Well there’s a lot more to it than that.. sway bars can actually decrease the maximum cornering force, trading maximum grip for predictable loss of grip.. which can be more important.
Well you've got the yamaha Celica so it's not as good as the older 1.8 Celica that had the glass headlights instead of plastic and the front looked better with them too compared to the plastic headlights Celica tbh
For those who drive a FWD car, and actually take it to the limits on mountain roads, you need both for maximum handling performance. I only got the rear sway bar because people all over say it’s better just getting a rear, however, I notice that on less sharper turns and on roads with less turns that this is mainly true, however, there are also roads that have turn after turn after turn, and they are quite sharp. The upgraded rear sway bar does only half of what my car can potentially do. Getting a front sway bar on the FWD car took it to the next level. I noticed easier and longer ability to rotate around the corner without a hassle, while with only and upgraded rear, i would understeer way too much try to flee or keep up with other cars. Get both sway bars for the mountains!
@@vellusk@vellusk pretty sure that the new fl5 have already a good handling. Sway bars will make it even better. But please love your car and not pushing it to its limits.
Modifying the sway bar is a good move to improve the performance and safety of the car. Many owners can achieve the effect they want by changing the rear sway bar, but for racing cars or more demanding modifications, changing the front and back sway bars together will also bring a great surprise
I have a thicker rear sway on my under steering Celica. I been telling folk to do this for a while. And hard suspension springs. Softer settings at the back harder at the front. Like 90/80% f/r also almost max tiring rating psi in the tires. Not over inflated. Just hard setting. Drop the psi at the front for more corner grip. Harder for more accel n top speed. These are my experiment settings for FWD cars. Works for me. Would take advice for any other settings. I just play with numbers and feel out my vehicle response.
Went from 22mm front to 24mm front and no rear bar to having one and made a serious improvement on corner rotation on my 2010 Vauxhall Astra VXR it's the most important mod to do on them and reduce that front end understeer
Hi i wanna ask for help will it help to make one for a corsa b 1997 bec the car sits on a corner but same time slips every thing is stander but the engen is the 2L 8b seh moter
In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@@imadude85 In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@@waynebooysen1426 In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
I never understood roll bars before, always thought bigger was better, but heard (on a Fiero forum) that going to a smaller bar can improve handling. Now I know why.
I used to own a 8th gen Civic Si sedan with tein coilovers. While competing in autocross it was incredibly difficult to get the car to rotate with the stock rear roll bar, so I installed the eibach rear roll bar. I noticed that the car rotated better but at the same time it was more difficult to balance the car on the edge of grip through faster corners. It ultimately helped my time but it was definitely a more loose setup than before.
I made a front strut bar out of a dismantled shed after I put coils in my NB, made a hell of a difference. Logged data from a physics app in my phone, G forces around corners went from 0.8 to 1.3G afterwards, that's with semi slicks as well. Best use of scrap metal ever. Nice car bro.
Say less I didn't know it went into such detail thanks for helping with the drift configs 🎉🎉 took me 3 years to figure it out and you explained it the way I needed to hear it
@@yerpster not a shabby little car. If you add to a set of decent coilovers and a stiffening bar on both front shock towers and the rear. You'll be tripoding all day, Mk1 style.
@@autodrivennam lol I use to drive my 98 grand caravan on 3 wheels all the time XD that poor minivan saw more abuse than any vehicle should it was my first vehicle and it only lasted 10 months
Yup, Our (HalferLand Performance) 550whp 06' Accord had major understeer. Add a Acura TL Type S 20mm rear sway and now it handles like a dream with an actual hint of oversteer, just enough to get the rear to rotate and point the front...plus we run 245's squared all around
I have been looking to upgrade the anti roll bars in my Volvo for a long time now. Hard suspension, but still too much body roll. Now I know a basic outline of what to look out for! Thank you very much!
I actually swapped to a smaller front bar on my Outback. It gave me a bit more body roll, but it also felt more stable in long corners, like a highway off-ramp. It's not the optimal setup for racing, but for a pure daily, it was perfect.
