Jacaerys Velaryon: A (STRONG) King In The Making?

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  • Опубліковано 19 вер 2023
  • Jacaerys Velaryon is the eldest son Rhaenyra Targaryen and illegitimate future heir to the throne. But despite his disputed heritage, and realms scorn of it, he looks to be a future monarch in the making. Though, looks can be deceiving...
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  • @yusufraage8554
    @yusufraage8554 8 місяців тому +74

    Jace made pacts and those pacts remained long after his dead. He saved his baby brother and the future king Aegon III. Made the most loyal alliances of the war.
    ''If there ever was a king most deserving of the iron throne it would be Jacaerys Targaryen''

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 8 місяців тому +10

      How did he save aegon III? He sent him on a ship which got attacked by the triarchy and he escaped by a hairs breath by clinging to a dying stormcloud (his young dragon). His other brother, viserys, was not so lucky, getting captured.
      To be clear I'm not blaming jace as they didn't know the triarchy had joined but he didn't save aegon III.
      Also daemon made the best and most loyal alliances with the riverlords. The riverlands were the MVP of the war as they defeated every green army whilst the vale and North derped around and the iron isles sat on fair Isle.

    • @joshbeckett9255
      @joshbeckett9255 8 місяців тому

      Bastard

    • @lorenagarcia3189
      @lorenagarcia3189 8 місяців тому +5

      ​@@mappingshaman5280 the riverlords have weaker armies than the Lannsiters. And Aemond burned those lands but they respawned to go to Kingslanding by plot armour. Daemon had nothing to do with it, it was Grrm 😂😂

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 8 місяців тому

      @lorenagarcia3189 doesn't matter, the riverlords won the war for the blacks

    • @joshbeckett9255
      @joshbeckett9255 8 місяців тому

      @@mappingshaman5280 ok and most of the blacks died

  • @johnreydelatorre3450
    @johnreydelatorre3450 8 місяців тому +67

    Agree. Jace wouldn’t be easily triggered by the word bastard if he truly believes he isn’t one.

    • @Argos-xb8ek
      @Argos-xb8ek 3 місяці тому +1

      That was a very personal insult

  • @hightower19
    @hightower19 8 місяців тому +31

    Great video! Also, It's so stupid how the cole-harwin scene just flies over majority of audience's head, how do they not see that criston set him up and harwin straight up fell into the trap head first lmao

    • @0predaking0
      @0predaking0 4 місяці тому

      I would like to think that Cristo north only set him up, but also warned. . . . . . . That he is letting slip his position

  • @dedemarsh8520
    @dedemarsh8520 8 місяців тому +18

    I think the reason why people like the 'Criston is Jace's father' theory, is because Criston is not just fighting to keep a bastard off the throne, but his bastard off the throne.
    Does it add to the story? I personally think it doesn't in the long run, but it is fun to think about.

  • @apollotheegawd5872
    @apollotheegawd5872 8 місяців тому +44

    I can’t wait for jace in s2

    • @browniebear
      @browniebear 8 місяців тому +7

      The North, The Vale, The Summoning of the Dragonseeds/Red Sowing and The Battle of the Gullet.
      There's real potential to get the complete and complex scope of Jace in s2, the *Strong* King Who Never Was...
      ...and never should've been through both being a bastard and also ultimately too impulsive and unfit for the crown despite the promise he showed.

    • @burningboy14
      @burningboy14 8 місяців тому +3

      ​@@browniebear I agree with you on the legitimacy thing. But when it comes to his impulsiveness I have to say I agree and I don't. As he would have grown as a person that hot blood of his would most possibly have calmed down with age and experience. But I do see where you are coming from.

    • @KaiHung-wv3ul
      @KaiHung-wv3ul 7 місяців тому

      RIP😢

  • @tytybaby06
    @tytybaby06 8 місяців тому +25

    Jace is still young & coming up under queen Rhaenyra & her more level headed & calm way of ruling like her father would’ve surely rubbed off on him. He’s still young just like his mother was & that’s where the impulsive anger comes from. But as he gets older it will settle especially with influences like Corlys & Rhaenys. & he’d still make a much better king than Aegon the drunken sex offender but we know how it goes so it’s just wishful thinking sadly

  • @Laramaria2
    @Laramaria2 5 місяців тому +7

    13:00 Helaena not getting the insult is so cute 😂

  • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
    @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 8 місяців тому +11

    Jace asked not only if Harwin was his father, but also "is he a bastard"? If Criston is Jace's father, Rhanera could naswer no to first question, but not the second. Also: Harwin maight had thought Jace is his son. Rhaneyra never specified when she and Laenor tried for their own child - there was big gap between Lucerys and Joffrey in show.

