I think the megacorp idea explains the future 'mons perfectly. They're all uniform even in naming convention, area all fully evolved pokemon and strong ones at that. It's easy to assume someone's weaponizing pokemon in this alternate timeline. Perhaps one where Team Rocket's MewTwo project was a rousing success. I'd like to learn more of what brought them out, but right now I'm just really wanting iron waifubot.
Add the detail that the reason all have Iron in the name is due to all of them be part of a Series. Like, every one of them are a model. (Iron bundle model Iron thorns model Iron hands model, etc.)
there is another theory regarding the Paradox Pokémon and that is that they actually aren't from the past or future rather from the imagination as it all comes down to the Scarlet/Violet Book with the blocked off letters
@@torterratortellini6641 Or an alternate timeline where humans did not exist? Don't forget timelines were established during the events of Ultra Sun/Moon where the evil teams won in their timelines, and in Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire where Zinnia refused to let the player character continue their original plan of sending the meteor away because it might hit a timelime/world that could not protect itself (reference to Pokemon Emerald)
Would this happen to have something to do with the mysterious unknown legendary that the Professor encounter after getting separated from the rest of the expedition team?
I think it makes sense that the future are more uniform as the world becomes more uniform. But I do wished they did something more than just robots like cyborgs or fused combinations like iron valiant.
Yeah, I’m thinking stuff like Eeveelutions that are more disconnected from Eevee, a Dragon/Flying-type Garchomp adapted to be better at flight, etc. Hoping that future DLC or games give Future Paradoxes that are clearly organic.
@@MatheusFerreira-mu6lu yeah, same. If they’re advanced enough to make a former athlete into a freaking metal Pokemon to keep them from dying, they probably should be able to recreate organic material. Or at least organic looking material. The designs aren’t bad, it’s just that almost all future settings go for that one robotic look. Played Violet while my partner simultaneously went through Scarlet, and during the last fight in Area Zero I kept saying how much more I preferred the Scarlet choice of Pokemon and handling the theme over Violet.
I always felt that this was a missed opportunity. You could had great ideas like: - A futuristic Chansey that has been turned into an incubator - A futuristic Remoraid that’s a ray gun that evolves into a Octillery that’s a futuristic tank - A Salamence that nevered learned to fly, so now it is always angry due to a broken dream - Klink, Klang, and Klinklang made out of stone instead of metal - A wooden and or laser sword Aegislash - Iron Thorns, but they out right admit that It was made by people who are a fan of Mecha Tyranitar
The Klink line idea wouldn’t really work since they canonically didn’t exist until shortly before the events of BW where they suddenly appeared, seemingly out of nowhere
Honestly they could have pulled the whole concept off better, like in the past pokemon were able to grow bigger and more wild, but down the line they get less wild because of humans and pokemon forming a bond over the time passed til pokemon are smaller and have less of a defensive/dangerous look to them. Then into the future some Pokemon are going extinct and so they had to start recreating and/or enhancing them in the future til they become a vague likeness of the original
I've also seen a theory floating around about how the "time machine" isn't really a time machine and it is instead creating these paradox pokemon from the professors imaginations, as Arven points out in the post game, Great Tusk/Iron Treads were documented in the Scarlet/Violet book long before the "time machine" was made which is what inspired Sada/Turo to build the "time machine" which according to this theory formed the other paradox pokemon and additional Great Tusks/Iron Treads from Sada and Turo's imagined ideas of other past/future pokemon, part of this theory is that the "3rd legendary" is responsible for this, there's also the fact that there's very little info on the past paradoxes despite the fact that if they really are past versions of pokemon there should be evidence of their existence like fossils and such.
Another explanation could be that either the time machine sent some back in time or somehow the original expedition ends up in the present time. I've seen some rumors that Heath might be featured in DLC somehow, so perhaps he got brought forward in time, saw the paradox pokemon post-time machine, then went back to write about them in the book. It would sure make them live up to the name "Paradox" pokemon, which is currently a bit strange rather than just calling them prehistoric/future pokemon.
One thing to note is that in real life, fossils are hard to form and there are likely many organisms who have existed yet never had any fossil formed, or at least we haven’t found them yet.
Not a jab at you but fossils are extraordinarily hard to form. You need just the right environment for the process to go off. There's a reason why a lot of ancient marine animals aren't known and why something like Megalodon or insects aren't largely preserved.
that would literally be the SHITTIEST plot twist ever LMAOOO please NO also, not nearly 1% of living creatures lived in spaces prone to forming fossils, bro... ALSO, it's a time machine, man... it has no ties or limits when it comes to time related stuff. Probably the time machine was sending those pokémon to all sorts of different times other than the "present" as an accident and creating that PARADOX (you know what they did there) where the professor created the time machine to fulfill a curiosity for a pokémon that was documented thanks to the time machine itself sending pokémon to the wrong time...
@@MatheusFerreira-mu6lu in the scarlet/violet books, there's a drawing of an "imagined pokemon" that's a fusion of the legendary beasts/swords of justice. why would they include that if not for it to appear in some future dlc?
I’d be down to see a battle between Paradox Pokemon and Ultra Beasts. Also I imagine if the Paradox Pokemon were akin to regional variants rather than Ultra Beasts. I could totally see the future Paradox Pokemon being in Mineral while the past are all part of the Monster egg group alongside one of their original egg groups.
I'd bet on Ultra Beasts. They wouldn't be in whatever programming the Future Paradox Pokémon have, and they'd be so strange to the Ancient Paradox Pokémon that they'd be caught off guard.
@@ZXaria regular pokemon can battle ultra beasts just fine, so i don't see why ancient ones would have any issue. also, who said the future mons need to be programmed to recognize something? they recognize modern pokemon without any problems.
@@gregorymirabella1423 Yeah, I'm completely wrong on the Ancient Ones, but I do have something to say about the Future Paradox mons even though I actually disagree with my initial point. Future Mons recognizing Modern Mons alright makes total sense, since...they already know about them? Future is after the present?
UBs are a Legendary-level treath and way too variated, that's why the Tapus had to interfere and why the Aether Fnd. made Syllvally based off of Arceus Paradox don't seem to be as powerful (aside from the Bikes, and prolly the DLC Quimeras) just way more aggresive and dangerous than most mons
Personally I like the theory that the time machine isnt actually a time machine and is instead just creating pokemon that sada/turo think they will find from the books they read as kids, explaining the design similaritys and lack of evos.
it also aligns with the opposite 'dex version's entries basically saying "these are pokemon from kooky theories some wackjob put in a conspiracy theorist magazine"
@@rokkraljkolesa9317 that just a magazine detailing paradox pokemon sightings from the scarlet/violet book, but its just gussing how those pokemon came to be (big foot vibes) thats why the names for paradox are so random too, not ofgual just fan made.
Honestly, I'd love to see more Paradox Pokemon down the line. Perhaps they could even work in aspects that were on the cutting room floor, like say, having a past Raichu that borrows from the cut Gorochu, or a future Octillery that draws from its tank-like beta design.
I recommend checking out Bulbbyboi, a 2D and 3D artist, and his fan-made Paradox Pokémon. They look absolutely phenomenal and his future paradoxes put most of the official ones in Violet to shame (save for Iron Valiant, imo). My personal favorites of Bulbby’s fan-makes are Primal Sun, Iron Hunter, and Iron Synthesis.
I wish we got a future Dragapult and Garchomp. One could be a "ghost in a machine" And the other I could see being "Steel sail" an all terrain mech that can swim through sand air and even the sea with ease.
I hated it when I first saw the trailers, but seeing it properly in game has drastically changed my opinion on it, especially because of how cool it looks when rolling. I still prefer Great Tusk, but Iron Treads is still MUCH better than I initially thought.
_I actually like Iron Treads more than Great Tusk, I wanted Donphan to get an ancient evolution just like its counterpart Ursaring with Ursaluna but the existence of a past paradox Donphan means that we will probably never get it, so yeah, Great Tusk disappointed me a lot._
@@geg708 Never say never. Something about the term "Paradox" and the fact that you can't get your exiting versions of these Pokémon to become Paradox forms through any form of evolution makes me think that none of these paradox Pokemon were meant to exist in this entire TIMELINE, let along time period, thus aren't actually connected to the Pokemon we know at all. Like they didn't actually exist, nor will exist, in this world's future or past at all, and instead came from entirely parallel timelines. Seriously, GF could potentially take this concept anywhere. For all we know, Scarlet and Violet could end up getting DLC that connects to the "true" past and future of Paldea that has regional evolutions like Hisui did, and the DLC occurs because the time traveling professor AI accident caused some other kind of damage to the timeline. This is all a just a theory of course, I'm just saying, if I can come up with this idea, there's a chance a GF writer could do something similar, so I don't think you should give up hope. Plus we've seen Meowth get regional variants two generations in a row, so there's still a possibility that one will come for Donphan next Gen, even if we didn't get one here.
I have heard of some theories that yeah, some mega corp ended up robotizing pokemon in order to make them into weapons. Iron Treads being a type of tank. Iron Hands being a type of guard bot. Iron Bundle being a spy toy that can go all kill mode when it sees a problem. Iron Moth being an anti aircraft weapon. And Iron Valiant being almost like a terminator bot with how powerful it is. Now of course these are just theories and the dex entries don't help us much. Hell, Iron Jugulius is said to be a cross between Hydreigon getting it on with a robot. So we can't really get a good grasp on these pokemon fully. But I would say there is some merit to them. But I do also agree, would of prefer if they were all "Chrome" instead of "Iron". IDK, Iron just sounds a lot more primitive compared to chrome.
I don’t care what people say about the rest of the futuristic Pokémon, all I know is that Iron Valiant is single handily one of the coolest Pokémon ever! A Gardevoir/Gallade fused android with a freakin energy scythe is undoubtedly badass!
This would’ve been the perfect generation to create a new Eeveelution tbh. Techneon could be exclusive to Violet version while Drakeon could’ve been exclusive to Scarlet.
I like that THEORY (hehe) where these paradox Pokémon actually do not exist in the past/future, but are a child's dream given form by that mysterious third legendary. Just think about it, when a kid thinks about such a distant future, most of the times they think "robots" right? Also, it explains the naming process of these paradoxes.
The names come from the dubious magazine wich is meant to resemble beast like big foot wich is why the names are so simple compare the legendary wich was given a real name to the professor. I see why would people would like thst theory but it just feels cheap like the the "it was all a dream" twist been so overused.
What are your thoughts on the theory that Paradox Pokémon aren't real, but were manifestations of what Professor Sada/Turo saw as the Past/Future based on a dubious Sci-Fi Magazine?
they actually came from earlier than that, the author of the Scarlet Violet books saw them, which Arven points out as being odd since he thought his parent discovered them
@xord6286 The game also says that many people believe that book was actually fake, and the guy who wrote it just made up what he saw as there is zero evidence of the pokemon outside of what he said.
