Anatomy of a Playback Rig - Episode 2

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  • Опубліковано 24 гру 2024

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  • @RaynaVandel
    @RaynaVandel Місяць тому

    Awesome video! I have a question for you. with the jack to xlr loom, does it matter if they are stereo jacks or mono? I can only find the looms with stereo jacks.

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  Місяць тому +1

      You’re looking for TRS jacks (rather than TS)

    • @RaynaVandel
      @RaynaVandel Місяць тому +1

      @eldowns okay great! I think that's what I found 👍 appreciate you answering my question

  • @mikefinley4367
    @mikefinley4367 3 роки тому

    Great follow up on the first vid.

  • @iConnectivitySupport
    @iConnectivitySupport 4 роки тому +7

    Good video! Gotta get on that iConnectivity life
    Note: On the DI/loom question. Watch that your audio interface has good caps in the outputs. I've seen FOH send power back through and hit the interface an cause damage for some.
    The PlayAUDIO12 has more than 48V caps so you don't have a problem there.

    • @TinoSchulz1990
      @TinoSchulz1990 7 місяців тому

      I'd always put a DI Box between. You never know...

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  7 місяців тому

      @TinoSchulz1990 You never know what?

    • @TinoSchulz1990
      @TinoSchulz1990 7 місяців тому

      @@eldowns AC peaks and stuff. I heard that you should always put a DI Box in between, even if your interface could handle accidental 48v power

  • @raulelmundo
    @raulelmundo 5 років тому +2

    hey eric, did you never run intro problems like ground loops, signal loss or signal interference due to the lack of DI's? i get your point that it's technically not necessary to use DI's for Line-Instruments but, especially if you run long distances (from your rack to the stage box to the front of house) i always thought a balanced signal might not be a bad idea as well as to interrupt the physical circuit (don't know the proper english term) to avoid a ground loop.

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  5 років тому +1

      Hey Paul - nope, I’ve run into this problem 0 times!

    • @PHR
      @PHR 5 років тому +3

      DI is redundant because it is already a balanced signal coming out of the interface as TRS (and terminating in XLRs to interface with the stage box) Using a DI on a TRS is just using the DI as a really expensive and unnecessary TRS to XLR adapter. DIs are intended for TS unbalanced signals, like a bass guitar. Length of cable run isn’t a big issue with balanced signals. Also most modern rigs are digital at the stage box these days so no signal loss from stage to FOH etc.

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  5 років тому +1

      Couldn’t have said it better even if I knew what I was talking about.

  • @mavillah9548
    @mavillah9548 3 роки тому

    Why do you need the loom? What separate feeds are you sending? Doesn't look like your interface has more than a few outs so when you say you are sending TRS to the XLR are you just separating click from the rest or are you giving audio engineer raw out so he can mix to his taste the separate tracks?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому

      The interfaces have 8-10 outs. At minimum, I typically separate stereo tracks, click, and a mono channel of sub.

  • @christiancanalita6487
    @christiancanalita6487 3 роки тому

    Thank you for this video! I'm always looking at ways to upgrade my track rig. I noticed a type of plastic cable organizer on your loom that spreads out the cable. Where can I purchase one of those?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому

      Haha, you can’t. I make those myself.

    • @aaronmichael35
      @aaronmichael35 3 роки тому

      @@eldowns can you show us how to make them?

  • @Boleskinebeatz
    @Boleskinebeatz 2 роки тому

    Hi Eric
    Great video thank you. I have a question regarding the layout of songs in a set.
    If you put all of your songs in one session and use memory locators to toggle between songs would you put tempo markers in the session for each track or how else would you make the grid work with the clicks that are at different BPMs?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  2 роки тому

      The way most people do it is to draw tempo automation into your Master track.

  • @stewartdredd1602
    @stewartdredd1602 3 роки тому

    Hi Eric, I just got the motu mk3 hybrid. From the manual it says the 3-8 outputs are in line level. When sending the signal from these output there are constant peaking in the PA MIXER without turning the gain knob. Would like know how do you send the signal to a level into the PA without the audio signal to hot.

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому +1

      It sounds like they’re coming out of the DAW too hot. Try gaining all your stems down the same amount to create headroom for your PA.

    • @stewartdredd1602
      @stewartdredd1602 3 роки тому

      @@eldowns thanks. Will do that.

  • @monaco727
    @monaco727 5 років тому +1

    Can you provide links to where you get your snakes?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  5 років тому

      Just straight from Amazon. Seismic Audio.