  • @HK-gm8pe
    @HK-gm8pe 5 місяців тому +6

    I have always thought that Targaryens see themselves as gods...so they are insecure when they find out that they are just people like everybody else but Jace would have been a great king...he is one of my favorite characters actually and I love how his dragon Vermax looks in the show SPOILER
    I am going to cry when they die inj such a brutal way

  • @iamkonner4813
    @iamkonner4813 8 місяців тому +6

    This was a great analysis, I’m so excited to see how they adapt Jace next season, he was my favorite character from the dance.

  • @tangysweat97
    @tangysweat97 8 місяців тому +10

    If they all had different fathers that would add a interesting aspect. Maybe brothers taking after thier different fathers .Creating different factions in team Black.

  • @amorojaz27
    @amorojaz27 2 місяці тому +3

    Jace being willing to lash out with violence over the Strong jokes doesn't speak well of Rhaenyra's parenting.

  • @Taykoe88
    @Taykoe88 4 місяці тому +2

    If their world wasn't so stupid about "bastards", there would have never been an issue. Shows just how stupid people from the past were.

  • @burningboy14
    @burningboy14 8 місяців тому +12

    I'm so eager to see the video on Jacaerys as he is my favorite character from the books and I love Harry Collett's portrayal of him. And I can't wait for season 2 Especially the story arc of Jacaerys which is very interesting.

  • @amorojaz27
    @amorojaz27 2 місяці тому +1

    His hair has been changed for the second season. Now he looks more like Harwin.

  • @dellavonta187
    @dellavonta187 8 місяців тому +4

    Heaven help us if we sit a bastard on the throne

  • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
    @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 8 місяців тому +13

    Jacearys is "pale", but Cole has very light olive skin and adult actor who plays Jacaerys has VERY similar nose to Criston. Also, Jace in show IS in the same age as Aemond - neither Alicent nor Rhaneyra have visible pregnancy in episode 5 and in episode 6 Luke is 8 - meaning Jace had to be 9. We never know Aemond age, but he could be born at best six monts after episode 5 (since Alicent wasn't showing), so he is at best 9 and half, the same age as Jace.

    • @musakamara4157
      @musakamara4157 8 місяців тому

      Mixed race children can also look very different from each other. Just because your father has tan skin doesn't mean you will if your mother is pale, it's a spectrum and dark parents can even have very fair children cuz I'm some recessive gene they carry for that trait.

    • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
      @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 8 місяців тому +1

      @@musakamara4157 Yes, that's true. The friend of my brother was brown-haired child of red-headed man and mother who was bascically like Criston - olive skin and black hair. Two other children were light-skinned with reddish hair like their father. If Criston had a child with Rhaenyra, they could easily look like Jace. Also... it is really hard to call them "mixed race" in first place. I would consider Criston white. Its not like situation with Laenor.

    • @Rhaelle
      @Rhaelle 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@musakamara4157Its interesting to see when the Valyrian features present themselves in marriages between Targargens and other families. Like with Baelor Breakspear, he had his mothers hair and complection, same with Bittersteel, and Jon Snow. Dornish and Northern features seem to be more dominant than the ressesive Valyrian features. I think the gene is more present in Targ men than women though, because all of Alicent and Viserys children were born with Valyrian features, even though Alicent had dark hair. Rhaenyras sons with Harwin had dark hair, even though Rhaenyra has Valyrian features. Just a theory :))

  • @JonathanVegaa
    @JonathanVegaa 8 місяців тому +6

    Very Strong King indeed

  • @Tabaluca911
    @Tabaluca911 8 місяців тому +6

    Jacaerys waters... I mean jacaery strong... I mean Jacaerys Velaryon... I mean as soon as hes king its Jacaerys Targaryen.

    • @rahimg6842
      @rahimg6842 8 місяців тому +2

      He will die before😂

  • @alfredborden5675
    @alfredborden5675 8 місяців тому +2

    Incredible video

  • @RahulSleepwalker11
    @RahulSleepwalker11 8 місяців тому +2

    Great hotd video again would u ever do a video on any GOT character

  • @musakamara4157
    @musakamara4157 8 місяців тому +5

    Genetics aren't perfect, someone can have a dark featured parent and still come out with pale skin if their other parent has that. And aren't there blond dornish people and even with olive skin they're still white. The hair is the same, some people are born with neither of their parents hair color and some have a mixture in coloring and texture from both. Maybe the texture and color is from his mother sicne she does have Arryn blood and they're known for brown hair.

  • @bclr6843
    @bclr6843 4 місяці тому +1

    The show also hints that Criston and rhenera did the the deed more then once. She says on the boat “I want to carry on as we have” I don’t know could be wrong but it just seemed like they did it a few times at least up in the moment on the boat

  • @anbuookami13
    @anbuookami13 8 місяців тому +3

    One of my all time favorites

    • @rahimg6842
      @rahimg6842 8 місяців тому +1

      He is weak

    • @tserln1149
      @tserln1149 7 місяців тому

      ​@rahimg6842 in the series we've seen so far he is just boring, doesn't capture the audience and doesn't have any weight in his presence so to say.
      We'll see what they will do with him in the 2 season

  • @musakamara4157
    @musakamara4157 8 місяців тому +2

    I thought the implication was the sex scene between Alicent and Viserys in episode 4 was the conception of Aemond - and if Rhaenyra was pregnant with Cole's child and didn't drink the moon tea then in theory Alicent and Rhaenyra wouldn't be far along enough to be showing in episode 5 but they could still be pregnant.

