Zpacks Duplex Tent... After the Honeymoon!
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- The Zpacks Duplex Tent... After the Honeymoon! With almost 2 years of ownership, join the Restless One as he goes through the up's and down's of one of the lightest 2 person tents on the market!
For more info, please check out Zpacks website!
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Info on the Duplex
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Accessories I use with the Duplex
Zpacks Pole Cups
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32" Carbon Poles
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Again, I appreciate you watching as always!!!
The Restless One
Just finished my second season with the duplex. I've spend a lot of time in it and I've not had any complaints/failures with it. I always keep at least one vestibule door open (even in rain) and I only experienced condensation once while hiking the Wonderland Trail this year, but it was easily taken care of with a microfiber towel. I realize that it is an expensive tent, but it's weight/space warrants the cost and it's a good value for what you pay. I have a two entry tent with four vestibule doors, and my tent is lighter/stronger than my friends' 1p tents. I would totally buy this tent again.
Thanks Gary!!! Totally agree with you, if something ever happened, I would definitely buy again, although, by that time, who knows...Zpacks could have an updated Super Duplex!!!! 🤣
I live in Minnesota and would rarely keep doors open because you get eaten alive by mosquitos! Doesn’t anyone else?
@@RA-go5qk I think he was maybe referring to keeping the storm doors open, not the mesh doors... but I could be wrong. Which is what I do with my Plexamid (soon to be exchanged for a Duplex, probably), and I agree with keeping one storm door open to prevent condensation even in light rain as long as it's not coming in horizontal.
@@WildlandExplorer i'd like to have the Plexamid if you're not using it anymore mate.
@@WildlandExplorer - Spot on WE!
I used my Duplex on a 9 day backpacking solo in the Adirondack High Peaks in August. For condensation management while also keeping out rain, there is a way to latch vestibule doors half way up.
For rain... One day, I returned to my tent after six hours of steady rain. I had set up the tent the prior night in the dark and the site wasn't well drained. Half of the Duplex was literally floating in a huge 1-2" puddle. My heart sunk until I discovered zero moisture had seeped or wicked through the Dyneema or into my gear or pad. Everything was dry inside. I LOVE this tent. Well worth the $ to me.
I’ve wanted one of these for years. just can’t justify the $650.
This was an excellent video by the way. Very well put together👍👍
Hey Alex! Thanks man! I agree, it's a eye popping price but considering I was almost going to buy the Ultamid... this thing was a bargain!
good equipment is an investment in yourself...
Buying all these extra poles and getting the thicker/ heavier fabric almost cumulatively gets to the point of undermining this tent’s truly ultralight inherent features.
Dude, glad you’re back bringing a smile to mine and many other faces.
The price was a hard pill... Here’s HOW I swallowed! I was retiring, so I worked extra. I worked past my retirement date and paid for the tent. Yup! No regrets!
🤣... that is awesome!!! It really is worth it!!! Good for you!!!
I have the duplex in burnt orange! Taking it out for the first time this weekend😊 cant wait!
I love Zpacks...a great company with great customer service and amazing products. Lightweight backpacking gear is pricey but as an older hiker, I have been able to hike with more comfort than I did when I was younger.
Very true!!! Light equals comfort and more distance all the way!!!
I saw your first video on this tent when researching gear for my 2019 AT thru hike. I ended up purchasing the camo version.Your comments then and now are exactly what I experienced on my gear test hikes. Thanks for the accurate information. I continue to look for ideas to minimize the few negatives but simply love the tent! The price is expensive but through several hard storms with 35 mph winds the tent was bone dry. Condensation has been manageable and I've only had to close all the doors once. I feel comfortable and protected from the elements. What more can you expect from a tent!
All your videos are as entertaining as informative!
Hey Tom! Really appreciate the kind words!!! Congrats on the future thru hike of the AT!!! I am so envious!! You will be in good hands with your Duplex!!! On a side note, my partner in crime on the channel, Timmy, just purchased the Camo Duplex as well!!! I always wanted to see it in person and now I finally have the chance! Thanks for watching as always!!!
Great follow up review. I agree, when I look at all the other options out there, even with the price the duplex is still the tent I keep coming back to. Now to just save up the money to get it!
Thanks Heathen Hiker... I too was at the same crossroads before I bought this tent... I figured, I would always kick myself for not spending the extra cash when comparing it to other tents in this class of weight! This was the first tent in years that, after purchasing, I never went back to the internet looking at "what could beat this tent!"
Agree 100% with your review. I have had the Duplex for two years and have used it on several short trips but I Just used it on a thru hike (35 trail days) of the Colorado trail recently and love it. Course the condensation sucks but nothing that can't be solved by using a camp towels of sorts to wipe it down from the inside in the morning. Spent many thunderstorms, rainy and windy nights above tree line in it and always had confidence in its durability. I will more than likely get a new one when this ones eventually wears out.
That is fricken' awesome! Colorado is DEFINITELY on my to do list!!! And I totally agree with you... I would replace it with the same tent when it wears out... IF it wears out!!! 🤣
From a fellow Ohio hiker, If you can find the 5-6 weeks to do the CT I would highly recommend it. Hike of a life time so far, it will be hard to beat on future hikes.
