10x5 vs 10x8 prop for Minn Kota trolling motor
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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2023
- I ran the 10x5 and the 10x8 head to head to see which prop is better, since this is a variable trolling motor, I went by steps of 5 amps and recorded speed, below is a link to the 10x5 and 10x8 APC props, enjoy the video!!!
10X8 APC prop - www.apcprop.com/product/10x8m...
10X5 APC prop
www.apcprop.com/product/10x5m...
enduramax 55 motor - amzn.to/3PuhWCL
Intex mariner 4 boat set - amzn.to/3r6wtLD
Intex motor mount - amzn.to/44IBMhZ - Спорт
Excellent video (good quality video with excellent content). Thanks for testing the props and posting your results!
Thanks, that means a lot buddy, I thought my editing skills were pure crap...lol I hope it was helpful to you
I was looking a the props on the APC website and was wondering this exact thing. Thanks! Keep up the great content.
Thanks, no at all, hope it helped you out
thank you for posting this. I have been testing power requirements for my redneck barrel boat all summer and this is helpful. Especially because you link'd where you bought them.
A couple of key things I've learned this summer, the motor doesn't like a lower voltage for very long, it will get hot, and the motor control will get hot in just about any case unless you directly cool it if you are out more than a couple hours at a cruising speed of 3mph or more.
Also, if you are using marine batteries (lead), you need to have enough battery that it would run 10hrs at the rate you use it. So, way more capacity than you will use, but pulling power out faster than that heats up the battery and damages it. Lithium is not like that, but you must have a good bms that can handle high output for a long time if you use lithium. So, you may have to get a much bigger pack than you need in order to keep things cool.
My system is 24v trolling motor running on 4-6v flooded golf cart batteries (5kw/hr). I can only run it at 22 amps (500watts/hr) for 5 - 10 hrs (half the battery). Max amps is 45. if I go at more than 22a, something will get too hot to continue. Of course if I am only running for an hour or two, I can run at full power. The control will get very hot, but it will do it.
I will get some props and test them next year probably. Thx for giving me an idea of what I can expect.
I'm glad it helped!!! Yea I run a 150ah lithium battery, and I can run about 3.5 to 4 mph at about 15 amps on a calm day, low voltage does hurt motors, but lithium stays above 13 volts all the way until they are close to 0. I can do at least 3mph for 10 hours, and pulling 15 amps I don't fear anything getting hot or damaged.
nice! @@codyakfishing8856
Thank you for your videos I will be making some drill powered shaft driven hand propulsion things and this fits the bill quite nice.
I wonder how that would work, I didn't think of it, let me know how that goes for u???
These are awesome ! I need to try it on my 10’ Bass Raider
If you do be sure to let me know how they do!!!
Great experiment, great data, thank you! 10x8 is actually quite similar to the recommended propellers (11x8) for torqeedo 1003, which is their past generation slower spinning model rated at 1000w. Of course the blade shape and area ratio is different, but not drastically -- apc propellers are much closer to these entry-level electric outboard propellers than traditional trolling motor propellers. I'll probably try out 10x8 on my 86lb trolling motor (also drawing around 1000w with stock propeller), and see if it has enough torque for the higher pitch.
Sorry I'm late to this, I had no idea it was similar to the torqeedo, now that gives me an idea, maybe an 86lb thrust motor from Amazon along with the 10X8.... May get up to 6mph.... Hmmmmmm.
lol do it do it@@codyakfishing8856
I love your experiments. It would be cool if you attached a camera to the shaft so we could see it spinning.
Dang I wish I saw this sooner, I just got back from filming my budget electric outboard and didn't think of it!!! That's a great idea
No need to keep apologizing for being human.
Great videos man!
Thanks man, sorry this is late, it's been a very busy week
I have 24v 1200w(input) 110lb thrust motors used on my lightweight, wave piercing 13ft. long and 17ft. long catamarans. On the 17 footer, I max out at about 6 mph but hit 9 mph downwind with a current! I will experiment with APC props.
