When Do Star Wars Plot Holes Matter?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Ever wondered why plot holes affect your movie experience? Follow along as we learn from Citizen Kane and the Star Wars Saga about plot holes and what they mean to a movie viewer.
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After I saw the Last Jedi I had to go back and watch Revenge of the Sith. Revenge of the Sith has a epic coherent story filled with depth, heart, emotion, amazing battles, the best and most lightsaber battles. Plus the way Palpatine manipulated Anakin to turn to the dark side by his using Anakin's own wife is great story telling at its best. The plot makes perfect sense. The Last Jedi had none of these qualities.
Revenge of the Sith is amazingly awesome. The Last Jedi is amazingly aweful.
The Emperor didn't know that Luke and Leia were alive. Also, Anakin would never want to set foot on Tatooine again.
Dan Waldman That is the best argument for why this isn't a plot hole, but at the same time one would think that the Emperor or Anakin himself would have been able to sense their existence. Maybe it was just wishful thinking on the Emperor's part, or the simple fact the he was so elated with winning that he was just taking for granted that the baby had died with Padme. With how well thought out and planned Palpatine's galactic takeover was you'd think he wouldn't let something so important slip by unnoticed though.
Also, Obi-Wan killed Anakin/left him dying. When he decided to send Luke to Tatooine, he didn't know Vader was alive.
So Yoda and Obi-Wan don't know of Vader's survival, and Vader doesn't know of his child's(children's) survival. Padme is shown dead while pregnant.
...not a plot hole.
The main plot hole in "the force awakens" is that it's just a copy of Ep IV
leonel mora it’s not tho
There are plot holes in all eight STAR WARS films. Only the bashers like to pretend that most of them are in the Prequel Trilogy.
Because they are.
All 9 or 11 now
What people think are plot holes, especially in the prequels, aren't really plot holes.
Tareltonlives I call them Prejudice Holes.
That's kind of the point of this video. None of it really matters. We just enjoy the films. 🙂
Not to mention showing the the Federation's constant conflict with Sidious.
I still need to know how did Poe get from Jakku to the resistance base and who is Lor Santekka and why does he have the map?
He only said "Wipe them out" in reference to the Gungan army. Sidious' plan would have worked in any of the scenarios: Amidala dies? Use it as a way to get sympathy points. Amidala is captured and forced to sign the treaty? Play it for sympathy points and demand rescue. Amidala wins? Tell her you have faith in her all along.
If Sidious wanted Theed destroyed, he would have just had the Federation bomb the place or bombard it with the ships' cannons. He still could have won with Naboo destroyed, BUT he knew the Federation would cooperate with him if in the guise of an occupation and blockade. Think about the trucker blockades, or the ranchers occupying government land. The Federation wanted to make a statement to the Republic.
People who hate the PHantom Menace tend to be very ignorant of politics, and downright contemptuous of critical issues that shape society. Star Wars has always been political, but I guess they were triggered by seeing the Senate rather than it being a constant issue of conversation. For the shallow, they want to see the violent results, not the subtlety that leads to it. It's this social mindset that allows for political catastrophes, economic recession, ecological devastation, and so on.
But I digress.
About the TPM plot hole, If you look at the Trade Federation Transporters, you can see that they're landing all over the Planet and that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan just happened to get on two Transporters that flew to the other side of the Planet. This is also why the Federation got to Theed before the Jedi despite the Jedi going through the Planet and the Federation going around it.
Nice! Also, we found that quite a few cinematic plot holes get explained by EU and supplementary books. Good stuff!
Indeed. I myself have pointed that one out over at TVtropes, when a Plinkettian Ctrl+C Ctrl+V-ed practically the entire RLM "review" to TPM's YMMV page. And this holds true to practically every supposed plothole in the prequels. If you pay attention they explain it in the movie.
TFA doesn't have that. One of my biggest gripes is how the fuck did Kylo get ahead of Rey and Fin during the climax, after he took a blast in the guts, while he was standing in the middle of a catwalk as the whole building exploded around him, and the two heroes had significant headstart?
And like you said, if the characters were actually interesting, instead of being respectively a Mary Sue, a Token Black Guy and a Ripp-off from one the worst EU stroylines, I wouldn't care about this plothole. But because they aren't, it just exarbarates all my problems with them.
