Here Why The New Honda Civic Type R Sportline Is The Car We Asked For, But Not The One We Needed
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2021
- In this video I'm driving the Civic Type R Sportline - the result of many people's requests to have a slightly toned down version of the Type R. However, I ask whether the car is now improved, made worse - or if it fails to do enough to justify being called a new model?
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Perspective.
See a gawdy shirt hanging in the shop: Ew, no thanks.
See a gawdy shirt hanging on Jay: Oh, yes please.
Size Triple XL.
@@ytsux9259 no need.
People still bitching about this car? It’s an all time great hot hatch - we’ll miss it when it’s gone…..
We've already seen the new 2022 Civic Type R and it is much, much plainer, so I don't know why people would still be complaining about the styling of this old one! :)
@@TassieLorenzo No, you have seen the 2023 Type R.
very true
Honestly wing isn't even the problem for me, it's really the rest of the design package being so fussy and rife with fakery
The phrase ive seen used is "riced from the factory"
It just seems to be trying way to hard….
Do you like the new one then? The smoother-styled FL2 Type R testing on the Nürburgring: ua-cam.com/video/hDGe0-G_aI4/v-deo.html
@@mudskipper0075 that's what the type r has been since the fk2
The aero is all functional- tbh it’s amazing to me how much development went into; Honda should be applauded
See this vid ua-cam.com/video/E_klkdpYghQ/v-deo.html
The latest Type R is the first car I would modify to tone down the look, the amount/size of the the fake vents are criminal! The Wing wasn't even the issue, but giving us the choice is the smart choice.
The sad thing is, this IS a high spec model. Fake vents are only acceptable if they are used in high spec models. And even then i just think, it would take almost no effort to just blank out fake vents with flat panels in the bumpers and things
I have a type r and the only fake vents on the thing are in the rear bumper. Everything else is functional. I used to think the wing was a bit much until I realized how much control I had at 90 mph.
What fake vents?
Used to hate the way these looked. Now I love them. It's a perfect antidote to the mundane, safe, and boring cars that otherwise clutter the roads.
Also kids love them
This car almost looks tame in comparison to the old one. I love it!
12:45 You had me rolling. I am American and 200F is quite warm
Yes, he do am being taking the pee.
The FK8 suffers more than any single car I can think of, of looking vastly better in motion and in the move than it does in pictures or even parked. Seriously, every time I see one whether I’m beind it on the highway, it’s negotiating turns, or it’s coming up behind me I think wow that’s actually very sharp design .....then I see one in a magazine 🤦🏻♂️
These cars look extremely better in person. I seen vids and pics of the LE Yellow Type R and thought what an ugly thing. But then I seen it at a local Honda dealer and was extremely impressed with its looks. Its as though those Stealth Bomber/Fighter jet edges are acting as camo against digital cameras haha.
So true my friend. Much like a Lamborghini Murcielago, it is something else in person! Presence
I love tilted shots like in British interviews from 30 years ago. Also wide angle shots need to do a comeback
Great video. Fantastic production. Keep up the good work.
For sure the FK8 has bold OTT styling we can't deny that. I own a FK8 Type R and I have to say on road it gets a lot of positive attention and thumb's up ... admittedly a large proportion of those people are teenage boys 😂. Personally I like the provocative design as it ignites opinion. You'd be mad to totally rule this car out purely based on looks. I call mine a wolf in wolf's clothing and I'm sure in years to come the FK8 will an iconic milestone in the Type R timeline and I'm proud have my FK8 sitting alongside my DC2 Teg.
I agree
Exactly. That's the point of any Type-R. The FK8-R is one of a very few modern cars I am interested in buying (GR Yaris & MX-5 are the others)
@@TheDalitis8 love the gr Yaris
@@TheDalitis8 I'd go for the GR Yaris, it's limited in production and I presume it will retain its value very well, and maybe even appreciate in value after many years, looks like a future classic. And the GR Yaris is an absolute blast to drive, the AWD system is great and it looks sexy, as long as you don't care about practicality this is probably a better bet than the type R (but the type R is still an amazing car)
@@aadi8568 the problem I have with the GR Yaris is that it is a three cylinder. They do not last.
