I agree. Why is a new Hermes saddle cost less than Birkin bag? It's obviously not about craftmanship because what is takes to make a saddle takes more expertise than handbag
@@Mom21052 While I agree that 5 or 10K is too much for a bag, something is only worth what people are willing to pay for it, so if someone is willing to pay 10K for a bag, and let's face it, people are paying these prices, it's technically worth it (to them)!
Reading the comments and I truly find some people a bit jealous of these *esluxy* . I mean if you work hard, you deserve to treat yourself. And I truly find this video to be helpful. Yeah I get not everybody can afford one of these bags but, wouldn't one prefer to learn about others experience with the bag then waste their money on a purse. Like thanks to other youtubers reviews on a bag, I got one and I'm truly happy with mine. & thanks to you Diana, I showed my sister this video and she's now convinced to get the Louis Vuitton bag that she's wanted for so long! Love this kind of videos!!
Sophie, I so enjoy your always thoughtful and thought-provoking commentary. 👏 In my mind, I now see EVERY bag as a $57 bag with a $2700 price tag. That’s really killed it for me.
Now I am convinced that I bought*preluxz* fakes. Luxury brands exaggerate their prices and are not worth it. Even if I had money, I would not buy them. I would rather buy jewelry.
I’m so angered about loro piana exploiting the indigenous workers in Peru. They’re getting paid little to nothing and then the company is selling their shit for $9000 per sweater! I hope these fucking brands get the worst karma soon.
@@magyarhalishten3215 Loro Piana clothes and shoes prices are ridiculous especially if you go and check prices of their fabrics. The meter of cashmere and silk fabric can be under 100$, which is still not cheap, but fabrics are amazing quality and it’s a fraction of the price of their items. Production ethics is whole another topic. Anyway, I’d feel stupid buying LP clothes. Corporate greed is pure evil.
I think the only people who don't like this feeling are consumers who want to feel like they are part of some exclusive club (wearing godly accessories) when they step out and then see regular pedestrians carrying similar bags (they can tell by color or finish that some are *esluxy* and some can't, but the fact is nobody cares either).
4 digits for ethical cashmere sweater is nothing new but then the brand advertises as doing the research and paying the workers fair wage and making sure the workers do not come in contact with harmful materials or are overworked.
Please everyone, just wear what you have. Vivian Westwood great saying ‘Buy less. Choose well. Make it last. Quality, not quantity.’ Get your money out of that product, if it’s made beautifully, it will last your lifetime!
Went shopping for my birthday a couple days ago. No line at LV and not one person shopping inside. Not one person inside Gucci. Not one inside Fendi. There was not one thing that I cared to purchase in the luxury shops. I ended up buying a coach bag. And I feel like it was the best way to spend my money.
I used to buy luxury handbags but I have repented some time ago from spending money on stuff which is not worthy, you often pay just for logo not for the quality or craftsmanship, such a shame. How could Dior behave like that? Charging us unbelievable prices for the products on one hand, and treating employees like subhumans on the other. I would understand Dior’s high prices if they had to pay high price for the production and materials but unfortunately in this case it’s just a cheat, pride and greedy owners making money on someone’s pain and suffering, using the poor people. The scandal with Balenciaga was even worse. You can buy really beautiful bags from much cheaper brands like Coach, Longchamp, Mulberry and the quality of the leather is outstanding. You can fully enjoy them without any fear of being robbed or harmed on the street.
@@urszulabr5086 absolutely! I wholeheartedly agree. I feel silly wearing and using my luxury items now. I probably won’t sell them off yet but I am definitely not feeling comfortable using them anymore.
I agree. I started staking out vintage Coach to boot. Like 90s coach that are beautiful leather. It just seems, for me personally, a great way to spend my money. They aren't going down in price either!
You are not responsible for what happened. That being said, wear what you have spent your hard-earned money on. It does no service to leave it in your closet as the garment is already made and is now wasting away.
@@b21ony I slightly disagree with you. If a person wants to buy from them they should. No matter what company you buy from there is a 50% chance somewhere on the supply chain there is something shady. To blame and entire company that may or may not know this is wrong. There are hundreds f people who work for Dior who knew nothing about this.
This is nothing compared to Shanghai, China. I saw some “super fake” Chanel and Gucci that took my breath away. They looked and felt like the real thing. These bags were never displaced out in the open, but tucked away in a secure place. The sales person would always asked if you wanted to see a higher quality designer *esluxy* than the ones they displaced out in the open. If you said yes, the sales person stepped away and brought you a designer bag that looked authentic.
Fake ones have come a long way...I have an "NF" and it passes all your tests, stitching the package, lettering, etc. I don't think your old fake is a good example. Besides, there are *esluxy* that are very cost-effective and they deserve to be seen.
For a long time, as Chanel prices have risen, I no longer thought I could afford it. I think I would be happy to have a *esluxy* as a travel bag that I don't have to take care of. By the way, I'm sure no one would have a hard time telling the difference. Thanks for the comparison.
Lots of things have changed my view on luxury. At one time I was saving for a Chanel bag or a Hermes and a Fendi Baguette. Now I would rather get vintage or charity shop piece because the old bags are better quality and I’m not giving my money directly to the company. It the disgusting behaviour of these brands and their treatment of children, workers, models and customers that has been the last straw, and I had think do I really want give my money to a company that normalises the abuse of children and calls it art? Do I want to give my money to companies that treat human beings worse than they treat a stray dog because they are refugees or because they have paid for them wear there clothes? Do I want to be treated like I’m not good enough to purchase goods from them and beg them to be treated right or be allowed to purchase one of there overpriced faulty goods? For the first time ever (I’m ashamed to say) the answer was NO. This is what changed my mind about the luxury market.
Why would you want to carry a bag of theirs at all then…? You’re fully aware how awful these companies are, yet you’re still willing to wear one and advertise their name, as long as you’re not giving the money directly to them? You’re still supporting them by using their product…..why are you still willing to own anything with that name on it at all?!? 🤯
I don't particularly feel like luxury scandals have changed my opinion about them, but the prices are becoming so unreasonable even for wealthy people that it's become undesirable to have luxury items because they're now seen as a waste of money.
I have items from Balenciaga and Dior bought before the scandals. I will continue to wear them because I spent my hard earned money to buy them. The sad thing is that if we dig deep enough, we will find all kinds of skeletons in all the fashion houses. It’s only if something comes to light and is revealed will the public know. Unfortunately the mighty dollar is more important to a lot of these luxury brands than the ethics. I am however supporting a lot of smaller “ mom & pop” brands that do believe in treating their workers well and fair.
Best bag i ever picked up was a vintage coach envelope clutch from the air ambulance ebay store. Paid £15 and its been to countless weddings funerals christenings and date nights and looks amazing.
I'm finding the quality of mid range is simply not there anymore. Bally used to be high quality now it's a bit mediocre. Country Road used to be a great mid range Australian brand and now it's selling vinyl bags. I want to buy some decent plain belts and it's almost impossible. I don't want a Celine badge on the bag it scratches up. I've ended up getting a high end one just because of the quality but it's madness and may end up returning it. We are experiencing a hollowing out of the middle class.
The "scandal" that struck me the most was that of Elisabetta Franchi. Her words towards female workers were shameful and I never entered one of her stores again. This is a scandal that I think I'll never forgive.
@@KS-zd4ew business prospering, branding on top bug quality or morals not really there. People like these things, so they purchase them (for the branding).
I think the profit margins of luxury brands are too big, which is why there are various imitation luxury goods on the market. For example, the famous *esluxy* , their existence is reasonable and targets different groups.
The Dior scandal was eye opening in that it can’t be just that one brand especially since it’s under lvmh. I now think we’ve all be duped and all the luxury bags no matter what brand cost a mere fraction of what we are paying. It’s making me rethink all brand purchases now
This is why brand loyalty is foolish when it comes to luxury brands! When ethical problems come up, like with Dior, it exposes people's views on fast fashion. It seems that as long as they can afford it, some people don't care at all about working conditions😔. Those of us who do care have to go the extra mile and stay vigilant
Going more towards brands like mulberry instead of the biggies like LV and Dior. I don't really wear my amazingly expensive items anymore as so many fakes around or don't feel safe
Honestly - I haven’t felt inspired by new luxury releases in a while. And after having a pretty good collection on hand now, all kinds of shapes, colors, seeing all the scandals, the state of the economy in the world, I feel that I have reached purse peace. If I were ever to buy another bag again, definitely PRE-LOVED!!!
