I think the tip that blew my mind most, and I can't believe I've never really done this in my own mixes, is just the simple act of hard panning. Something about it just never jumped out as a possibility to me, and I've always been panning things halfway or a little over. Thanks for this video
Thanks for all these great videos :) I seriously appreciate it. I know how much time goes into these. A lot of guy musicians I know think that the length of the song is the most important thing but, in reality, it's the width.
Just one thing: the pan knob in logic is by default a Balance knob, and doesn’t actually move signal/ between the channels, but merely turns down the opposite side. If you right click the knob, you can select a true stereo pan mode.
Dude these techniques made a difference instantly! You are underrated my friend, I'll recommend your channel to some friends. The one I like the most is the mid-side reverb widening. I do orchestral stuff so it really helped get that warm symphonic room sound, if that makes sense xD Thanks! :)
Most important to me is the LCR concept. That is the fundamental starting of point. I always used to try and get width with subtle placement of parts till an engineer/producer friend said really everything should be LCR’d. Of course he didn’t mean everything literally but as in your demonstration here that is the basic start with only a small number of smaller pans.
I think EQ is a fondamental importance: cut well frequencies is the first step to evoid the overload of audio spectrum and put well tracks in the stereo panorama.
Thank you for your helpful advice, so glad I didn’t send anything out because I was close but didn’t have it all the way right, thanks to you I have a greater knowledge and understanding of what plug-ins do use, how to use them and the most important part I learned from you is where to use it, thank you again God bless
I don't know, for me I like the slightly panned mix much more. It sounds much more natural! The other one has a quite huge room yes, but I find that room slightly confusing. The sounds seem to be ripped apart into a huge space of chaos. Especially when using headphones!! I know most music sounds like this today, its not mine! For me I personally use the plugin "waves center" carefully while mastering to work with the width. Which doesn't destroy any of the naturally stereo imaging of the channels. Well I never cared much how others do it... I guess the best is to find a own way to do so.
I love Contemporary Gospel: this song is perfectly arranged because there's so many tracks that fits in "glue" together. Three voice harmony on strong presence with different percussion put well on stereo panorama. Sine wave Synth sound so well (it's a must in Contemporary Gospel) that glues all rhythm tracks around it. Which artist sings this interesting song?
Thank you so much. I needed a refreshing course on how I used to mix my music. And I ask Jesus to show me how I used to Mix my work. And I found your Video Just Like That. When you start working these long hours at your job we something attend to forget how we used to put in work for which the Lord has gave us a gift for. Love your video.
absolutely Rob is a Sir. for your lessons I have applied LCR and stereo width with plug ins in this I learned new lessons and without any doubt I will put them into practice in my next mix Thank you very much !!
Having L/R Mono and panning those will work better than panning a L/R summed Stereo knob; if you compete over stereo space, a lot of elements might get lost, or build up and create an imbalance. By having a separate L/R you have much more freedom to create not just width, but also depth in your mix. With L/R you can also play around with separate volume levels, to place it further back, or above other elements.
Great tutorial, Rob. I am a long and loyal Presonus Studio One user; however, I am very impressed with your "Logic Pro X" setup. It looks very clean and easy to read even with all the tracks on the board. I might need to check this out instead of upgrading to "Studio One 4."
In Logic the default is "Balance", not "Stereo Pan". I found this out the hard way. So if you balance hard left and right as you are doing here, than you are taking out all musical content that was playing in the L or R channel. I don't know if that's intentional and it doesn't matter if it was a mono channel with no effects, but if you did this for instance on a piano track that was recorded in stereo, you lose either the high or low notes depending on how widely it was recorded. Or as another example, if you have a stereo delay on your background vocal if you "balance" hard left, you lose the delay effect from the right channel. With stereo pan, you would shift all the recorded information to one side or the other. Very useful tips otherwise.
I’ve been following Robs journey from the beginning and he’s doing a great job clearing up the clutter. He’s always inspiring me to make better content! Love this source material as well! 😉
thank you Jesus for this time in my life amidst the chaos and uncertainty. by my side taking me through and to this specific task gift youve assigned to me. to be able to get up be in your will and not mines. to come across this super helpful video among all and be in this process of production is home =) much love
The part about increasing the volume on the side of the stereo field is very much dependent on what you wanna go for. In this example it sounded more airy and fluffy but i'd actually prefer the more intimate tone with the balance as it was before.
panning is the meta nowadays. i always use panning. and thanks for the cheat sheet, really great for notes so that i will remember what you said in the vid. these cheat sheets really save time for me writing notes XD
Grrreat, man, that's exactly it! I usually try to widen my mixes with phase plugins. But they either have little effect or they kill your mono. Can't wait to check out your method!