Like your work ethic Jay....keep em coming
Thanks chap
If you buy a type R buy it with the big WING, otherwise what's the point.
Having an extremely practical and fun car with a great gearbox. The wing isn't the point, it's not a plymouth superbird
@@chrisogrady28 Consider an i30N or GTI then
@@chrisogrady28 Its just the fastest hot hatch money can buy. Smokes RS3 and AMG 45s on track and especially Nurburgring.
I agree. I dont understand why anybody wouldnt.🤦♂️🤪🤪🤪
About that gearbox. Aftermarket TypeR specialists solved that issue. Gearbox is fine but it need heat shield and different oil. You should do both of those thing immediately after purchase. In Poland at least one of the dealers was offering this for new customers. Unfortunately Honda banned him from doing that and they're claiming that there's no issue and this modification (even just the shield) voids the warranty
Nice use of different shots and angles, i like the old stuff and many of us in the comments have noticed. I did wonder what that funny bright lighting was in a couple of places, why you were all washed...oh, oh, sunshine. Right.
Anyone slating an FK8 type r should drive one - I did and bought one.
Amazing car. Feel so connected to it.
We did get the saloon but only with the 1.0 litre. There are other major flaws with this review. Evo magazine actually named the CTR it's track car of the year in 2018 and one of the main reasons was because the weather was appalling and they said you could drive the car almost as you did in the dry. The traction was brilliant and the front end was as quick to turn in as ever. Next, I've not really heard anyone else complaining about turbo lag and being a Honda fan boy I've probably read every review out there including the one where Evo tested it against all the other major hot hatches including the Merc A45 (at £55k and another 100bhp) and the Yaris and this still came out on top. Next, to expect a manufacturer to change the satnav and some of the switchgear for one trim level in a model is just not going to happen. I challenge you to name another car where this has been done by any manufacturer at any price. Factor into the equation that this was a bit of a niche model that was on sale for only a few months and you make yourself look even more foolish. You also forgot to mention that the infotainment system has Apple carplay and Android auto which goes some way towards alleviating the crapness of the basic system. This feels like a half baked review that tried to take on a different slant but it just ends up being well, half baked and it embarrasses you. Must do better.
1. I mentioned in this review, that grip with these tyres on in the wet is apparently much improved.
2. I don't care what any other review said, or failed to say - it is laggy as hell.
3. I wasn't expecting them to do it just for the Sportline, but to do it for the facelift would have made sense. Yes I know it has Android Auto, so does a £300 system from Halfords. It wasn't a great implementation.
4. By the way, plenty of manufacturers have different screens/infotainment across trim levels (KIA do in several models)
@@JayEmmOnCars What if...... it just has a torrent of power that comes on quickly and exponentially(turbos inherently have exponential power potential)?? Its a tad laggier than my 1.5 turbo Civic hatch but the overhead(ceiling) is much higher when you get it, around 3000 or 3500(memory from my 2 test drives)
Great stuff Jay. A really balanced and thoughtful review. Personally, I could never own a car where the engine 'gets in the way' of driving. Call me old fashioned but the NA Civil Type Rs are where it's at
Trust me, it doesn't.
@@b3rs doesn't what?
@@ThunderChunky101 what?
@@b3rs So it doesn't "get in the way" after all?
@@leightaylor806 It depends on how you define 'getting in the way'.
If you treat this car for what it is and not what it isn't, then it doesn't.
However, if you think that a turbo engine is going to give you all it has on low RPM with a snap of the finger, then I think you might be disappointed. The question is whether it's the car's fault or yours?
For what it's worth, Zeperfs claims that Type R is more or less the same as GTI Clubsport when it comes to acceleration on 4th gear.