Thank you for explaining this sway bar stuff. You explained the heart of the matter instead of going through the bullshit of like, comment and subscribe. Thank you
I predominantly work on B8/8.5 Audi's. One of the best mods I can recommend is an upgraded rear sway bar. Huge improvement for the understeer tendencies.
In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@Vigilante It's to add more oversteer characteristics. The front roll isn't too bad, but the rear is pretty soft from factory. The B8/8.5's are awd with rwd bias. They are pretty front heavy, though, so they benefit from the stiffer rear end.
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
...now I got it why my RC buggy which has a thick swaybar at the rear has TOO MUCH front grip that it allows the car to do a traction roll! Thank you! Been looking for this answer for days and can't believe I found it here :O
@@michaelgallacher4800 so the final answer for this: yes, softer roll bar did helped a little, but needed stiffer springs on the front. Now all good, nice balance and first race is around the corner :) Hyped!
I have a stiffer sway bar on my Q50. The body roll on the back end was horrific, and led to understeer in a lot of cases. The stiffer bar corrected all that.
I ended up needing thicker bars front and rear. Front because even with Eibach Pro Kit springs on Koni Yellows turned all the way stiff the body roll was enough to bottom out the outside front tire and push cornering camber so hard positive I was pretty much just riding the outside shoulder lugs while 2/3rds of the tire was doing nothing, even though I was running as much front camber as I could; I was fine on moderate turns but plowing and hopping in hard turns before the stiffer front sway bar, now it's fixed. Stiffer rear sway bar was to balance out the understeer from the stiffer front sway bar in moderate turns. I wish the rear bar could have been matched to the Eibach front bar, but Eibach don't make a rear for my 3rd Gen Mazda 3 and Corksport don't make a front bar. Not ideal for balance to mix sway bar brands, but it was the only solution I could find at the time.
We took our swaybar out of our 2015 MDX Acura. The ride in the back was so stiff. I couldn’t stand it now. It’s like I’m riding on a cloud. I don’t need it. It works. Took me four years to figure it out.
Yes and no it depends a lot on time speed weight acceleration deceleration whether you're transferring from a chicane or in a long swooping Corner versus an immediate 90°. There are so many variables it depends on the track that's why we have adjustable sway bars. 😉 the Pinnacle of all sway bars is the in Cabin adjustable sway bar so nice but illegal on a lot of circuits
this is why i liked upgrading my miata progressively. i took it to autoX a couple times in stock-ish form on normal 500 tread wears and now she’s on öhlins, 17x10’s, fat wing, fat sway bars. suffered hard from understeer with no camber
Proceeds to apply exact same knowledge into force a horizon 5.. complete and utter tuning success with the vast majority of the cars I like to drive in the game. Thank you LOL
@@denisnovacek8428 stiffer is not always better, a softer setup will allow for more weight transfer to happen and therefor will be more predictable to control
But it depends on the phase of the turn. Softer front gives more grip under braking, but softer rear gives you more grip under acceleration. You want soft front, stiff rear under braking, stiff front, soft rear under acceleration.
I don't know i'm pretty sure i can spin out in a roundabout whitout even trying but rain yes rain is a shit also a slight camber adjustment goes a long way
A stiffer one also doesn't allow the suspension to articulate like it should, so bumps beat the crap out of the tires and framing. Consider your bound and spring rates, and the track conditions.
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
So with rc cars, same concept applies, exept I will throw different away bars on for different surfaces. Carpet has more grip so stiffen the back so it will rotate, it's incredible how much it will change with a very small adjustment
2010 accord crosstour, replacing the 12mm rear sway bar with a 20mm acura tl sh-awd sway bar is a well documented and easy mod, with great returns, shame the sway bar itself went from like 80$ 10 years ago to around 130-150$ today
Back when I was 18 I, like many young folks believed that the stiffer the suspension, the better it was. I put together a car with a lot of expensive parts. It rode absolutely awful and handled like absolute trash on the road. It was so stiff that small bumps would upset it. The only time it handled good was on a smooth parking lot at an auto-x. The best upgrade for handling, hands down is tires and a ton of seat time.