Honestly, I agree about the uniformity of the Future Paradox Pokemon being a bit of a letdown. That being said, it's a VERY minor issue to me, and I still love all of them to death and collectively like them much more than the past Paradox forms. I don't think the past Paradox forms are bad or edgy though, in fact I like most of both the past and future Paradox forms even more than the originals. Especially Iron Bundle, or as I called the one I trained: "Deli-Bot".
I haven't gotten far enough into Pokemon to reach these guys (thank Fire Emblem for finally catching my attention) but I do like the *THEORY* of them being from a megacorp. Maybe that'll be whatever expansion they think of. Who knows.
I find it interesting you didn't bring up the "not actually from time" theory when discussing them. I'm skeptical myself but it's an interesting theory, and it does explain traits of these paradoxes. For any uninitiated there's a theory that instead of a time machine this is a "make it reality" machine where it takes the things from the book and brings the Pokemon to life. So for example the "Iron" in the names may be because the person who wrote the book liked uniformity, or lacked the creativity to give them a different name. The theory even discusses the idea that Sada/Turo are the ones who created these Pokemon as children in the book. So in that case you'd have a child who used a lot of wild adjectives, and a child who wanting to keep everything uniform used a labeling style name system for consistency with the designs. Kinda gives some personality traits to the two of them. That all is of course if the theory is correct, as it does have quite a few holes. Either way I like these fish out of water Pokemon, they're all really fun. Even if they have some questionable implications about the future world of Pokemon.
what supports the theory is that the opposite version's 'dex entries state that the paradox pokemon are featured in a paranormal/dubious magazine, and that the technology only works in the crater the Sada-/Turobot states that they can't function outside the crater, because the technology required for an AI just doesn't exist yet, as well as the region having a big theme of art and creativity (a gym leader being an artist and an E4 member being an art teacher, for example)
@@Rprot_traveler But it wouldn't be 'it was all a dream'. It's an entity turning dreams into reality. Something the franchise has explored before namely Unown have been shown to warp reality to the point where they can create nothing from something like in the 3rd anime movie. The theory suggest whatever this unknown legendary is has a similar but even stronger power where it can create something from nothing and whatever creates becomes real.
@@salderr From what I've heard it usually has to do with how someone could say they saw something and recorded it in a book in the past if they created the machines that went on to create those beings at a later time. Basically, how could the expedition team see something like Great Tusk and record it's existence if the "time machine" hadn't been invented yet. If it's a make dreams reality machine this wouldn't make a ton of sense, unless it's both able to create things AND place them within other parts of time.
I love the idea robotic Pokémon, and I feel that the uniformity and streamlining of the future Pokémon has a bit more symbolism and a point. Not to discredit what you said at all cause I’m not talking about the crucial execution, but nonetheless that was my take
Ultra Beasts started off as completely distinct Pokémon, but Ultra Sun and Moon showed they could evolve through Poipole and Naganadel being introduced. It’s possible we could see more Paradoxes be added and with the potential to evolve maybe
I absolutely want to see more Paradox Pokémon but I don't want to see one evolve personally because it'll take up Dex slots but if it has to happen, then make it a one time thing like Naganadel.
If anything the Gardevour/Gallade should have been the start. Take two Pokémon with different male or female forms and FUSE them. Or even regional variants as it would have been interesting. It was the paradox pokemon that sealed the deal for me on which game to get. If the paradox on violets side I liked iron valiant, but that was it. Loved the uniform for Violet as it’s not as terrible and CAN be worked with. I’m half wondering if they did the uniforms so they could do the graphics of you moving easier or something. Don’t know but it’s the main thing I can think of as the uniform to me should have only been a while at the school or during gym challenges. The treasure hunt is about finding yourself for the students. This seems the opposite of wearing a school uniform as it’s less freedom to explore or express yourself. School and the gym challenge would have been a good ‘there is a time and place to wear it’ as a means to prepare for the work environment. Beyond that just hate the whole aspect of the uniform. Because even with the other things you can change it’s not really something you can do without making the player characters look horrible more often then not.
-Froslass and Glalie- Iron Freezer(Ice/Fairy) -Mothim and Wormadam- Iron Insect(Big/Normal) -Nidoking and Nidoqueen- Iron Needles(Poison/Steel) -Gyrados and Milotic- Iron Setphant(Water/Dragon) -Magmortar and Electivire- Iron Energy(Fire/Electric) -Bewear and Pangoro- Iron Menace(Normal/Dark)
One thing I see people complain about is the Paradox names for Violet are bad and I can't disagree enough. People have to remember that explorers in Imperial Paldea way back when were the ones who originally named the Paradox pokemon recorded in the Violet book. They wrote about what they saw and they had no way of properly taming these pokemon to study them and assign them proper names like Turo did with Miraidon.
It us mostly explained outside of the main story so most people don't get it, but youtubers should mention that since it is goes so easy under the radar.
@@Rprot_traveler Yeah the books themselves are important, but most don't know about the book or the fact you can read and learn about it in the school.
I personally very much enjoy the talks of Pokemon and art design. As for the Paradox Pokemon, I'm not a big fan of how in general their names are just titles instead of the usual pormanteau naming scheme. As for the Pokemon themselves I think most of them are fine but I have to say, there's only a few I find very intereseting (like Great Tusks or Iron Bundle). I feel like this concept could be expanded a bit (especially with the future forms) but for what they are now, they're alright.
I think naming wise (in-game) depends on what Sara and Turo wanted to name them (making them the lamest professors ever). In Arceus, you had a team of people (the player, the helper, the professor and the whole Galactic institution) that probably helped with the naming. Same with other teams/labs, the professor is rarely alone or isolated. But that's not the case in Scarlet/Violet. The professors job was kinda secretive and barely anyone knew of it (Arven aside).
@@icarue993 the thing is, the Professor only named ONE of the Paradoxes, that being Koraidon/Miraidon, all the others only have the name of the things that they resemble from the Scarlet/Violet Book, even Koraidon and Miraidon have names from the Book to match all the other Paradoxes, those being "Winged King" and "Iron Serpent".
I find it totally weird for someone who love Super Sentai or Tokusatsu in general have complain about the future Paradox why their name starts with Iron really kicked off the Sentai naming conventionally in my point of view, most of Super Sentai are just named after their squad name + their respective colors, and that to me is very interesting compared to the ancient Paradox also, most of their design reminds me of Gekiranger of some sort
"I find it totally weird for someone who love Super Sentai or Tokusatsu in general have complain about the future Paradox" ... I explained my issues with it though, and there really isn't anything to justify the uniformity. "most of their design reminds me of Gekiranger of some sort" ... The kung fu Sentai? What?
My headcanon was that they figured out about the time machine then in the future built a plant outside of where the time machine is sending out all the pokeballs that makes the robot pokemon as a joke to fuck with the past
i personally really like both naming conventions. the past names remind me of the names ancient tribes would give unusual creatures that they spot, and the future ones remind me of simple codenames researchers would give to test subjects, which really fits the aesthetics of the two games. also, i like the idea of some corporation weaponizing these strong pokemon causing them to appear robotic, but i personally prefer the idea that their "evolution" into these chrome creatures was semi-natural, such as some sort of future infinity energy shortage that caused them to rely more on technology
I think we should still wait to really have an opinion on the Paradox mons until the DLC comes in. That's when we're really gonna get answers to the Origins for them and all-
I like to think that Past paradoxes are actual ancestors of modern pokemon, i think it's also interesting that some of them are not fully evolved, like we have Magneton instead of magnezone and Misdreavus instead of Mismagius. This telld us that modern pokemon found a way to evolve only recently, and in the past some of them stayed as 2 stagers or single stagers. Future pokemon are interesting to me too, because they are soulless robot versions of normal mons. I have a theory that they came from a far far future, where every pokemon got extinct or replaced with far more better metalic counterpart. I think some of these robots function more like tools with different jobs. And Miraidon is a cyborg and not a robot intirely, because it feels alive and feels emotions and feelings.
I mean look at the Pokémon that haven’t evolved. Misdreavus, Magneton, Jigglypuff, they’re all stone evolutions. I think you might be right about evolutionary stones being a recent development.
I prefer the theory that the Past Paradox Pokémon aren't actually the ancestors of present day Pokémon, due to the fact that one of them is directly mentioned to have no fossils or any other records of it actually existing in ancient times, that being Slither Wing. What that means, is that if ONE of them is confirmed to not have any traces of it actually living in the distant past, it's likely none of the others have any traces either, especially Brute Bonnet and Sandy Shocks, both Paradoxes that make no sense to have existed that far back at all, with no real mention of them having been actually confirmed to exist so long ago, especially looking the way they do, like seriously, you expect me to believe that a mushroom was mimicking something that wouldn't exist for several 1000's of years at LEAST? Then there's the screws on Sandy Shocks... it just makes more sense that they were completely made up in the first place... then somehow made real by the power of the "time" machine powered by the Disk Pokemon's Crystals...
I’m hoping that they expand upon Paradox Pokémon in the future. I feel like the Future Paradoxes were done dirty by all being seemingly-robotic versions of Pokémon. I was kinda hoping for something like speculative evolution, but I do love my theory that I made to explain it that Pokémon can incorporate existing technology into their bodies.
To be honest the only two paradox Pokemon I don’t really vibe with are iron thorn and jugulis. They just feel too samey to their og counterparts for my liking. The rest have enough differences that I can chill with them. Also my theory for why we don’t have paradox mon of wigglytuff and the rest is simply because stuff like moon stones don’t really exist or common at this time period (or whatever’s going on with them)therefore their bodies don’t have a reaction to it like their present counterparts do. Is it a foolproof theory no… but it’s just a quick thought. Overall I’ll give the paradox mon’s a 7/10. Pretty solid but could use some more work.
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Iron Thorns for me at least has a more unique typing while jugulis feels more similar because hydreigon already had levitate and it typing and design feel like a big downgrade
I'm no longer so concerned about things like IV training and breeding (at least for the future pokemon on the breeding part) now that Hypertraining via bottle caps and mints exists. It's now tradition for me to hypertrain my starter pokemon, even if I don't plan on using them too often
Theory: The one thing that stood out to me was that when you get a chance to talk to arven during post game, he talks about the fact that the paradox pokemon you guys found were mentioned in the book. Yet, he also states that his parent made the time machine roughly 10 years ago but rhe notes about the paradox pikemon were from hundreds of years ago. So he wonders where the pokemon actually came from. Most people subscribe to the thought of the pikemon coming into being thanks to imagination and I suspect this is possibly the best one, but to add to it, the rumored pokemon in the scar/viol book is a paracitic/nanomachine type pokemon that makes random pokemon or (thanks to sada/turo) creates new pokemon
Part of why I love these oddballs is part of the reason I like the Ultra Beasts. One half, too savage to be considered tameable. The other half, too mechanized to be considered alive. Only the truly compassionate _(or the completely insane)_ would ever see past the terrifying and unnatural, and view these monsters as Pokemon worthy of love and affection like any other.