Excellent video, I spied several times from a different 'perspective' one of Harry Metcalfe's favourite corners for his road tests, lol, it's a great area for cross-country driving.
Great! Perspectives is what we need.
I've had my full fat one over three years now. I love it. It can go from every day mundanity with child seat etc. to fun precision track day machine.
The only thing it is a little out of its comfort zone in its when it's really wet and slippery. Even still it's okay, just not as sure-footed as the Subarus I had before it.
Full fat? The BHP and engine is exactly the same as the GT. Spoiler, front seats colour and 1 inch difference in the wheels is the only difference between them.
@@BryBry2ply
You’ll find that the GT is leagues ahead, it has all of the functional aero
@@CJax749 Its exactly the same car. Look at the stats. Red chairs, a red ring around the wheels and a bigger rear wing is not leagues ahead. If anything the GT is heavier.
So a wonky engine might keep enthusiasts away and a dated interior and flashy exterior might keep everybody else away. Still, it seems to be sold out. What a world ...
As someone who plumped for a Sportline - it did precisely all I needed. Interior much less shouty, no 20" wheels and no pinstripes and of course no wing. It's exactly what I wanted and I love it to bits. It's an incredible car and possibly the best driving motor I've ever owned.
Why would you want your Type R to look like a standard model? It's a Type R. It should stand out from the crowd.
@@redlineste4283 a) It's not the looks I want the car for, it's the driving experience (you know, the thing that actually matters) b) It doesn't look like the standard models, it just looks less chavvy.
@@pauljames6059 looks wrong without the wing on the back.
@@redlineste4283
People seem to miss that the type r is meant to be over designed and standing out.
The world is filled with boring German lookalikes, I love that Honda went for the classic JDM out there design.
That’s why I bought the GT, and tbh I only ever seem to see negative comments online, everyone I’ve ever met in person has been enamoured by it tbh
I find the FK8 looks like it was designed by a child on a playstation...dare I say it's chavvy. I'm sure another's perspective will be different, but I prefer at least SOME degree of subtlety
A golf R is chavy, its not the 90's. Understated = chav
@@davidkelly2542 Chavs don't do understated, they do "look at me". This is chavvy as fuck.
@@BigUriel no chavs buy golf r and audi S3 because they think they are "sick"
its not even chavvy, it is just ricey
@@davidkelly2542 Lots of people buy Golf Rs and S3s, some of them are Chavs and some are not. But for the most these are relatively discreet cars and not particularly chavvy.
A chav is someone who buys a 1.2 Corsa and fits a cheap aftermarket exhaust that makes it louder than a Lambo. A chav is someone who seeks attention even if it's the wrong kind. This Honda is chavvy as fuck, it looks ridiculous and overdone and full of fakery out of the factory.
Gosh, Honda did an excellent job on the interior if it can withstand 200 degrees F! 😅
LOL
Yup that would be more like 82 degrees Fahrenheit.
The more I see of type R's, the more I think the FN2 was peak type R. The last car with the NA high revving engine, looked super cool (IMO, one of the very hatchbacks I like the look of), and crazy practical. I used to just think they were too high but when I sat in one the drivers seat is pretty damn low for a hatch. Might try and pick one up before everyone else realises
Or maybe you mean the vastly superior JDM FD2 version.
FN2 is the worst Type-R of all and should have been called the SI.
@@v4skunk739 it is definitely the worst, but honestly still doesn't make it a bad car, it is still quite good and since no one likes it you can find them really cheap, honestly banging value nowadays
@@TheDalitis8 4 doors are ugly and B pillar is in the way of side view
It's wild styling and I love it myself.
I own a 1.0 turbo version as of a few months ago and I love it.
I'd certainly enjoy a type R but it your right in saying it should just be a type r with the option of removing the wing instead of a whole different model. I'd want the red interior also.
Great balanced review though and can certainly accept the critism but coming from an mg3..to a micra..to the civic.. the interior still looks great and feels more modern by comparions to me...Perspective.