My dad has the duplex, he loves it! I have the triplex (two kids that go with me and a dog so we needed room), and now that my kids are getting older one of my sons wanted a tent, one a hammock, so we now have a pleximid added to the family! These tents cannot be beat for durability and weight! I also have a hammock too and still will take the triplex with me when I do t feel like carrying extra weight!
I've had mine for well over one year. I love it.
Absolutely love my zpacks duplex. Thousands of miles and still going strong.
Hey Plug-it In Hikes! That is so great to hear!!!
Awesome review I like when people offer long term follow up reviews.
Thanks Dragon! Me too!!! It's good to see how products fair over a long period of time! Thanks for watching!!!
Thumbs up for best intro of any backpacking/outdoors channel I have ever seen.
😅 Thanks Jason!
Thank you for the review. I have been eyeballing this for years.. It's nearly time
I went with the 3F UL by LanShan . Same tent. Same great features. Love it. 1/5th the price too.
Awesome tent Leatherman!!! Heard great things about them!!!
I got this tent almost 3 months ago, and as its winter, i have only been on 1 trip with it (i HAD TO try it), so now im watching videos about this tent to "get my fix", LOL! I really like the design, and think it is the best example i have seen that "the simple is often the best". The only thing i wish was different, was how the door closes. When i wake up in the morning - READY to go pee - that door is NOT my friend, LOL! Other than that, this tent seems PERFECT to me. Im used to 3 person tents, so it feels a bit small, but this means it is relatively quick and easy to find a place to set it up, which i think is a big advantage. It has plenty room for me and my gear, and i will probably get used to it after a few more trips :)
I'll add these thought as I've had the same tent for over 2 years.
I found that I was able to effectively get the same added extra head room as you do the the pole cups, by making the end pull cords a foot or so longer. The supplied line wasn't quite long enough to accomplish this without a stick propping the line up.
I also had the same issue with the stitching tearing at all four spots where the zipper meets the floor. Personally, I think the recommended pole height puts too much strain on the these spots, especially if there are two people sharing the tent as it keeps the floor all of the way down on ground. I used tape initially but it didn't hold for long so I stitched these spots and sealed the seams . This will undoubtly hold for awhile.
I agree about condensation. I was able to add the double wall insert before it was apparently discontinued. This keep the moisture off of my gear and blocked out most of the light coming in through the top panels. If you can find one of these inserts, I'd highly recommend them.
I am interested in the Sheppard Hooks, I've seen a few people recommend them now. I still carry MSR Groundhogs because I tend to find spots that have loose soil. I even carry two extras with cordage for the side pullouts.
My only dislike of the tent is that the doors could be a little lower. I've had rain blow in a few times during heavy storms. I realize that this would kill venilation and that I could just lower the poles but, that also lowers the bathtub floor.
Overall, an amazing tent and still the best on the market.
Thanks Jeremiah!!! Appreciate the comment!!! I too was intrigued by the double wall insert and saw that they discontinued it... that is awesome that it's helped cut down on moisture! I agree with everything you stated above! Just like with any tent out there, you will find some sort of issue... NO TENT IS PERFECT! But the Duplex is DARN CLOSE! Thanks for watching!!!
You can also just put a stick under the guy out line and it works much the same as the pole cups.
Great job on the review. I just got my duplex about 2 months ago. I absolutely love the double entry on the tent. I’m glad you talked about no ground sheet. My buddies say I’m crazy for not using one. Thanks for sharing and I enjoyed watching. 😃👍👍
Thanks Jason!!! I have to admit... with what I spent on this tent, I started out with a ground sheet... but over time, I realized the floor was 10X stronger than any ground sheet I could ever buy! LOL... after that, I've been groundsheetless ever since with no wear or tear to speak of! Thanks for watching!!!!
Really good second review. And I really enjoyed your video about cuben fiber absorbing water.
I actually just sold my duplex. Not that it was a bad tent. I just hadn't used it in about a year. I found that for 1 person trips, the Gatewood Cape and net were virtually the same weight, WAY cheaper, and provided a dual purpose gear as a poncho and shelter. My wife didnt go with me near enough to justify having a $600 tent that I mostly never used.
I just got a new tent that was about half the price to use for the couple times each year I would use a two person. That being said, if I was a thruhiker, the duplex is most likely the tent I would go with. But as a weekend warrior, it just wasnt worth it for me.
Heck ya, your Gatewood Cape is awesome for a one person setup! And yes, I agree, it would be difficult letting this tent sit in a closet, only to be used once or twice a year... you made the right decision! Hey, I saw your invite for your upcoming trip!!! I would totally be there if it wasn't for it being 1400 miles away! LOL!!! Can't wait to see the video!!!
There is a HAVEN DCF that is also Dynema but has an inner mesh tent which would be helpful with condensation. 500$ and is only 340grams - or - 12 oz
We were a couple of 2018 PCT thru hikers and we used the Duplex for the entire trail. We got some problems in our tent and asked to replace a new one on the trail. Zpacks soon sent us a new one. However, we found our tent was filled with rainwater in the middle of the tub after raining overnight. Water penetrated from the bottom into the tub. We were surprised to see that. From that time, we learned to find a tentsite with better drainage of rainwater in order not to save water in the bottom of the tent. Just for your reference.