So I have a 2017 sti... Though I haven't pushed it to its limits, I know they're prone to understeer. So would my vehicle benefit with a rear sway bar?
😂😂😂 When I still had my KA-T S13, use to tell people this all the time. More so on the forums, when builds are people posting all the suspension parts they can on a mild HP build. Even with friends, they had issues trying to keep up. Suspension wise all I had on the car was D2's with 18k front and 16k rear springs. (Bought them used), and megan front tension rods. Literally could throw that car around every turn and it was consistent. Where all the other parts I had, sat in the closet, until the day I sold the car to a friend, who ended up selling the driveline to another friend. Where the shell was sold to a different friend, that ended up selling it to one of his friends. Last I heard, the car was being thrown around Englishtown. No idea what they have done to it now.
We need more car content that actually explains shit like this not just. UWU POGGERS IMMA PUT DIS HERE CHASSIS MOUNT WANG ON MY QUAD TURBO LAMBORGHINI RAVIOLI.
In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
Suspension is engineered, not just thrown together. Too many people just think you can throw the best stuff on a car and it will instantly work. Often you get better results matching your suspension to your skill level on road tires, than trying to drive a car that is tuned beyond your level of trust in track tires.
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
Of course me watching this video and thinking “My 6 speed Celica gts has ridiculous under steer and body roll” THEN THE VIDEO CUTS TO MY CAR UNDERSTEERING LOL!
How do stock swaybars cope with cars that are 400lbs lighter than factory, do I still need an upgraded one, or is the factory swaybar sufficient because it has to do less work?
Honestly I’ve been thinking about doing a bigger rear sway bar on my Volvo S60R because these things handle too lightly for their weight. The steering feels like a Miata but I’m driving a 3700lb brick
Bro i think you mixed them up at the end. A stiffer rear makes the weight transfer less at the rear, thus more at the front. Thus more front grip? You said yourself at the beginning that stiffer is less grip
Are you referring to lateral weight transfer or longitudinal? And why is that? I imagine it is more instant but not more than when the suspension is settled.
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
Doesn't this only apply to the balance of the car though? The example is true of course, but isn't it also true that stiffening both the front and rear will increase overall grip because there will be less body roll, so less weight transfer, so the grip is more evenly distributed across the tires?
So it depends on the car, but if a car needs grip up front would that mean only having a thicker sway bar at the rear would be better than having both? Or am i missing something
For m'y MR2 for example : the weight transfer is too sudden and is causing the rear axle to lose grip, creating lift off oversteer. Then when you correct it it snaps back harder in the opposite direction (famous snap oversteer) Which swap bar should I stiffen to reduce this phenomenon?
Let me get this straight, if my car has understeer, I want a stiffer bar in the rear, and if I over steer I should use a less stiff bar in the rear? And if the back feels loose, I should use a lighter bar up front?
What he's saying is, if you want more grip to the front wheels, which you're steering with, stiffening the rear bar can help that, but you'll also lose a proportional amount of grip in the rear.
finally someone on UA-cam acknowledges basic vehicle dynamics instead of saying "big bar make car corner better"
Well there’s a lot more to it than that.. sway bars can actually decrease the maximum cornering force, trading maximum grip for predictable loss of grip.. which can be more important.
Exactly. There is so much at play. The bars are just part of it.
He still explained it wrong
@@lang1031 Ok explain bud
Shhh. Just, sshh. Mr mechanic man that only has any type of knowledge from watching UA-cam about his American Miata
Bro really roasted my celica
Same here man 🥲
Same, except mine is oversteer as I've Fish tailed my gen 3 a few times
I wanna cry 😭
Well you've got the yamaha Celica so it's not as good as the older 1.8 Celica that had the glass headlights instead of plastic and the front looked better with them too compared to the plastic headlights Celica tbh
Facts bro
For those who drive a FWD car, and actually take it to the limits on mountain roads, you need both for maximum handling performance. I only got the rear sway bar because people all over say it’s better just getting a rear, however, I notice that on less sharper turns and on roads with less turns that this is mainly true, however, there are also roads that have turn after turn after turn, and they are quite sharp. The upgraded rear sway bar does only half of what my car can potentially do. Getting a front sway bar on the FWD car took it to the next level. I noticed easier and longer ability to rotate around the corner without a hassle, while with only and upgraded rear, i would understeer way too much try to flee or keep up with other cars. Get both sway bars for the mountains!
does this apply to all FWD? I have an type r fl5 and its the first fwd car i've owned and I dont know much. Would appreciate any advice!
