David Milzow presents the battle of the Baritonesaxophones: Low Bb- Conn 12M vs. Low A- Conn 11M!
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- www.davidmilzow.de/
The renowend german Saxophonist David Milzow from Hannover presents his Low Bb- Conn 12M and Low A- Conn 11M Baritonesaxophones in a direct comparison with some surprising insights and soundexamples!
00:00 Intro "Baritone Storm"
00:15 Welcome-Moderation
04:51 Conn 12M/ Low-Bb - Baritone with "Frustration"
05:46 Conn 11M/ Low-A - Baritone with "Frustration"
06:14 further explanations
09:55 Conn 11M/ Low-A - Baritone Demonstration low, deep notes
15:16 Soundcomparision Announcement
15:52 Conn 11M/ Low-A - Baritone with "Bari Cool"
16:59 Conn 12M/ Low-Bb - Baritone with "Bari Cool"
17:34 Farewell-Moderation
17:49 Outro "Bari Cool"
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This is the only comparison I have seen of the actual same manufacturer, similar vintage and just between low A and low Bb. So thank you for that. I would prefer more low-end-focused samples, though - particularly as the horn is very likely to be used as a low harmony or bass reinforcer in an R&B, swing, or salsa band.
Thank you for your feedback! For the sound in the deep register check out 9:55min, 15:52min and 16:59min, also mentioned in the description. I think the Baritonesax got more possibilities than just playing the bottom note parts ;-)
@@Official_David_Milzow_Music Yeah, I really love the sound of the really high register on bari.
I like the sound of the low Bb Baritone Sax
Me, too!!! :-)
Thanks for a very nice discussion and comparison. As a hobby I play tenor and soprano, but I am considering to buy a baritone, so this video was very valuable for me.
Thank you for your kind feedback, it’s my pleasure!!!
The original ads for the Conn 11M use the slogan, “The Low A with guts.” And it does. My pal Doug “Mr. Low” James plays one, as well as a low Bb Super-20.
I just confirm the „guts“ ;-)
Good choice by the colleague :-)!!!
Lovely tune!
Thank you!
What do you think about The Buescher Bari Sax?
I really enjoy the Buescher as Tenor/Soprano/Alto, but never had the chance to play a Buescher Baritone!
Enjoyed your exercise! Ausgezeichnet! I happen to own both an 11M and a 12M, both dating from 1970. I do find the 12M more clear, but love that Low A grunt!
Thank you from Hannover and welcome to the club :-) !!!
Excellent
Thank you!
Wow!!! I cant believe I like the low A better!!! Amazing!!! Wow!
Not better but just different… but I guess I know what you mean.
@@Official_David_Milzow_Music No i said "I" like the low A as in my opinion. I play a low Bb Mark VI so usually always prefer low Bb~ But both are amazing😁
:-) You are right, I love my Conns, no matter Bb or A :-)
It’s great to hear a review of these later 12M horns by someone who sounds like they can really play. In the U.S. the late 12M is a bit too common to earn deep respect, and as a result the playing examples can be really atrocious. Do you know if either of these horns was the type made in Mexico?
Thank you for your feedback! Both horns are made in USA, the 12M is a Mid-60s-Horn, the 11M probably late 70s, the building-quality of the 11M was even better than the 12M! I think the later Conn-Baritones are still great horns!
Super! Danke! Gerry Mulligan had an even shorter Bariton to H ?
My pleasure! Mulligan played an older Conn with split b/b-flat, so it looks from the profile like that he would play a „low b“- baritone.
I wonder how much of the tonal difference is the bell making a longer tube internally, compared to it causing reflections, and resonance? Definitely heard what you were talking about, before you described it, but from the point of view of the microphone obviously. Was actually surprised to hear so much of a difference in the higher end. Never thought low A baris sounded "thin", just more "focused" which is kind of nice actually. I have a Bb Super 20, but would like to upgrade to a modern low A--but also don't want to sell off the King to get it lol.
Thank you for your comment!!! Keep your King Baritone!!!
Hey mate, dig that video! Subscribed. Gruß aus Bonn!
Hi Rick, thank you for the Support, it’s a pleasure! Grüße aus Hannover!
Subsribed back!!!
Hi David, enjoyed your presentation. I also play on a Link #6. What ligature do you play with this set-up.
Best Wishes!
Thank you, Richard! I play the original Otto Link-Ligature here! Best regards from Hannover/Germany!
On the first hearing, the Low A has more resonance than the low Bb. I have a somewhat illogical dislike of low A baritones, purely from an aesthetic dislike of their appearance! However, I have no particular preference for the sound of either of these horns. I have a low Bb 12M, a ca. 1984, a Buescher TT ca. 1924-'25, and a Martin Handcraft 1934-'35. I prefer the Martin, simply for its tone, which would be somewhat akin to that of Tubby Hayes in his recording of "I'll Close My Eyes." ua-cam.com/video/li8lRNtsLC0/v-deo.html
Thank you for your comment, you got a NICE selection of Baritones! I’ll check out your link!
Tubby Hayne‘s record sounds very nice, I’m quite surprised!
@@Official_David_Milzow_Music I surprised me on first hearing also. I'd only known him previously as a tenor player.
4 & 1/2s on a Link 10? Jeez.
Yep!