Hey! Thanks for the comment!!! I would love to try the PCT!!! Looks like an amazing hike!!! That is crazy that you had water seep in through the bottom... just this past year, we hiked Shenandoah and on the last night, I ended up setting up my Duplex in a stream (not intentionally!!!!🤣) and was surrounded in water... about an inch... never had water in the tent!!! I wonder if the seam was not properly applied on the bottom of the tent? Did you contact Zpacks again and if so, what did they say?
@@RESTLESSOUTDOORS We were cautious to set up the tent particularly the height of the tub whenever it's raining. We never think that water could seep into the tent when there's water "stored" under the bottom. So, choosing a fine place with good drainage is a must. Also, cuben fiber is still a kind of fiber which will be torn in some circumstances. We need to replace the tent because once we used it under a heavy windstorm that made the fiber torn and water droplet could seep from the top of tent. With the torn problem of the zippers on both net doors, we requested to change for a new one. Yet, I still love the Duplex because of its light weight. We also used the carbon tent poles for sandy and snowy areas. It helps to enlarge the interior space. For the water penetration, we didn't contact Zpacks but use a plastic table cloth as a ground sheet for further H2O proof : )
I too love how the carbon poles give you more livability!! I used to use a groundsheet myself but have stopped and never had any issues with water seeping in... but, you provided great info to look out for!!! It's amazing how a camp site can change after a rainstorm!!! LOL!
I have the REI flash air 2 I bought new for $250 with poles, stakes, extra guy lines and a stuff sack. It is similar to the duplex ...here is a review comparing it to the duplex.........You might not think of REI as a leader in the ultralight category, but their trekking pole-supported Flash Air 2 is an impressive addition to the market. For a considerable $300 less than the Zpacks, the Flash Air boasts 28.7 square feet of floor area and a 42-inch peak height, weighs 1 pound 15 ounces using trekking poles for support (2 lbs. 8 oz. all in), and has a similar hybrid single-wall build that helps keep weight low while still providing good ventilation (you also get two roof vents to help with airflow). It also wins out in convenience with an easy setup process that doesn’t require much practice. In the end, the Zpacks is the more proven design for ULers, but the newer Flash Air is a strong alternative for much less money.
Nice review, man ... it's nice to hear the pros and cons after some use. Much appreciated!
Thanks so much Metaspencer!!!
Best piece of gear I own besides my EE quilt...the thicker fabric is the best for sure..love mine..great video dude...in the snow shes a little temperamental though..but nothing is perfect..
Thanks Brett!!!! It is nice crawling in the Duplex after a long days hike!!!
Very good review I just bought one I’m waiting for it going to do the PCT next year going to set it up a bunch of times before I go thank you so much for everything that you went through very good rock on brother
Great review Adam. Mine is two years old also and although I have many tents, I don't use anything else. Titanium shepards hooks all the way around and no issues with the pole ends coming loose. I aways look for rocks to cover the pole end stakes though.
Good to know you had success using them on the main pole lines!!! I will just have to try it for myself!!! And yes... used many of rocks in Shenandoah! Thanks for watching as always!!!
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to eval and share your experience with this tent.
Thanks Patrick!
I've had this exact tent, same color, for three years and i still love it. I got it for motorcycle camping originally. The only time i didn't like it was when i had to camp in a location that had zero ability to drive a stake. I had those lines tied to my motorcycle, rocks, tree trunk. I really wished for a self standing tent that day. It stayed up flopping around a bit, but i didn't get much sleep that night.
I'll tell you what, the Flex Pole option is something you really need to look at! I've used it on one trip so far but it was a doozy of a trip!!! High gusting winds, rain to snow... they performed better than expected!!! I have a first look video with a final thoughts video coming out soon!!!
Nice review, I've been using the same gear the last 20 years or so and while planning bigger hikes, I'm getting older so time to tweak my equipment. Looking at getting one of these soon...think it's just what I need.
Ok oh Restless One.... i took my new Duplex out this past weekend FINALLY for its maiden overnight up Tray Mtn in GA on the AT. Unfortunately, i thought the weather called for clear skies all night so set it up with both doors fully open with just the screen closed....then we got a big thunderstorm....by the time i fumbled around in the dark and rain to get it closed...Moose, my dog, and I got a bit wet. Totally my fault. If i had it totally dialed in...i know it would have been ok. The thing i was really surprised about was the roominess....ample space for Moose (yes...he's a big boy) and my Osprey 65 liter Atmos (still waiting on my Arc Haul) and had STILL had so much room. The weight (or lack thereof) was so much better than my 6lb tent. Thanks again for all your info...you rock! Come down to GA anytime...
Love this video, thorough but straight to the point. Thanks for posting..I was on the fence about buying it but you’ve convinced me to treat myself to something nice!
Hey Cantha! That is AWESOME!!! You will not regret it!!! And yes, you deserve it!!! 😉 Thanks so much for watching!!!
