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This is 100% true , I was on a contract with a giant car company . I had to teach them breakpoints , watchers , uncaught exceptions , OO standards it was very surprising
Getting a job right now is a nightmare, I can code on my own, but most of my friends who landed some internship or job they made a bunch of "projects" which are honestly pathetic, and I know for a fact that they didn't make them themselves, being honest costs.
@@favhwdg no denying things are tough right now -- but things have never been "easy" in this field either. It's a competitive space. Let's dig into your point further though: your friends have "pathetic" projects and they didn't make them on their own and you believe that helped them land jobs? What were they building? Who were they building with? How much was their contribution? (It's actually a much more realistic representation to be building software with others vs building solo - so maybe they're able to demonstrate some of these things effectively in their resume and/or interviews)
Before AI the title would say search engine. Before search engine the title would say "Book". Before book the title would say "Reasoning". Before reasning the title would say....... .... AI is just a tool.
2:51 This is the bane of learning software these days. There are _so_ many tutorials, _tons_ of answers on Stack Exchange, but very few of them teach coding from scratch.
Indeed, some believe they can write code in their own way without thinking it through. Despite being taught from us, they may disregard the guidance, which can be quite frustrating. Unfortunately, there are those who do not commit to learning.
Yup -- but we need to keep learning! I have no problems with LLMs but I want people to challenge the output, understand it, etc... We need to keep the learning machine going!
@@DevLeader I completely agree with you! We aim to impart this knowledge to them. It's crucial for them to comprehend the content written by these tools. Regrettably, some individuals disregard our guidance and persist in copying and pasting, continuously asking questions on ChatGPT to progress to the next step of their task is what disheartens me. It's the fact that some individuals still won't listen, regardless of the effort made.
Well, learning takes more effort than having AI do the effort for you. I wonder if “efficiency” is going too far to the point whether it’s not worth learning anymore when you can just pump out “productivity” using AI. I hope I’m conveying my thoughts well, cuz idk how to word it other than… “Efficiency for Productivity” > “Accuracy through Sufficiency” Because making programs _that work_ is more expensive than _making programs work_ if you know what I mean At least where I work (Retail in Wally World), it’s that way. Idk how tech corpos work but I feel like they are the same Edit: Fixed typos
@joevaghn457 yeah -- it's uncomfortable for me but it'll be interesting to see if the next wave of software developers can truly lean into AI and be effective to the point where the really didn't need to learn the way many of us did 🤷♂️
Wait they don't know how to make a struct or function??? That's like super basic. A struct is a pseduo object that holds a bunch of variables. Like a car stuct, that holds name, yearmade, price etc.... A function is a chunkof resuable code you can call that call by invoking the function name. It can return a value, set a new value for an object, or print something to your console. Like that's some serious skill issue. Because that's 201 stuff.
@@NobleAbsinthe I don't think it's clear that they don't know what it is, but it appears that they don't know the syntax -- I think that's all we can tell from what the author wrote. I know what both of these things are, but if you asked me to go write it in rust or C++ or something else I don't program in, I would absolutely need to go consult a web search. ... Or ask an LLM.
@ I should have watched more before jumping the gun. Yeah I think it might just be a syntax thing. And I never thought about it. When changing languages there's that shifting of gears feeling when having to do the same kinda work.
This is why you only hire people that have built working stuff. I hate JS I stick with ELM and Laravel and PACT. But really part of the job is being able to read docs and pick up new things. But that is a skill in and of itself. Coding from scratch takes YEARS you have to know the entire syntax.
I think in this context they *did* hire someone that has built working software. Sounds like how they built it was the part that was different than expected 🙂 There's not enough context from the original poster to know if this new hire was actually under performing or if they were just navigating a language that was new to them (and using tools the more senior engineer wasn't fond of).
I am more amused by the fact that people that can’t code entirely and only rely on AI, make it to a team entirely 🤯 Very good information, thanks Nick.
It's interesting, right? They're able to demonstrate their abilities successfully in the interview at least! So there's SOME level of understanding outside of the LLMs
@@DevLeader As long there is a level of understanding. The rest can be thought via vetting from more senior developers. But totally relying of these tools is a red flag in my opinion. I have been tinkering with GEMENI for code review, and performance reviews, and it is interesting to see the grate point it makes to spark critical thinking, and kind of help you thinking to see area for improvement. But I never rely on it for generating code for me to build on top of it. I think starting from a blank document is the fun part for coding anyway.
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This is 100% true , I was on a contract with a giant car company . I had to teach them breakpoints , watchers , uncaught exceptions , OO standards it was very surprising
AI tools are helping drive a TON of progress but there's an interesting side effect that some of the basics are being overlooked. Pretty fascinating!
Getting a job right now is a nightmare, I can code on my own, but most of my friends who landed some internship or job they made a bunch of "projects" which are honestly pathetic, and I know for a fact that they didn't make them themselves, being honest costs.
@@favhwdg no denying things are tough right now -- but things have never been "easy" in this field either. It's a competitive space.
Let's dig into your point further though: your friends have "pathetic" projects and they didn't make them on their own and you believe that helped them land jobs?