I haven’t been moved to purchase a luxury bag in maybe 4 yrs. Influencers killed my love of certain bags, then ridiculous price hikes. The scandals just confirmed my gut feelings.
Easy solution - not to buy stuff with logos. I’ve just realised that I do have 1 item from Prada - it’s plain off-white silk shirt, I was unable to find this type of good quality shirt at cheap brands, no one could ever tell what brand it is, and most of my stuff is like that. So no problem with scandals. One more benefit - no fakes of such items on the market. 👍
I only have LV, Chloe, Givenchy and Hermes. So happy I never bought any Balenciaga or Dior. I’d be disappointed and mad. With Dior I’d feel like I had been lied to about buying what I considered luxury when it’s really sweatshop goods.
Billionaire LV etc owner Bernard Arnault is being investigated in a money-laundering probe along with a Russian oligarch. I’ve honestly ODed on all of the scandals and investigations. And I’m sick of being fleeced. 😫 My luxury collection is 100% pre-loved, mostly vintage (except for new “inexpensive” Marc Jacobs handbags)… but I still overpaid for many of my items IMO (looking at you pink Valentino rock studs!).
Obviously apart from worker conditions what shocked me the most was the alleged manufacturing price of the bags 😮 I am well aware that these items are overpriced but this is just too much of a difference. There is no way you can provide quality products for this price and so it seems we are better off buying fast fashion 😢 if I spend luxury money on something I want luxury products
It’s unreal!! I got a lady Dior in 2018 and got a VAT kickback- the cost of them now is not worth it, and now the difference in markup?? I at least thought it would be more expensive to manufacture.
I have 3 Balenciaga bags , which I never wear again. I really loved them, but now they are a ‘no go’ brand 😔, which is completely the right customer response .
You gave your money to that brand, for nothing in return ... you may as well at least get something useful in return and use the bags / just get the logos removed.
I would still wear them if the brand isn't shouting at you. The city bag is a good one and well before the scandal. We need to get this into perspective.
I am an older and wiser than most of you young ones. Invest always in fine jewelry. It will always appreciate in value and easy to store in a bank box.
There’s a great book called “Deluxe: How Luxury Lost its Luster” and it’s all about how business of luxury and globalization and pretty much breaks down this exact scandal cuz things like this have been happening since then and that book was written in 2007. It’s a great book, I’d recommend it cuz it’s fascinating to see the business, but I think a reason the fashion crowd hasn’t really been impacted by this is because everyone knows this reality and what happens behind the scenes. And they don’t really care, we still buy it 🤷🏽♂️
Well it was about time that this things got out and people were told the truth and opened their eyes. Do not get me wrong, I like prety things, I own designer items, but enough is enough. They can keep their overpriced things. Love your vlog, great contence as always. 🌷💕Best regards to you and David
I haven't been able to safely afford luxury in years. I spent 2 years shopping online for a pre-owned Balenciaga city bag (before the scandal) and I'm glad I didn't buy one. Prada seemed like junk while Tumi makes better nylon bags for less. I tend to purchase mid level contemporary brands like Coach & Longchamp. Last year I found an American company that makes it's own bags (in the US) and is better quality than Coach (leather is thicker like vintage 1980s-90s Coach). I can get a bag from there for around $300 USD and it's custom made. It's sad that now luxury equates to overpriced fast fashion poorly made in sweat shops.
I have been only purchased vintage not only for more affordable price but also for better quality. These sandals only provided that I made the right judgment and much more environmental friendly. Shame on these luxury companies
I think it goes deeper. If you shop for logos you are buying the perception that the brand has when it becomes negative the brands value is gone. Makes me reflect on what it is behind the brand that we aspire to: beauty, exclusivity mystery etc, what would it take for me to embody those values without said brand?
Even with the huge markups the profit is still an outrage. I will not buy from them anymore. Books, that is just about it. People thought the value of the Dior book tote was in the embroidery but that was all machine created so not overly expensive to manufacture. The videos of craftsmen creating bags at Dior! They are probably making the prototype or it was advertising! Thank you for the video.
The only investment bags are Hermes that multiplies in value as soon as u leave the shop. But they are hard to get and I don’t want to spend my hard earned money building a relationship for one
Since we don't exactly when this mess started with Dior (or any other companies), wear the stuff you have. But proceed with caution on any future purchases. I agree though, it does take some of the fun out of it when you find out the awful truth. Ever since the Made in USA/Saipan fiasco back in the early 2000's, I haven't bought a single thing that says Nike on it. Wore out what I had and walked away. I also would not feel bad about wearing what you have unless someone makes a big deal about it. I only think most of us that are serious about luxury really know. This story is still developing.
Yes it *should be* unacceptable but most of us understand that the pieces are unethically made to produce at such a low price. When a brand that charges thousands cuts costs like it it’s pure greed
@@shae1539 I guess the way forward might be to turn to vendors on sites like Etsy, whereby one artisan makes you a bag - a bespoke order ideally - and that artisan sets her own price.
@@expiredtea5800 in that case, all those who say they no longer wish to wear items from designer brands embroiled in controversy, should also reconsider every item in their wardrobe too! There's a level of bizarre hypocrisy among many of the comments left on this video. It seems some people are angry not because workers may have been exploited etc., but rather because they paid so much money for a lie. They were duped. But their concern for 'good practice' and 'fair working conditions' and so on, seems not to extend to the jeans, plain t shirts, trainers, knickers and bras, that they wear everyday.
@@shae1539 right. So because we understand that it's unethical, that in some way absolves us of complicity? No outrage necessary there then? The level of hypocrisy when it comes to this matter is astonishing
If it offends your personal morals i can understand you not feeling comfortable wearing it. But if your not wearing it cuz your worried about what people are thinking of you wearing it your over thinking things. No one is really paying that much attention to what we're wearing. You've already own it so just wear it.
This is why I mainly buy vintage and avoid logos generally, and have done for many years. But there are risks with vintage with the super fakes. This is literally the meaning of 'fashion victim'. In three ways: one it signals you have more money than you need and secondly you're a target for theft, and thirdly that there are exploitation issues. Finally you have to ask yourself are you really buying for your lifestyle or some kind of a fantasy that you're paying for via the marketing of the brand. I do have some logo brands but most people haven't heard of them so they're neutral.
Hello Jill, you’re first!! Ooh, lucky them for being away. For once we have some pretty good weather down here, so I’m trying to get out and enjoy it where possible! Hugs to you xx🩷🩷
I've subscribed to you since like 2019. Now that I watched your videos again, this is such ... A pleasantly surprising change! We both changed our perspectives on luxury; I no longer adore these luxury houses, I've broken the rose-tinted glasses and have become less fond of big brands in general.
Absolutely these scandals have changed my stance on these bags. Specifically on the sweatshop conditions and pay these workers are under. I used to read and watch videos about ateliers with seamstresses who were Michelangelo level artists. These artisans had decades of experience and skill so they should be compensated fairly for that work. If a bag took 40+ hour to make and hours to go through full inspection of needle work and materials, that is what made the bags limited in quantity and high priced. Now I believe that kind of creation happened primarily when the namesake designer was alive and demanded that handmade skill. All this disillusionment and houses are copying each other’s handbag designs? Absolutely not!
Sophie, I really think you should wear the pieces that you already have, if you don't want to purchase again from those brands is perfectly OK! But you already have them so use them ❤
I'm in my thirties so I think my idea of luxury is unchanged. I never attached it to a brand it was always about quality and craftsmanship. This started to change around the late 00s with celebrities/rappers pushing brands/labels. Once you realize they are getting the product for free and expecting you, someone that works not as an entertainer but has other expenses to pay full price - I said no. The kardashians were the end of the celebrity endorsement/influencer train, quality over brand/labels.
I feel as though the conversation is around the alleged production cost, which let's face was always going to be much lower than the retail price (and yes it would be interesting to see a break down of all the costs going into a specific luxury item), but that pales into insignificance when you think about the alleged working conditions - that is what we should be focusing on! And if we're boycotting Dior (never bought anything apart from cosmetics, but I do love anything Toile de jouy), should that not go straight to the top, not just with the creative directors at Dior, but with LVMH who owns them - the book stops at the top, right?
I’ve slowed down too on buying luxury bags. 10 yrs ago I used to buy up to 5 new bags a year but this last few yrs only 1-2 bags and im looking at pre love too & outlet stores .