Also "being explained in the EU and supplemantery stuff" is actually only thing I agree on with Plinkett. Inprinciple, I've nothing against those materials, but it should not be required reading to understand the movie. If it's important, put it in the fucking film!
Good video. Another movie from another genre that perfectly illustrates this point is The Dark Knight. If you think about it, the plot of the movie is absolute bananas. It's littered with plot holes and all the Joker's plans are nonsensical and illogical. But no one noticed because everything else about the movie is PERFECT.
Some of those plot holes do have logical explanations
Hide Luke on the last planet Vader would ever be again
Hide him with family and keep his last name
In case Leia needs to find him and bail for some reason isn't around to tell her who he's with.
Where did Rey learn to use a Jedi mind trick?
I. Your complaint in TPM is that the droids don't "wipe them all out" but take prisoners instead. Sidious' command was to wipe the "primitive army assembling in the swamp". He still wanted to capture Queen Amidala, he NEEDED her to sign a treaty.
II. I'm not sure how Padme knew about the hanger, maybe she could see where they were headed, they did land shortly afterward. But that's not even the biggest plot hole in that scene. Obi-Wan and Anakin face off against Dooku, and then Yoda takes a turn, and they're all fighting all over the hanger to stop Dooku. Why didn't anyone simply slash his SHIP with a lightsaber? It's just SITTING right there, a good cut through the cockpit would have stopped Dooku from going anywhere.
III. Padme was buried (or maybe cremated I guess) with the illusion that she was still pregnant. Vader & Sidious didn't even KNOW there were any children. No reason they would be looking for Luke, or anyone else named Skywalker.
IV. The Empire was looking for the tech specs for the Death Star. If they had destroyed the escape pod, they would never even know if the plans were on it.
V. I don't find the timeline issue problematic. Part of Luke's training took place while Han & Leia were making their way from Hoth to Bespin... with no functional hyperdrive. The trip could have taken them months.
VI. The second Death Star didn't have the same design flaw. There was no "thermal exhaust port right below the main port". There were barely any WALLS! They just flew right in to the reactor. An un-finished superstructures isn't a design flaw. And Luke's rescue at Jabba's palace was planned according to what he foresaw through the Force. He put everyone in place just where he needed them to be. He wanted Leia's rescue attempt to fail, so they would all head for the Sarlaac pit where R2 could deliver the lightsaber and enable Luke to take down the Hutt's entire gang. The Ewoks, while small and cuddly, were fierce warriors who knew the terrain and environment. The stormtroopers were simply unprepared for fighting that kind of an enemy.
VII. I believe there is backstory which shows Leia trying to get the Republic to take a stand against the First Order, but they weren't buying it. The galaxy is a VERY BIG place, it seems perfectly plausible that even a major construction project could go unseen. And Maz Kanata, while "no Jedi", was still very keen on the Force, and believed that the Skywalker lightsaber "called" to Rey. It's likely then that it's location was chosen by the Force, so that Rey would find it, and Maz just let the Force guide her to put it there. There is also backstory (from the novelization) which explains Poe's return to the Resistance base. It's really not much of a story element, anyway. He got back somehow, that's all we needed to know. Kylo Ren thought that Rey was just a scavenger, who had no experience with her own Force sensitivity. He had no reason to expect her to be able to carry off a Jedi mind trick.
There are always explanations. Except for Dooku's ship, they should have gutted that thing.
More relevant now after the "controversial" Last Jedi than ever! Well done!
I actually asked myself the very same question about Toy Story recently, so I was surprised when you brought it up. Great and interesting video, by the way! Although I'd argue that it can be quite entertaining to discuss a movie's plot holes and inconsistencies, it shouldn't distract from the overall enjoyment. For instance, I can still enjoy the Harry Potter films, even though those are riddled with inconsistencies and continuity errors.
Most importantly, I think the Star Wars saga has much fewer plot holes than people often claim. I'm sure Pablo Hidalgo would agree with me. ;)
That match cut from the C shaped ship in Prometheus to the one in Episode I was perfect.
On that Plinket complaint on the invasion landing so far from the city, from what was shown, I was under the impression that it was a global invasion. Some troops landed near the city, others far away to try to subdue or minimalise a would be resistance force from anyone living on the outskirts.
For Luke's rescue on Return of the Jedi, I presumed Luke was using the Force to see the future and various possible outcomes, with each scenario allowing everyone to get out alive, or else getting everyone into the right position for Jabba to be destroyed.