Good to hear!!! That gives me hope that I'm not just throwing money away!!!
Would like to see a 12x5 for comparison. Larger diameter turning a little slower might equal more thrust on less amperage. This is a very good video series. Thanks!
That may be a possibility very soon, APC is going to send me some to try out, I'm gunna make a series on it to compare all props they send me, as well as trying on on a 112 pound thrust motor that's attached to a 28' pontoon boat!!!
@@codyakfishing8856 I bought a 240 lb thrust 24 volt...it didn't speed up my 10ft jon any faster than 12v 46lb thrust...what gives? 5x the pound thrust and didn't add a single mph 😢 I returned the stupid thing.
@@rittzbyitch3682 240lb thrust???
@@rittzbyitch3682the thrust is rated at 0 mph. It doesn't represent a top speed.
Most trolling motors have about the same top speed regardless of thrust from what I have found. Changing the prop pitch is worth a shot
For giggles a 3d printed toroidial prop would be interesting.
If I had a 3d printer I'd totally do it
A couple years ago, I measured thrust and amps using a static setup in my pool with a minkota 30 lb trolling motor.
I got the best thrust to Amps efficiency ratio with a 9-6 APC prop.
Nice, that's good to know..... Did u have to modify the prop to fit on the motor at all??
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I just had to add a slot for the drive pin.
I just dug up the data and I was wrong about the 9-6. I didn't test a 9-6. I stuck with various props with a 4" pitch which I researched as being the pitch of the stock prop.
The best performance was actually with a 9-4 APC and it provided the same 17 lbs thrust as the stock prop (yes the 30 lbs rating is a lie), but that same thrust was achieved at 21.7 amps versus 27.8 amps for the stock prop.
Although I never did comparison measurements in the water, the 9-4 feels faster despite having the same static thrust which I suspect is because less current means more RPM. More RPM for the same pitch equates to a higher pitch speed.
That sounds about right, I definitely gained speed with the 10x5 over the stock prop, and the 10X5 is made specifically for the trolling motor, thicker blades, and a recess for the shear pin.
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I did manage more thrust with larger props, but the 9-4 was the best combination of efficiency and thrust. The highest thrust was with an 11-4 APC at 21 lbs, but the current was too high at 32 amps. The highest efficiency was a 7-4 prop with 13 lbs at 15.7 amps.
Nice, I gained tons of efficiency with the 10x5, I thought about going for that new Newport electric outboard but top speed is about 6mph, that's at 36v and 35amps, not to mention with a battery it's about $2000, I just don't see the need to spend that much for an extra 1.5mph...lol my setup now goes about 6 hours at top speed of 4.5mph if I move to the front of the boat.....
Thanks for the video! 10x5 it is!
Hey Codyakfishing , thank you for the review of the 10x8 prop!!! According to your findings with the 10x8 prop and the 55 trolling motor, it didn't do as well as I thought it was going to. However... with a little bit of math and the previous findings with the c30 Endura which is what I'm running the 10x8 on the smaller/slower motor should move more water and only draw within 1-3 amps more difference. It actually may do quite well on the upper end of the motor (speeds 3-5). The pitch of the 10x8 is much greater than the 10x5 and I don't think cavitation will be an issue due to the slower speed/power of the c2. Thanks again boss man, your information is GREATLY appreciated!!! I will keep my eye out for more of your boating and motor wisdom! Oh I had one more question...I was looking to purchase a handful of shear pins and I was wondering if they are all the same size? Is there a certain part # I should be looking for? Thanks again brother!
For apc and tonhatsu 2-3.5 hp propellers, I'm using 3mm x 25mm, or 1/8 x 1" pins.
I'm not sure of the size.of.shear pins, I do believe form 30-55 they are the same, I'd like to purchase quiet a few as well,.I have 2 for now.
@@helloterran I thank you very much for the info sir!
Looking at these newer results, I'm positive that 9X6 will give you better speed @ lower amp.