Great video. I've had a Duplex for two years also. Love it.
Awesome Walt!!! Which one did you end up with?
About to start my second season with the Altaplex (I think they discontinued it, but it's sort of the tall person's Solplex - the 1 person version of the Duplex). Absolutely love it. Yes, sticker shock is no joke, but I absolutely do not regret a single penny of it. It weighs less than half as much as the much smaller silnylon packing tent it replaced, and outperforms that tent in every single way. I strongly considered the Duplex to be able to bring my gear inside, but I'm not a trekking pole guy normally, so I wanted to stick with a single pole tent. I've never regretted leaving my bag hung on the pole in the vestibule. It stays bone dry, is well away from critters, and is still very easy to access.
The Altaplex was definitely on my short list but really wanted dual doors for ventilation! I too LOVE the fact I can keep my pack off the ground and easily access it once inside the tent!!! Thanks so much for watching!!!
I had the same issue with the zipper on my Duplex. I sent it back to Zpacks and they fixed it for free.
Awesome Chip! Zipper was actually fine... it was the mesh that came apart... all good now!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Thanks for the video. I've been considering this tent for a while now. I finally bit the bullet a few weeks ago.
That is awesome Jason!!! You are gonna LOVE this tent!!!
You deffo won't regret it.
Great review. I have the duplex also and couldn't agree more. Pricey for sure, but it's American made, well built and about as light as you can get.
Amen Ricky Bobby! Amen!
Gotta to admit. Being made in america was also one of the justifications i used to buy the tent. And the fact that it is ungodly light helped.
Nice review, thanks. I have heard mention of condensation with this tent and thought that it couldn't be worse than any other single wall tent. Thanks for your honest common sense comment on the issue. Hopefully I will save enough $$ soon to be sleeping in a duplex.
Thanks Bill! Ya, like I said in the video, all single walled tents will have issues with condensation.... Fortunately, Zpacks did an awesome job with their design to help keep it a minimum!!! Appreciate you watching!!!!
I tried to convince the hubby to get a single walled tent when we were upgrading, but he's a traditional type, I guess. I do prefer freestanding though, even if it means more weight. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Carley!!! I still own a double wall freestanding tent for the rare occasions my wife joins me on the trail... they are super nice for ease of setup and taming condensation when you have 2 bodies breathing all night!!! BUT... for when I go solo, I appreciate the weight of the Duplex and can usually control and keep the condensation pretty much to a minimum!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Great video! Simple and to the point!! SOLD!!
Still using it... best hands down!!! You won't regret it!
Well filmed video sir. Enjoyed it. And that’s from a hammock guy! Lol
Thanks Dwayne! And I totally forgive you for being a hammock guy...😂... I'm joking... I'm joking!!!!
Snagged a used one for $400 can't wait to give it a try.
Sweet!!!!! That's more palatable!
Love that tent! Thanks for all the great info!
Heck ya! It's been really good to me!!!
Although I’ll never drop that kind of cash for the tent, your review was great! If money were no object you’d have me sold. Nicely done Restless One.
Thanks Catherine! I hear you!!! I can only imagine how many of these tents Zpacks could sell if they knocked it down $150!!!!
I'm definitely getting this tent! Buy once Cry once!
LOL! How how true!!! The tears don't dry up once you have the tent in hand... It just switches over to tears of JOY! Thanks for watching!!!
@@RESTLESSOUTDOORS One interesting thing I noticed is that Hillebergs fabric they use in their yellow label 3 season tents has the same tear strength as the .74oz spruce green DCF. The Rogen is their two door two person tent and granted it is a double wall tent but it weighs 4lb 10oz and costs $765. In my opinion the Kerlon fabric Hilleberg uses is the best silnylon that I've seen but it doesn't have the awesome properties that DCF has.
I just thought that that was very interesting information since it really highlights the durability of the Zpacks Duplex from a different perspective. You're getting a tent that costs less and is way lighter than the Rogen that is still built with equally bombproof materials. Plus they both setup in a manner that keeps the 'inner' dry if it is raining or even snowing.
@@RESTLESSOUTDOORS After playing with my calculator I can see that the Duplex will be a HUGE game-changer. Because if I break out my old Granite Gear Virga my big three weight with my 20F down quilt will be 4lbs 8oz. Then if I decide to get a 40F down quilt for summer it will be 3lbs 15oz. Though I would only use the frame-less pack for short trips.
My big three prior to getting the Duplex was 7.9 lbs.... I had the Sierra Designs Lightning 2FL, Osprey Exos 48, Thermarest NeoAir Regular, and a Sierra Designs 800 Fill Backcountry Bed... Now, If I include the new LiteAF Pack with my big three... 4lbs 13oz.... and that includes the Thermarest NeoAir in a LARGE, and my EE 20 degree quilt.... The Sierra Designs tent weighed in at 50 ounces.... the Duplex in the Spruce comes in at around 22 ounces.... over half the weight! If you get the Olive... it's at 19 ounces!!!! To me... that was the reason I pulled the trigger... my philosophy has always been if I can cut the weight in half of any backpacking gear... I'll bite the bullet... but it has to be at least half the weight... otherwise, I keep with what I have! The Duplex is expensive but there is nothing currently out there that can match the weight to room ratio!!! I also like the Plexamid... but, I love that you get two openings with the Duplex!