    • @GrinMonister
      @GrinMonister 8 місяців тому +1

      It'd be very unlikely since they'd both be visibly pregnant at the wedding if they got pregnant in episode 4. Royal weddings not only take a long time to plan, but people from all over the kingdoms will need time to receive their invites, make their plans (for example choosing a regent to rule in their stead) and then to travel there. So, at least three months if they're going super fast. Most likely four-six months, though if not more.

  • @blueblack3591
    @blueblack3591 2 місяці тому

    How would we know if the tea works everytime

  • @johnathanoneal9
    @johnathanoneal9 8 місяців тому +3

    If being a “hot head” is the worse thing Jace has done, every Green stan can Rot

  • @heartlesslove9084
    @heartlesslove9084 8 місяців тому +2

    Is it me or there is a glitch audio in your entire video.

    • @dante6985
      @dante6985 8 місяців тому +1

      I can hear it too. I like the content but the glitch makes it hard to watch.

    • @TheEmpyreanSpeaks
      @TheEmpyreanSpeaks  8 місяців тому +4

      Yeah, there is a weird sound unfortunately. I’m gonna try to fix that as I make more videos.

  • @jimlahey5339
    @jimlahey5339 5 місяців тому

    Bastard or not, the Dragon answers to no one.

  • @amaracrow0501
    @amaracrow0501 8 місяців тому

    But....how Ruse Bolton, Robb Stark, and even the great Kalisi all had the power to legitimize others. So, if Corlys accepts the boys as well as Viserys, then aren't they legitimate? Them being bastards is not the problem.

    • @heartlesslove9084
      @heartlesslove9084 7 місяців тому +1

      Roose Bolton took permission from King Tommen to legitimize Ramsey. Robb used his power as king in the north to legitimize jon and dany used her queenship to make gendry a Lord paramount.
      The problem with strong boys is that they are not laenor's blood, and it's openly known in the court. Therefore the making legitimization as a velaryon is a farce.
      Corlys and viserys can accept the lie, but they won't be protected forever.

    • @tserln1149
      @tserln1149 7 місяців тому +4

      Ah, yes, Viserys could (and should have) legitimized them IF he admitted that they were in fact bastards in the first place, instead of gaslighting everyone who has eyes

    • @alana6909
      @alana6909 7 місяців тому +4

      You can't legitimize a bastard without FIRST admitting he's a bastard.

    • @amaracrow0501
      @amaracrow0501 7 місяців тому +1

      Then for fu@ks sake do that. You have a dragon, everyone knows. The king before Jaherys(i know i butchered that name,lol) had a whole ass legitimate ecclesiastical rule made up so he could marry his little sister. The rest of westeros nobility didn't marry siblings, its not like allowing the king to choose his successor based solely on birth order doesn't mean they would have to. Vini vidi vici by way of dragons is the ultimate to the Victor's go the spoils. The dragons peaced out because instead of letting them do what they were created to do, the Targaryians implemented them as if they were flying ponies.

    • @amaracrow0501
      @amaracrow0501 7 місяців тому +1

      @@tserln1149 he made everything more complicated then it to be.

  • @bclr6843
    @bclr6843 4 місяці тому

    I actually know the christin Cole theory is true. She is meant to regret it and wish Harwin was the father so she let him believe he was but she knows Cole is.
    Spoiler!
    Spoiler!
    Spoiler!
    There is a plan for Her to have a confrontation moment with Cole after the death of Jace, where she tells Cole the truth which tortures him until a death he freely excepts comes. It’s gonna be awesome

  • @ExtremeMith5
    @ExtremeMith5 8 місяців тому +4

    obvious team green video -_-

    • @hightower19
      @hightower19 8 місяців тому +11

      ? not a single thing they have said in this video villainizes jace, this is an honest character sketch so what on earth are you talking about lmao

    • @danika9411
      @danika9411 8 місяців тому +9

      ​@@hightower19 For team black stans you are green if you make a neutral video 🤷‍♀️
      Maybe it's just my perception. I like characters from both sides, f.e. I like Rhaena, Jace and Luke as characters, but I also like Aemond, Alicent and Halaena as characters. So people who are really into team black can go off on me if I post anything remotely green online 😅 And I think both Jace and Daeron would have made good kings.
      Idk why that is, but team black seems to have a bit of idealisation going on and if you point out good and bad traits about a character, you are green to many. It's weird.