I love the sound of an English Electric DEMU. As a retired railway signalman of 23 years I used to ride these units down on the Southern Region especially out of Hastings and Eastbourne. They used to call them "Tadpole" units due to the different widths of the carriages. The Hastings units were built that way due to the narrow clearance in the tunnels on the 1066 Hastings route. It has been three years since I last went on The North Norfolk Railway. With all this covid business I hope to get up there very soon. Ooh that engine sound is heaven!
Oh the sweet nostalgia! I used to ride between West Runton and Sheringham every school day more than 60 years ago, this was my first ''virtual'' trip down the line since 1957. Amazingly, I could recall it so well. Just great!
A peaceful and dream like cab ride back into the past. You had a nice bright sunny day for it, making it a more enjoyable trip than that ride down to Dover!
A train journey in 1960s was a happy event. People used to gather and wait to look at the passing train. Even, in High school exams a question used to be about describing a train journey. Thanks for vedeo. -- Ar rao, India.
My Father worked on the former M&GN line in the relay gang during the 1950s,the track was in excellent condition when they closed most of the M&GN system in 1959. Money had been invested not only on the track but also signalling, a new turntable and engine shed at Melton Constable,they were building a new engine shed at South Lynn when the line closed. The Melton to Sheringham section closed in 1964.
I heard that one of the things they used to close lines was to renew everything. Even if it did not need renewing. This made the figures look bad and would get the line closed.
@@dulls8475 They fitted new signalling and automatic level crossing barriers on the Kings Lynn to Hunstanton line, closed the line one year later in 69.
Hi. What an enjoyable video. I applaud the captions asking people not to trespass on the North Norfolk Railway, but for those who may not know, line-side photographers (if they were wearing orange his-vis jackets) held permits and were obliged to sit through a safety procedure lecture.
Thanks for the cab ride totally enjoyed it. Thumpers are one of my favourite diesels, love the sound of them. The North Norfolk railway is beautiful must visit!!😎🚃🚃🚃💯🇬🇧
I used to park my caravan at Brecks Farm near Weybourne Station and walk the disused part from there to Holt. Lovely. Then the NNR managed to re-open the line to Holt. Then walk back and catch a train to Sheringham for lunch. Nice day, if the weather was fine, for a paddle on the stony beach at Sheringham. Lots of good pubs to eat in.
Yes they sound great on the inside, but my favourite experience was standing on a foot bridge over the train (at Brundall or Reedham) as it pulled away from rest, the exhaust blast nearly had my hat off!
Well done. From South Africa. What beautiful scenery. S/Africa has some spectacular rail runs but systematically our railway neteork is collapsing. Theft of everything including track is common. Railway management is pathetic with BIG corruption in all avenue. Please keep what you have and preserve it. I would love to visit but will never happen.
I grew up to the sound of ‘Tadpole’ units passing my house beside Dorking Deepdene station. I live in Belfast now so I never see lovely preserved trains like this! I think I went to the NNR in about 1984 or something.
As if time has stood still. In the 1830's and 40's, when the train began its triumphant conquering of the UK, people must have gathered like the ones we see here 15:00 to gaze in awe at the sight of the rare monster.
Never heard one of these Hastings DEMUs before. Having been born a stone's throw from the Vulcan Foundry, N-le-W, I certainly know what an English Electric diesel sound like. Instant nostalgia. Thanks for the upload - must see it after the lockdown.
Imagine if this line ran past Holt and on to Hunstanton through Wells-Next-The-Sea and then connected with the main line at King's Lynn. During the tourist season, it would be packed. Already the 'bus service - the 'Coast-hopper' - is always jammed during the summer season. Also, it would get a lot of traffic off the coast road.
David Smith: I agree with you and have often had the same thought myself, Driving from Sheringham to Blakeny, Wells Next The Sea, Hunstanton and Kings Lynne during the summer on that often narrow crowded coast road is a nightmare.