@@RESTLESSOUTDOORS with the way I can be with gear I have only one tent at the moment. It's a 2 person expedition tent that weighs 152oz. I've taken it on one backpacking trip and it sucked hard. It was designed as an extreme weather base camp tent and mobile trips with some type of vehicle or pulk. The Duplex is going to be amazing compared!!!
great rundown man, thanks for doing what you do
Awesome review Brother! Thanks for sharing!
Stay blessed
Thanks so much BushCraftBums!!!
Just found you.....nice video,I've had a duplex for over 2 years....never hung my bag on the trekking pole before-great idea....I sold off gear that I had upgraded from ;Sleeping bag,sleeping pad, tent and backpack to pay for the tent....more room in the closet ....I've got the thinnest duplex but have still never had any issues..I do however carry a piece of Tyvek for under the tent as a insurance policy as it can be used in wooden plank shelters also to avoid splinters in my mattress pad...thanks for the nice video...btw my wife bought me the poles for making the tent free standing from zpack at trail days in Damascus...when used they make this tent soooo sturdy...I have used them a couple times on weekend hikes,but can't justify on a long hike....unless I can shed 10 oz somewhere else...lol...
Awesome Charles!!! All the variations of the Duplex are great! I just went with the Spruce because I figured if I was spending this much money on a tent, I wanted the toughest Dyneema they offered... LOL... although in hindsight, it was overkill!!! We just came back from Dolly Sods this past weekend and I finally got to use the Flex Poles.... man was I impressed!!! But I still prefer trekking poles... makes for a bomb proof pitch!!! Thanks for watching!!!
RESTLESS OUTDOORS thanks for the shout out...dolly sods is near Chattanooga right....I'm near Pearisburg,VA.so I have tons of options around here...sub.today,looking forward to catching up on your videos...
Actually Dolly Sods is near Davis West Virginia! You do have a ton of options for Virginia indeed!!!
Great review. Really appreciate the detailed overview.
Hey Matthew!!! Thanks so much!!! Really appreciate you watching!
One big difference the Zpack is made in the US and most other tents are made in China for next to nothing. You get what you pay for and you are helping the local economy. Great honest video thanks
Excellent review!! Lots of good information. Thanks for sharing. Ax
Thanks so much Axerxes!!!
Regarding your comment about the Plexamid near the end of the video... I'd hold off if I were you. I'm maybe going to post my own video quite soon about my regrettable experience with it. The Duplex seems to have none of the fairly severe issues that the Plexamid has. (hint: yes, I'm talking about the squared off carbon fiber peak).
Despite the ultra-light nature of this tent, the facet that you touched upon, but in a confusing way, is that this tent is acceptably durable.
However, the major issue you _didn´t_ mention, is that this $600+ tent has only a one-year warranty -- and that´s from the date of purchase!
Unless you go through-hiking the day after receiving it in the mail -- and who does _that_ -- you _had better_ hope this tent is durable!
Ya... this tent is probably the most durable tent I've ever owned... never used a ground sheet... throw it in all messy in its stuff sack... smoke cigarettes in it...eat in it... etc..etc... if your looking for the best tent hands down... this is it... and you'd be pretty stupid not to buy it...🤣... and I mean that in the most loving way ever...🥰❤
I have the Pleximed love it. Looking to buy this one but the price is making me wait!
Great review..thanks for sharing!
Just found this video, great tips and info. Thanks
Thanks so much Christopher!
Very good review of the Duplex
Coming from a hammock camper... I totally appreciate that comment! 👊 Enjoy the rest of Shenandoah and the of the AT brother!!!!
Really good review man!
Hey... you shouldn't be watching UA-cam videos buddy... You got LOTS of training to do before you hit the AT.... LOL! Thanks man!
@@RESTLESSOUTDOORS he should be watching Shug do hammock reviews
Great review ... but I'm sticking with my hammie for now!!😎😎
Ha!!! Just don't hang over a nice flat tent spot! 🤣
Good video man. Really good info on the duplex
Thanks Josh!!! For that nice comment, I'll let you touch my Duplex at the meetup... 🤣
The price should really be taken in stride IMHO.
This video was made in 2018 so you had no idea what was coming. Though I had to take out a second mortgage to pay for this tent, it was worth every penny in the end when I lost my home and had to move into it full time thanks to Covid
Thank you ,i am new to your channel and i like it so far !!
Hey Frank!!! Thanks so much for stopping by!!!
Personally, I wouldn't spend 600+ for a tent if it came with a pole dancer and a case of Pendleton Bourbon! :-) But, I still enjoy seeing what's out there. I enjoyed this video, in particular because you point out the negative's with the positive's. I have found many gear video's to be frustrating, since it often appear's the user is/was sponsored by that manufacturer. Stay safe-Happy trails. Roger
🤣...I hear you Roger!!! It was a tough pill to swallow but overall... I'm still happy with the purchase!!! And believe me... I wish this tent was perfect for the price but everything pretty much isn't a bushel of kittens in real life!! LOL! Thanks for watching!!!