This week I test drove both the civic 1.0 and the 1.5 and I have to say that I’m very surprised with the performance of the 1.0 for such a small engine. However, I prefer the 1.5 😃
@@ruinunes8251 yeah I test drove the 1.5 a year or two back (it's why a civic was on my short list of next possible cars) and made me fall in love with it.
I honestly thought the 1.0 was gonna feel sluggish but yeah like you I was impressed and enjoy it now...but I still want the 1.5 next when prices come down again xD
@@CaiSpidox Agree with you, prices are stupid right now. I originally wanted a CRV (because of family) but the prices of the CRVs are over the roof as well. My choice at the moment most possibly will be the civic as it is one of the largest hatchbacks around.
@@ruinunes8251 yeah luckily my last car was worth more than what I got it for originally so it allowed me to get a Civic.
But yeah it's a good family car, regardless of its sportier shape there is plenty of room. I was amazed when my 6.4 tall brother in law got in the back, and was like I'm comfortable, plenty of space.
I'd never buy the 1.0T or the 1.5T. They are both prone to oil dilution.
Same for Ecoboost Fords.
I neeeeeed that outro as a ringtone!
Its a bit of a mess , looks like a 12 year old was let loose in a bolt on body kit shop .
But oh-so-fun to drive. 😍
I love the type r, part of me just wishes it had a high revving NA engine
Yea. For some reason no one makes high revving engines for cheap anymore. Outside of the new z06 you have to basically buy an exotic for 8000+ rpm
@@SicSemperBeats because an NA engine would have to be quite large and guzzling to make the same power as a turbo 4 cyl. Why waste money on a huge engine that not many would buy due to the MPG and emissions, when you can easily just stuff a turbo on a smaller engine and produce just as much hp
Lol I don’t think it would pass euro emissions
@@aadi8568 I care more about response than peak power. I would rather have an NA 200bhp engine than a 280bhp turbo lump
@@chrisogrady28 yeah I agree, but that's the thought process behind putting turbos
I normally agree with your reviews but not in this case. My 2017 car is extremely responsive, especially at 4k revs as tested here. Admittedly I have a cold air intake and cat back exhaust which has probably freed up the mid range somewhat but it was not particularly laggy before. My other car is a 997 carrera s so I know about engine response. The benefits of 20k miles on the clock perhaps. Furthermore, the aircon is extremely effective at all times and on a run I have seen well over 40mpg when sitting at 80ish. Again, an engine which is properly run in perhaps. I agree about the in car electronics though. I can understand someone buying the gti if they can't abide the looks but in every other way that matters the civic is on another planet.
Oh and the steering: no it may not communicate massively but how many modern steering systems really do? It's about ten times better than the mk7 golf r I owned for two years before and no one seems to complain about the steering on those. In the end it's why I sold it.
yeah these get fairly small turbos to make them torquey down low. That said my 1.5 has a bit faster spool down low than the 2.0 but once 3500-4000 comes, the 2.0 reaches Mach 1
Hear instead of Here, but other than that great vid!
The GR Yaris is a rally rep!! Compare that to evos,stis,integrale etc this is a traditional fwd hot hatch. Why does everyone bang on about the GRY being so special just because it has awd lol. I've driven one and imo was so dull. Looking forward to next years type r!
GR Yaris is special because it's a homologation special
If I could afford it I would bought it with my eyes shut and I would definitely keep the wing! I don't care about the infotainment system! I only care about reliability and the way it drives
very accute analysis...looks like we are stuck waiting for the gr Corolla HATCH. Forget any 6 speed manual estate in US!
Since when have Honda been working on this model for “several years” .. it’s had a slight facelift for the end of run, they’ve removed the wing and changed some cosmetics which is what happens when manufacturers do a facelift version (or LCI in BMW terms).
Not like several years of R&D have gone into it.