This channel is starting to become my favorite one I'm subscribed to! Already learned so much from you and have instantly seen results in my work as well. Clear, concise charming - so thanks for doing this all especially for free!
Not a rule, but a general tip from my experience - and this is coming from a modern rock perspective (might be different, especially for pop and hip hop), but I find that: 1. Because I do a lot of LCR panning and am quite deliberate about what choices I make therein (and even automate "drama" in panning), I generally wind up choosing NO stereo expansion or side boosting 2. On some rare occasions, I have done some varied compression between mid and side 3. #1 is further supported by use of mid-side EQ on specific tracks or group buses - example: very rarely do I not have some mid-side EQ differences on heavy guitars, and that may often be automated as well (i.e. chorus is different than verse etc) Because of all of that, generally stereo enhancers or even something as simple as bx_solo will change my mixes in ways I don't like. It can take the energy out, and can take the fullness out fast. I think LCR strategy is a must, but if you're doing a lot of deliberate mid-side EQ work, you may find you get better results with no deliberate mix level stereo expansion. And this makes sense, because Mid-side EQ is basically just altering the mid versus side content on a more surgical basis.
4:00 in Cubase there is a hidden feature above the send slots: is called link panners and will pan the sends of the effects the same way as the pan of the output. It's switched off by default which can lead to noticeably narrower mixes.
Great video. I've abused the Stereo widening plugin in the past so I had to back from it a bit. It would sound good in my DAW and once I played it on other systems the voices would be too low.
Thanks for a great tutorial & found this easy to understand, just takes a good ear and for years I’ve trained my ears to get sound professional, I use that mono plugin by brain works , it certainly helps and I love it & feel confident that if anything sound muddy I can sort my mix quickly & I know by using this plugin, it will sound good in a club or bar, which before I was worried of how it was going to sound, by covering all aspects & all angles I know I’m covered
Whoa, we are doing exactly what you described. Panning at varying ranges across the tracks, Never considers the LCR technique. Although, we think that we get decent results, but we will definitely download the "cheat sheet" and apply this new technique, to see if there is an improvement.
Great video tutorial, I use stereo widening plugin at the master bus always, but very subtly.......the song is dope too.....where can we listen to it from?
Thank you so much Rob for this and the other vids too. I now have to spend a few days going deep into those 'cheat sheets.' I am particularly excited about the Amp VST one... actually, thinking about it? I'm excited about learning something from ALL of them!
EQ stereo separation -> You could group/bus all those left and right channels and add one L/R-EQ on that bus to do the same without redundancy and in a much more efficient way if I'm not mixing something up here right!?
Very helpful and delivered with your typical combination of friendliness and humility. May I make 2 suggestions? Could you switch from active to bypassed directly? It's harder to notice the differences with a stop and someone saying "And, now, without." Also, since it's a common convention for the bypass button on plugins to light up red when bypassed, could you use the red graphic for bypassed and green for when the plugin is applied? It just makes a lot more sense visually. If you were to do both of those things, it would make learning from your videos much easier and far more intuitive. Thank you again for the wonderful tips and attitude. I really enjoy your videos.
Okay so the mix already sound pretty stereo before you're adding all these things. To bad we can't really see what you're panning hard but thanks for all the tips. Very helpfull!
Fantastic video , thank you very helpful! Quick question, on the mixing window I saw that you have bus 1 , bus 5 or bus 6 etc. on the output slot but when I open busses they all go directly in stereo output in the output slot. I noticed that if I do your way of sends busses to the output window they sound much quieter.. is there any difference in having busses or stereo output in the output slot ? Thanks in advance
Thanks a lot for these videos...they are really helpful....my only question is what is the difference between a group buss and a mix buss...I seem to get confused with these two...will appreciate your reply or a short video on this. Thanks
Typically we call a group buss a buss where you group one set of instruments (drums, guitars, vocals, etc.) and a mix buss is the entire mix sent to a buss. Hope that helps!
Thank you so much for this video! I love your straightforward teaching approach. I jist habe one question: what is tje difference of the submix and the master fader? You applied the bx-plugin to the submix and not the master out?
Which of these techniques do you find yourself using the most? Leave a comment!
i just ask jesus
Musician on a Mission Thanks. This is great. Will be using this technique right away..
The video is key to anyone trying to step it up. You are excellent. Thanks!
LCR first and then also a bit of that side processing ... Definitely makes a big diff!
