my friends and I were discussing this very topic a month or so ago. I had the wild (possibly not so wild at all) idea of this, "What if the Traveler made a mental carbon copy of every being in our system and when it died it pasted those copies onto the ghosts. When the guardians are revived the first time, perhaps it was due to the ghost finding the corpse of the mental blueprint they had, the 'soul', if you will." I followed it up with the fact that they are called "ghosts" and ghosts in literature and mythos are supposed to be the souls of the dead. Which is why we can see what's around us while being revived. We're looking from the perspective of the ghost, OUR ghost. (our 'soul').
"How much of a Guardian's [...] memories were true?" "Like all Guardians, Fenchurch has no memories" "Maybe they can look into our past memories" Getting a lot of mixed messages here
Shin Malphur didn't just just become a gunslinger; he created the gunslinger class. At least that the way I see it. When Shin killed Yor; he claimed that he felt a heat rise in him and was channeled through his cannon, and he shot Yor three times. When as gunslinger called upon the golden gun it looks like the last word and it fires three shots.
@@cjbladesworth8049 im really late but I disagree. I believe the blade barrage was the first weapon from the solar subclass. It might’ve been created during the dark ages when ammo and refined weapons were very rare.
@@warriorboltz8817 nay, blade barrage was Cayde’s invention from what we know. Had it been a dark age invention, we shouldn’t need Cayde’s spark to rouse it.
How Guardians are chosen: Step 1. Buy the game Step 2. Open game Step 3. Insert Disc into console of choice Step 4. Install update Step 5. Install MORE shit Step 6. Create a Guardian
What if the Guardians discovered the true intentions of the Traveler, and in response the Traveler drained the Guardians of their Light. But since, it needed something to protect it, it revived the Guardians without their memories, unaware of what the Traveler was hiding
that can easily be why the exo's had their minds wiped. i believe the number after their names represent the number of times their minds were wiped. maybe that's why the traveler is "asleep"... exo's created to combat the traveler and the traveler won. the speaker acting as a false prophet using "religion" to control everyone and after everything was reset during the fall of the traveler that the traveler could safely create ghosts and guardians to protect it while it slept. this may also be why lyssander tried to overthrow the speaker and the other factions that blindly followed the speaker as europe followed the pope during the times of the crusades.
Seris my friend has always had reasons to believe the traveller was evil and he convinced me, and I'm skeptical at. it's entirely possible. i mean it was the one who brought the dark eh?
The guardians who wield the light to lead are deciding their own destiny. Not the one the Traveler, in anger, in rage at being ignored, decided for them. The greatest insult to an enemy, a foe, a god, is to be ignored. You choose your own destiny when you do more than kill. The Traveler, a god, controlled humanity through enlightenment. Guardians are controlled through the Light directly. Osiris, the Dark-Light, has found a way to forge his own path. He adores the Light, yes, but it is his own light. Not the Travelers Light. He, of humanity’s Light, want to battle the Darkness with the valor, courage, and strength of humanity. Not the Traveler. Toland was on a similar path. His was a path of grey. Darkness, yes, but of a lighter shade. Not wholly Dark, but neither truely in the direct Light. He, of the Light’s Shadow, believes in humanities cunning, thrist for knowledge, and creativity of things beyond the Light. Ghosts are pure Light, considered to be the antithisis to Darkness. But could it be the Darkness that tainted humanity during the collapse, the Darkness that draws Guardians to destroy that which emerges from said Darkness, also draws facination from the Ghosts. They see the Darkness in the Guardians and, at first, seek to crush it. To stamp it out of the Guardian. Sometimes they succeed. The loyalty in the Traveler becomes complete. But sometimes the Dark becomes part of the Ghost. They start learning the Dark is part of humanity. How they could learn from each other. Become one. And be more powerful for it. And sometimes...the Dark overcomes thr Ghost. They become obsessed with it. They quail at the thought of becoming part of the Light again. They drive their Guardian insane by wanting nothing but Dark. And so the Guardian falls. Becoming a shadow, and earning Sorrow from those they once knew.
Malik!! guess what my first point originally was? 1. Fate/Destiny. I actully changed it to compitability because I thought people would not like it. However, you will notice that the evidence for compaitbility is very fate/destiny orintated i.e. predetermined
7:19 Due to the science of how memories work, it's probably because after we died, our memories went. Our body was Probs a skeleton when our ghost found us. As soon as the memory part of the brain is damaged, or our whole brain deteriorates then we lose those memories.
Ahh I like this theory, if one then asks how our body could be so fully restored from a decomposed mess if not our me,priest, well then the ghost only needs to look at our genetic blueprints (DNA) and go from there ;)
thabeavsta Well exo's don't really have many memories of their past anyway. Effectively they are just machines but they implant the personality of a human to give them the ability to think for themselves. There are mentions in the grimoire of exo's having dreams of things that they believe happened to then in life but they aren't able to tell for sure.
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Myelin Games I think Destiny came at a time where not a lot of good games were coming out butt now that's changed is a lot of good games out there now and going into next year so I hope destiny 2 is good
One question: is the ghost able to repair a dead body? If I remember correctly, we as guardians have been dead for a while before our ghost finds us, at least some centuries. Which means when he finds us our body must be decayed to a pile of bones, no muscels or flesh left. How are we able to look like as we have never been dead? (Except exos)
I'll have to check this one out later, but wanted to say after reading through the cards you mentioned on stream, I can see this being a big topic to consider for later. especially with the word "special" being used so frequent.
Im assuming this is false but do you think that Bungie made thorn overpowered just to reference Dredgen Yor's reign of the crucible. That would be really cool.
Our ghost actually tried to resurrect another Guardian before us, but he refused. It's a scan dialogue at the end of the mission where you steal Cayde-6's stealth tech from his stash.