What were they building? Who were they building with? How much was their contribution?
(It's actually a much more realistic representation to be building software with others vs building solo - so maybe they're able to demonstrate some of these things effectively in their resume and/or interviews)
@DevLeader solo calculator cli .exe's and i am not even joking, the best one of those made a student grading system, also an exe no sql or anything...
LLMs can help good programmers a lot in efficiency. But they can completely sidetrack novice programmers.
@@vast634 I feel like I agree with this -- but I'm curious to see if/when and how a learning paradigm shift takes place 🙂
Before AI the title would say search engine. Before search engine the title would say "Book". Before book the title would say "Reasoning". Before reasning the title would say....... ....
AI is just a tool.
@@aev6075 I agree -- it's very interesting to watch the hesitancy though!
Incroyable.
2:51 This is the bane of learning software these days. There are _so_ many tutorials, _tons_ of answers on Stack Exchange, but very few of them teach coding from scratch.
Indeed, some believe they can write code in their own way without thinking it through. Despite being taught from us, they may disregard the guidance, which can be quite frustrating. Unfortunately, there are those who do not commit to learning.
Yup -- but we need to keep learning!
I have no problems with LLMs but I want people to challenge the output, understand it, etc... We need to keep the learning machine going!
@@DevLeader I completely agree with you! We aim to impart this knowledge to them. It's crucial for them to comprehend the content written by these tools. Regrettably, some individuals disregard our guidance and persist in copying and pasting, continuously asking questions on ChatGPT to progress to the next step of their task is what disheartens me. It's the fact that some individuals still won't listen, regardless of the effort made.
Well, learning takes more effort than having AI do the effort for you. I wonder if “efficiency” is going too far to the point whether it’s not worth learning anymore when you can just pump out “productivity” using AI. I hope I’m conveying my thoughts well, cuz idk how to word it other than…
“Efficiency for Productivity” > “Accuracy through Sufficiency”
Because making programs _that work_ is more expensive than _making programs work_ if you know what I mean
At least where I work (Retail in Wally World), it’s that way. Idk how tech corpos work but I feel like they are the same
Edit: Fixed typos
@joevaghn457 yeah -- it's uncomfortable for me but it'll be interesting to see if the next wave of software developers can truly lean into AI and be effective to the point where the really didn't need to learn the way many of us did 🤷♂️
Arnold tried to warn us.
@@LukeAvedon he did, it's true.
Wait they don't know how to make a struct or function??? That's like super basic. A struct is a pseduo object that holds a bunch of variables. Like a car stuct, that holds name, yearmade, price etc.... A function is a chunkof resuable code you can call that call by invoking the function name. It can return a value, set a new value for an object, or print something to your console. Like that's some serious skill issue. Because that's 201 stuff.
@@NobleAbsinthe I don't think it's clear that they don't know what it is, but it appears that they don't know the syntax -- I think that's all we can tell from what the author wrote.
I know what both of these things are, but if you asked me to go write it in rust or C++ or something else I don't program in, I would absolutely need to go consult a web search.
... Or ask an LLM.
@ I should have watched more before jumping the gun. Yeah I think it might just be a syntax thing. And I never thought about it. When changing languages there's that shifting of gears feeling when having to do the same kinda work.
Amazing Video. I came here from the linkedin post and I had no idea I was in for some wisdom!
Absolutely nailed it Nick!
@@pratikthorat3480 very glad that you enjoyed it 😁 thanks for checking it out!
This is why you only hire people that have built working stuff. I hate JS I stick with ELM and Laravel and PACT. But really part of the job is being able to read docs and pick up new things. But that is a skill in and of itself. Coding from scratch takes YEARS you have to know the entire syntax.
I think in this context they *did* hire someone that has built working software. Sounds like how they built it was the part that was different than expected 🙂
There's not enough context from the original poster to know if this new hire was actually under performing or if they were just navigating a language that was new to them (and using tools the more senior engineer wasn't fond of).
I also found this post fascinating.
It's going to be very very weird (good and bad!) in the upcoming years to see how things evolve!
welcome to the future old man
@@Manwith6secondmemory I'm pretty sure I'm in support of things changing so... 🤷♂️ I don't get your comment haha
@@DevLeader oh haha, did not mean to be offensive was just saying that, its a common joke/phrase
@@DevLeader I agree, AI is too integrated, critical thinking is officially gone
I am more amused by the fact that people that can’t code entirely and only rely on AI, make it to a team entirely 🤯
Very good information, thanks Nick.
It's interesting, right? They're able to demonstrate their abilities successfully in the interview at least! So there's SOME level of understanding outside of the LLMs
@@DevLeader As long there is a level of understanding. The rest can be thought via vetting from more senior developers. But totally relying of these tools is a red flag in my opinion.
I have been tinkering with GEMENI for code review, and performance reviews, and it is interesting to see the grate point it makes to spark critical thinking, and kind of help you thinking to see area for improvement. But I never rely on it for generating code for me to build on top of it.
I think starting from a blank document is the fun part for coding anyway.
I like yaml
@@LukeAvedon we don't tolerate lies on this channel! 😂
@@DevLeader LOL!