Mangakamen I also agree with your issues/have similar feelings about Future Paradox Pkmns. I really did enjoy the Ancient variants compared to the Future variants we got, especially since some of my favorites pkmns got the Future treatment instead and essentially got simple basic robotical versions of themselves. Like Slitherwing essentially being a Volcarona that stayed as a big Larvesta that never evolved to fly like a moth is so much better than Iron Moth who essentially got solar panel wings but practically looks the same. If they could at least have added some mechanical parts (similar to Genesect getting a weapon mounted on his back) just to hit further the theory that these pkmns possibly come from a future where some mad scientist had the horrible idea of automation/robotization of these pkmns with the goal to make them stronger compare to original counterpart like Iron Bundle vs Delibird. Like if it's normal for Blastoise to have some cannons inside his shell, it wouldn't be too farfetched that all these Future Paradox Pkmns have some sort of mechanical robotic weapon added inside of them. Like maybe Iron Jugulis having some laser cannon added inside of it's mouths, and having his tail also become another head or having a laser cannon attached to it or something, just to show that these pkmns have been at least modified even through their exoskeleton looks similar to their normal counterpart. Imagine if Iron Jugulis was the Mecha Ghidorah version of Hydreigon and used some of the original concepts they had for him. Instead Iron Jugulis just feels "safe" and in that sense disappointing compare to some of the other interesting ones like Iron Valiant, Miraidon or any of the Ancient Pkmns we got.
I was very disappointed by the future Pokémon just being robots. As soon as the trailer showed Iron Treads, I immediately jumped from wanting Violet to wanting Scarlet. Although I won't deny I have a soft spot for Iron Hands because I loved Hariyama growing up and Electric is my favorite type. But I adore the dinosaurified Ancient Pokémon and was hoping for some hyper-evolved Pokémon as their counterparts. Although someone told me the Future ones are actually cyborgs and not robots. Also, Iron Bundle is allegedly not from the future but actually the past according to the books in-game, which makes it VERY interesting to me. Also Iron Jugulis, huge missed opportunity to make it look like a literal tank like Hydreigon's original design. Probably my least favorite of the future ones because it's *just* a robot Hydreigon
I’d have assume with the Mega Corp pokemon, perhaps (and granted this a theory that conceptually revolves around Donphan (Elephants)) were hunted into extinction and made in labs like Mewtwo and Genesect. Porygon is currently an outlier until we get the paradox ancient Porygami.
Considering they're call Paradoxes, maybe they aren' being pulled from one linear point of time, but a hypothetical point of time that would be possible. Much like how we won't know what the future holds or how certain points in history are left obsured my the passage of time, but could very be possible directions based on current knowledge. The Scarlet "Imaginary Pokemon" is probably the biggest example of this. We know the Beasts were 'something' prior to the Silver Tower in Johto burning, but 'what' exactly we don't know really and that illustration in the Book could simply be one possible interpretation of what they use to be or at least what their primal ancestors were.
I agree with the future names being too uniform and with Iron Valiant being the next best future paradox besides miraidon (honorable mention to iron moth though), I wish we got more fusions and/or a cyborg. But oh well. At least I have the Wallynator
I do like the theory talk about the Paradox Pokemon and do hope that either we see more in the future or for any future DLC (because it does feel like we will be getting some DLC for S/V). But yeah, Future Paradox pokemon are kind of a shame if they were all called "Iron." Either give them different kinds of Iron names or maybe some mutated forms or something (and don't say it would be too dark to see a mutated pokemon when Ghost Pokemon have some pretty dark stories in their own right). Honestly, part of me thought there could have been a chance we could have "mutated" existing pokemon into paradox forms (thus to explain how we could have evolved our cycle pokemon into a legendary form of the past or future) like a sort of way to return to mega evolutions. A good step in the right direction, but definitely one that needs to get some expansions to it in order to properly sell it.
I doubt it would happen but I would LOVE for the DLC to give us Past Paradox Pokemon... of the Fossils from Galar. But they are the TRUE versions, not the Chimeras. A lightning raptor, a dragon spino (or some other theropod), water megaldon, and ice krono
I’m quite fond of the robot Pokémon I think they’re a good addition for the game since violet is focused on the future and scarlet is focused on primitive Pokémon
I like the megacorp idea, but it needs to have more canon things hinting at it other than a THEORY about design elements. Also as someone who only has Violet version, I kinda wish I got Scarlet because of the paradox Pokemon. I really want to hunt a Shiny Fluttermane, Roaring Moon, Slither Wing... While I was only interested in shiny hunting Iron Valiant (I nicknamed it Pixl) Also opinions on Turo/Sada's reveal about being AI? Because it literally came out of nowhere, at the most I found a book on my way down to the Area Zero mega base (which is way to late to hunt at something like that). And I instead thought "oh Turo cloned himself! So maybe there will be two Turos! That would be kinda funny". It's my only problem with the game narratively speaking other than Arven getting shafted at the end, but I always thought "oh, he's in charge of catering the School Brawl"
Arven says that he basically hasn't seen his parent in years, and you only ever see the professor on a computer screen until the very end, which would either mean they're either too busy with their research or can't meet him in person I actually thought the "two Turos" thing was hinting towards an AI assistant based on the professor's own mind and not "I made an android copy of myself" when I got to that point
I like to think that the future Paradox Pokemon aren’t robots but are the modern Pokemon they’re based off that have adapted to the future. It is a stretch, but when you think about how a majority of them aren’t steel types so they can’t have steel resistances like Iron Valiant to poison and Iron Bundle to grass, function as much as they like without the use of an internal battery, no signs of ports or electrical sockets on them at all, and able to consume natural herbs and get their nutrients like the Iron Treads Titan, it sounds more like their artificial look is just for show. Violet’s Paradox Pokemon is so rich with potential of what they are without writing them off as “Robots”. They could not be affected by EMPs and don't short circuit when submerged in water just like normal everyday Pokemon. I mean, their animations aren’t even robotic like when you compare them to the AI professors and their animations. It oddly makes more sense than certain Scarlet Paradox Pokemon that have tails with spines and Sandy Shocks being in that time period. Not that I am bashing on Scarlet’s Paradox Pokemon, I love them all even Sandy Shocks and how silly and awesome it is. The term Paradox Pokemon is also a interesting subject to dive in. The leading theory is that by the group they're in, they're are of course Paradoxes. Their very presence is anomalous as some wouldn't even call them Pokemon. It's possible that they aren't even from the time periods as the professors say they are. They don't even follow the normal naming conventions, they all have names based on their biggest attributes like Scream tail that has it's hair curl as a big tail and it screams, Iron Hands simply having Iron hands, and Great tusk goes without saying. The only thing that makes them Pokemon is that they can use Pokemon moves, receive Super effective damage, and can be contained in Pokeballs. The Mascot Legendaries are also something I like to point out. They follow normal naming conventions as their names are literally given to them by the professors. They were classified by "Winged King" for Koriadon, and "Iron Serpent" for Miraidon. Kori which means Ancinet, Mirai which means Future, Raido which means Ride, and Don which is lord and a suffix for Dinosaur. Although they're all Paradox Pokemon of Cyclizar, they're all drastically different and more powerful than Cyclizar. It's possible the professors coined their names because they vastly differ from the bicycle lizard.
in the comics they called an ancient Haunter "Black Fog" so I like to imagine that pokemon didn't use to be named what they said but rather what they do or look like ,by humans before they were catchable and for a while after.
I personally like the violet paradox forms They do just look like the originals but as robots but I think that’s the point they aren’t future versions of those Pokémon but instead are attempts to recreate long extinct species via artificial means, capturing the look of the old Pokémon but ultimately resulting in a soulless replica
But they'ren't soulless though? They're cyborgs, they can eat and such just fine. But yes, they're definitely recreations of ones that don't exist or have been made in a lab to fight strong threats.
They could had played so much with the paradox pokemon, like having a past garchomp look like sharpedo and a future sharpedo look like garchomp, have golbat/woobat/noivern look like something the Night Stalker from After Man, and more. At least we've got roaring moon looking like Mega-Salamance, which is a cool reference for megas being kind of ancient verions of said pokemon. also THEORY
Sandy Rocks I would call LMC 01 (Living Magnet Creature 01) if your going by mechanical names. LCD 02 (Living Crome Dino 02) MHM 03 (Maglev Hand Man 03) BWM 04 (Blade Wing Moth 04) BD 05 (Blade Dancer 05) Usually when naming tech it is with letters and numbers.
You want to know the REAL reason all of the future Paradox Pokémon all have "Iron" in their names? Because I guess that was the only futuristic sounding word that they could think of that'd fit within the 12-character limit. And yes, the space between the two parts of their names also counts. All of the names Manga suggested all go over this threshold.
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Honestly imo except for iron valiant and iron thorns, I’m kinda bummed out all the future form shinies are basically the same metal grey scheme. Seeing the past paradox shinies I was hoping the future ones would have unique colors that either were like the original or expanded upon their current design. I say iron valiant and iron thorns are my only exceptions to this but with iron thorns I feel like it would be cooler if the green color scheme was the actual shiny and the monochrome being it’s normal colors
I was kind of hoping there was a Paradox Magikarp after the Violetdex entry stating it was stronger in the past. Imagine a beast mode Magikarp. Maybe with a unique (and powerful) move based on Splash. Would have been both really cool and amusing.
4:18 Also Mecha Sonic, Archie Mecha Sonic, 8-bit Silver Sonic (the 16-bit one is actually Mecha Sonic) , Silver Sonic 2 and 3 (Archie Sonic's Mecha Sonic is a robotiziced Sonic instead), Mecha Knuckles, Archie Mecha Knuckles, Mecha Sally, Rusty Rose, Team Cybonic, basically everyone in Archie Cyborg Sonic's universe, there's seriously _way_ too many of these lol.
Since you mentioned "uniformity," I'm a little bothered at all the Paradox having the same ability, depending on them being future or past. On one hand, it mechanically means they are even more similar to the ultra beasts like you said but on the other, it means they're just more nasty to deal with, especially when odds are they'll always be paired up with their respecting -raidon. As of writing this comment, all paradox Pokémon are banned in VGC but I'm afraid of how much they'll affect the game in future rule sets.
Maybe them all being genderless and unbreedable is an intentional choice? Plus, the ancient paradoxes have questionable designs too. None are actually based on real ancient animals or phenomena, they’re just the lookalike Pokémon with a coat of primeval flavored cheese. The same applies to the future Paradoxes. They’re not dipping into truly wild futuristic characteristics because they’re not legitimate. They’re just their lookalikes with a coat of cheese. Really puts a hole in their legitimacy as truly being from other times. These things are supposed to be really fake looking and cheesy, and that’s good. They do that job well.