This idea just occurred to be after watching the video on Eris's rock and the video where you mentioned ghosts have actual names. What do you think of the idea that calling them ghosts is actually very literal? Could they be a traveler equivalent of the tomb husks, storing a guardian's soul for resurrection? That could potentially be another explanation for why ghosts search for their guardians for so long. They're not looking for a set of criteria and compatability, they're literally looking for their own corpse. It could also explain why Dredgen Yor's ghost left him for the terrible things he did while the ghosts of the warlords that the Iron Lords fought did not. Almost like Yor's ghost no longer recognized what he had become, while the warlords were just staying true to their nature. The big problem I can see though is that Ward's ghost leaving for Shin kind of breaks the theory unless Shin was never resurrected by it after inheriting it. Anyway, I haven't researched it at all or looked around to see if this has already been shot down somewhere else. Anyone think this might hold water?
I feel like its a mix of 1 and 3.The Ghost finds an ancient corpse that has the same personality with,but that guardian must have some sort of mutation caused by the Traveler or have a mentality and spirit to be able to control the light within themselves.
I legitimately fell asleep around the 3 minute mark and woke up right when the video got important. Not an insult, but damn your voice is calm and soothing.
The Stealthy King If we have light, then the ghost doesn't give a fuck about us decomposing, he's going to revive us and regenerate us. (Fun fact: In the original story of destiny back in 2014, the main story we see now was that of the exos, the humans and awoken had other stories on how the ghosts found them.)
Dogyc MC Oh we sure did, A ghost requires light to revive someone. Mylen states that guardians don't have memories of their previous lives before the ghost resurrected them, it wouldn't be out if question if our guardian had some sort of interaction with the traveler prior to their death.
Another ghost that leaves his chosen person is the one that Osiris talks to , the one of the warlord that he kills in the forest.. remember ? And that ghost does not ressurect the warlord because Osiris convinces her not to.
I wanna know how the classes are chosen. Like how you become a titan or a warlock or hunter. Does your ghost choose? Don't make the "You go to the menu and create a character." joke plz.
Devils Advocate if you still want an answer, it’s most likely based on your personality in your past life. Hence why Zavala who is speculated to have been in some sort of military or army of some kind, was reborn a titan. And why Cayde who was seen being very care free and unorthodox in all of his endeavours was reborn as a hunter
I asked this question during one of your streams! You noticed and mentioned the thought but its amazing that you actually made a video on it! This was always a question that i wondered, its Great to know a few answers.
On Personality/Obidience: Then what of the Warlord-era? From what I have heard from you and Bye is there was a great swath of the newly risen that were not the blinded knight-type. but used their pseudo-immortality to gain power for themselves (thought that could still be used to protect the Traveler). Also, of the Vex and the connection to the Void: There may be quite a huge difference between the Black Garden's void, and Void light. Bungie seems to be pretty on top of their capitalization in the lore (sometimes making things sound slightly off), so I'd say if the those grimoire cards were talking about Void (light), and not just a void (2: containing nothing - Merriam-Webster), they would of been capitalized.
GM myelin, I would love for our ghosts to read our past memories, and maybe bungie could use it in an upcoming destiny game play and use our past memories as flashbacks blended with the cut scenes, let me know what you think peace
So, Rasputin prevented the Traveler from leaving us like it left the Eliksni, necessitating the creation of the Ghosts. That’s an interesting thought that makes sense given what we know of how the Traveler left them.
if you guys can remember the ghosts were sent out the moment the traveler died. As gaurdians and iron lords were falling apart. The traveler hoped he or she would be able to recover from the light of our dead selves. That in my theory is why the traveler gave us ghosts. They were pretty much mindless machines sent out to reanimate us. The traveler did not give the ghosts certain gaurdians they should go after. they were trying to search the ones that might be able to save the traveler. When the ghost found us they saw our potential of our light. this gave me questions as exos, humans, awoken were we involved in other wars from our past. If so how did we die, where did we come from, more importantly what was our purpose besides fighting to protect the light
The Last Word it's my Destiny but, if the traveler is dead the defenises will shut down, there for fallen atacking the wall in the ghalahorn quest and in the raid oh and great job writting all that
#1 Another instance that a GHOST might be able to match with mulit-Guardians. Is shown in the short dialog (Taken King/Cade's Stash) Were before he found you he found a extremely high light level Guardian ( aka Master Chief) that decided to not join the battle. Which brings us to Point #2 Obedience. Possible reason why the Ghost did not bond with him, before finding you.
William King if you look at the gun when you activate your golden gun super you can see that the gun model is the exact same as the last word so I guess they're kinda one in the same
another thing which supports the theory that ghosts can see dead people's pasts is that the ghost in the first cutscene of the game scans a dead body and says "ouch" implying that they had a horrible death or maybe something dreadful occurred in their previous life.
he remembers his child "Ace" presumably his son which is why the deck of cards mean so much to him. he likens them to other fragmented memories he is still trying to recover.
By the way if you kill the boss in caydes stash, before you find the cloaking tech jump onto the centre area pull out your ghost and scan the cryo-pod, your ghost said that he resurrected him first before you. And he said he'd seen too many wars and to kinda kill him.
Countertheory. The Ghost is your own soul, Taken (Capital T intentional) with the last breath of the Traveler, animating your old body. The protagonist having near-zero personality makes sense that way, being a simulacrum animated by its soul that exists beside it, a little metal ball "Ghost Shell" that is much more relatable as a person.
Fluffy Punts there are a lot of theories. After reading the book of sorrow I believe that the darkness made a deal with the hive and made them believe that the traveller was planning on destroying their species. The darkness uses the traveller to lead the hive around the universe finding species to challenge them. When the traveller finds a system with live it accelerates the species development giving them a head start before the hive get there. Then when the hive arrive it leaves and goes to find another system. Rasputin stops the traveller from leaving so it had to make guardians to create a stalemate with the hive. Otherwise the hive would just destroy the traveller once they are done with us.