I'm gunna have to try one soon
was wondering if you had any thought on one of these apc props fitting on a newport vessel 55lb trolling motor? I believe the shaft is the same size 3/8. Goal is to extend run time on my 100ah lipo battery.
As far as my testing went, i believe the Newport 55 will benefit close to the same as the Minn Kota 55 enduramax, best prop you could use is the 10X5m-LH
I have a Newport Vessels 62lb 12v trolling motor. To my knowledge its the largest trolling motor that runs on 12v. I wonder which prop would be best for that. My guess is the 10x8 is probably still too big. I still need that thrust to go against the current.
I believe you are right!! I'm going to test the 10X8 on an 86lb soon, maybe in a few weeks, I'd say the 10X5 for sure, I'm also going to perform a test where I hook a scale to a doc then a boat, and measure how many pounds of force each prop puts out, stock VS 10X5....
Codyakfishing, thanks for the videos. I went and bought 10x5s on your recommendation. I would love a video about your battery: how does it compare to a lead acid on price, performance, durability? Where do you get it? How do you charge it? Other things a guy might want to know.
You got it buddy, when I shoot the next video, I'll be sure to go over it for u....
I just looked at my APC RC airplane props to see if I could use them but it looks like yours are pusher pitch props & my plane props are tractor.
I wonder if I hooked the battery up in reverse would it work as the motor would spin in reverse theoretically or would I fry something?
I have t tried hooking it up in reverse polarity... I'm not sure if it would damage your motor or not, I would t advise ir
Are there pitch less like 10x3 or 10x2 you can find and possibly test? Seems the smaller number pitch the better performance?
It all depends on the boat, smaller pitch will mean a little less speed
Also, it depends on the motor as well, the 10X8 is too much pitch for the 55 to push, you want to start small and pitch up until I start reaching more amps without more of a top speed, on its way now is a 24v 86lb motor, it shouldn't have any issues turning that 10X8, this creating more top speed
I wonder if this would work on my peddle drive. I’d have to trim it down a little though
Good question.... I just got a pedal drive yak a couple weeks ago, I'm gunna have to try it
Great experiment, thank you!!!!
Do you think it won't be big 10x6 for 55 trolling motor ? Or perfect 10x5 for motor 30lb and 55lb ?
As of now, I believe the 10X5m-LH is perfect for a 55. As for a 30 I'd say a 9X5ish (haven't tested yet) but the 10X5m-LH works for the 30 as well, only with the 30 your 1st speed is higher than 2mph (a little fast for a slow trolling presentation). If you have a pwm installed on the 30 that takes that issue away
Hi, what you can recommend for 42 lb minn kota?
It would be interesting to see the performance on a canoe or small flatbottom jon boat
U and me both, wish I had a kayak or canoe that was trolling motor compatible, but if it did this good on the inflatable boat, it has to do great on. Jon boat or a kayak
Great videos! I love seeing this type of testing. You should compare these apc props to the aftermarket kipawa propellers that are designed for trolling motors
That's a great idea, I'll have to do that soon thanks!!!
I have the Kipawa props. They're like traditional trolling motor props, with very wide blades. They're very well made (tough) and will move the boat a bit more quickly, but also use more power.
Great video! To me, this begs the question: What happens with the 10x8 on a 24v or 36v system? Really feel like we're on the cusp of some silent and powerful electric motors in the next few years.
Thanks rootwad!! Yea I believe so, I have a video where I did put the 10x8 on a 82lb 24v motor and it didn't do as good as I think it should... I got 5mph using 45amps, considering I can get 4.5mph with the 10x5 on my 55lb it's not worth stepping up
You have to match the prop to the boat. That motor, battery and 10x8 on a nice canoe would hit close to 6mph or higher. the 10x8 is a great cruise prop where you could draw 10 amps and run all nice and slow like a trawler.
I agree with you 100%, seems the 10X8 is a bit much for this particular boat, I may have a plan to use the 10X8 on a 24v 86lb motor to see if it would achieve the same speed as an epropultion/nt300
@@codyakfishing8856 I use APC in my RC planes and you can do a lot to them to get what you're looking for if one is a bit much. You can the diameter down some or narrow the blade some. order some and play around with them. You can even heat them up and change the pitch some but you need a pitch gauge to do this.