Fascinating thank you , I remember train spotting no 1001 when I was a kid back in 67, I remember she ran over her own speedo drive on one of my frequent trips to Ashford causing a delay lol , and was lucky enough to a few years later know a driver Alan Sinden who showed me around the diesel sheds in St leonards , was amazed by the piston size on the four cylinder DEMU ,they were massive , no wonder she thumps ! :o)
Great video with very helpful comments, thanks. This brings back memories of 1998 (?) when Anglia hired the lovely Hastings unit due to a DMU shortage. Lovely sounds from the EE 4SRKT power unit and its associated control gear.
Nice. I hope to see your DEMU and ride on it one day. I didn't know there was only one in preservation. I remember them from when I was young. They used to arrive/depart on platform 5 or 6 at Charing Cross. We went on holiday on one before we had a car - must have been the late 50s/early 60s. Used to love the noise they made.
Very big crowd! Did you know trains only cross that level crossing 12 times a year maximum? It takes trains from the mainline to the heritage railway. 14:48
Thanks I got yo visit here cromer and sheringham and once took the train to westbourne station, then the footpath back to sheringham along the cost, so never did the full journey to holt.
Fantastic Video showing the superb area of North Norfolk as can be seen by the crowds Sheringham people and holidaymakers are protective of both the NNR and Natiional Railways the line to Sheringham has been mooted fir closure many times but has been fiercly supported and it has paid both Railways add to Sheringhams appeal for holidays along with superb coast, walks seals at bkakeney etc. Happy memories for me as parents retired to sheringham in early 70s many happy memories They lived in Abbey Park and we used to cross railway to walk the cliffs with the dogs 😃
Great so many both at Sheringham BR Station and NNR . NNR is greatly supported by Sheringham residents as it spread the Holiday period with the Trains Bird Watching Seals ar Bkakeney and walk My parents retired thereon late 70 and had 20 plus happy years and I visited often and enjoyed this unspoilt part of UK..
Good video. I do like the North Norfolk Railway and it looks even better when seen from the driver’s perspective. Thanks for the informative captions too. Did you know the line ran from Cromer to Norwich City station (the other major terminus in the city, now long closed) via Sheringham and Melton Constable? Now it runs from Sheringham to Norwich Thorpe via Cromer.
Absolutely. 1 chain = length of a cricket pitch. 1 chain x 1 furlong = 1 acre. I can still remember these things but ask me to define a hectare... I just couldn't do it.
The exact token operation is quite complex and you'd be better off looking it up on wiki or google using Token Block Signalling as the search. The simple explanation is that to prevents two trains from running into each other, a train driver is given a 'token' by the signalman to allow him to proceed to the next section. The token itself has to be removed from a token machine by the signalman to allow him to change the signals for the train driver to proceed. The really clever part is that it does not rely on anyone remembering if a section is clear because the token machine has an indicator on it and you cannot give out a new token until the previous one is in the next machine on the line - think of it as a relay race where you cannot run without the baton in your hand
Interesting to follow that trip along with an 1888 OS map from the Scottish National Library. Not too much has changed, even some of the original mile posts can be seen!
I love the noise in the cabs on full power, the way everything rattles. The engine in the rear power car runs at higher revs than the front one because it provides electric supply for the train, doesn't it
Ah yes - at *idle*, the engine that we can hear (rear motor coach) idles at a higher speed than that at the front. This is because motor coach Tunbridge Wells is also feeding the Buffet Car's equipment.
