roman chronists sometimes misinterpreted or intentionally falsefied past events, or wrote down random hearsay and rumors as historical fact.
    The people that we write nonsense about wrote nonsense about the past themselves when they were alive.

  • @HistoryBoy
    @HistoryBoy 3 роки тому +2

    Loved watching this series, and had an idea. If you had time and didn’t have to break copyright law... maybe you could edit “Revolution,” into a better piece of cinema, cutting out the bad bits!

  • @joesmith5512
    @joesmith5512 6 років тому

    Great vid as always. Happy New Years indeed!

    • @BobSmith-cx4og
      @BobSmith-cx4og 6 років тому

      Years?

    • @joesmith5512
      @joesmith5512 6 років тому

      @@BobSmith-cx4og oh I'm sorry are you the UA-cam police? Year? Is that better?

  • @trentasenzalode
    @trentasenzalode 6 років тому

    So intense video, man. Thanks.

  • @kvnrthr1589
    @kvnrthr1589 6 років тому +1

    Since you've brought up Waterloo, I'd be interested to see you critique the battle scenes in it.

  • @TotallyNotElPresidente
    @TotallyNotElPresidente 3 роки тому +2

    Historical authenticity > Historical Accuracy when it comes to movies 9/10 times.

  • @frederickthegreatpodcast382
    @frederickthegreatpodcast382 6 років тому

    What was the role of cavalry in the War of American Independence?

    • @denishannan3912
      @denishannan3912 4 роки тому +1

      Cavalry had two main functions. First as scouts, second as a fighting force. In the Battle of Cowpens, Lt. Col William Washington leads a cavalry charge, that captures half of the British Infantry. The British Cavalry does not really make an attack. Lt. Col. Harry Lee leads cavalry assisting the swamp fox in some of his battles. Both cavalry commanders are in the Battle of Guilford Courthouse.

  • @Dimeropepe
    @Dimeropepe 5 років тому +3

    This was one of Al Pacino's worst films when it was released way back in 1985. It was directed by Hugh Hudson, who directed "Chariots of Fire" (1981). Nastassja Kinski is also in this film, and she plays an idealistic aristocrat who supports the American Revolution.

  • @toothedacorn4724
    @toothedacorn4724 4 роки тому

    Question, have you ever considered taking up / do you already do creative writing?

  • @aUnhealthybreakfast
    @aUnhealthybreakfast 6 років тому

    Brandon, thank you for another interesting commentary. By any chance have you seen the 1988 tv film, April Morning? Would love to hear your opinion on it if you have.

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому

      I believe that we were actually shown a scene from that one back in 6th grade...I will have to revisit it!

  • @Gool349
    @Gool349 6 років тому +1

    Loved the series! However I wouldve liked it more without the multiple window screen thing going on and just a full view of the scene. If you however did this due to cpyright reasons I wouldve preferred maybe a still picture next to the video footage since upper left screen just distracted me too much

  • @profesercreeper
    @profesercreeper 6 років тому

    Any good movies on 18th century warfare? Is the older waterloo movie one of them?

  • @meaningoftheunicorn
    @meaningoftheunicorn 5 років тому +2

    You have such a pleasant accent. Wonder if this is how the colonists of yore sounded.

  • @ichimvlad6597
    @ichimvlad6597 5 років тому +2

    Talk about "The Patriot" (2000) if you want an interesting subject.... :D After all "Revolution" is a rather low budget movie, what kind of expectations can you have?

  • @pjwg
    @pjwg 3 роки тому

    Very well done

  • @inagasiquiamco1840
    @inagasiquiamco1840 2 роки тому

    i have a question why do soldiers not run while bayonet charging back then

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  2 роки тому +1

      They did run, but often only when close to the enemy, to make sure they kept their formation on the approach. You want to hit the enemy with a wall of bayonets, not just a scattered batch!

  • @thaddeuskobylarz8519
    @thaddeuskobylarz8519 6 років тому +2

    Am I listening to an audio book?

  • @KirksCORNER1983
    @KirksCORNER1983 5 років тому

    How do I sign up to do reenactments??!!

  • @richardlahan7068
    @richardlahan7068 Рік тому

    I wonder if most of these problems have to do with writers and directors knowing nothing about history or reenactors not knowing what they are doing.

  • @TheUltimateGC
    @TheUltimateGC 6 років тому

    What’s that other video?

  • @mr.gnome_3239
    @mr.gnome_3239 6 років тому +1

    You should do readings for audiobooks you’ve quite the voice for it

  • @Splodge542
    @Splodge542 6 років тому +1

    This movie flopped back in the day and Pacino was quite embarrassed by it (or so I read). If you were talking to him you were advised not to mention Revolution. However he had nothing to be embarrassed about personally because he acted it very well. The problem with historical epic flops (and there are plenty of them) is that they scare the movie studios off making more of these "risky investments". And so we get endless superhero romps which means I hardly go to the cinema any more.