What is the name of the track that u are using
MY MAN GOT ME GOIN TO CHURCH
Too bad a protestant church, though.
@@TheGalantMAN oop-
I think the tip that blew my mind most, and I can't believe I've never really done this in my own mixes, is just the simple act of hard panning. Something about it just never jumped out as a possibility to me, and I've always been panning things halfway or a little over. Thanks for this video
It's a game changer!
Thanks for all these great videos :) I seriously appreciate it. I know how much time goes into these. A lot of guy musicians I know think that the length of the song is the most important thing but, in reality, it's the width.
😂
Well songs that have depth can bring a whole new level of volume to the song ;)
@@ChurroLightyear very underapreciated joke
@@GuidoHaverkort am I too dumb to get his clothes comment?
😂
Gaaaaah! Step 3, EQ separation is genius! I will have to use it in my next mix! Thanks, Rob!
No problem!
Thanks for the tutorial. now my new Black Metal track sounds more wide.
Just one thing: the pan knob in logic is by default a Balance knob, and doesn’t actually move signal/ between the channels, but merely turns down the opposite side. If you right click the knob, you can select a true stereo pan mode.
doesn't work on my logic pro x
Dude these techniques made a difference instantly! You are underrated my friend, I'll recommend your channel to some friends. The one I like the most is the mid-side reverb widening. I do orchestral stuff so it really helped get that warm symphonic room sound, if that makes sense xD Thanks! :)
Awesome! So glad we could help you out.
Most important to me is the LCR concept. That is the fundamental starting of point. I always used to try and get width with subtle placement of parts till an engineer/producer friend said really everything should be LCR’d. Of course he didn’t mean everything literally but as in your demonstration here that is the basic start with only a small number of smaller pans.
This is perhaps the most useful production tutorial I have ever come across. You deserve way more subscribers.
I think EQ is a fondamental importance: cut well frequencies is the first step to evoid the overload of audio spectrum and put well tracks in the stereo panorama.
ّImpressive skills, and clean explanation. Give this man a cookie
NOM NOM NOM
Cookie?....Give this Man The Jar!! lol
Thank you for your helpful advice, so glad I didn’t send anything out because I was close but didn’t have it all the way right, thanks to you I have a greater knowledge and understanding of what plug-ins do use, how to use them and the most important part I learned from you is where to use it, thank you again God bless
I don't know, for me I like the slightly panned mix much more. It sounds much more natural! The other one has a quite huge room yes, but I find that room slightly confusing. The sounds seem to be ripped apart into a huge space of chaos. Especially when using headphones!! I know most music sounds like this today, its not mine! For me I personally use the plugin "waves center" carefully while mastering to work with the width. Which doesn't destroy any of the naturally stereo imaging of the channels. Well I never cared much how others do it... I guess the best is to find a own way to do so.
This video is crazy man, u'r a big help in the recording community
I love Contemporary Gospel: this song is perfectly arranged because there's so many tracks that fits in "glue" together. Three voice harmony on strong presence with different percussion put well on stereo panorama. Sine wave Synth sound so well (it's a must in Contemporary Gospel) that glues all rhythm tracks around it. Which artist sings this interesting song?
Thank you so much. I needed a refreshing course on how I used to mix my music. And I ask Jesus to show me how I used to Mix my work. And I found your Video Just Like That. When you start working these long hours at your job we something attend to forget how we used to put in work for which the Lord has gave us a gift for. Love your video.
absolutely Rob is a Sir. for your lessons I have applied LCR and stereo width with plug ins in this I learned new lessons and without any doubt I will put them into practice in my next mix Thank you very much !!
Nice one!
THE BEST MIXING IVE EVER HEARD.
Awesome!
Having L/R Mono and panning those will work better than panning a L/R summed Stereo knob; if you compete over stereo space, a lot of elements might get lost, or build up and create an imbalance. By having a separate L/R you have much more freedom to create not just width, but also depth in your mix. With L/R you can also play around with separate volume levels, to place it further back, or above other elements.
Depends how you record the tracks.
Great tutorial, Rob. I am a long and loyal Presonus Studio One user; however, I am very impressed with your "Logic Pro X" setup. It looks very clean and easy to read even with all the tracks on the board. I might need to check this out instead of upgrading to "Studio One 4."
Good to hear! I was hoping that was the case
In Logic the default is "Balance", not "Stereo Pan". I found this out the hard way. So if you balance hard left and right as you are doing here, than you are taking out all musical content that was playing in the L or R channel. I don't know if that's intentional and it doesn't matter if it was a mono channel with no effects, but if you did this for instance on a piano track that was recorded in stereo, you lose either the high or low notes depending on how widely it was recorded. Or as another example, if you have a stereo delay on your background vocal if you "balance" hard left, you lose the delay effect from the right channel. With stereo pan, you would shift all the recorded information to one side or the other. Very useful tips otherwise.