I know how guardians are really chosen. Devotion, self-sacrifice, and death. Devotion inspires bravery, bravery inspired self-sacrifice, self-sacrifice leads to death. And then that death leads to great power and immortality.
Robert Butler as far as I know, neither have been confirmed. But what we DO know is that Rasputin made preparations for this... "eventuality"... But was it used? Don't know. But I'd love to know! But it wouldn't come to me as a surprised that the Traveler tried to escape and good O'l Rasputin forced it to stay, taken the Travelers history of up and running into account. Just read the Books of Sorrow or ask the Eliksnee. The got left by the Traveler when attacked by the Darkness!
blackwolfrules56 not that I don't believe you, but would could you please tell me where you have that confirmed? I just want to know the conclusion to that question my self, if it has been concluded.
The ones touched by the travelers light lived for over 300 years, I bet it’s Kuz we were old and wise like that. One of the lore cards talks about one of the shadows that turned that he was old and tired from fighting long wars from times before
I think guardians loss of memories has more to do with the fact that they are ussually dead when the ghost finds them, Shim remembered Jaren and Dregen Yor from before the ghost found him (sorry for spelling) which I believe is mentioned in the final "the last word" card
Adam Roquemore I would say "no". Mainly because we have Lady Efrideet and her faction of Guardians, who left Earth and the fight, in favour of pacifism. Their ghosts are their companions. Through better or worse. Just like Dredgen Yors ghost first left him, after being threatened to by Yor himself.
There’s a guardian who put himself in a stasis pod on earth because he was sick of the wars. You can find him at the end of the Cayde’s Stash mission on D1. Your ghost explains that he tried to interact with the guardian, but was told to go away.
i forgot what piece of armor i read this, i think it was from a warlock arm band it read " maybe we where in a better place , a good place, but then the ghost resurrected us" i think the question we should be asking is how strong were we in the past life? i belive the traveler took notice of our strenght and before he went dormant he told the ghost to look for us .
1:Rasputin didn't stop the traveler, he abandoned humanity an shut down while the traveler fought the darkness. 2: the traveler does not control guardians (the warlords ) Osiris was just insane, the speaker banished him because kept tempting guardians away from protect the civilians that were coming to the city. 3: not everyone has Light, it seems that the traveler gave more light to humanity that she did to other species which is why oryx couldn't take the awoken(one of the captured take mentions that it can sense their light even it it is tiny) and 4: I'm not sure about this one. it I think the exo are human minds contained in a robotic body, which might be a more advanced version of the proxy bodies that the Ishtar researchers use.
clerford lawrence we aren't entirely sure but Rasputin AT LEAST thought about it: "Unknown to the other Warminds, however, Rasputin had made his own preparations, known as the "ABHORRENT IMPERATIVE." If humanity was threatened with extinction, and that the Traveler attempted to leave, Rasputin would open fire with his most powerful weapons to immobilize the Traveler and thereby coerce it into a "pseudoaltrusitic" defensive action. In effect, the Traveler would be forced to protect humanity if it wanted to survive. Rasputin would avoid culpability for such an attack by initiating it through a series of proxies. Even before the collapse, Rasputin had been discretely stockpiling such weapons in the Cosmodrome, though some human operators suspected Rasputin's involvement. It is unknown if Rasputin's scheme was ever implemented during the Collapse, or if the Traveler remained on Earth for another reason."
rav3style that card is the only one that hints that Rasputin right have attacked the traveler and it's only a contingency, also Rasputin's logs of the collapse state that he cancelled "population protection objective" and "counterforce objectives" and shut down but nowhere does it give even a hint of the traveler leaving in any card it only show her willingly stay and fight.
So i got a question. Is a guardians class chosen by the last wish of the person or is it chosen by the will of someone. And if so would a hunter from d1 be able to turn into a titan in d2 after losing his light and changing his purpose to defending the city after gaul?
I think the amount of light is relative to the guardian. remember the master chief Easter egg on the top of the colony ship. when your ghost comments on how much light he had but doesn't want to wake up "that he had enough war"
i think that all these theories are pretty good, but i agree the most with theory 2. there is a grimoire card which i cant think of its name right now, but it talks about how before a guardian is first revived, they have to fight an army of everyone one they ever knew to reach an objective. that sounds a lot like blind obedience.
We were found in a wrecked and rusted traffic jam in destiny 1 odds are 9/10 we were regular people prior to dying from the great collapse. Then i feel like light is also kindness and courage hence them searching specific remains.
I think the whole thing about how Guardians can't remember their past life is possibly because the ghost can't recreate your past memories (there is a thing in biology that says that you can't regenerate memories once they have been lost due to damage to the memory storing part of the brain) but after he revives you for the first time, all your memories and biological data are saved in the ghost so he can revive (or possibly recreate) you with the memories you make as a Guardian as long as you have that ghost.
In the TTK dlc, in caydes stash mission, ghost tells you he tried to revive another but he preferred to sleep. So I guess a chosen guardian can deny revival and stay in slumber if they choose. Also great videos.
I Wonder if it isn't our heroism that is the most valuable. willing to fight against all odds to save humanity. touched by the light and ability to wield it I think is very important
You're comment about all people having solar, arc or void energy within them, but that only a few can actually channel it, makes me think of the Force XD
Thanks for the raid carry kind of (I was Enderdiamond220) it was really fun talking about past dlc's and I hope we can play sometime again love ur vids.
A question and a musing. First, the musing: I wonder if Osiris still has his ghost and what it thinks of his faction. Second, the question: I understood from the grimoire that Rasputin chose not to fire on the Traveler in the end; I thought that when the Traveler decided to stay and fight Rasputin stood down and held his fire. Am I wrong?
This brings more interest to the thanatonauts who seem to view events of the past as well as the future. However the Exos seem able to do this just by sleeping. Like you mentioned, perhaps the mindwipes are done by the ghosts as the Exos memories are resistant to being altered.