You're right that it isn't a complex issue, but your mental model of the control system is different to that of W.J.Arnold Sykes and Hugh Smyth in the 1950s. One of the principal differences is that wheelslip is going to be more of an issue at low speeds than at high speeds. Yes, the driver's controller primarily controls diesel engine speed, though in the lowest engine speed notches 1-3 control the level of main generator field excitation. The Load Regulator operates in notch 5 and above, and its operation is unseen by the driver (though if you listen to the turbocharger note you can hear it operating, especially if the driver holds in notch 5 when pulling away from rest). Also, DC traction motors have "back EMF" which means that as they revolve faster, their ability to pass current decreases, so we have traction motor field weakening. I would point you in the direction of THIS handout: www.dropbox.com/s/ihormo3m292ulwf/DEMUs-Drivers-Handout.pdf?dl=0
@pmailkeey Wheelslip is most likely at low speeds because a DC motor's highest torque is at low speeds; its torque at no-load speed is nil. See lancet.mit.edu/motors/motors3.html The characteristics of the diesel-electric power unit are best served by treating it as a device with specific power settings, and these are what the notches achieve: engine-speed and full load. The load regulator is just there to ensure full load, and later to bring in the traction motor field weakening. And yes, as you'll have seen the engine-speed governor includes an overspeed device. You're right about the handout having a mistake in the starting battery diagram! CO2 isn't itself poisonous, but in sufficient concentrations it reduces the amount of oxygen available to support life. The third rail (and fourth rail on the London Underground) are still routinely "kept turned off" by means of short-circuiting devices, which can also be used to turn the current off by overload in emergency. Yes, modern DEMUs wouldn't have DC motors, they'd have 3-phase AC motors... like the Virgin Voyager DEMUs do. But that technology requires solid-state control gear which hadn't been invented in 1956.
DMUs have notches on the power controller (apart possibly from 1st-generation ones with manual gearboxes). The solid-state power electronics necessary to run 3-phase AC traction motors on UK main-line railway vehicles wasn't approaching maturity until around 1990. Besides, the whole ethos of the DEMU design was to produce, as cheaply as possible, a "stop-gap" train with a design life of 10 years that would have as many components as possible (including the traction motors) the same as their SR EMU counterparts.
It's a design feature arising from the electrical train heating. If the engines are running faster than idle because the heating is on, they have first to return to idle rate before the Line Contactors can close. In our case the Tunbridge Wells power unit feeds the Buffet Car equipment and so runs in this mode even when train heating is off.
Oh my goodness, I know this area, and have always wondered what it would have been like to cross the two sections, now I get to see it up close, lol. It's a shame that the line all the way to Holt and beyond isn't apart of the national network anymore. Like my granddad said, Beeching was a criminal and to him, that name was a swear word, as he use to work on the tracks around that area years ago. I don't live their, but I do visit once every few years. People of Holt, rise up and demand reconnection to the national rail network, lol 🤣
The part about trespassing is valid however the North Norfolk Railway do a ticket you can buy called a lineside pass , It Grants the user full access to be lineside for the duration of the day aslong as they wear a hi vis vest , Last time i volunteered there there was no training involved in the Lineside pass you just get told to use common sense , as for me i have walked the full line a few times now knocking keys back in that have fallen out (while volunteering there plus at the time i was mainline PTS certified aswell), i even remember dead mans cutting and always hearing someone walking behind me when ever i walked that stretch (dead mans cutting is at 24:35 ) If i remember the story correct a trackworker was walking in the 4 foot when his lantern went out , at the same time a train came round the corner and hit him.
I'm used to train tracks in the US which aren't for the most part fenced and often run parallel to a road for long stretches. Its generally assumed that if can walk down a street without being run over then you should be able to walk beside train tracks without a problem. (There's also a suburban rail line at Helsingor, Denmark, that runs around the front from the main train station, it literally runs between the road and the sidewalk ("pavement"), the trains (two car multiple units) run slowly along that section because they're so close to you you can touch them.) So, let's not be paranoid about trains; you obviously don't want to cross tracks or walk beside high speed lines but for the most part they're safe to be near, just don't get too close. Interesting video, BTW -- well made and its a nice run through a bit of the country I've never seen before.
@@martinusher1 Yeh over here our heritage lines (the one in the video after the crossing ) is limited to 25mph , on our urban lines the max is normally 70mph and on our high speed routes 125mph (not including high speed 1 ) however we do have a 0 policy on walking trackside , even unfenced trackside is still classed as tresspass and can come with £1000 fine if your caught.