I’ve been following Robs journey from the beginning and he’s doing a great job clearing up the clutter. He’s always inspiring me to make better content! Love this source material as well! 😉
Thanks for the kind words!
This has been the greatest video for my mixdowns ever created. You’ve seen me all over your channel now and again I want to say thank you so much.
I’m watching this in mono currently, but I’ll watch it in stereo when I have the chance. Nice tips, though.
Very professional insights to Mixing and Stereo Field! Thank you
Immensely helpful for me as I'm learning to mix and want to give my tracks a much fuller sound. Thank you!
thank you Jesus for this time in my life amidst the chaos and uncertainty. by my side taking me through and to this specific task gift youve assigned to me. to be able to get up be in your will and not mines. to come across this super helpful video among all and be in this process of production is home =) much love
The part about increasing the volume on the side of the stereo field is very much dependent on what you wanna go for.
In this example it sounded more airy and fluffy but i'd actually prefer the more intimate tone with the balance as it was before.
Great point!
Thank you so much for the wonderful workflow video with a million dollars worth techniques. Namaste!
panning is the meta nowadays. i always use panning. and thanks for the cheat sheet, really great for notes so that i will remember what you said in the vid. these cheat sheets really save time for me writing notes XD
Amazing, dude. Didn't have the chance to really hear subtle changes until now. Thank you
Incredible, thank you for the video and free stereo width cheat sheet. God bless you!
Wow, awesome.
I feel like this is a new beginning.
I usually use panning to make my project wider. I didn’t know you could do all that. Definitely going to try it
Grrreat, man, that's exactly it! I usually try to widen my mixes with phase plugins. But they either have little effect or they kill your mono. Can't wait to check out your method!
most importantly put jesus in it
Let Jesus take care of the mix 🙏
when is his comeback tho we've been waiting for literally centuries
lol ahahahhahahah
Imagine if he put Allah in it instead! 🤯🤯🤯
@@TheGalantMAN LOL grow-up.
That Eq trick was sick!
This channel is starting to become my favorite one I'm subscribed to! Already learned so much from you and have instantly seen results in my work as well. Clear, concise charming - so thanks for doing this all especially for free!
Not a rule, but a general tip from my experience - and this is coming from a modern rock perspective (might be different, especially for pop and hip hop), but I find that:
1. Because I do a lot of LCR panning and am quite deliberate about what choices I make therein (and even automate "drama" in panning), I generally wind up choosing NO stereo expansion or side boosting
2. On some rare occasions, I have done some varied compression between mid and side
3. #1 is further supported by use of mid-side EQ on specific tracks or group buses - example: very rarely do I not have some mid-side EQ differences on heavy guitars, and that may often be automated as well (i.e. chorus is different than verse etc)
Because of all of that, generally stereo enhancers or even something as simple as bx_solo will change my mixes in ways I don't like. It can take the energy out, and can take the fullness out fast. I think LCR strategy is a must, but if you're doing a lot of deliberate mid-side EQ work, you may find you get better results with no deliberate mix level stereo expansion. And this makes sense, because Mid-side EQ is basically just altering the mid versus side content on a more surgical basis.
Such a beautiful song!💞
4:00 in Cubase there is a hidden feature above the send slots: is called link panners and will pan the sends of the effects the same way as the pan of the output. It's switched off by default which can lead to noticeably narrower mixes.
Oh nice. I noticed that, but never knew what it was for. Have to look into it :D
Thanks for the video! Also love the gospel track on the background :D
Great video. I've abused the Stereo widening plugin in the past so I had to back from it a bit. It would sound good in my DAW and once I played it on other systems the voices would be too low.
We've all been there!
Thanks man ! I’ve been looking for this all week
I use different tones, sounds, chord voicings, instruments, melodies, rhythms or a combination of said things to create stereo width. :)
Thanks for a great tutorial & found this easy to understand, just takes a good ear and for years I’ve trained my ears to get sound professional, I use that mono plugin by brain works , it certainly helps and I love it & feel confident that if anything sound muddy I can sort my mix quickly & I know by using this plugin, it will sound good in a club or bar, which before I was worried of how it was going to sound, by covering all aspects & all angles I know I’m covered
You are such a sweet heart! GOD bless you always! 🕊🐑🌦
Loved this tutorial. I took notes! Plus, nice song!!!