Me and my friend said you are always found in the same spot as well as everyone else in the game so we said there is a pile of dead bodies in the cosmodrome
here's how i see it, if i was dead for years and then this little robot revived me and was like "i represent this traveller and you're going to fight for it" i wouldn't turn it down
I wish there would be some sort of compatability. like in destiny 2 you answer a few questions and that determines what type of ghost's personality you get or something.
Let's say I existed before the collapse and I was a super human of all sort blessed by the traveller. The collapse happens and for some reason the traveller remembers me due to some outstanding feature. My existence then gets transferred into a ghost and I have to spend eternity looking for my own long dead remains to reincarnate as a guardian, a channel of the light I previously had and my own personal protector. Somehow it is it's own human but it's still obedient to the traveller's grand plan almost whispered by me as a ghost?
Elaboration after watching how guardians die: Ghosts are referred to by the cabal as a dead person this dead person, hence the name ghost, somehow establishes a connection with its previous body to fabricate an avatar of it's light this is why when the guardian's existence is obliterated through any means, the ghost can still channel its light into the remaining light of the guardian to reincarnate it. Abilities recharge, super charge builds with kills, your shield and health go down but will always regenerate, the ghost is a conduit constantly fueling the guardian with light. But if a guardian loses its ghost and it's light it is gone forever. However in Destiny 1 you are tasked with reviving dead ghosts, this could mean that as long as it's powered up, maybe by transferring light into it, it can try and find it's guardian to once again revive. Immortal, but not invisible. Thanks for reading.
I don't remember what the lore was called but it's in one of the ghost fragments. It was about a ghost leaving their guardian because the guardian was thought to be insane. Also, the guardian couldn't be trusted to fight for the traveler either.
Guardians are chosen when they pay $60.
You can only use your ability's when you pay for the season pass.
Derpinal Lmao nice one dude.. 😂 😂 😂
LOL
true
lmfao 😂
Guardians aren't Zombies. They just had a really long respawn time
The Karion they were in a darkness zone, waiting for that revive.
So it's real. Spartans never die, their just missing in action
Nice! XD
lol
Yep pretty much
my friends and I were discussing this very topic a month or so ago. I had the wild (possibly not so wild at all) idea of this, "What if the Traveler made a mental carbon copy of every being in our system and when it died it pasted those copies onto the ghosts. When the guardians are revived the first time, perhaps it was due to the ghost finding the corpse of the mental blueprint they had, the 'soul', if you will." I followed it up with the fact that they are called "ghosts" and ghosts in literature and mythos are supposed to be the souls of the dead. Which is why we can see what's around us while being revived. We're looking from the perspective of the ghost, OUR ghost. (our 'soul').
Michael Herod
Michael Herod that makes sense.
What is this? Madoka Magika? Lmao
That makes sense.
that wouldnt make sense tho, guardians and ghosts dont have the same voices , or gender
"How much of a Guardian's [...] memories were true?"
"Like all Guardians, Fenchurch has no memories"
"Maybe they can look into our past memories"
Getting a lot of mixed messages here
Shin Malphur didn't just just become a gunslinger; he created the gunslinger class. At least that the way I see it. When Shin killed Yor; he claimed that he felt a heat rise in him and was channeled through his cannon, and he shot Yor three times. When as gunslinger called upon the golden gun it looks like the last word and it fires three shots.
Imedge But shin is a fairly new guardian. And the golden gun is a feeling- an instinct. It has no (creator)
@@cjbladesworth8049 im really late but I disagree. I believe the blade barrage was the first weapon from the solar subclass. It might’ve been created during the dark ages when ammo and refined weapons were very rare.
@@warriorboltz8817 nay, blade barrage was Cayde’s invention from what we know. Had it been a dark age invention, we shouldn’t need Cayde’s spark to rouse it.
How Guardians are chosen:
Step 1. Buy the game
Step 2. Open game
Step 3. Insert Disc into console of choice
Step 4. Install update
Step 5. Install MORE shit
Step 6. Create a Guardian
AsRandomlt true
AsRandomlt c
nice joke. made me laugh
Lol
Ghost revive you only after you pay for each expansion..... 30, 40, 20, 30, 40.......60 ..........until broke.
How are they chosen?
By how little they talk.
the ghost runs shit, its our speaker
what if the ghost is our personality and our body is the weapon
@@angelkvsh4993 that's what I thought
Well then, nice to know I’ll never be a guardian Lol
Unless its Cayde in which case its the opposite lol
What if the Guardians discovered the true intentions of the Traveler, and in response the Traveler drained the Guardians of their Light. But since, it needed something to protect it, it revived the Guardians without their memories, unaware of what the Traveler was hiding
Seris daum
Seris never thought of it that way damn u smart
Seris ho shit
that can easily be why the exo's had their minds wiped. i believe the number after their names represent the number of times their minds were wiped. maybe that's why the traveler is "asleep"... exo's created to combat the traveler and the traveler won. the speaker acting as a false prophet using "religion" to control everyone and after everything was reset during the fall of the traveler that the traveler could safely create ghosts and guardians to protect it while it slept. this may also be why lyssander tried to overthrow the speaker and the other factions that blindly followed the speaker as europe followed the pope during the times of the crusades.
Seris my friend has always had reasons to believe the traveller was evil and he convinced me, and I'm skeptical at. it's entirely possible. i mean it was the one who brought the dark eh?
The guardians who wield the light to lead are deciding their own destiny. Not the one the Traveler, in anger, in rage at being ignored, decided for them. The greatest insult to an enemy, a foe, a god, is to be ignored. You choose your own destiny when you do more than kill. The Traveler, a god, controlled humanity through enlightenment. Guardians are controlled through the Light directly.
Osiris, the Dark-Light, has found a way to forge his own path. He adores the Light, yes, but it is his own light. Not the Travelers Light. He, of humanity’s Light, want to battle the Darkness with the valor, courage, and strength of humanity. Not the Traveler.