  • @MBKill3rCat
    @MBKill3rCat 5 років тому

    A juxtaposition of Waterloo and The Patriot? So, which is the good example and which is the bad?

  • @MrSven3000
    @MrSven3000 6 років тому

    12:04 LOL.
    my heart is breaking, and greetings from germany ;)

  • @whitewool1589
    @whitewool1589 5 років тому +1

    *I for some reason find line battles very satisfying. Tons of soldiers perfectly in a line.*
    *Then there’s present day..*

  • @emintey
    @emintey 3 роки тому

    And take note of the setting of the battle, there were no revolutionary war battles in California or wherever this film was shot. How do I know? There are no bare hillsides on the east coast, they should all be heavily forested.

  • @Riceball01
    @Riceball01 6 років тому

    Another great video, keep up the good work. Btw, have you given second thought to reaching out to Scholagladiatoria? I know that you felt you're too small and Matt's channel too large, but there's nothing to lose by asking. You never know and I find that, more often than not, people with large(ish) channels are always willing to do colabs to help out smaller channels. Just recently I found out that The Chieftain (a largish channel focused on tanks and military history) is going to be doing a colab with a smaller channel, so I'd advise you to make it your goal for this year to try and do a colab with Matt Easton.
    About that British officer you pointed out, he looked more like a French courtier than a British officer of the period. I'm not even sure that a French officer of the time would go into battle with makeup and a powdered wig.

  • @almandinefox5160
    @almandinefox5160 5 років тому +1

    I'd like to see you review TURN: Washington's Spies

    • @sariekitchen
      @sariekitchen 4 роки тому

      I have an aunt who is a historian, and she says it's terribly inaccurate.

  • @sevenchurches3865
    @sevenchurches3865 5 років тому +1

    1:19 synced up

  • @awood1604
    @awood1604 6 років тому +11

    I don't understand why the traitors wanted to fight. They were well protected under the Crown. If you don't like the tax don't buy the tea.

    • @justinokraski3796
      @justinokraski3796 6 років тому +1

      Teaboo

    • @gazeboist4535
      @gazeboist4535 6 років тому +4

      They disliked the Admiralty Courts and had what amounted to constitutional objections to the taxes. From the American side, the war wasn't about economic grievances, while the British were very focused on the war debt issue. It's actually an interesting inversion of the non-slavery issues related to the Civil War.*
      * I'm not trying to claim that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, or that anyone sincerely supported nullification after about 1835, but there were tariff issues in addition to the conflict over slavery.

    • @JanBruunAndersen
      @JanBruunAndersen 6 років тому

      Taxation is theft, so I understand the unwillingness to be robbed.

    • @notisac3149
      @notisac3149 6 років тому +1

      @a wood Yeah, us Americans are/were strange creatures indeed, it would have taken an unhealthy amount of tea consumption throughout an entire year just to exceed one buck of taxes. While such a meager amount of money may have been worth many times more than today, I find it ludicrous how frivolous the whole matter should have been.
      Although as an American (actually kinda embarrassing to say sometimes), I must say that the matter was mostly about having no say in the affairs of colonies in the empire and I'm sure you've heard, "no taxation without representation" a million times.
      Also sort of interesting, after the French and Indian war, or 7 Years War, as most others refer to it, many colonists were wondering if we still even needed the crown for protection after all, from our point of view we felt that big scary France was beaten back far enough to feel safe, and that we didn't do all that bad during the war. And right as everyone was considering that..... *BAM*! new taxes for all of us!
      Man my country's history is so weird sometimes, thanks for reading that wall of text I guess, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm almost certain that I made some sort of mistake lol.

    • @spartanumismatics8165
      @spartanumismatics8165 6 років тому +1

      Taxes weren't just on tea...

  • @casperdong
    @casperdong 6 років тому +1

    He should become either a poet or an award-winning movie director?

  • @KarlPHorse
    @KarlPHorse 5 років тому +1

    That British officer reminds me of Brandon Rogers' "Normal British People" skit.

  • @killawhale8726
    @killawhale8726 6 років тому +2

    Damn were you an english or a history major?

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому +3

      History and philosophy!

    • @carlruf9037
      @carlruf9037 6 років тому

      @@BrandonF Tic-Tic...No STEM? Although we still need professors (hopefully ones that don't suffer from TDS or brain-wash our youth into accepting Socialist/Communist doctrine).

  • @aleksjamnik5360
    @aleksjamnik5360 6 років тому

    how do fuq do you snipe with a musket
    you barely hit an elephant a good mm away from you with it

    • @carlruf9037
      @carlruf9037 6 років тому

      Not true...Rifles and Rifled muskets are quite accurate at considerable distances. Even with smoothbores, properly loaded, I can keep relative small groups in a 12" x 12" target at 70 to 100 yards....and even the accuracy does not fall off that bad even further. It is about aiming small and steady throw the ignition and not flinching on the discharge, with a slow trigger pull just using the tip of the finger to engage.