I hiked mine 1700 miles. I have two wear issues. One of the zippers tends to bind up - so I try not to use that entrance anymore. The cuben Fiber above my head has started getting tiny pinholes. I've used the repair tape to cover up the more obvious patches of them, but I wish I had purchased the heavier material option.
That was definitely one of the reasons I went with the Spruce Green...I know over time, Dyneema like any other fabric will wear down with heavy use... but...I'm still convinces that Dyneema is easiest to repair on the trail...that tape is a lifesaver!!!
I don't think there is a single wall or even a double wall tent that doesn't have some type of condensation issue during certain weather conditions, I have 6 different tents (yes my name is Ross and I'm a tentaholic), from a Hubba Hubba to a TrailStar and even a hot tent, all experience some condensation at certain times/temperatures. Good review RESTLESS ONE, thanks for sharing, I can't afford one though (Canadian dollar sucks), I just have to grin and carry the extra weight.
www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-dan-durston-x-mid-1p-tent#specs . Check this out, sold on massdrop, but designed by a Canadian thruhiker and there is not a lighter tent for the money!!!
True that Ross! 6 different tents!!!! You ARE a tentaholic!!! 🤣 Thanks so much for watching!!!
Seen that Ryan!!! Looks intriguing indeed!!!
I've read and watched so many reviews of this tent and not one has a real negative except for the cost. I'm planning a thru hike of the the AT in 2020 and bought a Big Agnes Fly Creek UL1, but found that it is too cramped, especially if I have to spend 5-6 months in it. $600 for 6 months rent isn't that bad.
Agree!!! The BA is a great tent but it's still a single entry tent... had the Sierra Design's Lightning 2FL... great tent but a pain to get in and out of...plus...only having one entry...I baked in the summer night heat!!! There was just absolutely no cross breeze... if I was spending 4-5 months in a tent...the Duplex would be my go to hands down! And you are correct about price... WELL WORTH it considering the space and ventilation... you won't be sorry!!!
Hello. Great video, thank you. How does it hold up in high winds (more than 100km/hours) please ? Thanks
Great tent review, thank you.
Thanks sqd8r!!!
Thanks for review. One request, next time you’re in a strong wind can you video it? Would be great to see how it performs. Thanks again
The extra pole to keep the fabric off your face looks pretty suboptimal. Having a design where that pole would go horizontally over the trekking pole to make a capital T would give lots more head room. They've done something similar with the Plexamid.
As Fred Dryer would say in the smash hit 80's tv show "Hunter".... "Works for me."
If money was nothing, Duplex. I wouldn't write off GG's The Two though. More than 200$ less than the duplex, dual entry points, a bit more room but you sacrifice some weight at 29oz. Sil nylon, eh. If UL concerns you it'll still get the job done. Great review
Agree Tyler.... the Two was on my short list... but when it came to choosing a non freestanding tent, Dyneema was the best choice for me... during a rain storm, which always happens when we backpack...🤣... having a nice taught, non-sagging tent is a pleasure in its self!!! And as you mentioned, weight is pretty unbelievable for a 2 person tent!!! Thanks so much for watching!
id like to know how this stands on mountin hiking/camping, with higher winds etc, i can see why some one would like it on a dry-season one layer in high winds just feel like truble.
Agree with all. BUT… wish ZP would ditch the Sunshine shape entry zipper for the hanging L. I call it the Frown Face. You must open the whole thing and it drops to the ground. An L hangs in place, keeps the bugs confused while you enter. Check out Tarptent Rainbows or Gossamer Gear One and Two. They have it figured out. ZP spins it as a Sunshine door…. Uh: No!
Great review thanks very much so helpful when thinking hard about the investment
Great review. Is it easy/possible to set up in the high alpine, above treeline, without stake-able ground (open rock slabs)?
Yes, I used a Duplex without stakes at the Bouldfield campsite at Longs Peak, Colorado. I swapped out the cords on the corners and sidewalls for a few feet each of ultralight guy line. I kept the cord that attaches to the top of the doors, but extended those with a few feet of guy line as well. I tethered the guy lines to rocks using a truckers hitch (or you can use the tensioners that come with the guy line instead of using a truckers hitch).
I hiked the JMT with a LanShan2 (similar construction, two-wall, SilNylon, 2x the weight but 1/5th the price). I liked to sleep on big granite slabs as they store the warmth of the day. You may need 10 minutes extra to collect and arrange rocks such that they hold the tent pegs in position - but never a problem.
That color looks beautiful. Lighting looks amazing. Awesome video.
Hey Amy!!! Thanks so much!!! Really appreciate that!
you are a fun guy, love your videos! i own one of this bcause of your previous video about duplex and i got a spruce green version too, and obviously if you change your tent, then we are bro no more and i will have to unsubscribe and look for other channel that validate my spendings on duplex LOL, greetings from a random subscriber in indonesia
Hey! Thanks so much Prsty Zq! OK...OK... I will stick with the Duplex!!!! LOL! You are going to LOVE this tent... especially in the Spruce Green!!!!