Toland was on a similar path. His was a path of grey. Darkness, yes, but of a lighter shade. Not wholly Dark, but neither truely in the direct Light. He, of the Light’s Shadow, believes in humanities cunning, thrist for knowledge, and creativity of things beyond the Light.
Ghosts are pure Light, considered to be the antithisis to Darkness. But could it be the Darkness that tainted humanity during the collapse, the Darkness that draws Guardians to destroy that which emerges from said Darkness, also draws facination from the Ghosts. They see the Darkness in the Guardians and, at first, seek to crush it. To stamp it out of the Guardian. Sometimes they succeed. The loyalty in the Traveler becomes complete. But sometimes the Dark becomes part of the Ghost. They start learning the Dark is part of humanity. How they could learn from each other. Become one. And be more powerful for it. And sometimes...the Dark overcomes thr Ghost. They become obsessed with it. They quail at the thought of becoming part of the Light again. They drive their Guardian insane by wanting nothing but Dark. And so the Guardian falls. Becoming a shadow, and earning Sorrow from those they once knew.
They Scan for midichlorians of course, duhhhh!
Profanity343 genius
Profanity343 oh yeah.
Profanity343 I need to see a force wielding guardian
just give me a void light saber, and i'll show some Cabal the force ;)
Lord Vader would rekt everyone xD
ghost are destined to find their guardian hence Destiny
Malik!! guess what my first point originally was? 1. Fate/Destiny. I actully changed it to compitability because I thought people would not like it. However, you will notice that the evidence for compaitbility is very fate/destiny orintated i.e. predetermined
Myelin Games yea I heard your little destiny reference in your first point just making it more clear
Which could also indicate that the entity original never knew of the intent of the Traveler and their own destiny.
7:19 Due to the science of how memories work, it's probably because after we died, our memories went. Our body was Probs a skeleton when our ghost found us. As soon as the memory part of the brain is damaged, or our whole brain deteriorates then we lose those memories.
Ultr Gaming I was thinking the same thing about our guardians unable to remember their pass lives
Ultr Gaming human and awoken anyways
Ultr Gaming what about the exo?
Ahh I like this theory, if one then asks how our body could be so fully restored from a decomposed mess if not our me,priest, well then the ghost only needs to look at our genetic blueprints (DNA) and go from there ;)
thabeavsta Well exo's don't really have many memories of their past anyway. Effectively they are just machines but they implant the personality of a human to give them the ability to think for themselves. There are mentions in the grimoire of exo's having dreams of things that they believe happened to then in life but they aren't able to tell for sure.
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Myelin Games Great idea for a topic mate. Keep it coming! :)
Myelin Games one thing I will say is Destiny 2 doesn't have a story I'm not buying it and they repeat what they did in year one I am not buying it
Myelin Games I think Destiny came at a time where not a lot of good games were coming out butt now that's changed is a lot of good games out there now and going into next year so I hope destiny 2 is good
will you make a video about warlords?
rax raven warlords?
"A spark that the ghost can reignite" best quote for the evening
destiny has the best lore out of any game I played to bad it's wasted away
Shawn Brown play skyrim
Video Gamer hmmm
Shawn Brown elder scrolls and witcher (tho thats based off a book series so i guess that doesnt count)
Dank Souls?
Shawn Brown is say dark souls had the best lore of any game series but destiny is definitely up there, I'd say top 4
One question: is the ghost able to repair a dead body? If I remember correctly, we as guardians have been dead for a while before our ghost finds us, at least some centuries. Which means when he finds us our body must be decayed to a pile of bones, no muscels or flesh left. How are we able to look like as we have never been dead? (Except exos)
Part of your genius is simply finding new, interesting topics to cover when the tap seemingly runs dry! Thanks man love these videos
The drifter: Obedience? Bitch you ain't my dad.
I'll have to check this one out later, but wanted to say after reading through the cards you mentioned on stream, I can see this being a big topic to consider for later. especially with the word "special" being used so frequent.
Now that I think about it, it would be neat if we ever saw a ghost or two in the wild searching for their guardian
Blinded knight = The player who has spent over 100$ on a single game and still loves it
Arnar2000 cheaper than buying a new game every two weeks :)
Arnar2000 Jewish Knight
one who is smart with their money haha
I'll have you know I spent 100 twice to have it on PS4 and now PC.
13:05 HeTotally walked over to get the heavy ammo, I know this video is older but I love this channel and I hope you see this!!
Im assuming this is false but do you think that Bungie made thorn overpowered just to reference Dredgen Yor's reign of the crucible. That would be really cool.
Our ghost actually tried to resurrect another Guardian before us, but he refused. It's a scan dialogue at the end of the mission where you steal Cayde-6's stealth tech from his stash.
This idea just occurred to be after watching the video on Eris's rock and the video where you mentioned ghosts have actual names. What do you think of the idea that calling them ghosts is actually very literal? Could they be a traveler equivalent of the tomb husks, storing a guardian's soul for resurrection? That could potentially be another explanation for why ghosts search for their guardians for so long. They're not looking for a set of criteria and compatability, they're literally looking for their own corpse. It could also explain why Dredgen Yor's ghost left him for the terrible things he did while the ghosts of the warlords that the Iron Lords fought did not. Almost like Yor's ghost no longer recognized what he had become, while the warlords were just staying true to their nature. The big problem I can see though is that Ward's ghost leaving for Shin kind of breaks the theory unless Shin was never resurrected by it after inheriting it. Anyway, I haven't researched it at all or looked around to see if this has already been shot down somewhere else. Anyone think this might hold water?
That intro is almost word for word the intro to the black garden raid in shadow keep
i love ur lore videos who else agrees?
I agree! His videos are so relaxing to watch and really beautifully filmed, written and performed
thank you
Thank you Vesperon for your kind word :)
Myelin Games No problem great work deserves credit.