God I'd love an Accord type-R. It'll never happen with the TLX, but It's nice to dream about. Even an HFP package would be nice.
I just can't been seen in this thing...
The Fk2 19 wheels with 245/35PS4S as fitted to the SportLine make a big difference to the usability and ride of this car on our pothole riven roads with no change in handling. If anything you can go faster because it's significantly smoother and your not constantly thinking about the next pinch flat or even new wheel. It's a £3K upgrade for an FK8 full-fat big winger but worth every penny.
Props for being the only UA-cam car reviewer to acknowledge what many Type-R owners worldwide have said - the gearbox is crap and not fit for purpose.
I had a gearbox problem with mine and occasionally it would lock out of 4th gear when changing down from 5th. The only way to get it into 4th gear was to double de-clutch. When I contacted Honda about this issue they stated that this was a characteristic of the gearbox! As a result, I ended up rejecting the car for a full refund.
A characteristic? Wow good for steering clear of that.
@@michaelyounes29 For some reason, the problem only affects a small amount of the cars. Sad really, as they are great cars to drive.
@@johnroskruge2752 synchros needed breaking in and the Honda fluid is not protective during exchanges.
In the opening shot I was waiting for a Doug Demuro type of entrance 🤣
Always like your take on things, just blatantly honest. Personally I think the 2 primary issues in regards to modern sports cars are 4 doors and too much tech. I miss the days of sports cars being 2 doors...yeah I get they dont sell as well but it just seems wrong to have too many doors on cars like this. Likewise, I get that modern tech is a mix of regulations and modern expectation, but it's just too much unnecessary junk on what's supposed to be a fun, engaging, visceral experience.
8:20 the prefacelift FK8 CTR also had the 3 tip exhaust
Thanks J, Honda do seem to be missing the mark a lot these days (at least in UK), great shame.
indeed. and closed the Swindon plant. I see them really losing global clout. But they are consolidating for future electrics.. Double shame! I wish they could give us ultra light cars with 100 mpg or better and hybrid acceleration assist
From watching this video James, my guess is that you will not like the GT3 Touring when you get to drive it on your regular test roads. I'm not sure about the 991.2 GT3 Touring, but I heard that the 992 GT3 Touring shares the same suspension settings as the 'regular' GT3 with a big wing. So what was meant to be a more subtle/discrete GT3 with a name that implies 'for the road', happens to have the same stiff ride as the track focused winged' brother. Looking on the Porsche configurator, the 991.2 GT3 Touring was pretty much a 'package' that you ticked in the option list, but for the 992 GT3 Touring - they made it its own model in the 911 line-up.
I agree somewhat with your thoughts here James. Honda should have stuck to keeping the Type R as an out-and-out B road monster, wing and all, whilst pushing the Si as the "grown up" sports hatch. That way they can still do what they do best with the R, whilst taking a slice of the Golf money. I'm surprised at the MPG though, as I manage mid to low 40's in my FN2 Type R and use it as a daily. That comically huge boot makes it far more practical than such a fast hatchback has any right to be. Couple that with it being the last generation of 9k RPM N/A screamer, and I think you'll see why although I respect and admire the later Turbo cars for thier raw grunt, I feel Honda have left behind part of what made the R something truly unmatched. Honda made a hatchback for those who are comfortable with being thier own person and owning thier passions, a subdued and meek design is the antithesis of that.
I’ve got the standard Current R. Best car I’ve owned. Get the styling Isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. But you can’t call it boring unlike a few hot hatches from a certain German automotive group. I’ve never owned anything that tickles as many egos as the civic does either
This is facts
Anyone seen these in the persuado Team dynamics colour versions as they have a metallic black body, black wheels with a orange details on certain parts of the car.
I personally love a FK8 to be boy racer spec with all the wings etc. A hot hatch should stand out.
We did get the saloon in the UK... in 2019.... briefly.