@@airraptor I'll keep that in mind, I have ordered a 24v trolling motor, it will be in sometime next week, I'm gunna try the 10x8 with it, if not APC agreed to have me review and test many of their props for marine applications
This information is Great ! The 19X8 prop draws WAY too much "juice" compared to the less-pitch propeller. Just think: Go 3 times as far at the same speed with one prop, than the other...!
Thanks again for this information (Gonna tell my Friends to check out your site, as they've already "Cleaned me OUT" of my 10 inch props I use on R/C Airplanes!). Lol...
Awesome man, to be honest I don't make nor own these props, I just found them online and decided to give them a try, I'm glad I did
Does demonstrate the limitations of the boat, you're just bleeding power for not much speed past 3.6mph.
Correct, I believe that's what they call the hull speed of the boat
Anybody run these on a Newport vessel?
Do one with the 10x6...I wonder how it would work
I will as soon as I can! I'm curious too
Nice video man!
What would u suggest with 30lb troller and 14ft jon?
And for a gheenoe with 30lb troller?
Honestly id say the 10X5, it was very similar to the 10X4 on the 30lb Minn Kota, that and it won't have the chance to have the sheer pin fall out... Just make sure to keep an eye on the current being drawn
@@codyakfishing8856 great quick reply! Already subbed!
@@SaltWaterBassTv thanks man, I hope you enjoy the content, I'd like to have a set schedule to release vids but working 60 hours a week plus full time dad and husband it's a little tough, so I apologize for gaps in vids, make sure to let me know what you'd like to see.... I'm always open to suggestions
What app is that you are using?
It's called navionics, as you probably saw, it can record speed in mph, kph, and knots, a long with topo maps of common. Lakes
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Sir.I have a 55 lb electric motor and i want to upgrade the propeller for more speed .In 5 scale in calm sea the speed is 4.3 knots.The motor is haswing osapian 55 lb. I now nothing about the market in USA I want your help to solve this mater.Thank You so match.
If it's the 55lb thrust go with the 10mX5-LH prop from APC.com, that should be the best one for u
what app are you using for the gps speed?
Navionics, there is a one time fee of 10$ but it's worth it!!!
thanks man!! I just put in a big order for a bunch of different prop sizes to test on my 10 foot aluminum jon boat. right now im getting 3.5mph on a 55lb motor. also going to try cutting props down in length slowly and test amp and speeds.@@codyakfishing8856
What type you are recommendered for minn kota enduro max45 ?
For the enduramax 45 I'd recommend the 10X5, sorry I got to you late I work graveyards and just woke up....lol
@@codyakfishing8856 great, thanks.
@markojaara973 np, hope it works for you, the 10X5 link is in the description, also, be sure to get some 3/8 (I believe) stainless steel washers, you will need them to attach the prop
The phones gps Is interference from the battery.
That goes to show how much I know about electronics...lmao thanks for the tip I'm gunna make some changes!!!
This guy probably has refrigerator magnets on his computer
And I preheat my laptop in the microwave
Lets go codyak!
Heck yea, I wish I can get out and do a vid, I'm working 5 12's at the moment and still have to juggle family time, I'm gunna get out there soon
@codyakfishing8856 I understand I want to fish but it's cold and windy here in florida so boat makeovers it is!
@@SaltWaterBassTv that's always fun, I may have time to test 6 different props but it won't be for another two weeks, I may record a fishing vid this coming Monday, my father and I have plans to go out so long as the weather cooperates
@@codyakfishing8856 so when I upgrade .y prop expect to draw more power and make.more heat? Ill.go faster but drain the battery quicker?
@@SaltWaterBassTv i forgot what motor u have, on my 55 I dropped 10 amps and gained .8mph, so less heat and extended range
Delete that gps app
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Electrical stats for small motors with different props!!