Thank you Matt. and thanks for your efforts for Movember. I donated 10 dollars :)
Man I'm only two vids in, awesome. Subbed. Thanks for saving us a ton of trouble getting the cards and sorting it out.
I feel like its a mix of 1 and 3.The Ghost finds an ancient corpse that has the same personality with,but that guardian must have some sort of mutation caused by the Traveler or have a mentality and spirit to be able to control the light within themselves.
I legitimately fell asleep around the 3 minute mark and woke up right when the video got important. Not an insult, but damn your voice is calm and soothing.
I wonder why we didn't decomposed for all those years we were dead anyone else wonder that too ?
Maybe because we had light and it kept us from decomposing
The Stealthy King If we have light, then the ghost doesn't give a fuck about us decomposing, he's going to revive us and regenerate us.
(Fun fact: In the original story of destiny back in 2014, the main story we see now was that of the exos, the humans and awoken had other stories on how the ghosts found them.)
The Stealthy King what makes you think they weren't? after all, ghosts revive us out of basically thin air, we were probably ancient skeletons
Don Key We didn't have light. We were in fact, just a pile of bones when our ghost revives us for the first time
Dogyc MC Oh we sure did, A ghost requires light to revive someone. Mylen states that guardians don't have memories of their previous lives before the ghost resurrected them, it wouldn't be out if question if our guardian had some sort of interaction with the traveler prior to their death.
you're lore and videos are simply the best
Why not combine all 3 theories since they don't conflict each other
I like how in Witch Queen, your ghost got so angry about Ghosts serving the Hive, that he forgets a Ghost has a pre-determined Guardian.
My theory is that Ghosts choose their Guardians if they have Destiny or not
Another ghost that leaves his chosen person is the one that Osiris talks to , the one of the warlord that he kills in the forest.. remember ? And that ghost does not ressurect the warlord because Osiris convinces her not to.
I wanna know how the classes are chosen. Like how you become a titan or a warlock or hunter. Does your ghost choose? Don't make the "You go to the menu and create a character." joke plz.
Devils Advocate if you still want an answer, it’s most likely based on your personality in your past life. Hence why Zavala who is speculated to have been in some sort of military or army of some kind, was reborn a titan. And why Cayde who was seen being very care free and unorthodox in all of his endeavours was reborn as a hunter
I asked this question during one of your streams! You noticed and mentioned the thought but its amazing that you actually made a video on it! This was always a question that i wondered, its Great to know a few answers.
Huh. About time this topic was covered.
12:13 that reminded me of the gate of truth from fma
everyone has gate or truth but only an alchemist can open it
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On Personality/Obidience: Then what of the Warlord-era? From what I have heard from you and Bye is there was a great swath of the newly risen that were not the blinded knight-type. but used their pseudo-immortality to gain power for themselves (thought that could still be used to protect the Traveler).
Also, of the Vex and the connection to the Void: There may be quite a huge difference between the Black Garden's void, and Void light. Bungie seems to be pretty on top of their capitalization in the lore (sometimes making things sound slightly off), so I'd say if the those grimoire cards were talking about Void (light), and not just a void (2: containing nothing - Merriam-Webster), they would of been capitalized.
GM myelin, I would love for our ghosts to read our past memories, and maybe bungie could use it in an upcoming destiny game play and use our past memories as flashbacks blended with the cut scenes, let me know what you think peace
the way you said 'good at 14:00 xD... love your vids keep it up :)
Think of this the Speaker is Commander Hardy
So, Rasputin prevented the Traveler from leaving us like it left the Eliksni, necessitating the creation of the Ghosts. That’s an interesting thought that makes sense given what we know of how the Traveler left them.
if you guys can remember the ghosts were sent out the moment the traveler died. As gaurdians and iron lords were falling apart. The traveler hoped he or she would be able to recover from the light of our dead selves. That in my theory is why the traveler gave us ghosts. They were pretty much mindless machines sent out to reanimate us. The traveler did not give the ghosts certain gaurdians they should go after. they were trying to search the ones that might be able to save the traveler. When the ghost found us they saw our potential of our light. this gave me questions as exos, humans, awoken were we involved in other wars from our past. If so how did we die, where did we come from, more importantly what was our purpose besides fighting to protect the light
blindes light
The Last Word it's my Destiny - Did you just assume the Travelers gender. TRIGGERED!!!!!
The Last Word it's my Destiny but, if the traveler is dead the defenises will shut down, there for fallen atacking the wall in the ghalahorn quest and in the raid oh and great job writting all that
The Last Word i did it for the Looooot
The Last Word i wonder if regular ppl who aren't dead, can become guardians if chosen
#1 Another instance that a GHOST might be able to match with mulit-Guardians. Is shown in the short dialog (Taken King/Cade's Stash) Were before he found you he found a extremely high light level Guardian ( aka Master Chief) that decided to not join the battle. Which brings us to Point #2 Obedience. Possible reason why the Ghost did not bond with him, before finding you.
I thought that Shin killed Dredgen Yor with The Last Word then said "Yours, not mine" before killing him.
William King if you look at the gun when you activate your golden gun super you can see that the gun model is the exact same as the last word so I guess they're kinda one in the same
Daniel Castillo
another thing which supports the theory that ghosts can see dead people's pasts is that the ghost in the first cutscene of the game scans a dead body and says "ouch" implying that they had a horrible death or maybe something dreadful occurred in their previous life.
Good vid
Nice vid man thanks for all the hard work u put into these
What are ghosts real name? Or are they just called ghost?
Alex
York Karma I call my ghost Silver Fang. they need to put a ghost naming option in Destiny 2
Arnold
In year one i called mine dinklebot
"Little Light"
love your videos man! especially the background music
But Cayde can remember his human and past exo lives.....
those are just the fake synth memories the institute embedded into him!!
noo why fallout fuck you synths your not preston
He said he remembered a fleshy body but the lore tells more than he does
Powersheild he remembers shuffled pieces which is why it's analogous to a deck of cards
he remembers his child "Ace" presumably his son which is why the deck of cards mean so much to him. he likens them to other fragmented memories he is still trying to recover.