Nice review. One other negative I found is the size- sometimes where I hike in northeast it’s hard to find space to set it down
Hey pgreenx!!! That is one negative I've been able to avoid but is certainly one that is true with a tent! The new Plexamid would be my choice if I was running into that problem and needed a smaller footprint... but then again, hammocks would fair well in that situation as well... but I personally am a tent fanboy....🤣
I have to agree with this one. The footprint of the duplex is quite large. I've always been able to get around it though. I've considered the plexamid as an alternative but I'm not convinced it is ready for prime time.
Hey great review, didn’t know about the clothes line loops. gotta disagree with the shepard’s pegs though, started out with those but switched to ground hogs after numerous failures on a stormy night in slightly boggy ground....bad night. how do you find the rainbow mesh doors? They drive me nuts, only real complaint, but can’t think of alternative solution.
Thanks! Started with the ground hogs... kept 2 for the main guy lines... agree there... I can see the shepard pegs being a weak point... but I've had no issues using them for the corners... never had an issue in wet ground. I don't mind the rainbow doors... just bunch it up and lay right in inside the bathtub floor. All in all, still the best tent even after all these years! And a ton of copy cats which speaks to how well this was originally designed!!!
I’m loving the added straps at the head and feet area that pull up the bathroom floor. My tent has a similar design but without those. I’m going to add them. Any idea how long they are?
Greetings! I received my Duplex today!! Was such a joy to set it up so quickly compared to my two wall with a footprint. But the two net pouches for glasses, etc are at the bottom middle of the door. The means you risk crushing whatever is in them when you go in and out of the tent. Plus possible exposure to rain. I wonder if they changed the design or if it was a mistake.
Really? Mine are at the head and foot ends... wonder if that is standard now? Well... nice thing is that you can place it on the side you don't crawl in... wouldn't worry about the gear getting wet... the Duplex has a pretty decent overhang... actually... now that I think about it...I WOULD prefer the pockets by the door... always reaching to get my lamp out of that head pocket... would be nice to have right next to me!!!! Anyways...congrats!!! You are in for a treat when you finally are able to spend your first night in it!!! Especially in the rain!!! Love the pitter patter of rain drops on Dyneema!!!
Do the newer (2020/21) Duplex tents still have the interior loops? I've heard different things...
Its a great tent for sure Restless....I would have mine already if I hadn't of lost my g7x in the river, lol!
Buy a used Polaroid and then spend the rest on a Duplex! 🤣
Any problems with the floor flapping around in the wind? If so, do you think those stick-on loops could be used outside on the corners and staked down--or do they seem pretty light-duty?
Is it really big enough to fit two people comfortably?
Without laying against the sides of the tent.
Hey Brian!!! The rule of thumb for ANY tent goes as follows...
1. Want cramped space and hardly any room for gear? -1 Person Tent
2. Want a spacious residence for you and your gear with plenty of room to spread out? - 2 Person Tent
3. Want to take a buddy or loved one with you on an overnight? - 3 Person Tent
4. Want a MANSION for you and your buddy or loved one plus plenty of room for gear and the ability to almost stand up in your tent? - 4 Person Tent
And so on and so on....
So, can you fit 2 people in a 2 person tent? Yes! But, if you both have 25 inch wide sleeping pads, the tent will bulge out... but can you do it? SURE!!! It also depends on how big the 2 people are... 2 people that are 5'5".... the tent would still be a mansion... LOL!!
Lot's of variables to your question but in theory, 2 people can sleep in any 2 person tent... but if it were me and I was ALWAYS taking another person... the Triplex would be the winner hands down!!!
One thing I've learned in my life, is better to invest in good material 1 time, than spending multiple times trying to save a buck.
With the amount of money I've spent on different tents, I could have bought an excellent tent ONE time instead of popping 100-400 several times already.
Hi thanks for your review, great! Just a question: your suggestion about the added straps at the head and feet at the outside, how did you do that? I find the small poles at Zpacks website, but I see you have also an extra padding for them to hold, how did you do that? Thanks in advance!
Thank you for this review! I have heard Zpacks did make optional liners for the duplex to deal with the condensation. Have you ever heard of them or how they did work? And do you have experience with the different thicknesses of the dyneema?
Restless, what length fiberglass poles do you use the extend the head and foot walls?
These are the 32" poles on the Zpacks website under Accessories!
Thanks man! What are your thoughts of the Duplex vs. the Altaplex? I’m not sure what to do. On top of that Gossamer Gear is coming out with a DCF version of their Two at the end of October. I have the two now and love it. The DCF version will fix the stretch problem. They won’t give me an answer on the colors or DCF weight they plan on using. So I’m in limbo as to what to do. I want to continue hiking the Florida trail this winter with my new tent. Just not so sure it’s in the cards.
@@Wondering_Fireball I am a super fan boy of the Duplex...to me, its the one everyone copies... go with heart!!!
Thanks man, will do
Thanks for posting a review after extensive use. Would you say it's a ten year (250 days of use) tent? I think it would be reasonable to have a tent that costs about $2.00 a trip. I really don't want any high-end gear that won't last ten years of regular use.