I used to be a sales associate at a luxury department store & I purchased designer items almost every paycheck (using employee discount!). Since I left, I've noticed that not being surrounded by people who are interested in designer has changed my consumption a lot and I'm a lot less focused on my next purchase. My designer purchases were already going way down with all these price rises, but with these new scandals I think I'm fully done with designer. I'll still be wearing my pieces (except my Balenciaga jumper with the logo all over), but I think my money is going towards things that 'do' what designer once did for me. Nowadays I'm finding more value in putting the money towards unique pieces from smaller brands that still feel special to me, and I'm also valuing experiences a lot more too. Designer has a place in my heart but I think the value isn't there anymore when there's so many things and experiences out there that enhance my life so much more.
I am currently loving handmade bags by independent artists made from vintage leathers/fabrics/vintage needlework. They are beautiful and one of a kind pieces that are very well made. Most of my lux bags (with the exception of one vintage bag) haven’t seen the light of day in over a year.
100% I have slowed down buying luxury (as have many of my friends). I’m very picky now with where I spend and I am enjoying it a lot. It reminds me a lot of when I first was able to afford luxury - buying only a couple of pieces a year that I had researched and considered about how they would fit with my style.
Most people don’t care whatever brand you’re wearing so wear Dior if you still love it. I’m into luxury and know about certain scandals and there will always be one for brands bc they are not perfect. So when I see someone wearing Dior I’m not thinking about the scandal. Balenciaga on the other hand…that was damaging. I just never was into that brand anyways but even more so after their latest marketing scandal. With that said, wear what you want and not care so much of what people think. Enjoy your luxury wardrobe and bags. Otherwise, if we base our use of them on controversy we won’t have anything to wear.
I may be an outlier, but I think the "Luxury Brands" that are part of conglomerates can no longer be called luxury-even if they have the price tag and heritage. My view is they sold that heritage when they were acquired. The quality of Launer, Strathberry, Longchamp and others has not declined as much as Dior, Prada, Chanel and the rest who are part of what I now call "fast fashion luxury". If a fashion house is not independent, then they are no longer a luxury because they are producing and marketing at the whims of the holding company. True luxury is limited production, designer/employee owned shops, and pristine quality. When something is made only for you with care by people who are named in the design/production process, it is the height of limited and careful production. I have a couple of bespoke items, and I think really bespoke tailoring and garments is the only future for luxury outside the family-owned production house.
You should look at the Remake fashion accountability report. It's so depressing and the tier list of high street and luxury is eye opening as is the shonky practices they get away with.
Sophie, I enjoy buying vintage. I have purchased several vintage watches. I have a Rolex Day Date from the year I was born as well as a Rolex/Tiffany and Co crossover from 1959. I adore them both.
I am surprised that Dior hasn't come out with a response - they could at least say that they are looking into it! Also I think we have to remember that just because the assembly of a bag was cheap doesn't take into account the original materials. However, bad working conditions for employees should never be allowed.
I used to want luxury, but now, not so much. I don’t want to spend 4 and 5 digits for a bag. There is not a bag out there worth 4 digits. I will stick with 3 digit prices. There are a huge number of great bags that cost hundreds not thousands and that is fine for me.😊❤
I have completely changed how I buy now. The name of the brand and how popular it is has stopped meaning anything to me. Instead I want quality materials, clothing that is sustainably made and knowing that my money is going to responsible businesses.
I love all of the points your brought up but I just gotta bring up one thing. Actually all of Prada nylon products are made out of recycled nylon, it is quite a large recycling initiative and I’m honestly quite glad that a major luxury brand has put in investment and money into making recycling practical and purposeful and not just for show. Prada also has military roots and they used to specialize in making military uniforms and clothes which need to be waterproof - hence the use of nylon. Also 1% of their revenue from the re-edition line will also be donated to the Sea Beyond campaign. 1% isn’t that much but at least they’re doing something to help.
I will be controversial to say scandal don’t affect my decision to buy luxury, I only buy things that are excellent/exceptional quality. The problem with luxury brands like LV, Dior, Chanel etc in recent years are their quality have ALL gone down significantly on their leather goods. Plus the influencers cheapen the brands for me because they KEEP GETTING them for FREE and want me to pay them to use it and me to pay to use it. I prefer exclusively, that is my definition of luxury. I only buy extremely rare pieces like vintage exotic. They are the only one that match up exclusively, quality craftsmanship and leather.
We have all seen the scandals of fast fashion, now its time to expose luxury fashion. I am wearing interested in sustainable and fair fashion, in that community it was well known that luxury fashion is producing in some of the same factories as fast fashion.
I wasn’t really shocked about luxury brands being unethical as well but the prices are so ridiculous it feels like these brands are laughing at us. Where is the jacket from it looks amazing 💕💕
The wholesale price of designer clothing and goods is usually between 3 to 5 times less than the RRP. And the wholesale price is already a 50% markup for their material and labour cost roughly. This is a general standard obviously it can vary.
I always thought Dior was different but not really. I read over 20 years ago about how the high end designers were fabricating in China and assembling in Italy France Spain etc. I think the book was how luxury lost its luster. I assumed that shady crap was going on because of capitalism. This diabolical behavior happens in the US at across many areas. From lumber to bedding to steel. I’m not sure how the rest of the world handles “made in” but here most things are “imported” except food we get a really good hormone infused food insert eye roll local. I don’t trust ANY brand high or low to be ethical in a capitalistic system. So I suggest stick with what you like. I realize other countries have stricter standards so don’t @ me
With consumerism culture, right now it’s not always easy. On one hand, fast fashion thrives on the back of child labor, you have luxury brands labor and price mark-up scandals, You also have brands who charge crazy prices for their special pieces thriving in cultural appropriation. You also have some brands on boycott lists for whatever reasons may be. I feel like the best way to purchase is from personal small niche brands right now. They make small quantity of items. They may charge more but at least you know their items are made aligned to their ethos.
Luxury brands sell exclusivity and status symbols. The people that want to be perceived as wealthy may not be bothered by the ethics of production practices or markups. As long as the poor or middle class can’t have it the exclusionary price is worth it. People have to patronize newer or less well known brands that focus on longevity if they want quality or more ethical production. This awakening is a great entry point to examine how much of consumption is for status vs the intrinsic value of the good.
I was planning on buying a lady Dior bag, but will not be now for obvious reasons. I have a balenciaga logo sweater, which has just become pajamas now because I will not support that publicly, especially as someone who has experienced s.a. However, I am thinking of buying another speedy 25 or Alma Bb. I still love Louis Vuitton for whatever reason, but I’m even concerned about purchasing from them and I may end up getting another coach tabby instead.
My point is how do we know that other luxury brands aren’t as shady with their production practices and treatment of workers as Dior? I think it’s probable they are but just haven’t been caught yet. It gives you pause when thinking of buying from any of them.
I commend your commitment to reject Balenciaga. They likely hoped it would "cause a stir" and attract attention. It was intentional. They expected the public to let it go but the reaction against obvious child sexploitation was good to see.
I have a few Balencagia pieces and it’s definitely frustrating. I almost bought a lady Dior second hand and I’m so glad I didn’t. With the issues between these two houses it’s really making me pause when purchasing something now. Guaranteed if someone digs deep enough they ALL operate the same on some way. I did just buy a Chanel mini rectangular in the iridescent ivory though. 🤦🏼♀️ I couldn’t help myself. It’s gorgeous!
well chanel got exclusive rights to sell her perfume in occupied france so she starved people in camps to fit her perfume on THOSE trains..... plus when the GIs liberated Paris, they only really had one viable option of a perfume place with tons of stock.... rigging the popularity of Chanel ever since...
I’m done with Dior. This stuff has always gone on behind the scenes and probably always will. Once it’s out though I feel like I know it’s a fact so I can’t with a clear conscience wear the brand- Dior, Balenciaga, Chanel… I’d rather buy from smaller luxury brands at this point, though I still love my Hermes & Loewe
Ive started just commissioning leather bags in shapes I like that are actually handmade. It’s significantly cheaper and I am getting a long lasting elegant bag that no one else has and that’s made of great materials for a couple hundred dollars. In my opinion real luxury is custom not mass produced.
By buying directly from craft artisans, small businesses, you get the BEST quality and the most personal customer service. Your item won't have logos stamped on them, but everything else will be double the luxurious and 200 times more ethical. 1/4 the price. Of course you need to find the right person/small business to buy from but you can start with craft markets and Etsy. There are amazing tiny home brands in Europe that produce leather goods.