I'm glad I watched this using Rokit 5 Studio monitors.
It's really the best turorial for me , i find it a long time , tks you so much , ever and ever
Whoa, we are doing exactly what you described. Panning at varying ranges across the tracks, Never considers the LCR technique. Although, we think that we get decent results, but we will definitely download the "cheat sheet" and apply this new technique, to see if there is an improvement.
Give it a go!
Great Ideas! You can tell that Jesus is in it. lol
Very nice tutorial. Bravo!
Great video tutorial, I use stereo widening plugin at the master bus always, but very subtly.......the song is dope too.....where can we listen to it from?
Thank you so much for these tutorials.
For those of you wondering about the name of the song... My Story by Country Bandits
Awesome song you working on Rob 👌
My Story Isn’t Pretty, but it’s a New Beginning, because Jesus Is In It 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Great song, and even more Impressive with your stereo ‘surgery’.
Thanks Bob
You have just changed my life entirely.I love you........
your tips are just so helpful, its just amazing. Thank you!
Thank you so much Rob for this and the other vids too. I now have to spend a few days going deep into those 'cheat sheets.' I am particularly excited about the Amp VST one... actually, thinking about it? I'm excited about learning something from ALL of them!
Haha, awesome!
Gonna try these tips on my tracks. Thanks!
These videos are so helpful and to the point!! Thank you!
The BX solo trick made all the difference, its literally one click improvement
this tutorial still banging in 2021;) thanks!
Great Techniques and a Beautiful Track at that.
Great video with depth knowledge. Thanks !
Great tips!! Thank you for the same. As of now.. i found myself using LCR panning and adding stereo effects more... Now i'll add other tips too..
For sure, give them a try!
Great track!
Your crazy bro ! Respect
EQ stereo separation -> You could group/bus all those left and right channels and add one L/R-EQ on that bus to do the same without redundancy and in a much more efficient way if I'm not mixing something up here right!?
Mind Blown
You're videos are great
Appreciate it! Glad we could help!
Very helpful and delivered with your typical combination of friendliness and humility. May I make 2 suggestions? Could you switch from active to bypassed directly? It's harder to notice the differences with a stop and someone saying "And, now, without." Also, since it's a common convention for the bypass button on plugins to light up red when bypassed, could you use the red graphic for bypassed and green for when the plugin is applied? It just makes a lot more sense visually. If you were to do both of those things, it would make learning from your videos much easier and far more intuitive. Thank you again for the wonderful tips and attitude. I really enjoy your videos.
Definitely a must see
Thanks dude! Really helpful definately will be more heavy on the LCR Panning! Also the Brainworx Plugin
Nice! Give it a try!
What is the name of the track? It's so lovely
Man that was awesome !!
Hi bro this is a great video man and you chose a great song,who sings it please?
Okay so the mix already sound pretty stereo before you're adding all these things. To bad we can't really see what you're panning hard but thanks for all the tips. Very helpfull!
Amazing tutorial! Thanks!
Where can i enjoy this full song??? SO GOOD!!!
THANKS mate your videos are great !!! Good explained
GREAT EFFORTS MAN
This is so cool!
this is simply amazing!!!
Fantastic video , thank you very helpful!
Quick question, on the mixing window I saw that you have bus 1 , bus 5 or bus 6 etc. on the output slot but when I open busses they all go directly in stereo output in the output slot. I noticed that if I do your way of sends busses to the output window they sound much quieter.. is there any difference in having busses or stereo output in the output slot ? Thanks in advance
Really informative post , thanks.
Depending on the project, I use 75 left, 75 right panning instead of hard panning.
Does anyone else feel the need to eq Rob´s voice? Sounds a bit muffled.. Big fan here, just wondering :) Please keep the videos coming!
Noted, thanks!
Thanks a lot for these videos...they are really helpful....my only question is what is the difference between a group buss and a mix buss...I seem to get confused with these two...will appreciate your reply or a short video on this. Thanks
Typically we call a group buss a buss where you group one set of instruments (drums, guitars, vocals, etc.) and a mix buss is the entire mix sent to a buss. Hope that helps!
Sounds amazing
Nice, thanks for sharing! :)
Thank you so much for this video! I love your straightforward teaching approach.
I jist habe one question: what is tje difference of the submix and the master fader? You applied the bx-plugin to the submix and not the master out?
Which software are you using?
Great gospel music.
God bless
logic pro
Amazing video! Thank you
thnks a lot broo i was struggling
LCR(mostly) is always happening. Stereo room and other fx, as well.
Great!