I'm interested in a dyneema tarp for my hammock, but I have to wait a few years before I'll be able to drop that kind of money on a fancy toy. I'm hoping the price will go down over time too. I imagine a hammock tarp would last a lot longer than a tent because it should never touch the ground. It will make sense to buy one as soon as its in my budget. Maybe a visual blemish batch will come out and I'll be able to tale advantage of a good deal. About 80% of the cost seems to be the material.
They say a Duplex tent will last one thru hike but I've seen people use their's much longer... if you take care of it... it should last for quit some time.... especially a tarp! It is expensive but well worth the money if you want the lightest material.
RESTLESS OUTDOORS : I need a piggy bank to put a few bucks in for every night I use my current tarp. I would certainly like to have the lightest, but right now I have a 10x16 foot behemoth that I trust to keep me dry and keep the wind off of me. It even has a reflective metallic silver polyurethane coating on one side (khaki on the other). It's suitable for snowy winter camping - I trust it to hold a snow-load and be able to dig the edges out of hardened snow. It even gives me enough space on the inside to seek refuge from the elements and not be right up under my hammock (I call it the mudroom/kitchen). In fair weather I can pitch it up high reflective side out and have a huge sunshade. And if a limb falls on it and tears it I can replace it for $40.00!
If I got a dyneema tarp I would ask for it to be made extra wide. I'd like a 12x14. It would cost $700 or more though. It would save me two pounds (the equivalent of a liter of water). I definitely *want* a new tarp, but I don't know if I really *need* a new tarp. The rest of my packweight is all well within the normal bounds of being lightweight. I think my winter load this season is going to be about 20 lbs. I'm waiting on a new backpack to do a winter weight check! Using a tiny little 8 oz tarp I have for fair weather my summer load (above 70°F) is around 8 lbs. with no insulation. At 9.5 lbs with a 20° top quilt and no under insulation other than a Thermarest Z-seat under my butt in the hammock I should be good down to the 60s. After that I add a 0°F under quilt and additional layers as needed.
...sorry for rambling.
I don't know why everyone complains about condensation with the Duplex. Zpacks specifically sells a double wall insert for this tent and it works.
Thanks Bald Eagle! I wouldn't say everyone complains about it...it's just the reality of owning ANY single walled tent... it really never bothered me... just keep 2 of the doors open in wet weather or when setting up near a water source... and boom.. no condensation! Good to know the insert they sell works though!!! Thanks for watching!!!
@@RESTLESSOUTDOORS I get it. Nobody mentions the double wall insert, and so it is a little misguided to say condensation is part of the deal with the duplex... when the manufacturer specifically produces a 'fix' for the issue. It would be nice if someone did a review of that since everyone seems to mention condensation. :)
Sounds like a PERFECT first video for your channel!!!!! Go for it!!!
With all the dimensions in mind, can this tent comfortably fit 2 people with the same pad you show in this video?
2 20" pads would work... the pad shown is the large... 2 across would bulge out the sides.
Merci beaucoup pour la critique !
Merci et j'apprécie que vous regardiez!
Duplex is 19 oz. Gossamer Gear Two is 23 oz but 1/2 the cost
Hi, great review, I'm 6' 2", would I have enough headroom? Thank you , Ken, UK (NB they're even more expensive here with import duties)
My hiking buddy Timmy is 6'2" and it fits him perfectly! He has never complains!!! He came from the Big Agnus Copper Spur!
Great video would love one. The only thing is why is there no zip on the doors? Keep one vestabule door pulled out and just zip the other closed when shutting up the tent. I could not justify the price do went for a 3f ul lanshan 2 only $100
Hey Tony!!! To me...I was a bit skeptical about no zipper....but... not only does it keep the weight down, but its one less thing to fail while backpacking... the doors overlap very well and I've never had any issues whatsoever!!! That 3F UL tent is super sweet though!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Just ordered mine today, also bought the 4 season liner. I have two hilleberg tents but wanted something lighter. They seem to be well regarded for a budget tent. Time will tell.
Great video thanks. Are you still on the original zipper sliders?
The ting is if you can have 300g more in your pack, you could get a hornet or a double layered tent with better wind protection.
For half the price.
Also less condensation if you baught a sea to summit tent with the roof vent.
Never liked the Zpacked, i can see the floor being easly riped if you hike for months.
For 2 adults (5ft, 6, 5ft 8) and a dog (50 lb collie) who current use to a 1 door Mountain hardware Approach tent, would you go Duplex or Triplex? We mostly backpack in Colorado so not sure if the wider footprint will be a problem. Thanks for your help!
Two adults will work with 20" pads but that will definitely take up all the floor space... if you don't mind fido sleeping on top of you guys...it could work...but... I have a 48 lb Brittany... its cute when they lay on top of you... for 5 minutes...🤣... although it will take up more real estate... I would lean towards the Triplex... just have to take more time scoping out a wide flat ground!!!!
Thanks! Triplex it is, just need to get creative with finding tent sites :) @@RESTLESSOUTDOORS