@@vellusk@vellusk pretty sure that the new fl5 have already a good handling. Sway bars will make it even better. But please love your car and not pushing it to its limits.
Modifying the sway bar is a good move to improve the performance and safety of the car. Many owners can achieve the effect they want by changing the rear sway bar, but for racing cars or more demanding modifications, changing the front and back sway bars together will also bring a great surprise
Mine just came in, will be testing this soon
@@yboy898 the fl5 was made to be pushed to the limits😏 don’t know if you’ve ever raced in a honda but they love to be pushed
I was recommended your channel, sick miata bro, i dont see much NBs around UA-cam these days
They're all over the place!
I see them clapped out everywhere
cuz they all ugly unless u like lady bug lookin ass carsc lol
Cause NBs are lame NA POP UP HEADLIGHTS OR NOTHING 😤😂
My peripheral vision fooled my into believing that there's a supra behind you.
I have a thicker rear sway on my under steering Celica. I been telling folk to do this for a while. And hard suspension springs. Softer settings at the back harder at the front. Like 90/80% f/r also almost max tiring rating psi in the tires. Not over inflated. Just hard setting. Drop the psi at the front for more corner grip. Harder for more accel n top speed. These are my experiment settings for FWD cars. Works for me. Would take advice for any other settings. I just play with numbers and feel out my vehicle response.
Went from 22mm front to 24mm front and no rear bar to having one and made a serious improvement on corner rotation on my 2010 Vauxhall Astra VXR it's the most important mod to do on them and reduce that front end understeer
Hi i wanna ask for help will it help to make one for a corsa b 1997 bec the car sits on a corner but same time slips every thing is stander but the engen is the 2L 8b seh moter
I thought bigger front bar causes more understeer?
In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@@imadude85 In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@@waynebooysen1426 In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
I never understood roll bars before, always thought bigger was better, but heard (on a Fiero forum) that going to a smaller bar can improve handling. Now I know why.
I used to own a 8th gen Civic Si sedan with tein coilovers. While competing in autocross it was incredibly difficult to get the car to rotate with the stock rear roll bar, so I installed the eibach rear roll bar. I noticed that the car rotated better but at the same time it was more difficult to balance the car on the edge of grip through faster corners. It ultimately helped my time but it was definitely a more loose setup than before.
try softer up front , car should rotate even better but you might have to learn how to control liftoff oversteer,
I made a front strut bar out of a dismantled shed after I put coils in my NB, made a hell of a difference. Logged data from a physics app in my phone, G forces around corners went from 0.8 to 1.3G afterwards, that's with semi slicks as well. Best use of scrap metal ever. Nice car bro.
Say less I didn't know it went into such detail thanks for helping with the drift configs 🎉🎉 took me 3 years to figure it out and you explained it the way I needed to hear it
One of the only things I’ve done to my golf 😂
Which Mark?
@@autodrivennam mk6
@@yerpster not a shabby little car. If you add to a set of decent coilovers and a stiffening bar on both front shock towers and the rear. You'll be tripoding all day, Mk1 style.
@@autodrivennam lol I use to drive my 98 grand caravan on 3 wheels all the time XD that poor minivan saw more abuse than any vehicle should it was my first vehicle and it only lasted 10 months
@@yerpster at the rear or front?
Yup, Our (HalferLand Performance) 550whp 06' Accord had major understeer. Add a Acura TL Type S 20mm rear sway and now it handles like a dream with an actual hint of oversteer, just enough to get the rear to rotate and point the front...plus we run 245's squared all around
I have been looking to upgrade the anti roll bars in my Volvo for a long time now.
Hard suspension, but still too much body roll. Now I know a basic outline of what to look out for!