    • @aleksjamnik5360
      @aleksjamnik5360 6 років тому

      Carl Ruf yes but not accurate enough
      Even proper bolt actions would have problem with running men at at least 200 meters
      And I doubt people would work in modernist sniper teams

  • @mitutoyo34
    @mitutoyo34 3 роки тому

    As a war veteran myself and history enthusiast; I do the same thing when I am watching a "war" movie. My wife always tell me "just watch the damn movie for what is ... just entertainment!...he he he.

  • @hardpack187
    @hardpack187 3 роки тому

    This kid is like an American Lindybeige. I love it

  • @viperblitz11
    @viperblitz11 5 років тому +2

    That British officer may have been an attempt at intentionally satirizing how British officers are portrayed and seen by Americans. I commend the effort if that's the case, but it's the wrong movie to try that.

  • @andrewbuck6269
    @andrewbuck6269 6 років тому

    Great vid and happy 2019

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому

      Thank you, and to you as well!

    • @andrewbuck6269
      @andrewbuck6269 6 років тому

      Have you ever been with the his majesty's tenth regiment of foot

    • @BrandonF
      @BrandonF  6 років тому

      The group I am with is in a similar area, so I have been to many of the same events. I also have a few friends in the 10th.

  • @rileyernst9086
    @rileyernst9086 3 роки тому

    That colour seargent with the spontoon was a brute, he killed heaps of rebels.

  • @redf7209
    @redf7209 5 років тому

    I do wonder how pristine the British uniforms should be after a while in the field. Unlike modern armies these were funded from pay. A disciplined soldier could keep things clean but I'd imagine a limit to how things could be kept in repair. The pristine look clearly p[lays a part in these films to emphasize the contrast between an organised force and a rag tag force. You wear the uniform for your re-enactments but have you walked long distances, endured weathering and camped out in it and were the soldiers fully uniformed all the time?

  • @caelan8819
    @caelan8819 6 років тому +2

    First, been looking forward to this.

    • @thehypest6118
      @thehypest6118 5 років тому

      this is the third comment I've read in which someone is proclaiming to be first

  • @elisigmon5505
    @elisigmon5505 5 років тому +1

    What about the teeth

  • @skogstjuven
    @skogstjuven 6 років тому +1

    Brandon F. you should do a review of movie Napoleon. a think a lot of us like to hear what you think of it. I know an ask for a lot of you so is only an idea. keep up good work :)

  • @barondesena
    @barondesena 4 роки тому +1

    The bayonet scene is my favorite.

  • @ltdan2809
    @ltdan2809 Рік тому

    is the British Pike man a very young Donald southerland

  • @godders976
    @godders976 6 років тому +1

    War, War never changes!

  • @West_Coast_Mainline
    @West_Coast_Mainline 2 роки тому +1

    It’s 10/10 I saw royal foot artillery

  • @Quincy_Morris
    @Quincy_Morris 6 років тому

    To portray all soldiers as heroes or all soldiers as monsters would be inaccurate for any side. So I actually understand the juxtaposition.

  • @scottwatrous
    @scottwatrous 3 роки тому

    Well, it was made in the 80's. So... pretty sure the answer to all these questions involves white powder, and not what was on that 'officer's' face.

  • @armorsmith43
    @armorsmith43 6 років тому

    Maybe there were two scriptwriters who traded off like the roman generals at Cannae

  • @gazeboist4535
    @gazeboist4535 6 років тому

    An excellent video, but the way you've mixed it the film audio is essentially inaudible.

  • @Buckeystown
    @Buckeystown 6 років тому

    It would be interesting to see a movie about the Battle of the Monongahela. Maj Gen Braddock and his aide George Washington marched part of his army up the road near my office Rte355 in MD to Frederick MD. He needed wagons and teamsters or wagoners to transport supplies and since the Gov of MD failed to provide what he promised to the Army took wagons, horses and men and whatever else they wanted. One colonial said they treated the citizens of MD and Virginia like they were a conquered country. Benjamin Franklin came from Philadelphia and hired more wagons. One of the teamsters was Daniel Morgan who was flogged by the British Army on the campaign. He got his revenge on them at the Battle of Cowpens as shown in the atrocious Patriot movie though Mel's character would have been a veteran of the attacks in the 7 years war and who probably would have been part of the colonial contingent.. Another who fled for his life after the battler was Daniel Boone. There were 3 other future American Generals on the campaign. As a result of the battle the British raised light infantry troops that were trained to fight like the Indians. The British government had to pay for the army and levied taxes on the colonials they were defending. This battle in 1755 was a primary catalyst in moving the colonies to declare independence. Col Dunlap fled the scene with the army and went into winter quarters (in August) in Philly and the French and Indians used Braddock's road as a highway to attack Virginia and Maryland. The British government also wanted to change the colonial governments to make them more aligned with Imperial needs. A forgotten piece of British Imperial history that explains why there was so much trouble in 1770 and beyond..