By the way if you kill the boss in caydes stash, before you find the cloaking tech jump onto the centre area pull out your ghost and scan the cryo-pod, your ghost said that he resurrected him first before you. And he said he'd seen too many wars and to kinda kill him.
THAT IS WHY I THINK JACOB HARDY IS THE SPEAKER.
holy shit thats my name do you actually think im like one of the main characters of the game????!!
404PizzaNotFound liar. your name is 404PizzaNotFound. I checked your birth certificate.
his name is my name in real life, just spelt different
404PissaNotFound WHERE'S THE PISSA? (the letter key cannot function that's why I places s)
Countertheory. The Ghost is your own soul, Taken (Capital T intentional) with the last breath of the Traveler, animating your old body. The protagonist having near-zero personality makes sense that way, being a simulacrum animated by its soul that exists beside it, a little metal ball "Ghost Shell" that is much more relatable as a person.
Is the traveler actually evil
Fluffy Punts there are a lot of theories. After reading the book of sorrow I believe that the darkness made a deal with the hive and made them believe that the traveller was planning on destroying their species. The darkness uses the traveller to lead the hive around the universe finding species to challenge them. When the traveller finds a system with live it accelerates the species development giving them a head start before the hive get there. Then when the hive arrive it leaves and goes to find another system. Rasputin stops the traveller from leaving so it had to make guardians to create a stalemate with the hive. Otherwise the hive would just destroy the traveller once they are done with us.
I believe good and evil are a matter of perspective. Doesn't really matter though, if I get to shoot aliens, I'm happy.
Is self presevation good or evil? Nobody could really tell or be able to judge this.
No just a douche
So our guardian's dead body was found in a car trying to hurry to McDonald's before the world ends 😂
Its all RNG picking a guardian lol jus sayin this for laughs haha
I know how guardians are really chosen.
Devotion, self-sacrifice, and death.
Devotion inspires bravery, bravery inspired self-sacrifice, self-sacrifice leads to death. And then that death leads to great power and immortality.
You are incorrect in saying Rasputin damaged the traveler and forced it to stay. The traveler actually chose to stay on its own.
Robert Butler as far as I know, neither have been confirmed. But what we DO know is that Rasputin made preparations for this... "eventuality"... But was it used? Don't know. But I'd love to know! But it wouldn't come to me as a surprised that the Traveler tried to escape and good O'l Rasputin forced it to stay, taken the Travelers history of up and running into account. Just read the Books of Sorrow or ask the Eliksnee. The got left by the Traveler when attacked by the Darkness!
As of Destiny 2, Rasputin did make him stay.
blackwolfrules56 not that I don't believe you, but would could you please tell me where you have that confirmed? I just want to know the conclusion to that question my self, if it has been concluded.
@@blackwolfrules56 No. It's the opposite. Destiny 2 confirmed that he DIDN'T make the traveler stay.
The ones touched by the travelers light lived for over 300 years, I bet it’s Kuz we were old and wise like that. One of the lore cards talks about one of the shadows that turned that he was old and tired from fighting long wars from times before
Can a guardian that was drained of light be reinfused and resurrected? I am so terribly curious to know.
Alex DeMilo He cannot.
Alex DeMilo I think he can't. In the mission where you first see the exo stranger, you don't revive the guardian because he has no light.
i thought you couldn't revive him because his ghost was dead
Kai Flame Ninja Didn't the guardian say something like 'there is nothing left, not even a speck of light'
Abhinav Praveen again, i thought he had no light since his ghost died
I think guardians loss of memories has more to do with the fact that they are ussually dead when the ghost finds them, Shim remembered Jaren and Dregen Yor from before the ghost found him (sorry for spelling) which I believe is mentioned in the final "the last word" card
I thought it had to do with metachlorians
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y2kplus9 "I don't like sand,it's course and rough"
I could literally fall asleep to these. In a good way :)
Has a Guardian ever intentionally given up their ghost to, for lack of a better word, retire?
Adam Roquemore I would say "no". Mainly because we have Lady Efrideet and her faction of Guardians, who left Earth and the fight, in favour of pacifism. Their ghosts are their companions. Through better or worse. Just like Dredgen Yors ghost first left him, after being threatened to by Yor himself.
There’s a guardian who put himself in a stasis pod on earth because he was sick of the wars. You can find him at the end of the Cayde’s Stash mission on D1. Your ghost explains that he tried to interact with the guardian, but was told to go away.
i forgot what piece of armor i read this, i think it was from a warlock arm band it read " maybe we where in a better place , a good place, but then the ghost resurrected us" i think the question we should be asking is how strong were we in the past life? i belive the traveler took notice of our strenght and before he went dormant he told the ghost to look for us .
1:Rasputin didn't stop the traveler, he abandoned humanity an shut down while the traveler fought the darkness. 2: the traveler does not control guardians (the warlords ) Osiris was just insane, the speaker banished him because kept tempting guardians away from protect the civilians that were coming to the city. 3: not everyone has Light, it seems that the traveler gave more light to humanity that she did to other species which is why oryx couldn't take the awoken(one of the captured take mentions that it can sense their light even it it is tiny) and 4: I'm not sure about this one. it I think the exo are human minds contained in a robotic body, which might be a more advanced version of the proxy bodies that the Ishtar researchers use.
clerford lawrence we aren't entirely sure but Rasputin AT LEAST thought about it:
"Unknown to the other Warminds, however, Rasputin had made his own preparations, known as the "ABHORRENT IMPERATIVE." If humanity was threatened with extinction, and that the Traveler attempted to leave, Rasputin would open fire with his most powerful weapons to immobilize the Traveler and thereby coerce it into a "pseudoaltrusitic" defensive action. In effect, the Traveler would be forced to protect humanity if it wanted to survive. Rasputin would avoid culpability for such an attack by initiating it through a series of proxies. Even before the collapse, Rasputin had been discretely stockpiling such weapons in the Cosmodrome, though some human operators suspected Rasputin's involvement. It is unknown if Rasputin's scheme was ever implemented during the Collapse, or if the Traveler remained on Earth for another reason."