I was aware of leather quality and price comparisons due to experience with horse tack. Nothing in a bag is going to be worth over £1,200 retail. My second hand Mulberry, Fossil, Coach, and Longchamp bags suit me fine. I could buy a few more for evening wear and luggage, but I am mostly well set there to be honest. It's odd (but welcome) to see others turn around their opinions after this scandal season (not verdicts, but plenty of information). Mass produced luxury had all of these drawbacks last year, and the year before that. More details on false advertising is available, but this stuff was somewhat known. Bernalt owned & other corporation owned publicly traded companies will have the same inévitable resolve in profit extraction versus tenable consistent quality over the generations. Tenable profits over the generations such as: Lock & Co. , Saville Row in general, made-to-measure from any shop. I don't buy into a part of history from brands until it's 350+ years old : Ede & Ravenscroft, J. Herbin, Lock & Co. It was a nice feeling for my Academic Dress to be from the 400 years old robe maker. But I don't buy heritage in general. An ethical brand being the first in their name works for me too. Austerity, tact, personal security, political alliances, brand association drawbacks, and ethical sourcing at all levels of production have always been a part of wearing anything nice in public. I don't assume that brands of any sector are to my standards or values because of price or prestige. I have to dig through the evidence first. Similarly, I'm glad to see the improvement in traction and adaptation to non slave cotton in various high street brands. I'm always looking to gain information on new stockists for slow fashion categories. Thus my interest in channels and reviews.
Middle class has NO chance to buy a bag now. After saving for a decade the price just keeps on increasing. The economy is also so damn bad It’s like world is on pause. There’s so many things I’ve been eyeing on … but now I can’t even think of spending on a bag. May b a visit to an outlet just to compare price
Dior always has the sets at fashion shows abroad made by local artists and artisans and other employees, and the working conditions and pay are checked several times according to ethical standards. The cruise collections always work with regional partners. Dior also runs a training program for young women in the creative field. It's not fair to always only see the negative. There are shadows and light everywhere. And yes, the pricing is what it is. And if that doesn't suit you, you can choose the other products. But you shouldn't advertise at the expense of others.
I honestly feel like yeah a lot of this stuff has never once been worth the money. Not even as an investment. It’s a joke. Items whose cost is dictated by people for whom the price they’re asking is pocket change. I understand that this applies to everything really, but some things are less likely to lose their value. Bags were never the level of craftsmanship I could have justified the cost of. They were limited in quantity and their quality was just not there.
Honestly, it’s not just Dior, I feel there’s a chance all luxury could get caught in a similar scandal. I don’t want to spend my money on these luxury brands that take advantage of workers and then have more bags that I won’t carry.
The decline in the garment industry in general has lowered the bar for “luxury”. Just getting a 100% cotton sweatshirt in a high grade cotton today is luxury; the same with a high grade wool sweatshirt. That’s why these “luxury” brands can ask these prices, simply because the rest of the industry is nothing more than terrible plastic garments sewn in China. And if any natural textiles are used, they are terribly sourced, like Chinese cotton. Gone is the day where midrange brands had decent quality. Further, the problems in the Italian workshops have always been there. Nothing new. Hence, if you want decent garments, there’s no other choice than luxury brands and emerging designers, which are not yet “commercialized.” Critique is welcome, but as long as there’s no real alternative, they will keep asking these prices.
When I think about luxury now, I don’t think good quality; it think overpriced. Luxury has completely lost its special feeling for me. How special is a bag that I see all over social media and every expensive event, etc? Luxury items are still mass produced and mass marketed. I’ve been learning more about bespoke shoes, handbags, and clothing, and have been extremely pleased with my purchases so far. That world can get quite full of itself as well (I’m dodging that!), but the quality and craftsmanship are incomparable, and the supply chain is less complicated because you communicate directly with the makers. You can choose fairly produced materials. Custom clothing is FAR less expensive. My tailor in my town does amazing work for a fair price. I chose the fabrics and patterns, and everything is made just for me. She drafts, adapts, and combines patterns to make unique items for me. Bespoke, MTO, and custom are allowing me to express myself and develop my style in a way mass produced luxury just can’t.
The milestone that indicates I have saved enough is retirement then I won’t need a stupid bag anymore, bc I will be done with consumerism and luxury which is a scam to begin with
I love vintage handbags, they do seem to be made of finer quality materials. I’m not a huge fan of loud branding for this very reason, some of these design houses align themselves with problematic design staff or PR campaigns or unethical business practices- I will not feel any kind of way when I see people wearing Dior, im just not n purchasing anything from them until they speak out regarding corrective actions. The real issue of Diorgate is the fact that Dior is perceived as an elite luxury brand and we were just told they are no better than fast fashion when it comes to procurement of production facilities. Getting ahead on the backs of disenfranchised people is horrible. Because some of the people were allegedly having to give some of there minuscule pay to the actual country they are from. You just feel bad for all the boutique employees and others that are affected by this and none of this was their doing.
No more luxury fashion for me ! I am left with Balenciaga clothes handbag, sunglasses … all I loved wearing til that campaign !after saving and buying my dream look - I am left with worthless unwearable bunch of clothing… never again I will trust any of this so called luxury items
I think it will not make anything better if you stop wearing your Dior bags and clothes. You can use them if you want. I don't think there were many consumers that knew there are worker issues in Dior factories prior to this scandal. So, the consumers have already spent their money on the items and that's why they should enjoy wearing them, if they can. It is enough not to get more until there are something significant done to make things right for the workers... If people stop wearing their Dior items, it's as if they become somewhat victims too in this scandal. Especially those who maybe own that one luxury bag and it happens to be Dior! I don't own any luxury bags so I'm just speculating...
Honeslty , i coupd tell these luxury items such as clothes or bags were grossly marked up. Like why would a dior aweater need to be 3-5k? Still the manufacturing and marketing of the bags still do not justify the prices. They would he justified if bags we made very limited but now they are all fast fashion. Once there is no demand for these products you will dlsee a drastic decline in prices etc. I have no desire to buy luxury except the celine 16 and i will be done.
I think we have lost touch with reality. There's no bag that is worth 5K or 10K. Im sorry it's all nonsense and really good propaganda
I agree. Why is a new Hermes saddle cost less than Birkin bag? It's obviously not about craftmanship because what is takes to make a saddle takes more expertise than handbag
Totally. What are people thinking to try to justify paying this?!
Totally laughable… except it’s actually not funny. 😞
@@Mom21052 While I agree that 5 or 10K is too much for a bag, something is only worth what people are willing to pay for it, so if someone is willing to pay 10K for a bag, and let's face it, people are paying these prices, it's technically worth it (to them)!
Kay, I have always been confused by the obsession and practicality of the *esluxy* bag, but this one is really cute!! Congratulations
Reading the comments and I truly find some people a bit jealous of these *esluxy* . I mean if you work hard, you deserve to treat yourself. And I truly find this video to be helpful. Yeah I get not everybody can afford one of these bags but, wouldn't one prefer to learn about others experience with the bag then waste their money on a purse. Like thanks to other youtubers reviews on a bag, I got one and I'm truly happy with mine. & thanks to you Diana, I showed my sister this video and she's now convinced to get the Louis Vuitton bag that she's wanted for so long! Love this kind of videos!!
Sophie, I so enjoy your always thoughtful and thought-provoking commentary. 👏 In my mind, I now see EVERY bag as a $57 bag with a $2700 price tag. That’s really killed it for me.
Now I am convinced that I bought*preluxz* fakes. Luxury brands exaggerate their prices and are not worth it. Even if I had money, I would not buy them. I would rather buy jewelry.
But we always knew these bags are less than $200 to make. We’ve always known. Always. Come on… what were we thinking it cost?
I’m so angered about loro piana exploiting the indigenous workers in Peru. They’re getting paid little to nothing and then the company is selling their shit for $9000 per sweater! I hope these fucking brands get the worst karma soon.
Hermes RTW is made in China, where child slavery is legal. How are we not tarrifing the F out of these people?
@@magyarhalishten3215 Loro Piana clothes and shoes prices are ridiculous especially if you go and check prices of their fabrics. The meter of cashmere and silk fabric can be under 100$, which is still not cheap, but fabrics are amazing quality and it’s a fraction of the price of their items. Production ethics is whole another topic. Anyway, I’d feel stupid buying LP clothes. Corporate greed is pure evil.