I feel the lack of evolution feeds into them, like imagining mismagius and wigglytuff are newer evolutions whilst foongus and phanpy were newer preevolutions to more easily help the species expand. The future ones can be built without evolution in the first place though
I feel like the whole time travel plot doesn’t make as much sense for violet being I can understand the past paradox going on a rampage because we got 6 Jurassic park movies to explain it while the future paradox I feel would more just be made by the time machine to defend itself
I think if they went with the design philosophy of Mega Mewtwo X for past, as a brute, meaner and bigger version of Mewtwo, like the past paradox mons already are, and Mega Mewtwo Y for future as in perfecting it's best qualities being aerodynamic, fast, more intelligent and pure psychic power in contrast with the brute past I would've preferred it. Meaning the future mons being perfected version of themselves and their best qualities instead of just robots
Absolutely agree about wanting evolved past paradox forms and better future forms, I did attempt some past evos and prevos myself and I want to try to make future redesigns such as iron treads perhaps losing their tusks as real life elephants are and having to adapt ect, they could've really played with it and done something cool but most of the time it's just an uninspired reskin. Though they are growing on me slightly such as Iron valiant and delibird his skates are fun especially with the whole snow globe bag thing I think he has now and I suppose iron moth it's a neat interpretation of Volcarona
"Dystopian futures are a thing you know!" I'm sorry, does a future where all pokemon are replaced with robotic versions not sound like a dystopia to you?
One thing I liked about the future paradox Pokémon was that I was constantly getting tripped up by their typings. I thought they were all steel type because they all had "iron" in their names. It made fighting them fun because I actually had to experiment with different moves to find their weaknesses.
Theres something I thought of basically inmediately when I saw the Paradox Pokemon and that they couldn't evolve or have a gender that I haven't seen people bring up. It's probably because there's just no way of knowing. The dinosaurs' biology could be so alien and different from what it evolved into in the present day that sexing them isn't something modern science knows how to do. There's some species of lizards that are like this. Similarly, the fact that the robots all seem to be made of this same metallic material with some colored fluid underneath might suggest they don't have biological gender. Iron Valiant especially implies this, given it's a fusion of the male-only Gallade and the stereotypically female Gardevoir. Also, regarding how some dinosaurs are based on pre-evolved forms, my theory is that those evolutions didn't exist back then. Jigglypuff, Magneton (as of Gen 9) and Misdreavus all evolve when exposed to stones, not naturally through leveling up. Those stones might not have existed back in the time of Scream Tail, Sandy Shocks, or Flutter Mane.
Bro I love the Past Paradox mons. They’re like Pokémon Dinosaurs. Sure, the Future ones are cool, but they’re all so…uniform in design. Even their shinies are kinda lackluster compared to the Past Paradox mons.
Honestly I can understand the flawss you bring up with the Future Paradox Pokémon, even if I do still personally like them. While they have less variation than the past versions and are more or less just robotic, they do still have some variety between them such as Iron Treads’s actual face being behind its trunk, Iron Bundle’s body being detachable or Iron Valiant being a fusion between both Mega Gardevoir and Gallade, as you said. Though this does beg the question of why there aren’t more “fusion” Paradox Pokémon, such as a mix between Mega Charizard X and Y or Pokémon with split evolutions like Poliwhirl, Slowpoke or Rockruff. Which’s where I can see it has some missed potential, and I do hope to see the concept expanded on in the future (most likely in DLC.)
I was really hoping the future mons would've taken a more speculative biology route with the pokemon they're based on. Like how they'd evolve in the future.
I do agree that the Ancient Paradox Pokemon have much more interesting and diverse designs than the Future Paradox Pokemon. I will also agree that for the future Paradox pokemon, they could have covered a wider range of themes. However, given that all the information we have on them so far is from the Pokedex getting information from a occult fiction magazine, I am definitely hoping the DLC will touch upon it somehow. After all, if you go back down to the time machine, it seems like it's still operational. A interesting theory that has been going around that I kind of like is the theory that Paradox Pokemon aren't technically real. There are different takes on this theory, but it is believed that the crystals found at the bottom of Area Zero have much greater potential power than one may think.
personally, I think it's because the crystals are caused by the missing 3rd legendary, which I believe is the pokemon of imagination it would go with the region's theme of art, while also explaining how a "time machine" and AI are able to work without technology from the future also just realized while writing this that it'd basically just be WH40k ork: the legendary
I'm glad I'm not the only guy who got flashbacks to the pokemon ranger 2 NPC as well, but in my case it was probably because i had just replayed shadows of almia a few weeks before SV released.
Imo if they had to give the future forms a unifying theme then Iron Valiant was the way to go, fusing together split evolution lines like Vileploom and Bellosom, Slowbro and Slowing, Eevee, and even like Nidoking and Nidoqueen, and just use different metals for the titles Actually then people might complain that their too Gen 1 focused
One thing I found disappointing about the future pokemon is the pokedex entries in violet. They all were essentially this pokemon is in the violet book with no more information.
Past Paradox do share a unifying theme across the board, they are all just "dinosaur" versions of the mon. They took the mon, just gave it a ton of spikes/zigzags everywhere, and gave a tail to the ones missing it Not much different to how they took all mons, gave them body armor, digital eyes, and some form of futuristic trait (ei, levitating limbs, solid energy parts, etc) for the Future Paradox
I don't really agree with Paradox Pokemon being more "diverse" than Mega Evolutions. There were plenty of weak Pokemon that got a mega form. Mawile, Abomasnow, Pinsir, Kangaskhan, Audino, Glalie, Houndoom, Banette, Absol, Manectric, and many more. It was a pretty solid split between Pokemon who "needed" them and Pokemon that got them because they were already popular like Gengar, Scizor, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross etc. It's pretty much the same with Paradox Pokemon, and btw Scarlet has a Paradox form of Salamence which is very much a pseudo legendary, not sure what that article was on about. Volcarona, Amoonguss, Salamence, Hydreigon and Tyranitar were all already pretty strong Pokemon that didn't "need" a Paradox form if you follow that argument. Gallade is debatable, although it does also have a Mega. I think Paradox and Mega forms are pretty equal in how they're split in that regard.
It probably wasn't intentional but it's also pretty cynical in tone to say that the ONLY evolution will be robots, instead of trying to theorycraft what ways that things coming around in the future would influence a Pokemon's development.
This is probably irrelevant my to the subject matter but I just want to say it: Now THIS is what I call a paradigm shift! Also you’re NO loser, Kamen! You’re a winner in our eyes!
I love how their Dex entries are BS even for a pokedex entry. Anyways, while I still feel the past paradoxes are cooler looking I feel the future ones have a lot of charm when we consider their animations, specially when they faint. Mecha Donphan turns into a ball and Delibird gets its head punched out like a boxer robot! That's pretty cool!
>one-way time machine technology *somewhere in the universe* Celebi: Y'know, I could just help the humans with this. Arceus: No. We will not intervene in human machinations anymore. Celebi: ...any word back from Palkia or Dialga? Arceus: You know very well they still have not forgiven me for what happened in Hisui...
Theory : hydragon breed with Magearna to create iron jugulis. Apparently, hydragon did breed with a machine, and that makes both the most sense and is ironic I feel in some way.
I’d absolutely love to hear your experience with playing Scarlet or Violet. What did you love about it? What Pokémon you like this generation? What problems you had with it? And Which Gym leader, E4 and Geeta did you like, love, or have a problem with💖💖💖
In my opinion the paradox pokemon are that... A paradox... a time line that shouldn't be. I don't think the past Pokemon are the ACTUAL PAST versions of these pokemon. Nor are the FUTURE mons the FUTURE versions. They are hypotheticals made by destructive power of the legendary pokemon (who we havent seen) that makes terrastialize possible. If you think about it. TERASTALIZE is litterly putting a power into a pokemon to change their type and empower it. This is what paradox pokemon are. Devolution and The Singularity. The legendary pokemon we travel with are the Cyclzar who absorbed that power thus became it. Would there be robotic pokemon? Yes. Pokemone evolve and change. Look at Electrode and Voltorb. Went from being an electric apricorn into a pure electric ball. And what I think this legendary pokemon (that we dont know) that left all these paradox stuff is.. is one that didn't make actual time travel. Heck if you know the final plot twist... it makes sense what happened.. but then again... we will probably see this true pokemon one day.. or be religated to UNKNOWN just like Gen 5's true dragon!
I think scarlet and violet did well designwise. The pokemon are interesting, the open world was executed as well as pokemon could. I love the paradox forms for the pure "coolness" of them, the energy that captures a 7-year-old's attention. I was literally squeaking when looking through the scarlet and violet pokedex. They look cool. Sure they're flawed, but all pokemon games have their... jynxes. More recent games just had more. I've come full circle, when I wasn't much into pokemon I was like "ooh, new game cool" then I got my hands on pokemon crystal and the first gen, watched x and y and had some older friend influence, and was like "new game bad." But now I see both. The money-grabbing gimmicky mess, and the game for children that maintains its magic and joy.
I think the megacorp idea explains the future 'mons perfectly. They're all uniform even in naming convention, area all fully evolved pokemon and strong ones at that. It's easy to assume someone's weaponizing pokemon in this alternate timeline. Perhaps one where Team Rocket's MewTwo project was a rousing success. I'd like to learn more of what brought them out, but right now I'm just really wanting iron waifubot.
I'm surprised we didn't get Blazing Wing and Iron dragon (past and future paradox forms of charizard)
Don't forget, all of them also have the exact same number of stats too, except Valiant because it's based on a Mega Pokémon.
Add the detail that the reason all have Iron in the name is due to all of them be part of a Series.
Like, every one of them are a model.
(Iron bundle model
Iron thorns model
Iron hands model, etc.)
The only thing that contradicts this theory is both iron tread and iron moth being made by an alien race according to scarlet dex entries
@@djt08031996 those are fanart
there is another theory regarding the Paradox Pokémon
and that is that they actually aren't from the past or future
rather from the imagination
as it all comes down to the Scarlet/Violet Book with the blocked off letters
And their Pokedex description that say how all of them are from a dubious magazine (except for Miraidon/Koraidon)
I like to think they are from alternative timelines.
@@hugomventuraif that was they case they would just be ultra beasts.
@@torterratortellini6641 Or an alternate timeline where humans did not exist? Don't forget timelines were established during the events of Ultra Sun/Moon where the evil teams won in their timelines, and in Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire where Zinnia refused to let the player character continue their original plan of sending the meteor away because it might hit a timelime/world that could not protect itself (reference to Pokemon Emerald)
Would this happen to have something to do with the mysterious unknown legendary that the Professor encounter after getting separated from the rest of the expedition team?
I think it makes sense that the future are more uniform as the world becomes more uniform. But I do wished they did something more than just robots like cyborgs or fused combinations like iron valiant.
Imagine if there was a future pokemon that was a fusion of froslass and glaie or hitmonchan and hitmonlee
Yeah, I’m thinking stuff like Eeveelutions that are more disconnected from Eevee, a Dragon/Flying-type Garchomp adapted to be better at flight, etc. Hoping that future DLC or games give Future Paradoxes that are clearly organic.
yeah i feel like it would be cool to see something like a genetically engineered semi-biological being instead of just 100% robots all around
@@MatheusFerreira-mu6lu yeah, same.