I was going to buy one of these but the 2nd hand market went crazy and wasn't worth getting (over 40k for one) so I ended up getting a 1.5 sport instead. After driving it for a few months I can say I've made the right choice it's much more comfortable and imo looks better as I'm not a fan of the boy racer look of the og type r. I just wish honda made a model in between the sport and the type r (like the old type s). My plan is to make my car like the type s they never made by using a ktuner or hondata to hopefully get a power figure in between the 2 models.
Agreed, the more lux approach would have made for a more compelling offering.
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Also, just want to call-out that I do appreciate your approach to these reviews. They are real and just what the enthusiast should know.
Caught a glimpse of one of these yesterday and thought someone had "de-spoilered" their civic type R.
Haha that's exactly what I thought when I saw one of them
I would suggest that turbo lag might be somewhat deliberate for the sake of emmisions?
Was this filmed a few months ago?
Civic "Saloon" called in 4D was available in Europe, I think last model year of that one was 2020
It would be nice if you try a gt2rs
@15:33
You notice those shirts James wears from a mile away..
Somebody at Honda bought an Impreza Spec D and was inspired...
Its kind of irrelevant because the new shape and design 2022 Type R is coming, you have to applaud Honda for always trying to please it's customers and the engineers intelligence, I have an old Na Type R and I love it but respect the turbos power, the R + mode is for a track which again for a hot hatchback is great. Comparing it to a GR yaris is again in relevant because the different class of cars the gr would fit in the boot of this more practical car that can carry loads of fancy shirts, you also keep mentioning the golf again one is a boring plain shirt the other one is a lairy one with a personality
I've watched a few new Honda reviews and there is a common thread growing. They have dropped the ball and are not making complete cars. Instead some areas have great design, great engineering. Whilst other areas are dreadful and out of date. Shame... but they are just no longer the Honda we used to know.
I think Honda are starting to water these cars down as they are trying to move away from the motorsport side of things to the green and happy future vehicles as already they have parted ways with Red Bull in F1 as a engine supplier and parted from supporting their biggest British Touring car teams Team Dynamics. Next Type R will most likely be a hybrid with automatic transmission which will slowly move it to fully electric power.
@@bentullett6068 Next civics will be Hybrids, Honda salesman told me.
Well, I'd say apart from the controversial styling and crap infotainment it's an absolutely amazing car, definitely a "complete car". Really the main problems of infotainment can be fixed with android auto/apple carplay and the styling can be fixed in the aftermarket
@@ruinunes8251 That's quite essential in the EU market with the strict WLTP emissions rules (max 95 g CO2/km fleet average).
@@ruinunes8251 MAYBE!! Already in Europe but not in other markets. Toyota has better and zippier electric in their hybrids
I own a 2017 from new - disagree with several points: engine is fantastic, steering brilliant, aircon is fine, the ride is fabulous- it just smooths out the bumps at speed and stays planted. See the car in motion and it looks fantastic. Agree though the touchscreen is crap.
Please do the Renault Megane RS!
Disappointing news about the air-con, as we have quite a few days around here above that 200°F mark. 😂
Yeah 28 degrees is in the high 80s if i remember the old system right.
@@acchaladka 82.4°F
Yea, around here 84F is a cool autumn/spring day. No problem with my AC. SomeFK8s are subject to a recall on the AC, I assume this is one of those.
Ah, the old TopGear feel is quite strong with this one. As for the CTR Sportline... no. I cannot gel with the way it looked. It just looks so awkward with that apologetic tiny wing and equally sorry-looking smaller wheels. I always prefer the standard bewinged CTR, but perhaps that's because I'm a card-carrying tart.
I really struggled with the styling of the Civic. With it's various oversized fake body ornaments etc. It's exterior looks as though it's been designed by a committee, who's only inspiration was a checklist of design features from several different manufacturers. I wonder if James Martin's shirt designers were from the same committee. Although, the shirts do seem much more appealing than the car styling. I might be in the market for one of his shirts. Just saying.