    • @DylanEdmunds
      @DylanEdmunds 3 роки тому

      @@eldowns can't find the seismic trs to xlr male, only female

  • @coyoteserranoband
    @coyoteserranoband 3 роки тому +1

    I've been following thus channel for a while and it's been helping me out so much! I'm using Ableton for live looping guitars, bass, synthesizer and various other instruments. I'm using my Apollo twin and using my MIDI footswitch for easy accessibility and looping. My question is how can I get the best possible sound when I plug in through my PA? Should I be routing my instruments two different outputs? Should I use multiple computers? Should I get a DIY rig? Should I also be playing with my amps?Got any suggestions here for my output sound?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому

      You should only make the setup as complex as it needs to be. Separating the elements is only useful if you have a dedicated sound engineer who wants them separated. Otherwise, send them out a stereo pair. You don’t need two computers. Whether or not you play with amps is entirely up to though.

  • @DTHAW
    @DTHAW 3 роки тому

    What’s that thing called that fans out your XLRs? Got a link?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому

      It’s just a little contraption I made out of zip ties.

  • @rolandwestra306
    @rolandwestra306 4 роки тому

    hey eric, very helpful video. but how do you connect this whit you in ear monitor?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  4 роки тому +1

      Hey, so sorry I missed this. The main way you would do this is by sending all your tracks out to an engineer (monitor or FOH), who would then send you back a mixed feed of everything on stage.
      Alternatively, the hacky way is to keep this next to you on stage and plug your IEMs directly into the headphone output on the interface, then create a separate return track in Ableton and use the Send knobs to create a mix of the tracks for you. Of course, this method does not allow you to hear anything on stage.

  • @reinouddelporte911
    @reinouddelporte911 4 роки тому

    A bit off topic, I couldn't help but notice the wine box in the back. It looked so very familiar, until I noticed my brother used a box from the same wine castle to build his bass rig. I'll try to send you some pics of it via facebook...

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  4 роки тому +1

      I literally have no recollection of where I got that, lol.

    • @reinouddelporte911
      @reinouddelporte911 4 роки тому

      @@eldowns Neither does he, but musicians seem to like this wine :-) I've send some pics via facebook messenger, you might like them.

  • @ronh6703
    @ronh6703 3 роки тому

    Hey so I’m wanting to add a multi effects rack unit to my set up.How do you route your autotune, and is it only possible to send one instrument/voice to it?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому

      It depends - what kind of unit are you using?

  • @TheRunderwood
    @TheRunderwood 3 роки тому

    Eric, I record a lot in Cubase Pro 11, both originals and covers, and I'd like to be able to perform live. Do you have any suggestions as to how to do this? I play all the instruments except drums and I do the vocals and bgv's. I program the drums using EZ Drummer 2. Would I need something as intricate as playback rigs? The shows would be small venues like coffee shops, etc. Love your channel.
    Randy

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому

      I would bounce all my stems down processed, then if you don’t want to use Ableton, just load them into a fresh Cubase session and route your playback from there. You’ll still need an audio interface to convert D to A.

  • @2mx2tv67
    @2mx2tv67 3 роки тому

    I usually use a second computer to process my vocals via autotune on Ableton using a uad Apollo, would you say the tascam is a better route than a whole separate computer?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому

      There’s nothing wrong with using a separate computer, just more expensive and complicated. The Tascam uses the exact same tune engine and can be rack mounted and hard wired.

  • @EasyHeat
    @EasyHeat Рік тому

    As someone currently embarking on a DIY A2E drum conversion adventure? Who's using an old midi 5-dim Roland TD-6V module?
    This technology legitimately just cooked my noodle a bit!
    LMAO!!!
    🙃

  • @CameronSimons
    @CameronSimons 5 років тому

    Dude this is so helpful, thank you! Do you happen to have an Amazon link to the TRS-XLR loom that has worked well for you? Also, which rack case are you using?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  5 років тому

      www.amazon.com/Seismic-Audio-SAXT-8x10M-Channel-Snake/dp/B0053HEHTU/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=8+channel+trs+to+xlr+snake&qid=1560513035&s=gateway&sr=8-5

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  5 років тому +1

      The cases are SKB Fly Racks, 3U and 6U

    • @CameronSimons
      @CameronSimons 5 років тому

      @@eldowns Thank you!