Thank you very much!
I actually swapped to a smaller front bar on my Outback. It gave me a bit more body roll, but it also felt more stable in long corners, like a highway off-ramp. It's not the optimal setup for racing, but for a pure daily, it was perfect.
Are we not talking about the man on top of the car on a surfboard
I was tryna make sure i saw that right
@@eugenemccary4748 hahahah
I was looking for this comment lol
I'm pretty sure it's a mannequin but i'm not gonna dispute it, i'd be glorious to have a naked guy on a surf board on the roof of a cup car mid race.
Bro it's the 24 hours of LeMons what did you expect lmao
Love the celica clip
The tires says 'Kumho'
My brain: giggles
round black says pirelli.
Kuhmo makes great tires
Thank you for explaining this sway bar stuff. You explained the heart of the matter instead of going through the bullshit of like, comment and subscribe. Thank you
I predominantly work on B8/8.5 Audi's. One of the best mods I can recommend is an upgraded rear sway bar. Huge improvement for the understeer tendencies.
In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
@Vigilante It's to add more oversteer characteristics. The front roll isn't too bad, but the rear is pretty soft from factory. The B8/8.5's are awd with rwd bias. They are pretty front heavy, though, so they benefit from the stiffer rear end.
Excellent! I always tell my friends you don’t need both sway bars. Normally you just buy what’s intended to make the car rotate around corners more.
Correct and well put. Roll stiffness front Vs rear is the key to balancing over/understeer.
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
...now I got it why my RC buggy which has a thick swaybar at the rear has TOO MUCH front grip that it allows the car to do a traction roll!
Thank you! Been looking for this answer for days and can't believe I found it here :O
Did it work for your buggy dude ??
@@michaelgallacher4800 so the final answer for this: yes, softer roll bar did helped a little, but needed stiffer springs on the front. Now all good, nice balance and first race is around the corner :)
Hyped!
I have a stiffer sway bar on my Q50. The body roll on the back end was horrific, and led to understeer in a lot of cases. The stiffer bar corrected all that.
Bro I love those wheels on your Miata
Thanks!
I ended up needing thicker bars front and rear. Front because even with Eibach Pro Kit springs on Koni Yellows turned all the way stiff the body roll was enough to bottom out the outside front tire and push cornering camber so hard positive I was pretty much just riding the outside shoulder lugs while 2/3rds of the tire was doing nothing, even though I was running as much front camber as I could; I was fine on moderate turns but plowing and hopping in hard turns before the stiffer front sway bar, now it's fixed.
Stiffer rear sway bar was to balance out the understeer from the stiffer front sway bar in moderate turns. I wish the rear bar could have been matched to the Eibach front bar, but Eibach don't make a rear for my 3rd Gen Mazda 3 and Corksport don't make a front bar. Not ideal for balance to mix sway bar brands, but it was the only solution I could find at the time.
Thank you. I’m going to use this knowledge for setups in iRacing
Most of Fwd cars don't have Rear Sway Bar
But i would luv to install one on my car 😍
A really beefy rear swaybar and no front swaybar is ideal for drift set up as it encourages the rear end to kick out
That white Subi is beautiful with the widebody.
My 1947, forty HP, Vauxhall j, had sway bar rear and independent front with hydraulic shocks all round.
We took our swaybar out of our 2015 MDX Acura. The ride in the back was so stiff. I couldn’t stand it now. It’s like I’m riding on a cloud. I don’t need it. It works. Took me four years to figure it out.
This is the cleanest explanation I've heard
Thank you
You genuinely just taught me something. Thanks
Yes and no it depends a lot on time speed weight acceleration deceleration whether you're transferring from a chicane or in a long swooping Corner versus an immediate 90°. There are so many variables it depends on the track that's why we have adjustable sway bars. 😉 the Pinnacle of all sway bars is the in Cabin adjustable sway bar so nice but illegal on a lot of circuits
That was an excellent explanation.