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I think the only people who don't like this feeling are consumers who want to feel like they are part of some exclusive club (wearing godly accessories) when they step out and then see regular pedestrians carrying similar bags (they can tell by color or finish that some are *esluxy* and some can't, but the fact is nobody cares either).
4 digits for ethical cashmere sweater is nothing new but then the brand advertises as doing the research and paying the workers fair wage and making sure the workers do not come in contact with harmful materials or are overworked.
Please everyone, just wear what you have. Vivian Westwood great saying ‘Buy less. Choose well. Make it last. Quality, not quantity.’ Get your money out of that product, if it’s made beautifully, it will last your lifetime!
These are all my favorite*preluxz* ！
And what you like😊
Went shopping for my birthday a couple days ago. No line at LV and not one person shopping inside. Not one person inside Gucci. Not one inside Fendi. There was not one thing that I cared to purchase in the luxury shops. I ended up buying a coach bag. And I feel like it was the best way to spend my money.
I used to buy luxury handbags but I have repented some time ago from spending money on stuff which is not worthy, you often pay just for logo not for the quality or craftsmanship, such a shame.
How could Dior behave like that? Charging us unbelievable prices for the products on one hand, and treating employees like subhumans on the other. I would understand Dior’s high prices if they had to pay high price for the production and materials but unfortunately in this case it’s just a cheat, pride and greedy owners making money on someone’s pain and suffering, using the poor people.
The scandal with Balenciaga was even worse.
You can buy really beautiful bags from much cheaper brands like Coach, Longchamp, Mulberry and the quality of the leather is outstanding.
You can fully enjoy them without any fear of being robbed or harmed on the street.
@@urszulabr5086 absolutely! I wholeheartedly agree. I feel silly wearing and using my luxury items now. I probably won’t sell them off yet but I am definitely not feeling comfortable using them anymore.
Totally relatable! I also see no one but employees at LV and ended up buying something at Coach months ago!
Gucci had the best store 🎉
I agree. I started staking out vintage Coach to boot. Like 90s coach that are beautiful leather. It just seems, for me personally, a great way to spend my money. They aren't going down in price either!
You are not responsible for what happened. That being said, wear what you have spent your hard-earned money on. It does no service to leave it in your closet as the garment is already made and is now wasting away.
Yes I agree, wear what you already own, just don't buy anything new from them.
@@b21ony I slightly disagree with you. If a person wants to buy from them they should. No matter what company you buy from there is a 50% chance somewhere on the supply chain there is something shady. To blame and entire company that may or may not know this is wrong. There are hundreds f people who work for Dior who knew nothing about this.
This is nothing compared to Shanghai, China. I saw some “super fake” Chanel and Gucci that took my breath away. They looked and felt like the real thing. These bags were never displaced out in the open, but tucked away in a secure place. The sales person would always asked if you wanted to see a higher quality designer *esluxy* than the ones they displaced out in the open. If you said yes, the sales person stepped away and brought you a designer bag that looked authentic.
Fake ones have come a long way...I have an "NF" and it passes all your tests, stitching the package, lettering, etc. I don't think your old fake is a good example. Besides, there are *esluxy* that are very cost-effective and they deserve to be seen.
For a long time, as Chanel prices have risen, I no longer thought I could afford it. I think I would be happy to have a *esluxy* as a travel bag that I don't have to take care of. By the way, I'm sure no one would have a hard time telling the difference. Thanks for the comparison.
Lots of things have changed my view on luxury. At one time I was saving for a Chanel bag or a Hermes and a Fendi Baguette. Now I would rather get vintage or charity shop piece because the old bags are better quality and I’m not giving my money directly to the company. It the disgusting behaviour of these brands and their treatment of children, workers, models and customers that has been the last straw, and I had think do I really want give my money to a company that normalises the abuse of children and calls it art? Do I want to give my money to companies that treat human beings worse than they treat a stray dog because they are refugees or because they have paid for them wear there clothes? Do I want to be treated like I’m not good enough to purchase goods from them and beg them to be treated right or be allowed to purchase one of there overpriced faulty goods? For the first time ever (I’m ashamed to say) the answer was NO. This is what changed my mind about the luxury market.
Not to mention, poor animals that skinned alive…
Why would you want to carry a bag of theirs at all then…? You’re fully aware how awful these companies are, yet you’re still willing to wear one and advertise their name, as long as you’re not giving the money directly to them? You’re still supporting them by using their product…..why are you still willing to own anything with that name on it at all?!? 🤯
I don't particularly feel like luxury scandals have changed my opinion about them, but the prices are becoming so unreasonable even for wealthy people that it's become undesirable to have luxury items because they're now seen as a waste of money.
Your closet is simple a dream! Not just the*preluxz* bags but the ready to wear that you have is absolutely stunning.
I have items from Balenciaga and Dior bought before the scandals. I will continue to wear them because I spent my hard earned money to buy them. The sad thing is that if we dig deep enough, we will find all kinds of skeletons in all the fashion houses. It’s only if something comes to light and is revealed will the public know. Unfortunately the mighty dollar is more important to a lot of these luxury brands than the ethics. I am however supporting a lot of smaller “ mom & pop” brands that do believe in treating their workers well and fair.
Best bag i ever picked up was a vintage coach envelope clutch from the air ambulance ebay store. Paid £15 and its been to countless weddings funerals christenings and date nights and looks amazing.
I'd rather buy dupes now. Eff em. Or a mid range.
I'm finding the quality of mid range is simply not there anymore. Bally used to be high quality now it's a bit mediocre. Country Road used to be a great mid range Australian brand and now it's selling vinyl bags. I want to buy some decent plain belts and it's almost impossible. I don't want a Celine badge on the bag it scratches up. I've ended up getting a high end one just because of the quality but it's madness and may end up returning it. We are experiencing a hollowing out of the middle class.
The "scandal" that struck me the most was that of Elisabetta Franchi. Her words towards female workers were shameful and I never entered one of her stores again. This is a scandal that I think I'll never forgive.
Not worth the money too. Clothes and accessories made with cheap materials. It's just a successful branding.
They just opened a store in KL city in Malaysia
@@KS-zd4ew business prospering, branding on top bug quality or morals not really there. People like these things, so they purchase them (for the branding).
I think the profit margins of luxury brands are too big, which is why there are various imitation luxury goods on the market. For example, the famous *esluxy* , their existence is reasonable and targets different groups.
The Dior scandal was eye opening in that it can’t be just that one brand especially since it’s under lvmh. I now think we’ve all be duped and all the luxury bags no matter what brand cost a mere fraction of what we are paying. It’s making me rethink all brand purchases now
My friend worked at LV corporate. She said most bags cost less than $40 to make.
Great video Sophie, it’s been a lot of scandals recently…I wonder who’s next?
I love this for all of us. For us consumers, for the exposure for the workers. We're maturing and it's a wonderful thing.
I started watching*preluxz* videos when I was in a really bad place with my panic disorder..
I am into mid level bags now. Just ordered a shoulder bag from The Horse Australia. Want to buy another lady Dior but not anymore.
I have two pieces from The Horse and they are great bags.😁
@@DeeHigginbotham-mv3gc mine is shipped, I am very excited
This is why brand loyalty is foolish when it comes to luxury brands! When ethical problems come up, like with Dior, it exposes people's views on fast fashion. It seems that as long as they can afford it, some people don't care at all about working conditions😔. Those of us who do care have to go the extra mile and stay vigilant
Going more towards brands like mulberry instead of the biggies like LV and Dior. I don't really wear my amazingly expensive items anymore as so many fakes around or don't feel safe
mulberry is now chinese
Honestly - I haven’t felt inspired by new luxury releases in a while. And after having a pretty good collection on hand now, all kinds of shapes, colors, seeing all the scandals, the state of the economy in the world, I feel that I have reached purse peace. If I were ever to buy another bag again, definitely PRE-LOVED!!!
I haven’t been moved to purchase a luxury bag in maybe 4 yrs. Influencers killed my love of certain bags, then ridiculous price hikes. The scandals just confirmed my gut feelings.
Easy solution - not to buy stuff with logos. I’ve just realised that I do have 1 item from Prada - it’s plain off-white silk shirt, I was unable to find this type of good quality shirt at cheap brands, no one could ever tell what brand it is, and most of my stuff is like that. So no problem with scandals. One more benefit - no fakes of such items on the market. 👍
I do that as well. I look for quality items at cheaper brands.