If they’re advanced enough to make a former athlete into a freaking metal Pokemon to keep them from dying, they probably should be able to recreate organic material. Or at least organic looking material.
The designs aren’t bad, it’s just that almost all future settings go for that one robotic look. Played Violet while my partner simultaneously went through Scarlet, and during the last fight in Area Zero I kept saying how much more I preferred the Scarlet choice of Pokemon and handling the theme over Violet.
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They didn't turn any athlete into a cyborg, that was made up by the Occultist Magazine
I always felt that this was a missed opportunity. You could had great ideas like:
- A futuristic Chansey that has been turned into an incubator
- A futuristic Remoraid that’s a ray gun that evolves into a Octillery that’s a futuristic tank
- A Salamence that nevered learned to fly, so now it is always angry due to a broken dream
- Klink, Klang, and Klinklang made out of stone instead of metal
- A wooden and or laser sword Aegislash
- Iron Thorns, but they out right admit that It was made by people who are a fan of Mecha Tyranitar
This was the perfect chance to go full circle and turn Iron Jugulis into a Tank, like what Hydreigon was originally planned to be
The Klink line idea wouldn’t really work since they canonically didn’t exist until shortly before the events of BW where they suddenly appeared, seemingly out of nowhere
Honestly they could have pulled the whole concept off better, like in the past pokemon were able to grow bigger and more wild, but down the line they get less wild because of humans and pokemon forming a bond over the time passed til pokemon are smaller and have less of a defensive/dangerous look to them.
Then into the future some Pokemon are going extinct and so they had to start recreating and/or enhancing them in the future til they become a vague likeness of the original
I made one for baxcalibur, called iron blade. It’s a dragon steel type baxcalibur with the back thing replaced by a buzzsaw.
I've also seen a theory floating around about how the "time machine" isn't really a time machine and it is instead creating these paradox pokemon from the professors imaginations, as Arven points out in the post game, Great Tusk/Iron Treads were documented in the Scarlet/Violet book long before the "time machine" was made which is what inspired Sada/Turo to build the "time machine" which according to this theory formed the other paradox pokemon and additional Great Tusks/Iron Treads from Sada and Turo's imagined ideas of other past/future pokemon, part of this theory is that the "3rd legendary" is responsible for this, there's also the fact that there's very little info on the past paradoxes despite the fact that if they really are past versions of pokemon there should be evidence of their existence like fossils and such.
Another explanation could be that either the time machine sent some back in time or somehow the original expedition ends up in the present time. I've seen some rumors that Heath might be featured in DLC somehow, so perhaps he got brought forward in time, saw the paradox pokemon post-time machine, then went back to write about them in the book. It would sure make them live up to the name "Paradox" pokemon, which is currently a bit strange rather than just calling them prehistoric/future pokemon.
One thing to note is that in real life, fossils are hard to form and there are likely many organisms who have existed yet never had any fossil formed, or at least we haven’t found them yet.
Not a jab at you but fossils are extraordinarily hard to form. You need just the right environment for the process to go off. There's a reason why a lot of ancient marine animals aren't known and why something like Megalodon or insects aren't largely preserved.
that would literally be the SHITTIEST plot twist ever LMAOOO please NO
also, not nearly 1% of living creatures lived in spaces prone to forming fossils, bro...
ALSO, it's a time machine, man... it has no ties or limits when it comes to time related stuff. Probably the time machine was sending those pokémon to all sorts of different times other than the "present" as an accident and creating that PARADOX (you know what they did there) where the professor created the time machine to fulfill a curiosity for a pokémon that was documented thanks to the time machine itself sending pokémon to the wrong time...
@@MatheusFerreira-mu6lu in the scarlet/violet books, there's a drawing of an "imagined pokemon" that's a fusion of the legendary beasts/swords of justice. why would they include that if not for it to appear in some future dlc?
I’d be down to see a battle between Paradox Pokemon and Ultra Beasts.
Also I imagine if the Paradox Pokemon were akin to regional variants rather than Ultra Beasts. I could totally see the future Paradox Pokemon being in Mineral while the past are all part of the Monster egg group alongside one of their original egg groups.
I'd bet on Ultra Beasts. They wouldn't be in whatever programming the Future Paradox Pokémon have, and they'd be so strange to the Ancient Paradox Pokémon that they'd be caught off guard.
@@ZXaria regular pokemon can battle ultra beasts just fine, so i don't see why ancient ones would have any issue. also, who said the future mons need to be programmed to recognize something? they recognize modern pokemon without any problems.
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Yeah, I'm completely wrong on the Ancient Ones, but I do have something to say about the Future Paradox mons even though I actually disagree with my initial point.
Future Mons recognizing Modern Mons alright makes total sense, since...they already know about them? Future is after the present?
UBs are a Legendary-level treath and way too variated, that's why the Tapus had to interfere and why the Aether Fnd. made Syllvally based off of Arceus
Paradox don't seem to be as powerful (aside from the Bikes, and prolly the DLC Quimeras) just way more aggresive and dangerous than most mons
Kartana,Naganadel and Pheromosa would destroy most of them. :/
Personally I like the theory that the time machine isnt actually a time machine and is instead just creating pokemon that sada/turo think they will find from the books they read as kids, explaining the design similaritys and lack of evos.
it also aligns with the opposite 'dex version's entries basically saying "these are pokemon from kooky theories some wackjob put in a conspiracy theorist magazine"
@@rokkraljkolesa9317 that just a magazine detailing paradox pokemon sightings from the scarlet/violet book, but its just gussing how those pokemon came to be (big foot vibes) thats why the names for paradox are so random too, not ofgual just fan made.
Honestly, I'd love to see more Paradox Pokemon down the line. Perhaps they could even work in aspects that were on the cutting room floor, like say, having a past Raichu that borrows from the cut Gorochu, or a future Octillery that draws from its tank-like beta design.
I recommend checking out Bulbbyboi, a 2D and 3D artist, and his fan-made Paradox Pokémon.
They look absolutely phenomenal and his future paradoxes put most of the official ones in Violet to shame (save for Iron Valiant, imo).
My personal favorites of Bulbby’s fan-makes are Primal Sun, Iron Hunter, and Iron Synthesis.
I think they're neat. When it comes to endgame special pokemon, I prefer the Ultra Beasts, but I do like the ideas and *Theories* they present.
I wish we got a future Dragapult and Garchomp.
One could be a "ghost in a machine"
And the other I could see being "Steel sail" an all terrain mech that can swim through sand air and even the sea with ease.
Or past Dragapult, showing how it was when it was alive.
Iron Treads is underrated
I hated it when I first saw the trailers, but seeing it properly in game has drastically changed my opinion on it, especially because of how cool it looks when rolling. I still prefer Great Tusk, but Iron Treads is still MUCH better than I initially thought.
_I actually like Iron Treads more than Great Tusk, I wanted Donphan to get an ancient evolution just like its counterpart Ursaring with Ursaluna but the existence of a past paradox Donphan means that we will probably never get it, so yeah, Great Tusk disappointed me a lot._
@@geg708 um, no? You do realize that Jigglypuff, Misdreavous, and Magneton got paradox forms despite having evolutions right?
@@geg708 Never say never. Something about the term "Paradox" and the fact that you can't get your exiting versions of these Pokémon to become Paradox forms through any form of evolution makes me think that none of these paradox Pokemon were meant to exist in this entire TIMELINE, let along time period, thus aren't actually connected to the Pokemon we know at all. Like they didn't actually exist, nor will exist, in this world's future or past at all, and instead came from entirely parallel timelines. Seriously, GF could potentially take this concept anywhere. For all we know, Scarlet and Violet could end up getting DLC that connects to the "true" past and future of Paldea that has regional evolutions like Hisui did, and the DLC occurs because the time traveling professor AI accident caused some other kind of damage to the timeline. This is all a just a theory of course, I'm just saying, if I can come up with this idea, there's a chance a GF writer could do something similar, so I don't think you should give up hope. Plus we've seen Meowth get regional variants two generations in a row, so there's still a possibility that one will come for Donphan next Gen, even if we didn't get one here.
I have heard of some theories that yeah, some mega corp ended up robotizing pokemon in order to make them into weapons. Iron Treads being a type of tank. Iron Hands being a type of guard bot. Iron Bundle being a spy toy that can go all kill mode when it sees a problem. Iron Moth being an anti aircraft weapon. And Iron Valiant being almost like a terminator bot with how powerful it is.
Now of course these are just theories and the dex entries don't help us much. Hell, Iron Jugulius is said to be a cross between Hydreigon getting it on with a robot. So we can't really get a good grasp on these pokemon fully. But I would say there is some merit to them.
But I do also agree, would of prefer if they were all "Chrome" instead of "Iron". IDK, Iron just sounds a lot more primitive compared to chrome.
maybe thats true but i love the name "iron valiant". if we're keeping one we're keeping that.
I don’t care what people say about the rest of the futuristic Pokémon, all I know is that Iron Valiant is single handily one of the coolest Pokémon ever! A Gardevoir/Gallade fused android with a freakin energy scythe is undoubtedly badass!
This would’ve been the perfect generation to create a new Eeveelution tbh. Techneon could be exclusive to Violet version while Drakeon could’ve been exclusive to Scarlet.
I like that THEORY (hehe) where these paradox Pokémon actually do not exist in the past/future, but are a child's dream given form by that mysterious third legendary. Just think about it, when a kid thinks about such a distant future, most of the times they think "robots" right? Also, it explains the naming process of these paradoxes.
The names come from the dubious magazine wich is meant to resemble beast like big foot wich is why the names are so simple compare the legendary wich was given a real name to the professor.
I see why would people would like thst theory but it just feels cheap like the the "it was all a dream" twist been so overused.
What are your thoughts on the theory that Paradox Pokémon aren't real, but were manifestations of what Professor Sada/Turo saw as the Past/Future based on a dubious Sci-Fi Magazine?
_It's very likely since Paradox Pokémon first appeared before Sada/Turo built the time machine._
they actually came from earlier than that, the author of the Scarlet Violet books saw them, which Arven points out as being odd since he thought his parent discovered them
@xord6286 The game also says that many people believe that book was actually fake, and the guy who wrote it just made up what he saw as there is zero evidence of the pokemon outside of what he said.
It’s like if Sada and Turo saw the ending of Jurassic Park and Terminator respectively and thought “Damn, wouldn’t that be neat.”
Would explain why the brute bonnet looks like a pokeball despite supposedly predating their invention
Honestly, I agree about the uniformity of the Future Paradox Pokemon being a bit of a letdown. That being said, it's a VERY minor issue to me, and I still love all of them to death and collectively like them much more than the past Paradox forms. I don't think the past Paradox forms are bad or edgy though, in fact I like most of both the past and future Paradox forms even more than the originals. Especially Iron Bundle, or as I called the one I trained: "Deli-Bot".