Nobody is buying a type r for any sort of "luxury" it's a great track car out the box with good street driving capabilities as well. The value will hold far better than any of the mentioned cars. You either love the look or hate it. At the end of the day, the type r drives like a beast.
Does this perspective work on the shirts he wears too ??
The maximum damper stiffness is certainly too much for the road but on a glass smooth racetrack it's probably just right. Perspective
+R mode is designed for a track, not a country road :) That's what Sport and Comfort mode are for.
@@madmage2676 Exactly
The new 2022 Civic has addressed the interior issues. Savagegeese was gushing with praise for its USA review of the new civic. Hopefully the new 2022 Type-R will live upto expectations.
Honda designers have been throwing out bad designs for the last decade. I love the performance of this thing but it looks not that good outside and kinda awful inside. I don’t understand how their touch interfaces are so bad, when companies with long histories of bad electronics like Chrysler group have smooth 60fps screens.
I really quite fancy one of these. Don't have the money though.
Europe did get the saloon, I have seen a few civic saloons running about here
All cars out of my budget but why wasn't the Focus ST or even RS mentioned as an alternative in with the Golf GTI and i30N and the Megane Sport???
James may love this car.
Maybe have a try of the new i30n?
So sad that it isnt available anymore 😩
the all new redesigned Civic is already out in the US & Canada , Type R is being tested on the Nurburgring as we speak
That wing & sharp edges are why I didn't buy one. I was invited down to Honda to have a sneak preview before it was put in the showroom. The tech was good but I just couldn't see myself in it, well I could but as a little 'tit'. Now a toned down version in styling, great! but now all the small bits you mention makes me think, that's what I like about your reviews. You get it all so thanks.
LOL, it's not that the market is strange 15:02, it's that all (worldwide) FK8 were produced in Swindon, UK, and that plant shut down (forever) at the end of July 2021.
Love your work. Small detail 28c is not 200f. 200f is about 93c so global warming has genuinely hit the UK. Great videos Jay.
It was a joke! :P But hey the Americans can still make fun of the British Standard Whitworth and British Standard Fine Whitworth bolt & thread system for older British cars and bikes... That system was way more eccentric than imperial SAE across flats system, even if neither is as logical as the French metric system.
The steering in type R mode is not like concrete unless you got very weak arms - no problem with engine response either in my opinion - I don’t think it’s useful to have it all blaring in -the aircon in my type R IS so powerful it nearly freezes the screen up at the bottom. The issues I have with this review is about the perspective if you drive the thing fast properly fast it delivers in spades and the problem is that it does it so easy with hardly any fuss - which takes some getting used to because it is a bit to quite - you have to tune into the car to realise how good it is and it carnt be evaluated in a simple way like this - the car is to fast for normal uk roads these days - it’s a great piece of engineering that can do many things from dropping the kids off to cruising and track days - the only issue is it’s a bit to quite you don’t realise how fast it’s going
All performance cars are stupid prices now. I sold my Yaris GRMN two months ago for £18k they are now listed at up to £23k with the same mileage. I30N when it came out dropped to about £21k almost immediately, the cheapest is now that price still today. Fiesta ST edition is nearly £30k. Unreal prices.
I like the design
The 11th generation version should be coming along soon so I guess they weren't going to put much money into this one at this point
2023, not that soon.
Next July we will have the new one..
You've gotta go the full mile and get the TYPE R GT with the big wing
yes its perfect and is not even seen from the inside
As an fk8 owner i do believe Honda could’ve done a better job on the interior and adding more features for the price point it’s being sold at in America.
the 11th gen is better balanced and I think designed in Japan. Its nicer on inside.
I think we're too spoiled nowadays. There are places in the world where just surviving the day is an achievement. And we are disappointed with the infotainment system. I don't know... Personally I've always driven a Honda. And if I compare an old Passat with corresponding Accord, WV looks just dull. In this segment also. I know what I like, and I'm obviously in minority, at least here in Europe.