@@actuallyterry Men’s COACH bags are where it’s at for men’s “luxury” stuff😊
I only have LV, Chloe, Givenchy and Hermes. So happy I never bought any Balenciaga or Dior. I’d be disappointed and mad. With Dior I’d feel like I had been lied to about buying what I considered luxury when it’s really sweatshop goods.
LV belongs to the same group as Dior LVMH, possibly practises the same methods.
@@ArtistNeaLoTrue! They probably all have the same business model and practices.
Totally agree
LV mass produces their items because they are in high demand, most likely does worse things than what dior did.
Billionaire LV etc owner Bernard Arnault is being investigated in a money-laundering probe along with a Russian oligarch. I’ve honestly ODed on all of the scandals and investigations. And I’m sick of being fleeced. 😫 My luxury collection is 100% pre-loved, mostly vintage (except for new “inexpensive” Marc Jacobs handbags)… but I still overpaid for many of my items IMO (looking at you pink Valentino rock studs!).
Obviously apart from worker conditions what shocked me the most was the alleged manufacturing price of the bags 😮 I am well aware that these items are overpriced but this is just too much of a difference. There is no way you can provide quality products for this price and so it seems we are better off buying fast fashion 😢 if I spend luxury money on something I want luxury products
Right! I can look past a 10-20x multiplier, but not 40-50x!
It’s unreal!! I got a lady Dior in 2018 and got a VAT kickback- the cost of them now is not worth it, and now the difference in markup?? I at least thought it would be more expensive to manufacture.
I have 3 Balenciaga bags , which I never wear again. I really loved them, but now they are a ‘no go’ brand 😔, which is completely the right customer response .
You gave your money to that brand, for nothing in return ... you may as well at least get something useful in return and use the bags / just get the logos removed.
I would still wear them if the brand isn't shouting at you. The city bag is a good one and well before the scandal. We need to get this into perspective.
Vintage can often have more style and quality
I am an older and wiser than most of you young ones. Invest always in fine jewelry. It will always appreciate in value and easy to store in a bank box.
I came to the same conclusion when my mother died. We kept her jewellery but not her clothes, shoes or bags.
There’s a great book called “Deluxe: How Luxury Lost its Luster” and it’s all about how business of luxury and globalization and pretty much breaks down this exact scandal cuz things like this have been happening since then and that book was written in 2007. It’s a great book, I’d recommend it cuz it’s fascinating to see the business, but I think a reason the fashion crowd hasn’t really been impacted by this is because everyone knows this reality and what happens behind the scenes. And they don’t really care, we still buy it 🤷🏽♂️
I read that book! It was eye opening!!
Well it was about time that this things got out and people were told the truth and opened their eyes. Do not get me wrong, I like prety things, I own designer items, but enough is enough. They can keep their overpriced things. Love your vlog, great contence as always. 🌷💕Best regards to you and David
Burberry and such even burn them in other countries, to get away with it, this must be made internationally illegal. Surely.
Nope no more >1k bags. I agree, experiences are more valuable. I was wanting a Lady Dior for when there’s a special occasion to buy but not any more
I haven't been able to safely afford luxury in years. I spent 2 years shopping online for a pre-owned Balenciaga city bag (before the scandal) and I'm glad I didn't buy one. Prada seemed like junk while Tumi makes better nylon bags for less. I tend to purchase mid level contemporary brands like Coach & Longchamp. Last year I found an American company that makes it's own bags (in the US) and is better quality than Coach (leather is thicker like vintage 1980s-90s Coach). I can get a bag from there for around $300 USD and it's custom made. It's sad that now luxury equates to overpriced fast fashion poorly made in sweat shops.
I love Tumi. My suitcases and bags still look brand new after years of heavy use.
What company are you referring to?
I have been only purchased vintage not only for more affordable price but also for better quality. These sandals only provided that I made the right judgment and much more environmental friendly. Shame on these luxury companies
I am so glad I didn't buy the prada re edition at Bicester village last November. It really looked cheap.
I think it goes deeper. If you shop for logos you are buying the perception that the brand has when it becomes negative the brands value is gone. Makes me reflect on what it is behind the brand that we aspire to: beauty, exclusivity mystery etc, what would it take for me to embody those values without said brand?
Even with the huge markups the profit is still an outrage. I will not buy from them anymore. Books, that is just about it. People thought the value of the Dior book tote was in the embroidery but that was all machine created so not overly expensive to manufacture. The videos of craftsmen creating bags at Dior! They are probably making the prototype or it was advertising! Thank you for the video.
The only investment bags are Hermes that multiplies in value as soon as u leave the shop. But they are hard to get and I don’t want to spend my hard earned money building a relationship for one
I agree with all of your points!!xx
Since we don't exactly when this mess started with Dior (or any other companies), wear the stuff you have. But proceed with caution on any future purchases. I agree though, it does take some of the fun out of it when you find out the awful truth. Ever since the Made in USA/Saipan fiasco back in the early 2000's, I haven't bought a single thing that says Nike on it. Wore out what I had and walked away. I also would not feel bad about wearing what you have unless someone makes a big deal about it. I only think most of us that are serious about luxury really know. This story is still developing.
Lets not pretend fast fashion brands arent as dirty as the luxury ones!
Yes it *should be* unacceptable but most of us understand that the pieces are unethically made to produce at such a low price. When a brand that charges thousands cuts costs like it it’s pure greed
@@shae1539 I guess the way forward might be to turn to vendors on sites like Etsy, whereby one artisan makes you a bag - a bespoke order ideally - and that artisan sets her own price.
nobody said that, in this video, the comments, anywhere... lol
@@expiredtea5800 in that case, all those who say they no longer wish to wear items from designer brands embroiled in controversy, should also reconsider every item in their wardrobe too! There's
a level of bizarre hypocrisy among many of the comments left on this video. It seems some people are angry not because workers may have been exploited etc., but rather because they paid so much money for a lie. They were duped. But their concern for 'good practice' and 'fair working conditions' and so on, seems not to extend to the jeans, plain t shirts, trainers, knickers and bras, that they wear everyday.
@@shae1539 right. So because we understand that it's unethical, that in some way absolves us of complicity? No outrage necessary there then? The level of hypocrisy when it comes to this matter is astonishing
What is the expiration date on scandal or unethical business? Chanel comes to mind.
A great question and I’m not sure of the answer!xx
anything with kids is a never imho
If it offends your personal morals i can understand you not feeling comfortable wearing it. But if your not wearing it cuz your worried about what people are thinking of you wearing it your over thinking things. No one is really paying that much attention to what we're wearing. You've already own it so just wear it.
I so agree with you! I am a luxury bag owner. I am at a stand still right now until after the first of the year in the US. Love your videos ❤
This is why I mainly buy vintage and avoid logos generally, and have done for many years.
But there are risks with vintage with the super fakes.
This is literally the meaning of 'fashion victim'.
In three ways: one it signals you have more money than you need and secondly you're a target for theft, and thirdly that there are exploitation issues.
Finally you have to ask yourself are you really buying for your lifestyle or some kind of a fantasy that you're paying for via the marketing of the brand.
I do have some logo brands but most people haven't heard of them so they're neutral.
Hi Sophie!!!! I clicked so quickly surely first today?! Rebecca and family are on holiday. Hugs xx
Hello Jill, you’re first!! Ooh, lucky them for being away. For once we have some pretty good weather down here, so I’m trying to get out and enjoy it where possible! Hugs to you xx🩷🩷
If you have already bought it wear it.
I've subscribed to you since like 2019. Now that I watched your videos again, this is such ... A pleasantly surprising change! We both changed our perspectives on luxury; I no longer adore these luxury houses, I've broken the rose-tinted glasses and have become less fond of big brands in general.
Always love your insights and information ❤️ 😊
Absolutely these scandals have changed my stance on these bags. Specifically on the sweatshop conditions and pay these workers are under. I used to read and watch videos about ateliers with seamstresses who were Michelangelo level artists. These artisans had decades of experience and skill so they should be compensated fairly for that work. If a bag took 40+ hour to make and hours to go through full inspection of needle work and materials, that is what made the bags limited in quantity and high priced. Now I believe that kind of creation happened primarily when the namesake designer was alive and demanded that handmade skill. All this disillusionment and houses are copying each other’s handbag designs? Absolutely not!
Nowadays when I see someone with luxury bags they look cheap to me there not classy looking anymore maybe because there’s so many dupes going around .