Thanks!
finally someone telling the truth versus the "known rule"
It’s about time a gts shows up on UA-cam now me and my celica feel happy with in
My 8th gen coupe has a stiffer sway bar, it makes the back wheels slide when taking corners, it's awesome
this is why i liked upgrading my miata progressively. i took it to autoX a couple times in stock-ish form on normal 500 tread wears and now she’s on öhlins, 17x10’s, fat wing, fat sway bars. suffered hard from understeer with no camber
Thanks now I know how to adjust my sway bars in Forza😂
Maybe on Motorsport but if youre on horizon just set front to 0 and rear to max
maybe I'm just shit at tuning but in forza horizon I usually always set the front higher and it works better
Proceeds to apply exact same knowledge into force a horizon 5.. complete and utter tuning success with the vast majority of the cars I like to drive in the game. Thank you LOL
for auto x on fwd cars I used to run no front and big ass rear sway bar.
Thank you! Been trying to tell my girl for years that thickness isn’t everything!
My rx7 swaybar is great on a road track, but when I want to go drifting, I disconnect it.
What’s your setup, I was thinking about getting a sway bar for my fc
but stiffer suspension is better for drifting, why would you disconnect it?
@@denisnovacek8428 we're literally in the comments of a video about how a sway bar affects more than just the wheels it's connected to.
@@denisnovacek8428 disconnecting front sway bar I think he means
@@denisnovacek8428 stiffer is not always better, a softer setup will allow for more weight transfer to happen and therefor will be more predictable to control
But it depends on the phase of the turn. Softer front gives more grip under braking, but softer rear gives you more grip under acceleration. You want soft front, stiff rear under braking, stiff front, soft rear under acceleration.
Nice bug eye, These deserve more love.
That's a Hawkeye...
@@nixter1618 Though they were headlights...
@@JenGM24 if you are referring to the white wrx or sti, then that is an 06-07 hawkeye. Bugeye had the round headlights hence the bug eye.
wow thats gave me a new side to look
There is a perfect bar for every car!
Celica one of the mose underrated cars of the 2000s
True facts
I don't know i'm pretty sure i can spin out in a roundabout whitout even trying but rain yes rain is a shit also a slight camber adjustment goes a long way
A stiffer one also doesn't allow the suspension to articulate like it should, so bumps beat the crap out of the tires and framing. Consider your bound and spring rates, and the track conditions.
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
can confirm, a stiffer front bar really helped the handling in my truck
So with rc cars, same concept applies, exept I will throw different away bars on for different surfaces. Carpet has more grip so stiffen the back so it will rotate, it's incredible how much it will change with a very small adjustment
2010 accord crosstour, replacing the 12mm rear sway bar with a 20mm acura tl sh-awd sway bar is a well documented and easy mod, with great returns, shame the sway bar itself went from like 80$ 10 years ago to around 130-150$ today
Oh hey its this short again
My all original 1966 plymouth Fury With a slant 6, sounding nice rn now
just has my dream car behind him in the color I love
Awsome explanation
Also depends on spring rate
Thank you, that was actually very insightful 👏
Back when I was 18 I, like many young folks believed that the stiffer the suspension, the better it was. I put together a car with a lot of expensive parts. It rode absolutely awful and handled like absolute trash on the road. It was so stiff that small bumps would upset it. The only time it handled good was on a smooth parking lot at an auto-x.
The best upgrade for handling, hands down is tires and a ton of seat time.
Which makes it even more ironic that he's running Kumho tires on his demonstration vehicle.
Thanks for this topic!!!
thanks now i know that i do not need to change, though perhaps a rear may benefit me
Damn that subaru is cleaaan❤️🔥
So I have a 2017 sti... Though I haven't pushed it to its limits, I know they're prone to understeer. So would my vehicle benefit with a rear sway bar?
Yes. Stiffer rear sway bar does wonders in a Subaru. Have you tried it yet?