I haven't gotten far enough into Pokemon to reach these guys (thank Fire Emblem for finally catching my attention) but I do like the *THEORY* of them being from a megacorp. Maybe that'll be whatever expansion they think of. Who knows.
Some of the iron Pokemon look kinda cool to me.
I like the treads and valiant.
I find it interesting you didn't bring up the "not actually from time" theory when discussing them. I'm skeptical myself but it's an interesting theory, and it does explain traits of these paradoxes. For any uninitiated there's a theory that instead of a time machine this is a "make it reality" machine where it takes the things from the book and brings the Pokemon to life. So for example the "Iron" in the names may be because the person who wrote the book liked uniformity, or lacked the creativity to give them a different name. The theory even discusses the idea that Sada/Turo are the ones who created these Pokemon as children in the book. So in that case you'd have a child who used a lot of wild adjectives, and a child who wanting to keep everything uniform used a labeling style name system for consistency with the designs. Kinda gives some personality traits to the two of them. That all is of course if the theory is correct, as it does have quite a few holes. Either way I like these fish out of water Pokemon, they're all really fun. Even if they have some questionable implications about the future world of Pokemon.
what supports the theory is that the opposite version's 'dex entries state that the paradox pokemon are featured in a paranormal/dubious magazine, and that the technology only works in the crater
the Sada-/Turobot states that they can't function outside the crater, because the technology required for an AI just doesn't exist yet, as well as the region having a big theme of art and creativity (a gym leader being an artist and an E4 member being an art teacher, for example)
Hope it dosen't happen such a weak story twist 'it wa all a dream" kind if thing.
@@Rprot_traveler But it wouldn't be 'it was all a dream'. It's an entity turning dreams into reality. Something the franchise has explored before namely Unown have been shown to warp reality to the point where they can create nothing from something like in the 3rd anime movie.
The theory suggest whatever this unknown legendary is has a similar but even stronger power where it can create something from nothing and whatever creates becomes real.
What holes are there In the theory?
@@salderr From what I've heard it usually has to do with how someone could say they saw something and recorded it in a book in the past if they created the machines that went on to create those beings at a later time. Basically, how could the expedition team see something like Great Tusk and record it's existence if the "time machine" hadn't been invented yet. If it's a make dreams reality machine this wouldn't make a ton of sense, unless it's both able to create things AND place them within other parts of time.
I'm glad that Paradox Pokémon ain't forms but new mons. That is cool.
I love the idea robotic Pokémon, and I feel that the uniformity and streamlining of the future Pokémon has a bit more symbolism and a point. Not to discredit what you said at all cause I’m not talking about the crucial execution, but nonetheless that was my take
Ultra Beasts started off as completely distinct Pokémon, but Ultra Sun and Moon showed they could evolve through Poipole and Naganadel being introduced. It’s possible we could see more Paradoxes be added and with the potential to evolve maybe
I absolutely want to see more Paradox Pokémon but I don't want to see one evolve personally because it'll take up Dex slots but if it has to happen, then make it a one time thing like Naganadel.
If anything the Gardevour/Gallade should have been the start. Take two Pokémon with different male or female forms and FUSE them. Or even regional variants as it would have been interesting. It was the paradox pokemon that sealed the deal for me on which game to get. If the paradox on violets side I liked iron valiant, but that was it. Loved the uniform for Violet as it’s not as terrible and CAN be worked with. I’m half wondering if they did the uniforms so they could do the graphics of you moving easier or something. Don’t know but it’s the main thing I can think of as the uniform to me should have only been a while at the school or during gym challenges. The treasure hunt is about finding yourself for the students. This seems the opposite of wearing a school uniform as it’s less freedom to explore or express yourself. School and the gym challenge would have been a good ‘there is a time and place to wear it’ as a means to prepare for the work environment. Beyond that just hate the whole aspect of the uniform. Because even with the other things you can change it’s not really something you can do without making the player characters look horrible more often then not.
-Froslass and Glalie- Iron Freezer(Ice/Fairy)
-Mothim and Wormadam- Iron Insect(Big/Normal)
-Nidoking and Nidoqueen- Iron Needles(Poison/Steel)
-Gyrados and Milotic- Iron Setphant(Water/Dragon)
-Magmortar and Electivire- Iron Energy(Fire/Electric)
-Bewear and Pangoro- Iron Menace(Normal/Dark)
One thing I see people complain about is the Paradox names for Violet are bad and I can't disagree enough. People have to remember that explorers in Imperial Paldea way back when were the ones who originally named the Paradox pokemon recorded in the Violet book. They wrote about what they saw and they had no way of properly taming these pokemon to study them and assign them proper names like Turo did with Miraidon.
It us mostly explained outside of the main story so most people don't get it, but youtubers should mention that since it is goes so easy under the radar.
@@Rprot_traveler Yeah the books themselves are important, but most don't know about the book or the fact you can read and learn about it in the school.
I personally very much enjoy the talks of Pokemon and art design. As for the Paradox Pokemon, I'm not a big fan of how in general their names are just titles instead of the usual pormanteau naming scheme. As for the Pokemon themselves I think most of them are fine but I have to say, there's only a few I find very intereseting (like Great Tusks or Iron Bundle). I feel like this concept could be expanded a bit (especially with the future forms) but for what they are now, they're alright.
I think naming wise (in-game) depends on what Sara and Turo wanted to name them (making them the lamest professors ever). In Arceus, you had a team of people (the player, the helper, the professor and the whole Galactic institution) that probably helped with the naming. Same with other teams/labs, the professor is rarely alone or isolated. But that's not the case in Scarlet/Violet. The professors job was kinda secretive and barely anyone knew of it (Arven aside).
@@icarue993 the thing is, the Professor only named ONE of the Paradoxes, that being Koraidon/Miraidon, all the others only have the name of the things that they resemble from the Scarlet/Violet Book, even Koraidon and Miraidon have names from the Book to match all the other Paradoxes, those being "Winged King" and "Iron Serpent".
The namez are from the magazine so they are supposed not be official
I find it totally weird for someone who love Super Sentai or Tokusatsu in general have complain about the future Paradox
why their name starts with Iron really kicked off the Sentai naming conventionally in my point of view, most of Super Sentai are just named after their squad name + their respective colors, and that to me is very interesting compared to the ancient Paradox
also, most of their design reminds me of Gekiranger of some sort
"I find it totally weird for someone who love Super Sentai or Tokusatsu in general have complain about the future Paradox"
... I explained my issues with it though, and there really isn't anything to justify the uniformity.
"most of their design reminds me of Gekiranger of some sort"
... The kung fu Sentai? What?
My headcanon was that they figured out about the time machine then in the future built a plant outside of where the time machine is sending out all the pokeballs that makes the robot pokemon as a joke to fuck with the past
i personally really like both naming conventions. the past names remind me of the names ancient tribes would give unusual creatures that they spot, and the future ones remind me of simple codenames researchers would give to test subjects, which really fits the aesthetics of the two games. also, i like the idea of some corporation weaponizing these strong pokemon causing them to appear robotic, but i personally prefer the idea that their "evolution" into these chrome creatures was semi-natural, such as some sort of future infinity energy shortage that caused them to rely more on technology
Really hoping that the paradox Pokémon get full evolutionary lines in the future.
I think we should still wait to really have an opinion on the Paradox mons until the DLC comes in. That's when we're really gonna get answers to the Origins for them and all-
I like to think that Past paradoxes are actual ancestors of modern pokemon, i think it's also interesting that some of them are not fully evolved, like we have Magneton instead of magnezone and Misdreavus instead of Mismagius. This telld us that modern pokemon found a way to evolve only recently, and in the past some of them stayed as 2 stagers or single stagers.
Future pokemon are interesting to me too, because they are soulless robot versions of normal mons. I have a theory that they came from a far far future, where every pokemon got extinct or replaced with far more better metalic counterpart. I think some of these robots function more like tools with different jobs. And Miraidon is a cyborg and not a robot intirely, because it feels alive and feels emotions and feelings.
I mean look at the Pokémon that haven’t evolved. Misdreavus, Magneton, Jigglypuff, they’re all stone evolutions. I think you might be right about evolutionary stones being a recent development.
I prefer the theory that the Past Paradox Pokémon aren't actually the ancestors of present day Pokémon, due to the fact that one of them is directly mentioned to have no fossils or any other records of it actually existing in ancient times, that being Slither Wing.
What that means, is that if ONE of them is confirmed to not have any traces of it actually living in the distant past, it's likely none of the others have any traces either, especially Brute Bonnet and Sandy Shocks, both Paradoxes that make no sense to have existed that far back at all, with no real mention of them having been actually confirmed to exist so long ago, especially looking the way they do, like seriously, you expect me to believe that a mushroom was mimicking something that wouldn't exist for several 1000's of years at LEAST? Then there's the screws on Sandy Shocks... it just makes more sense that they were completely made up in the first place... then somehow made real by the power of the "time" machine powered by the Disk Pokemon's Crystals...
I’m hoping that they expand upon Paradox Pokémon in the future. I feel like the Future Paradoxes were done dirty by all being seemingly-robotic versions of Pokémon. I was kinda hoping for something like speculative evolution, but I do love my theory that I made to explain it that Pokémon can incorporate existing technology into their bodies.
To be honest the only two paradox Pokemon I don’t really vibe with are iron thorn and jugulis. They just feel too samey to their og counterparts for my liking. The rest have enough differences that I can chill with them.
Also my theory for why we don’t have paradox mon of wigglytuff and the rest is simply because stuff like moon stones don’t really exist or common at this time period (or whatever’s going on with them)therefore their bodies don’t have a reaction to it like their present counterparts do.
Is it a foolproof theory no… but it’s just a quick thought. Overall I’ll give the paradox mon’s a 7/10. Pretty solid but could use some more work.
Iron Thorns for me at least has a more unique typing while jugulis feels more similar because hydreigon already had levitate and it typing and design feel like a big downgrade
I keep coming BACK for Pokémon art design talks lol. Who complains about these 👀
I'm no longer so concerned about things like IV training and breeding (at least for the future pokemon on the breeding part) now that Hypertraining via bottle caps and mints exists.
It's now tradition for me to hypertrain my starter pokemon, even if I don't plan on using them too often
I hope that in the dlc we get to see how these mons came to be, maybe the future forms all being the same will make sense
Theory: The one thing that stood out to me was that when you get a chance to talk to arven during post game, he talks about the fact that the paradox pokemon you guys found were mentioned in the book. Yet, he also states that his parent made the time machine roughly 10 years ago but rhe notes about the paradox pikemon were from hundreds of years ago. So he wonders where the pokemon actually came from. Most people subscribe to the thought of the pikemon coming into being thanks to imagination and I suspect this is possibly the best one, but to add to it, the rumored pokemon in the scar/viol book is a paracitic/nanomachine type pokemon that makes random pokemon or (thanks to sada/turo) creates new pokemon
Part of why I love these oddballs is part of the reason I like the Ultra Beasts.
One half, too savage to be considered tameable.