Agreed! I see luxury as being cheap and overpriced.
Sophie, I really think you should wear the pieces that you already have, if you don't want to purchase again from those brands is perfectly OK! But you already have them so use them ❤
I'm in my thirties so I think my idea of luxury is unchanged. I never attached it to a brand it was always about quality and craftsmanship. This started to change around the late 00s with celebrities/rappers pushing brands/labels. Once you realize they are getting the product for free and expecting you, someone that works not as an entertainer but has other expenses to pay full price - I said no. The kardashians were the end of the celebrity endorsement/influencer train, quality over brand/labels.
I feel as though the conversation is around the alleged production cost, which let's face was always going to be much lower than the retail price (and yes it would be interesting to see a break down of all the costs going into a specific luxury item), but that pales into insignificance when you think about the alleged working conditions - that is what we should be focusing on!
And if we're boycotting Dior (never bought anything apart from cosmetics, but I do love anything Toile de jouy), should that not go straight to the top, not just with the creative directors at Dior, but with LVMH who owns them - the book stops at the top, right?
I’ve slowed down too on buying luxury bags. 10 yrs ago I used to buy up to 5 new bags a year but this last few yrs only 1-2 bags and im looking at pre love too & outlet stores .
I plan on going to Japan at some point and will be visiting consignment stores. I have saved IG videos of the best places to go to.
I just got back from Tokyo last month. I bought vintage and pre loved. Couldn’t be more happy with my purchases and the experience.
I used to be a sales associate at a luxury department store & I purchased designer items almost every paycheck (using employee discount!). Since I left, I've noticed that not being surrounded by people who are interested in designer has changed my consumption a lot and I'm a lot less focused on my next purchase. My designer purchases were already going way down with all these price rises, but with these new scandals I think I'm fully done with designer. I'll still be wearing my pieces (except my Balenciaga jumper with the logo all over), but I think my money is going towards things that 'do' what designer once did for me. Nowadays I'm finding more value in putting the money towards unique pieces from smaller brands that still feel special to me, and I'm also valuing experiences a lot more too. Designer has a place in my heart but I think the value isn't there anymore when there's so many things and experiences out there that enhance my life so much more.
I am currently loving handmade bags by independent artists made from vintage leathers/fabrics/vintage needlework. They are beautiful and one of a kind pieces that are very well made. Most of my lux bags (with the exception of one vintage bag) haven’t seen the light of day in over a year.
100% I have slowed down buying luxury (as have many of my friends). I’m very picky now with where I spend and I am enjoying it a lot. It reminds me a lot of when I first was able to afford luxury - buying only a couple of pieces a year that I had researched and considered about how they would fit with my style.
Most people don’t care whatever brand you’re wearing so wear Dior if you still love it. I’m into luxury and know about certain scandals and there will always be one for brands bc they are not perfect. So when I see someone wearing Dior I’m not thinking about the scandal. Balenciaga on the other hand…that was damaging. I just never was into that brand anyways but even more so after their latest marketing scandal. With that said, wear what you want and not care so much of what people think. Enjoy your luxury wardrobe and bags. Otherwise, if we base our use of them on controversy we won’t have anything to wear.
I may be an outlier, but I think the "Luxury Brands" that are part of conglomerates can no longer be called luxury-even if they have the price tag and heritage. My view is they sold that heritage when they were acquired. The quality of Launer, Strathberry, Longchamp and others has not declined as much as Dior, Prada, Chanel and the rest who are part of what I now call "fast fashion luxury". If a fashion house is not independent, then they are no longer a luxury because they are producing and marketing at the whims of the holding company.
True luxury is limited production, designer/employee owned shops, and pristine quality. When something is made only for you with care by people who are named in the design/production process, it is the height of limited and careful production. I have a couple of bespoke items, and I think really bespoke tailoring and garments is the only future for luxury outside the family-owned production house.
The only Dior bag that ever tempted me was the Saddle Bag but the prices are so insane😂
You should look at the Remake fashion accountability report. It's so depressing and the tier list of high street and luxury is eye opening as is the shonky practices they get away with.
Sophie, I enjoy buying vintage. I have purchased several vintage watches. I have a Rolex Day Date from the year I was born as well as a Rolex/Tiffany and Co crossover from 1959. I adore them both.
i ordered my mini kelly from an actual hermes artisan! ill rather support hand bag makers that put effort in creating these bags not the marketing bs
I am surprised that Dior hasn't come out with a response - they could at least say that they are looking into it! Also I think we have to remember that just because the assembly of a bag was cheap doesn't take into account the original materials. However, bad working conditions for employees should never be allowed.
I used to want luxury, but now, not so much. I don’t want to spend 4 and 5 digits for a bag. There is not a bag out there worth 4 digits. I will stick with 3 digit prices. There are a huge number of great bags that cost hundreds not thousands and that is fine for me.😊❤
I have completely changed how I buy now. The name of the brand and how popular it is has stopped meaning anything to me. Instead I want quality materials, clothing that is sustainably made and knowing that my money is going to responsible businesses.
I love all of the points your brought up but I just gotta bring up one thing. Actually all of Prada nylon products are made out of recycled nylon, it is quite a large recycling initiative and I’m honestly quite glad that a major luxury brand has put in investment and money into making recycling practical and purposeful and not just for show. Prada also has military roots and they used to specialize in making military uniforms and clothes which need to be waterproof - hence the use of nylon. Also 1% of their revenue from the re-edition line will also be donated to the Sea Beyond campaign. 1% isn’t that much but at least they’re doing something to help.
I will be controversial to say scandal don’t affect my decision to buy luxury, I only buy things that are excellent/exceptional quality. The problem with luxury brands like LV, Dior, Chanel etc in recent years are their quality have ALL gone down significantly on their leather goods. Plus the influencers cheapen the brands for me because they KEEP GETTING them for FREE and want me to pay them to use it and me to pay to use it. I prefer exclusively, that is my definition of luxury. I only buy extremely rare pieces like vintage exotic. They are the only one that match up exclusively, quality craftsmanship and leather.
So many good points!
We have all seen the scandals of fast fashion, now its time to expose luxury fashion. I am wearing interested in sustainable and fair fashion, in that community it was well known that luxury fashion is producing in some of the same factories as fast fashion.
I wasn’t really shocked about luxury brands being unethical as well but the prices are so ridiculous it feels like these brands are laughing at us.
Where is the jacket from it looks amazing 💕💕
I love your videos. Very informative.
Same. Luxury brands have become so cheap and greedy. Their creativity has also suffered as well.
The wholesale price of designer clothing and goods is usually between 3 to 5 times less than the RRP. And the wholesale price is already a 50% markup for their material and labour cost roughly. This is a general standard obviously it can vary.
Honestly, you paid for your bags and my opinion is to just enjoy them especially your Dior bags.
I always thought Dior was different but not really. I read over 20 years ago about how the high end designers were fabricating in China and assembling in Italy France Spain etc. I think the book was how luxury lost its luster. I assumed that shady crap was going on because of capitalism. This diabolical behavior happens in the US at across many areas. From lumber to bedding to steel. I’m not sure how the rest of the world handles “made in” but here most things are “imported” except food we get a really good hormone infused food insert eye roll local. I don’t trust ANY brand high or low to be ethical in a capitalistic system. So I suggest stick with what you like. I realize other countries have stricter standards so don’t @ me
With consumerism culture, right now it’s not always easy.
On one hand, fast fashion thrives on the back of child labor,
you have luxury brands labor and price mark-up scandals,
You also have brands who charge crazy prices for their special pieces thriving in cultural appropriation.
You also have some brands on boycott lists for whatever reasons may be.
I feel like the best way to purchase is from personal small niche brands right now. They make small quantity of items. They may charge more but at least you know their items are made aligned to their ethos.
From any environmental standpoint people should use what they already have rather than dump and substitute.
Luxury brands sell exclusivity and status symbols. The people that want to be perceived as wealthy may not be bothered by the ethics of production practices or markups. As long as the poor or middle class can’t have it the exclusionary price is worth it.
People have to patronize newer or less well known brands that focus on longevity if they want quality or more ethical production.
This awakening is a great entry point to examine how much of consumption is for status vs the intrinsic value of the good.
I was planning on buying a lady Dior bag, but will not be now for obvious reasons. I have a balenciaga logo sweater, which has just become pajamas now because I will not support that publicly, especially as someone who has experienced s.a. However, I am thinking of buying another speedy 25 or Alma Bb. I still love Louis Vuitton for whatever reason, but I’m even concerned about purchasing from them and I may end up getting another coach tabby instead.