This is so cool, like an American HPA but it’s just one dude who went to school and probably got ase’s and is doing very well for someone their age
😂😂😂 When I still had my KA-T S13, use to tell people this all the time. More so on the forums, when builds are people posting all the suspension parts they can on a mild HP build. Even with friends, they had issues trying to keep up. Suspension wise all I had on the car was D2's with 18k front and 16k rear springs. (Bought them used), and megan front tension rods. Literally could throw that car around every turn and it was consistent. Where all the other parts I had, sat in the closet, until the day I sold the car to a friend, who ended up selling the driveline to another friend. Where the shell was sold to a different friend, that ended up selling it to one of his friends. Last I heard, the car was being thrown around Englishtown. No idea what they have done to it now.
Aye thank you. Now I properly under sway bars!
Well spoken great vid. 📡👽🇺🇸 RUN!!!
We need more car content that actually explains shit like this not just. UWU POGGERS IMMA PUT DIS HERE CHASSIS MOUNT WANG ON MY QUAD TURBO LAMBORGHINI RAVIOLI.
I usually like the rear sway bar stronger than the front. 👍🏽
Good explanation!
Slight adjustment, you can’t change weight transfer, only weight transfer distribution but yes this makes sense!
Great vid thanks mate
I dont know but my late model bmw has active sway bars and i can take hairpin turns on mountain roads at over 65mph but only on dry roads in summer.
Cool both sway bars for both rear and upfront for an awd subie
In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
Suspension is engineered, not just thrown together. Too many people just think you can throw the best stuff on a car and it will instantly work. Often you get better results matching your suspension to your skill level on road tires, than trying to drive a car that is tuned beyond your level of trust in track tires.
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Thanks for the info
This is 100% true
Very well said
It all depends on whether you're replacing the front sway bar or the rear sway bar depending on your car... facts
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
What about a big truck 07 Aspen?
back in the day we would remove them from the rear on evo 8/9’s world of difference
Interesting. Thank you 👍👍
So what actually is the better option? Stiffer springs and dampers?
Ooh subscribing. This the info
I need fr
Of course me watching this video and thinking “My 6 speed Celica gts has ridiculous under steer and body roll” THEN THE VIDEO CUTS TO MY CAR UNDERSTEERING LOL!
THANK YOU
You mentioned weight transfer, I thought about my 7th gen celica and lo and behold footage of 7th Gen celica xd
How do stock swaybars cope with cars that are 400lbs lighter than factory, do I still need an upgraded one, or is the factory swaybar sufficient because it has to do less work?
Suspension is usually tuned by feel, and is different for every car. You just need to figure it out yourself.
I appreciate the correct pronunciation of anti. I'll wait for the angry comments
Honestly I’ve been thinking about doing a bigger rear sway bar on my Volvo S60R because these things handle too lightly for their weight. The steering feels like a Miata but I’m driving a 3700lb brick
Bro i think you mixed them up at the end. A stiffer rear makes the weight transfer less at the rear, thus more at the front. Thus more front grip?
You said yourself at the beginning that stiffer is less grip
I didn’t know that thanks
Are you referring to lateral weight transfer or longitudinal? And why is that? I imagine it is more instant but not more than when the suspension is settled.
Please explain me ,In case of understeer: By stiffing anti roll bar in front will have more evenly weight distribution during cornering to prevent roll , which will increase grip in front tire so why we won’t make roll bar stiff in front during under steer ???
Doesn't this only apply to the balance of the car though? The example is true of course, but isn't it also true that stiffening both the front and rear will increase overall grip because there will be less body roll, so less weight transfer, so the grip is more evenly distributed across the tires?
So it depends on the car, but if a car needs grip up front would that mean only having a thicker sway bar at the rear would be better than having both? Or am i missing something
For m'y MR2 for example : the weight transfer is too sudden and is causing the rear axle to lose grip, creating lift off oversteer.
Then when you correct it it snaps back harder in the opposite direction (famous snap oversteer)
Which swap bar should I stiffen to reduce this phenomenon?
I IRL pogged when I saw the Miata
Let me get this straight, if my car has understeer, I want a stiffer bar in the rear, and if I over steer I should use a less stiff bar in the rear? And if the back feels loose, I should use a lighter bar up front?
What he's saying is, if you want more grip to the front wheels, which you're steering with, stiffening the rear bar can help that, but you'll also lose a proportional amount of grip in the rear.