The other half, too mechanized to be considered alive.
Only the truly compassionate _(or the completely insane)_ would ever see past the terrifying and unnatural, and view these monsters as Pokemon worthy of love and affection like any other.
Mangakamen I also agree with your issues/have similar feelings about Future Paradox Pkmns. I really did enjoy the Ancient variants compared to the Future variants we got, especially since some of my favorites pkmns got the Future treatment instead and essentially got simple basic robotical versions of themselves.
Like Slitherwing essentially being a Volcarona that stayed as a big Larvesta that never evolved to fly like a moth is so much better than Iron Moth who essentially got solar panel wings but practically looks the same.
If they could at least have added some mechanical parts (similar to Genesect getting a weapon mounted on his back) just to hit further the theory that these pkmns possibly come from a future where some mad scientist had the horrible idea of automation/robotization of these pkmns with the goal to make them stronger compare to original counterpart like Iron Bundle vs Delibird.
Like if it's normal for Blastoise to have some cannons inside his shell, it wouldn't be too farfetched that all these Future Paradox Pkmns have some sort of mechanical robotic weapon added inside of them. Like maybe Iron Jugulis having some laser cannon added inside of it's mouths, and having his tail also become another head or having a laser cannon attached to it or something, just to show that these pkmns have been at least modified even through their exoskeleton looks similar to their normal counterpart.
Imagine if Iron Jugulis was the Mecha Ghidorah version of Hydreigon and used some of the original concepts they had for him.
Instead Iron Jugulis just feels "safe" and in that sense disappointing compare to some of the other interesting ones like Iron Valiant, Miraidon or any of the Ancient Pkmns we got.
I was very disappointed by the future Pokémon just being robots. As soon as the trailer showed Iron Treads, I immediately jumped from wanting Violet to wanting Scarlet. Although I won't deny I have a soft spot for Iron Hands because I loved Hariyama growing up and Electric is my favorite type. But I adore the dinosaurified Ancient Pokémon and was hoping for some hyper-evolved Pokémon as their counterparts. Although someone told me the Future ones are actually cyborgs and not robots. Also, Iron Bundle is allegedly not from the future but actually the past according to the books in-game, which makes it VERY interesting to me.
Also Iron Jugulis, huge missed opportunity to make it look like a literal tank like Hydreigon's original design. Probably my least favorite of the future ones because it's *just* a robot Hydreigon
I’d have assume with the Mega Corp pokemon, perhaps (and granted this a theory that conceptually revolves around Donphan (Elephants)) were hunted into extinction and made in labs like Mewtwo and Genesect. Porygon is currently an outlier until we get the paradox ancient Porygami.
Considering they're call Paradoxes, maybe they aren' being pulled from one linear point of time, but a hypothetical point of time that would be possible. Much like how we won't know what the future holds or how certain points in history are left obsured my the passage of time, but could very be possible directions based on current knowledge.
The Scarlet "Imaginary Pokemon" is probably the biggest example of this. We know the Beasts were 'something' prior to the Silver Tower in Johto burning, but 'what' exactly we don't know really and that illustration in the Book could simply be one possible interpretation of what they use to be or at least what their primal ancestors were.
I agree with the future names being too uniform and with Iron Valiant being the next best future paradox besides miraidon (honorable mention to iron moth though), I wish we got more fusions and/or a cyborg. But oh well. At least I have the Wallynator
I love when you casually mention Tokusatsu franchises
It feels like an easter egg everytime
I do like the theory talk about the Paradox Pokemon and do hope that either we see more in the future or for any future DLC (because it does feel like we will be getting some DLC for S/V). But yeah, Future Paradox pokemon are kind of a shame if they were all called "Iron." Either give them different kinds of Iron names or maybe some mutated forms or something (and don't say it would be too dark to see a mutated pokemon when Ghost Pokemon have some pretty dark stories in their own right).
Honestly, part of me thought there could have been a chance we could have "mutated" existing pokemon into paradox forms (thus to explain how we could have evolved our cycle pokemon into a legendary form of the past or future) like a sort of way to return to mega evolutions. A good step in the right direction, but definitely one that needs to get some expansions to it in order to properly sell it.
I doubt it would happen but I would LOVE for the DLC to give us Past Paradox Pokemon... of the Fossils from Galar. But they are the TRUE versions, not the Chimeras. A lightning raptor, a dragon spino (or some other theropod), water megaldon, and ice krono
I’m quite fond of the robot Pokémon I think they’re a good addition for the game since violet is focused on the future and scarlet is focused on primitive Pokémon
I like the megacorp idea, but it needs to have more canon things hinting at it other than a THEORY about design elements. Also as someone who only has Violet version, I kinda wish I got Scarlet because of the paradox Pokemon. I really want to hunt a Shiny Fluttermane, Roaring Moon, Slither Wing... While I was only interested in shiny hunting Iron Valiant (I nicknamed it Pixl)
Also opinions on Turo/Sada's reveal about being AI? Because it literally came out of nowhere, at the most I found a book on my way down to the Area Zero mega base (which is way to late to hunt at something like that). And I instead thought "oh Turo cloned himself! So maybe there will be two Turos! That would be kinda funny". It's my only problem with the game narratively speaking other than Arven getting shafted at the end, but I always thought "oh, he's in charge of catering the School Brawl"
Arven says that he basically hasn't seen his parent in years, and you only ever see the professor on a computer screen until the very end, which would either mean they're either too busy with their research or can't meet him in person
I actually thought the "two Turos" thing was hinting towards an AI assistant based on the professor's own mind and not "I made an android copy of myself" when I got to that point
I like to think that the future Paradox Pokemon aren’t robots but are the modern Pokemon they’re based off that have adapted to the future. It is a stretch, but when you think about how a majority of them aren’t steel types so they can’t have steel resistances like Iron Valiant to poison and Iron Bundle to grass, function as much as they like without the use of an internal battery, no signs of ports or electrical sockets on them at all, and able to consume natural herbs and get their nutrients like the Iron Treads Titan, it sounds more like their artificial look is just for show. Violet’s Paradox Pokemon is so rich with potential of what they are without writing them off as “Robots”. They could not be affected by EMPs and don't short circuit when submerged in water just like normal everyday Pokemon. I mean, their animations aren’t even robotic like when you compare them to the AI professors and their animations. It oddly makes more sense than certain Scarlet Paradox Pokemon that have tails with spines and Sandy Shocks being in that time period. Not that I am bashing on Scarlet’s Paradox Pokemon, I love them all even Sandy Shocks and how silly and awesome it is. The term Paradox Pokemon is also a interesting subject to dive in. The leading theory is that by the group they're in, they're are of course Paradoxes. Their very presence is anomalous as some wouldn't even call them Pokemon. It's possible that they aren't even from the time periods as the professors say they are. They don't even follow the normal naming conventions, they all have names based on their biggest attributes like Scream tail that has it's hair curl as a big tail and it screams, Iron Hands simply having Iron hands, and Great tusk goes without saying. The only thing that makes them Pokemon is that they can use Pokemon moves, receive Super effective damage, and can be contained in Pokeballs. The Mascot Legendaries are also something I like to point out. They follow normal naming conventions as their names are literally given to them by the professors. They were classified by "Winged King" for Koriadon, and "Iron Serpent" for Miraidon. Kori which means Ancinet, Mirai which means Future, Raido which means Ride, and Don which is lord and a suffix for Dinosaur. Although they're all Paradox Pokemon of Cyclizar, they're all drastically different and more powerful than Cyclizar. It's possible the professors coined their names because they vastly differ from the bicycle lizard.
in the comics they called an ancient Haunter "Black Fog" so I like to imagine that pokemon didn't use to be named what they said but rather what they do or look like ,by humans before they were catchable and for a while after.
I personally like the violet paradox forms
They do just look like the originals but as robots but I think that’s the point they aren’t future versions of those Pokémon but instead are attempts to recreate long extinct species via artificial means, capturing the look of the old Pokémon but ultimately resulting in a soulless replica
But they'ren't soulless though? They're cyborgs, they can eat and such just fine. But yes, they're definitely recreations of ones that don't exist or have been made in a lab to fight strong threats.
Y'know, it would be so cool if the future Pokemon were cyborgs instead of just robots. Imagine a half organic half robotic type Hariyama or something.
They could had played so much with the paradox pokemon, like having a past garchomp look like sharpedo and a future sharpedo look like garchomp, have golbat/woobat/noivern look like something the Night Stalker from After Man, and more. At least we've got roaring moon looking like Mega-Salamance, which is a cool reference for megas being kind of ancient verions of said pokemon. also THEORY
Sandy Rocks I would call LMC 01 (Living Magnet Creature 01) if your going by mechanical names.
LCD 02 (Living Crome Dino 02)
MHM 03 (Maglev Hand Man 03)
BWM 04 (Blade Wing Moth 04)
BD 05 (Blade Dancer 05)
Usually when naming tech it is with letters and numbers.
You want to know the REAL reason all of the future Paradox Pokémon all have "Iron" in their names?
Because I guess that was the only futuristic sounding word that they could think of that'd fit within the 12-character limit. And yes, the space between the two parts of their names also counts.
All of the names Manga suggested all go over this threshold.
And? We're in the future, you can always increase it.
I'm going to be honest here, I used to be subscribed, but I need to see that you haven't changed, that you do care, that you have heart, soo many videos come across as this you don't really care middle ground, I need to hear what you care about.
2:34 most based thing MK has ever said.
Honestly imo except for iron valiant and iron thorns, I’m kinda bummed out all the future form shinies are basically the same metal grey scheme. Seeing the past paradox shinies I was hoping the future ones would have unique colors that either were like the original or expanded upon their current design. I say iron valiant and iron thorns are my only exceptions to this but with iron thorns I feel like it would be cooler if the green color scheme was the actual shiny and the monochrome being it’s normal colors
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I was kind of hoping there was a Paradox Magikarp after the Violetdex entry stating it was stronger in the past.
Imagine a beast mode Magikarp. Maybe with a unique (and powerful) move based on Splash. Would have been both really cool and amusing.
There's some speculation that a Regional Fake or a Paradox Form of Magikarp will come in DLCs maybe.
They could’ve just named Iron Bundle, Delibot…it was right there all they had to do was reach out and grab it…oh well he’s still my special boy.
Koraidon is one of my new favorite Pokemon.
Great Tusk is my favorite of the Paradox subset.
4:18 Also Mecha Sonic, Archie Mecha Sonic, 8-bit Silver Sonic (the 16-bit one is actually Mecha Sonic) , Silver Sonic 2 and 3 (Archie Sonic's Mecha Sonic is a robotiziced Sonic instead), Mecha Knuckles, Archie Mecha Knuckles, Mecha Sally, Rusty Rose, Team Cybonic, basically everyone in Archie Cyborg Sonic's universe, there's seriously _way_ too many of these lol.
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Ngl I kinda wanna play Violet just to catch some Paradox Pokemon, plus, it doesn’t look that bad.