rav3style that card is the only one that hints that Rasputin right have attacked the traveler and it's only a contingency, also Rasputin's logs of the collapse state that he cancelled "population protection objective" and "counterforce objectives" and shut down but nowhere does it give even a hint of the traveler leaving in any card it only show her willingly stay and fight.
i literally said we aren't entirely sure but that he AT LEAST thought about it
rav3style ok
"what of the place were we were wants us back?" I love the flavor text of the armor that questions what happened to our guardian while we were dead
Seraph/Seraph Reform.
So i got a question. Is a guardians class chosen by the last wish of the person or is it chosen by the will of someone. And if so would a hunter from d1 be able to turn into a titan in d2 after losing his light and changing his purpose to defending the city after gaul?
I loved all the bits about Osiris and blindly following the travler
Bro your voice is so soothing 😂
6:53 Check the Seraph/Seraph Reform armor sets.
I think the amount of light is relative to the guardian. remember the master chief Easter egg on the top of the colony ship. when your ghost comments on how much light he had but doesn't want to wake up "that he had enough war"
i think that all these theories are pretty good, but i agree the most with theory 2. there is a grimoire card which i cant think of its name right now, but it talks about how before a guardian is first revived, they have to fight an army of everyone one they ever knew to reach an objective. that sounds a lot like blind obedience.
We were found in a wrecked and rusted traffic jam in destiny 1 odds are 9/10 we were regular people prior to dying from the great collapse. Then i feel like light is also kindness and courage hence them searching specific remains.
Crazy how exos can be rezzed at all, since they are made with darkness
Maybe guardian exos have 'clarity' replaced with well I don't know the thing their ghost is made of LIGHT!
I think the whole thing about how Guardians can't remember their past life is possibly because the ghost can't recreate your past memories (there is a thing in biology that says that you can't regenerate memories once they have been lost due to damage to the memory storing part of the brain) but after he revives you for the first time, all your memories and biological data are saved in the ghost so he can revive (or possibly recreate) you with the memories you make as a Guardian as long as you have that ghost.
In the TTK dlc, in caydes stash mission, ghost tells you he tried to revive another but he preferred to sleep. So I guess a chosen guardian can deny revival and stay in slumber if they choose. Also great videos.
I Wonder if it isn't our heroism that is the most valuable. willing to fight against all odds to save humanity. touched by the light and ability to wield it I think is very important
You're comment about all people having solar, arc or void energy within them, but that only a few can actually channel it, makes me think of the Force XD
Thanks for the raid carry kind of (I was Enderdiamond220) it was really fun talking about past dlc's and I hope we can play sometime again love ur vids.
A question and a musing. First, the musing: I wonder if Osiris still has his ghost and what it thinks of his faction. Second, the question: I understood from the grimoire that Rasputin chose not to fire on the Traveler in the end; I thought that when the Traveler decided to stay and fight Rasputin stood down and held his fire. Am I wrong?
Myelin, what about the stasis pod at the end of the "Cayde's Stash" mission? Our ghost tells us he resurrected the guy, but he "preferred to sleep."
This brings more interest to the thanatonauts who seem to view events of the past as well as the future.
However the Exos seem able to do this just by sleeping. Like you mentioned, perhaps the mindwipes are done by the ghosts as the Exos memories are resistant to being altered.
all 3 theories + silent guardian all over the game = guardian are mere puppets
Me and my friend said you are always found in the same spot as well as everyone else in the game so we said there is a pile of dead bodies in the cosmodrome
here's how i see it, if i was dead for years and then this little robot revived me and was like "i represent this traveller and you're going to fight for it" i wouldn't turn it down
Great video as usual :D
Great vid man
I wish there would be some sort of compatability. like in destiny 2 you answer a few questions and that determines what type of ghost's personality you get or something.
Let's say I existed before the collapse and I was a super human of all sort blessed by the traveller. The collapse happens and for some reason the traveller remembers me due to some outstanding feature. My existence then gets transferred into a ghost and I have to spend eternity looking for my own long dead remains to reincarnate as a guardian, a channel of the light I previously had and my own personal protector. Somehow it is it's own human but it's still obedient to the traveller's grand plan almost whispered by me as a ghost?
Elaboration after watching how guardians die:
Ghosts are referred to by the cabal as a dead person this dead person, hence the name ghost, somehow establishes a connection with its previous body to fabricate an avatar of it's light this is why
when the guardian's existence is obliterated through any means, the ghost can still channel its light into the remaining light of the guardian to reincarnate it. Abilities recharge, super charge builds with kills, your shield and health go down but will always regenerate, the ghost is a conduit constantly fueling the guardian with light. But if a guardian loses its ghost and it's light it is gone forever.
However in Destiny 1 you are tasked with reviving dead ghosts, this could mean that as long as it's powered up, maybe by transferring light into it, it can try and find it's guardian to once again revive. Immortal, but not invisible.
Thanks for reading.
It feels kind of like a debt we owe to the Traveler for having used his light at some point, now we have to use it for his benefit
There's the case with the ghost choosing 2 guardians even with our ghost. At 'Cayde's Stash' mission where you scan that pod.
Fun fact: in new light when u are revived your ghost says "u do not know how long iv been looking for u"
This aged well considering that any race is on the table since Ghosts independently choose who to resurrect and even when, like in Finch’s case.
I don't remember what the lore was called but it's in one of the ghost fragments. It was about a ghost leaving their guardian because the guardian was thought to be insane. Also, the guardian couldn't be trusted to fight for the traveler either.