    • @JoeWhettam
      @JoeWhettam 5 років тому +1

      @@eldowns If this isn't an affiliate link I'd make it one, and add it to your bio. You're blessing us and I'd love to bless you back in return.

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  5 років тому +1

      Good point, haha. Let me look into that.

  • @purplehaze47
    @purplehaze47 4 роки тому

    Hey, I know it's been a while since you posted this but I'm struggling to find the answers elsewhere!
    - With the PlayAudio12, you said you ran the mio2 off of it, is that compatible with the "Host" usb port on the PA12? Couldn't find any mention of compatibility in their manuals unfortunately.
    - Your loom that you show has an organiser on it so it doesn't get tangled, I've never seen one of those before and it'd make my life so much easier! What are they called? I'm struggling to find them in google searches haha
    Cheers!

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  4 роки тому +3

      In this rig, the ran the mio out of the PA12 host port, but since then I’ve upgraded it to the MIDI4+/mioXM, which can be more permanently and securely connected via Ethernet.
      The loop organizer is a custom little thing I make. Can’t buy em!

    • @tombartel58
      @tombartel58 4 роки тому

      Thanks for this thread, guys. So I assume that plugging in another Midi interface (MOTU Microlite) into the host port of the Playaudio12 also takes care of midi redundancy?

  • @freifederico
    @freifederico 3 роки тому

    Now this video saved me from buying an 8 channels DI Box at all.

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому +1

      After seeing your previous comment, I was praying you watched this video next, lol.

    • @freifederico
      @freifederico 3 роки тому

      Lol thanks Eric!

  • @stewartdredd1602
    @stewartdredd1602 4 роки тому

    Hi, do you use firewire or usb to run the playback tracks?

  • @koleybolen1314
    @koleybolen1314 5 років тому

    How good is the autotune rack for subtle tuning?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  5 років тому

      I’ve used both the rack and Autotune via Apollo. For the price, the rack does about 80-85% of what the Apollo does, IMO.

  • @kregtaylor
    @kregtaylor 3 роки тому

    Digging these. Im actually a high level audio engineer and i was searching for DIY level multitrack rigs, because i wanted a cheap one for my own music. First tip Dante. Second tip if you get stuck upgrading to the next level ill help you out

    • @kregtaylor
      @kregtaylor 3 роки тому

      When you get to a high level of Audio, you lose track of what works for the cheap side lol

  • @deedrumma1
    @deedrumma1 4 роки тому

    Just saved so much money cause of that loom!!!

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  4 роки тому +1

      You should Venmo me all the money you saved.

  • @jonathansolaas7959
    @jonathansolaas7959 5 років тому

    What computer do you use?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  5 років тому +3

      The golden era of MacBook Pro, which was 2013-2015 Retina w/ 16GB RAM and an SSD. Anything newer is good too, but those were the last years where they still had all their ports.

    • @jonathansolaas7959
      @jonathansolaas7959 5 років тому

      Eric Downs i7?

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  5 років тому +1

      Yep.

  • @willhaul5581
    @willhaul5581 3 роки тому

    Cymatic lp 16 with midi is a way better solution then having to have a laptop and interface. Taking the computer out of the equation eliminates so many headaches. And do everything that you're doing here and eliminate the laptop

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому +1

      There’s a reason virtually no A-level artists use that setup though. On-the-fly arrangement and programming flexibility as well as much more complex MIDI routing capability is an absolute must and the LP16 does not accel in these areas.

    • @willhaul5581
      @willhaul5581 3 роки тому

      @@eldowns apparently you've never used one because you can go through the setlist and arrange on the Fly any song on the setlist and I haven't found any thing that the MIDI is not capable of doing I have the cymatic LP 16 running backing tracks. And the midi is running guitar and bass patches through a helix and it's also running a light show so apparently you don't know what you're talkin about our do not have any knowledge on the cymatic lp 16. And being an arrogant douche bag on top of it just tells me what kind of person you really are have a good day.

    • @furyharpy
      @furyharpy 3 роки тому

      He isn't being arrogant. How do you extend a chorus, middle 8, or send midi changes to a complex keyboard setup? The Cymatic machine will not handle every situation. Want to change the arrangement for live - it means a whole lot of bouncing and a whole new session.

    • @eldowns
      @eldowns  3 роки тому

      Precisely. I never said the LP16 can’t do those things. All I’m saying is that Ableton accels at all of them because the editing interface is also the playback. Ultimately, he’s not arguing with me - he’s arguing with literally all of the A-level touring industry. Oh well.