My biggest gripe with the future paradox forms is that the shiny variants are hardly noticeable and all the same
Since you mentioned "uniformity," I'm a little bothered at all the Paradox having the same ability, depending on them being future or past. On one hand, it mechanically means they are even more similar to the ultra beasts like you said but on the other, it means they're just more nasty to deal with, especially when odds are they'll always be paired up with their respecting -raidon. As of writing this comment, all paradox Pokémon are banned in VGC but I'm afraid of how much they'll affect the game in future rule sets.
Maybe them all being genderless and unbreedable is an intentional choice? Plus, the ancient paradoxes have questionable designs too. None are actually based on real ancient animals or phenomena, they’re just the lookalike Pokémon with a coat of primeval flavored cheese. The same applies to the future Paradoxes. They’re not dipping into truly wild futuristic characteristics because they’re not legitimate. They’re just their lookalikes with a coat of cheese. Really puts a hole in their legitimacy as truly being from other times. These things are supposed to be really fake looking and cheesy, and that’s good. They do that job well.
I feel the lack of evolution feeds into them, like imagining mismagius and wigglytuff are newer evolutions whilst foongus and phanpy were newer preevolutions to more easily help the species expand. The future ones can be built without evolution in the first place though
7:00 that’s so cool imagine a paradox dodrio with that design concept
I feel like the whole time travel plot doesn’t make as much sense for violet being I can understand the past paradox going on a rampage because we got 6 Jurassic park movies to explain it while the future paradox I feel would more just be made by the time machine to defend itself
I think if they went with the design philosophy of Mega Mewtwo X for past, as a brute, meaner and bigger version of Mewtwo, like the past paradox mons already are, and Mega Mewtwo Y for future as in perfecting it's best qualities being aerodynamic, fast, more intelligent and pure psychic power in contrast with the brute past I would've preferred it.
Meaning the future mons being perfected version of themselves and their best qualities instead of just robots
Absolutely agree about wanting evolved past paradox forms and better future forms, I did attempt some past evos and prevos myself and I want to try to make future redesigns such as iron treads perhaps losing their tusks as real life elephants are and having to adapt ect, they could've really played with it and done something cool but most of the time it's just an uninspired reskin. Though they are growing on me slightly such as Iron valiant and delibird his skates are fun especially with the whole snow globe bag thing I think he has now and I suppose iron moth it's a neat interpretation of Volcarona
"Dystopian futures are a thing you know!" I'm sorry, does a future where all pokemon are replaced with robotic versions not sound like a dystopia to you?
Past paradoxes do have a unifying design element in that they all have yellow sclera
And reptilian features.
One thing I liked about the future paradox Pokémon was that I was constantly getting tripped up by their typings. I thought they were all steel type because they all had "iron" in their names. It made fighting them fun because I actually had to experiment with different moves to find their weaknesses.
Theory
“Everything is Chrome in the future” sums up the shiny Futuristic Paradox Pokémon rather well.
Theres something I thought of basically inmediately when I saw the Paradox Pokemon and that they couldn't evolve or have a gender that I haven't seen people bring up. It's probably because there's just no way of knowing. The dinosaurs' biology could be so alien and different from what it evolved into in the present day that sexing them isn't something modern science knows how to do. There's some species of lizards that are like this. Similarly, the fact that the robots all seem to be made of this same metallic material with some colored fluid underneath might suggest they don't have biological gender. Iron Valiant especially implies this, given it's a fusion of the male-only Gallade and the stereotypically female Gardevoir.
Also, regarding how some dinosaurs are based on pre-evolved forms, my theory is that those evolutions didn't exist back then. Jigglypuff, Magneton (as of Gen 9) and Misdreavus all evolve when exposed to stones, not naturally through leveling up. Those stones might not have existed back in the time of Scream Tail, Sandy Shocks, or Flutter Mane.
Bro I love the Past Paradox mons. They’re like Pokémon Dinosaurs. Sure, the Future ones are cool, but they’re all so…uniform in design. Even their shinies are kinda lackluster compared to the Past Paradox mons.
Honestly I can understand the flawss you bring up with the Future Paradox Pokémon, even if I do still personally like them. While they have less variation than the past versions and are more or less just robotic, they do still have some variety between them such as Iron Treads’s actual face being behind its trunk, Iron Bundle’s body being detachable or Iron Valiant being a fusion between both Mega Gardevoir and Gallade, as you said. Though this does beg the question of why there aren’t more “fusion” Paradox Pokémon, such as a mix between Mega Charizard X and Y or Pokémon with split evolutions like Poliwhirl, Slowpoke or Rockruff. Which’s where I can see it has some missed potential, and I do hope to see the concept expanded on in the future (most likely in DLC.)
I was really hoping the future mons would've taken a more speculative biology route with the pokemon they're based on. Like how they'd evolve in the future.
I do agree that the Ancient Paradox Pokemon have much more interesting and diverse designs than the Future Paradox Pokemon. I will also agree that for the future Paradox pokemon, they could have covered a wider range of themes. However, given that all the information we have on them so far is from the Pokedex getting information from a occult fiction magazine, I am definitely hoping the DLC will touch upon it somehow. After all, if you go back down to the time machine, it seems like it's still operational.
A interesting theory that has been going around that I kind of like is the theory that Paradox Pokemon aren't technically real. There are different takes on this theory, but it is believed that the crystals found at the bottom of Area Zero have much greater potential power than one may think.
personally, I think it's because the crystals are caused by the missing 3rd legendary, which I believe is the pokemon of imagination
it would go with the region's theme of art, while also explaining how a "time machine" and AI are able to work without technology from the future
also just realized while writing this that it'd basically just be WH40k ork: the legendary
I'm glad I'm not the only guy who got flashbacks to the pokemon ranger 2 NPC as well, but in my case it was probably because i had just replayed shadows of almia a few weeks before SV released.
Imo if they had to give the future forms a unifying theme then Iron Valiant was the way to go, fusing together split evolution lines like Vileploom and Bellosom, Slowbro and Slowing, Eevee, and even like Nidoking and Nidoqueen, and just use different metals for the titles
Actually then people might complain that their too Gen 1 focused
Glalie and Froslass, Cofagrigus and Runerigus, Flapple and Appletun, Gorebyss and Huntail, there’s ways to make it work with later Pokémon.
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Also the paradox Salamance is my favorite version of Salamance. It looks so awesome!
One thing I found disappointing about the future pokemon is the pokedex entries in violet. They all were essentially this pokemon is in the violet book with no more information.
Past Paradox do share a unifying theme across the board, they are all just "dinosaur" versions of the mon.
They took the mon, just gave it a ton of spikes/zigzags everywhere, and gave a tail to the ones missing it
Not much different to how they took all mons, gave them body armor, digital eyes, and some form of futuristic trait (ei, levitating limbs, solid energy parts, etc) for the Future Paradox
What if the future paradox forms were instead acronyms? [T.R.E.A.D.S.] , [H.A.N.D.S.] , [M.O.T.H.] , etc.
The paradox Pokemon are really something interesting I'm hoping to see what else gamefreak might show (plus I have a little art idea for them)
I don't really agree with Paradox Pokemon being more "diverse" than Mega Evolutions.
There were plenty of weak Pokemon that got a mega form. Mawile, Abomasnow, Pinsir, Kangaskhan, Audino, Glalie, Houndoom, Banette, Absol, Manectric, and many more. It was a pretty solid split between Pokemon who "needed" them and Pokemon that got them because they were already popular like Gengar, Scizor, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross etc.
It's pretty much the same with Paradox Pokemon, and btw Scarlet has a Paradox form of Salamence which is very much a pseudo legendary, not sure what that article was on about. Volcarona, Amoonguss, Salamence, Hydreigon and Tyranitar were all already pretty strong Pokemon that didn't "need" a Paradox form if you follow that argument. Gallade is debatable, although it does also have a Mega. I think Paradox and Mega forms are pretty equal in how they're split in that regard.
It probably wasn't intentional but it's also pretty cynical in tone to say that the ONLY evolution will be robots, instead of trying to theorycraft what ways that things coming around in the future would influence a Pokemon's development.
This is probably irrelevant my to the subject matter but I just want to say it:
Now THIS is what I call a paradigm shift!
Also you’re NO loser, Kamen! You’re a winner in our eyes!
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amazing video
I love how their Dex entries are BS even for a pokedex entry.
Anyways, while I still feel the past paradoxes are cooler looking I feel the future ones have a lot of charm when we consider their animations, specially when they faint. Mecha Donphan turns into a ball and Delibird gets its head punched out like a boxer robot! That's pretty cool!
>one-way time machine technology
*somewhere in the universe*
Celebi: Y'know, I could just help the humans with this.
Arceus: No. We will not intervene in human machinations anymore.
Celebi: ...any word back from Palkia or Dialga?
Arceus: You know very well they still have not forgiven me for what happened in Hisui...
Theory : hydragon breed with Magearna to create iron jugulis. Apparently, hydragon did breed with a machine, and that makes both the most sense and is ironic I feel in some way.
I’d absolutely love to hear your experience with playing Scarlet or Violet. What did you love about it? What Pokémon you like this generation? What problems you had with it? And Which Gym leader, E4 and Geeta did you like, love, or have a problem with💖💖💖
In my opinion the paradox pokemon are that... A paradox... a time line that shouldn't be.
I don't think the past Pokemon are the ACTUAL PAST versions of these pokemon.
Nor are the FUTURE mons the FUTURE versions.
They are hypotheticals made by destructive power of the legendary pokemon (who we havent seen) that makes terrastialize possible.
If you think about it. TERASTALIZE is litterly putting a power into a pokemon to change their type and empower it.
This is what paradox pokemon are. Devolution and The Singularity. The legendary pokemon we travel with are the Cyclzar who absorbed that power thus became it.
Would there be robotic pokemon? Yes. Pokemone evolve and change. Look at Electrode and Voltorb. Went from being an electric apricorn into a pure electric ball.
And what I think this legendary pokemon (that we dont know) that left all these paradox stuff is.. is one that didn't make actual time travel.
Heck if you know the final plot twist... it makes sense what happened.. but then again... we will probably see this true pokemon one day.. or be religated to UNKNOWN just like Gen 5's true dragon!
I think scarlet and violet did well designwise. The pokemon are interesting, the open world was executed as well as pokemon could. I love the paradox forms for the pure "coolness" of them, the energy that captures a 7-year-old's attention. I was literally squeaking when looking through the scarlet and violet pokedex. They look cool. Sure they're flawed, but all pokemon games have their... jynxes. More recent games just had more. I've come full circle, when I wasn't much into pokemon I was like "ooh, new game cool" then I got my hands on pokemon crystal and the first gen, watched x and y and had some older friend influence, and was like "new game bad." But now I see both. The money-grabbing gimmicky mess, and the game for children that maintains its magic and joy.
Thank you! I thought I was the only one who thought Iron Valiant is a roboticized Gardevour/Gallade fusion.
You're definitely not the only one.