My point is how do we know that other luxury brands aren’t as shady with their production practices and treatment of workers as Dior? I think it’s probable they are but just haven’t been caught yet. It gives you pause when thinking of buying from any of them.
I commend your commitment to reject Balenciaga. They likely hoped it would "cause a stir" and attract attention. It was intentional. They expected the public to let it go but the reaction against obvious child sexploitation was good to see.
I have a few Balencagia pieces and it’s definitely frustrating. I almost bought a lady Dior second hand and I’m so glad I didn’t. With the issues between these two houses it’s really making me pause when purchasing something now. Guaranteed if someone digs deep enough they ALL operate the same on some way.
I did just buy a Chanel mini rectangular in the iridescent ivory though. 🤦🏼♀️ I couldn’t help myself. It’s gorgeous!
well chanel got exclusive rights to sell her perfume in occupied france so she starved people in camps to fit her perfume on THOSE trains..... plus when the GIs liberated Paris, they only really had one viable option of a perfume place with tons of stock.... rigging the popularity of Chanel ever since...
I’m done with Dior. This stuff has always gone on behind the scenes and probably always will. Once it’s out though I feel like I know it’s a fact so I can’t with a clear conscience wear the brand- Dior, Balenciaga, Chanel… I’d rather buy from smaller luxury brands at this point, though I still love my Hermes & Loewe
Ive started just commissioning leather bags in shapes I like that are actually handmade. It’s significantly cheaper and I am getting a long lasting elegant bag that no one else has and that’s made of great materials for a couple hundred dollars. In my opinion real luxury is custom not mass produced.
By buying directly from craft artisans, small businesses, you get the BEST quality and the most personal customer service. Your item won't have logos stamped on them, but everything else will be double the luxurious and 200 times more ethical. 1/4 the price. Of course you need to find the right person/small business to buy from but you can start with craft markets and Etsy. There are amazing tiny home brands in Europe that produce leather goods.
I was aware of leather quality and price comparisons due to experience with horse tack. Nothing in a bag is going to be worth over £1,200 retail.
My second hand Mulberry, Fossil, Coach, and Longchamp bags suit me fine. I could buy a few more for evening wear and luggage, but I am mostly well set there to be honest.
It's odd (but welcome) to see others turn around their opinions after this scandal season (not verdicts, but plenty of information). Mass produced luxury had all of these drawbacks last year, and the year before that.
More details on false advertising is available, but this stuff was somewhat known. Bernalt owned & other corporation owned publicly traded companies will have the same inévitable resolve in profit extraction versus tenable consistent quality over the generations.
Tenable profits over the generations such as: Lock & Co. , Saville Row in general, made-to-measure from any shop. I don't buy into a part of history from brands until it's 350+ years old : Ede & Ravenscroft, J. Herbin, Lock & Co. It was a nice feeling for my Academic Dress to be from the 400 years old robe maker. But I don't buy heritage in general. An ethical brand being the first in their name works for me too.
Austerity, tact, personal security, political alliances, brand association drawbacks, and ethical sourcing at all levels of production have always been a part of wearing anything nice in public. I don't assume that brands of any sector are to my standards or values because of price or prestige. I have to dig through the evidence first.
Similarly, I'm glad to see the improvement in traction and adaptation to non slave cotton in various high street brands.
I'm always looking to gain information on new stockists for slow fashion categories. Thus my interest in channels and reviews.
Middle class has NO chance to buy a bag now. After saving for a decade the price just keeps on increasing.
The economy is also so damn bad
It’s like world is on pause.
There’s so many things I’ve been eyeing on … but now I can’t even think of spending on a bag. May b a visit to an outlet just to compare price
Dior always has the sets at fashion shows abroad made by local artists and artisans and other employees, and the working conditions and pay are checked several times according to ethical standards. The cruise collections always work with regional partners. Dior also runs a training program for young women in the creative field. It's not fair to always only see the negative. There are shadows and light everywhere.
And yes, the pricing is what it is. And if that doesn't suit you, you can choose the other products. But you shouldn't advertise at the expense of others.
I honestly feel like yeah a lot of this stuff has never once been worth the money. Not even as an investment. It’s a joke. Items whose cost is dictated by people for whom the price they’re asking is pocket change. I understand that this applies to everything really, but some things are less likely to lose their value. Bags were never the level of craftsmanship I could have justified the cost of. They were limited in quantity and their quality was just not there.
Rework / customize your old scandalous designer goods. Or at least get the logos removed from them.
Now you've got a new custom piece :)
Honestly, it’s not just Dior, I feel there’s a chance all luxury could get caught in a similar scandal. I don’t want to spend my money on these luxury brands that take advantage of workers and then have more bags that I won’t carry.
The decline in the garment industry in general has lowered the bar for “luxury”. Just getting a 100% cotton sweatshirt in a high grade cotton today is luxury; the same with a high grade wool sweatshirt. That’s why these “luxury” brands can ask these prices, simply because the rest of the industry is nothing more than terrible plastic garments sewn in China. And if any natural textiles are used, they are terribly sourced, like Chinese cotton. Gone is the day where midrange brands had decent quality. Further, the problems in the Italian workshops have always been there. Nothing new. Hence, if you want decent garments, there’s no other choice than luxury brands and emerging designers, which are not yet “commercialized.” Critique is welcome, but as long as there’s no real alternative, they will keep asking these prices.
When I think about luxury now, I don’t think good quality; it think overpriced. Luxury has completely lost its special feeling for me. How special is a bag that I see all over social media and every expensive event, etc? Luxury items are still mass produced and mass marketed.
I’ve been learning more about bespoke shoes, handbags, and clothing, and have been extremely pleased with my purchases so far. That world can get quite full of itself as well (I’m dodging that!), but the quality and craftsmanship are incomparable, and the supply chain is less complicated because you communicate directly with the makers. You can choose fairly produced materials.
Custom clothing is FAR less expensive. My tailor in my town does amazing work for a fair price. I chose the fabrics and patterns, and everything is made just for me. She drafts, adapts, and combines patterns to make unique items for me.
Bespoke, MTO, and custom are allowing me to express myself and develop my style in a way mass produced luxury just can’t.
The milestone that indicates I have saved enough is retirement then I won’t need a stupid bag anymore, bc I will be done with consumerism and luxury which is a scam to begin with
Holland Cooper boast about their clothing being being British made, yet their tags say Made in China, and other parts of the world.
I love vintage handbags, they do seem to be made of finer quality materials. I’m not a huge fan of loud branding for this very reason, some of these design houses align themselves with problematic design staff or PR campaigns or unethical business practices- I will not feel any kind of way when I see people wearing Dior, im just not n purchasing anything from them until they speak out regarding corrective actions. The real issue of Diorgate is the fact that Dior is perceived as an elite luxury brand and we were just told they are no better than fast fashion when it comes to procurement of production facilities. Getting ahead on the backs of disenfranchised people is horrible. Because some of the people were allegedly having to give some of there minuscule pay to the actual country they are from. You just feel bad for all the boutique employees and others that are affected by this and none of this was their doing.
No more luxury fashion for me ! I am left with Balenciaga clothes handbag, sunglasses … all I loved wearing til that campaign !after saving and buying my dream look - I am left with worthless unwearable bunch of clothing… never again I will trust any of this so called luxury items
I think it will not make anything better if you stop wearing your Dior bags and clothes. You can use them if you want. I don't think there were many consumers that knew there are worker issues in Dior factories prior to this scandal. So, the consumers have already spent their money on the items and that's why they should enjoy wearing them, if they can. It is enough not to get more until there are something significant done to make things right for the workers... If people stop wearing their Dior items, it's as if they become somewhat victims too in this scandal. Especially those who maybe own that one luxury bag and it happens to be Dior! I don't own any luxury bags so I'm just speculating...
Great title!
Honeslty , i coupd tell these luxury items such as clothes or bags were grossly marked up. Like why would a dior aweater need to be 3-5k? Still the manufacturing and marketing of the bags still do not justify the prices. They would he justified if bags we made very limited but now they are all fast fashion. Once there is no demand for these products you will dlsee a drastic decline in prices etc. I have no desire to buy luxury except the celine 16 and i will be done.
Not everyone is obsessed with social media. I'm steal shopping morphe even with the scandals