Yep, very spoiled indeed! But don't forget that James is a motoring journalist, so it's his job to have ridiculous expectations and to find fault with things because he only has to live with most of the cars he drives for five hours or so. Details matter. If the sat-nav screen has lower resolution or slower response than his new (£1,500+?) mobile phone, it's a catastrophic deal-breaker.
There aren't any truly ghastly, undriveable cars for sale these days. Well, not outside the USA, at least [yes, yes, calm down, of course I'm kidding...] They all work well enough; most owners grow to like or at least tolerate their foibles, just as they'd get used to a spouse's funny little ways.
So... what else can a decent journo do but nit-pick?
After playing with £175,000 Porsches and Ferraris it's really, really, really important to point out how crappy a lesser car's infotainment system is in case poor people start to think that their nasty little vehicles are proper cars for proper people. That would never do; I mean, how would peeps know they were rich enough if auto-trash got ideas above its station?
So a car like this (rather pointless, overpriced, over-specced monstrosity) needs to have several conspicuous fails if the world order isn't to be upset. Hooray!
Remember all of Jeremy Clarkson's idiotic 'Cool Wall' garbage on Top Gear? Car ownership is all about status for some people, not getting around in relative comfort and doing practical things.
A driver's car used to be about driving, not cramming it with Merkin-style 'essentials'. No techno-crap, no cup holders, no air-con, no radio, no heated/ventilated seats, no parking sensors, no 'driver-assist' gubbins, no cameras.
If you're too hot, open the damn window, put your foot down, and stop whining. If the steering wheel's burning your poor little hands because it's not refrigerated, buy some manly driving gloves and drive.
Sigh. At least this thing has a manual gearbox. Automatics in Britain have always been viewed as expensive, clumsy, inefficient, inferior things for people with a disability. I hear that some countries still expect automatics as standard, though... 🤭
@@EleanorPeterson Thanks for the elaborate reply. You could be right about everything 👍
Love look of these cars.
I love this car
Great review. Gr Yaris is in my future hopefully. Stick with my fiesta st mk7 for now though jay 😉
I want it
The Charles Manson reference genuinely made me laugh out loud
Dude, the airco works perfect onnthese cars, cold IS really cold!
What you described was a failing unit!
Not if but when the airco compressor will fail.
Its a known failure by Honda.
Mine also ejected white particles from the vents.
I would've thought a experienced reviewer such as youself would identify such issues..
I've been driving decades and not heard of it, so seems unusual. Shame if it's failing already on this car, Hondas were known for reliability.
@@eze8970 There is a recall for it. Affects some Type R's, not all. But Honda has issued an extended warranty for the AC compressor. I think 7 or 10 years if I remember my letter correctly. (Has McLaren done similar? :)) And by the way, I would not expect someone outside the FK8 community (even a car reviewer) to know such a detail.
The FK8 has a know issue with AC mine was replaced after just 8,000 miles. Build quality is surprisingly poor with noise dash plastic and trim.
Wow! Such an interesting perspective and one that is rarely mentioned. Actually this is the only time the turbo lag has been mentioned, and after hearing about it, I can imagine that being an issue, especially considering that the gear box isn't up to the job. After watching this I am imagining a Type R with a quicker turbo and a bespoke/stronger gearbox with a toned down design and improved quality and infotainment system. Great review!
yes you are right but the lag just makes the engine last longer. You can program it out but then torque hits so hard and durability suffers. Honda makes it easy to not blow your engine up. You can just step on it.
That's not a retractable divider... It's a privacy screen for the luggage!!!
11:30 not sure JM. cant really tell from the video
superb review. Even the 19"wheels are stupid if you don't want to eat rims. Yes awesome handler but still not adult. Have had 3 Hondas and quite frankly the company does not "get it". Think it was commandeered by millennial.
Where are cars like my old 84 civic S? Or my 94 Accord Ex 5 speed manual wagon!