@@blackrider21 I think I should just add that this doesn't mean we don't have level foot crossing points in areas far from a bridge or level crossing where the emphasis is very much on the pedestrian to look and listen before crossing.
A couple of things sur[rised me on the video.One is that the tracks coming out of Cromer are single track and only connected by one crossover.I dont know how many trains run between Cromer and Sheringham ,but im sure it cant be many.Makes you wonder if a day will come when Network Rail close that little branch.It would be a heck of a lot quicker to get a taxi from Cromer to Sheringham.BUT those extra miles added to the NNR would be really beneficial to them,provided if Network rail ever disposed of it,didnt start ripping stuff up whilst in the process of sale.The other thing that surprised me is the amount of manpower needed to close the road.If at any point the Cromer section becomes available,i guess the crossing at Sheringham would need properly reinstating with gates (well hopefully gates not barriers).
There seems to be one an hour to Sheringham. I think all the palaver with the crossing is only when there's occasional through workings, I think, if they haven't already, they'll install gates or barriers when they run more frequently.
Yes, there are 17 trains from Cromer to Sheringham on a weekday. But none of them would go to the old Sheringham station beyond the manpower-hungry level crossing - they'd terminate at the new short platform on the approach side of it.
One of the issues for the NNR when they go to Cromer is lack of a run round for a single loco, at present any trains going to Cromer from NNR go top and tailed
The Line from Sheringham to Holt is actually a heritage line and the cost of operating it come from subscriptions and ticket revenue, Almost everyonel who works on it are volunteers.
There is a bit more of the M&GNJR at Whitwell & Reepham station. The Railway was built late and served many places that were already served by the Great Eastern Railway. Much of it was single track and even in the 1950s, its expresses were only doing 40mph. BR thought it could save £500,000 by closing it.
Yes, as per the Sectional Appendix (see link in video info), "Trowse Swing Bridge signal box controls Whitlingham Jn. and the line to Cromer / Sheringham."; this may since have changed for all I know, but it was true at the time of our visit.
Yes, Trowse Bridge SB controls Whitlingham Junction then all the way to Cromer and Sheringham, on the Bittern Line, as Colchester resumes control after Whitlingham Junction heading towards Brundall etc.
I love the sound of an English Electric DEMU. As a retired railway signalman of 23 years I used to ride these units down on the Southern Region especially out of Hastings and Eastbourne. They used to call them "Tadpole" units due to the different widths of the carriages. The Hastings units were built that way due to the narrow clearance in the tunnels on the 1066 Hastings route. It has been three years since I last went on The North Norfolk Railway. With all this covid business I hope to get up there very soon. Ooh that engine sound is heaven!
Obviously a much publicised ride judging by the thousands of photographers on the route! Popular train. Lovely vid.
I moved to Norfolk a few years back and on my first trip to the northern part of the county I was astounded by how beautiful it was .
Seeing this has made me realise how badly I've missed my summer trips top Cromer & Sheringham. It almost hurts!
Oh the sweet nostalgia! I used to ride between West Runton and Sheringham every school day more than 60 years ago, this was my first ''virtual'' trip down the line since 1957. Amazingly, I could recall it so well. Just great!
Heehee, glad we could bring this to you!
A super film - I really felt as though I was in the cab. The onscreen info was really helpful and added much interest to the journey. Very well done.
From a bloody YANK, thank you very much for this great video. The captions were very informative. Great job!
A peaceful and dream like cab ride back into the past. You had a nice bright sunny day for it, making it a more enjoyable trip than that ride down to Dover!
A train journey in 1960s was a happy event.
People used to gather and wait to look at the passing train.
Even, in High school exams a question used to be about describing a train journey.
Thanks for vedeo.
-- Ar rao, India.
Hello from Norway! 🇳🇴 Great footage. Very proffesional. Really enjoyed this .
Thank you!
Thanks really great, I'm sitting out the lockdown in Wiltshire, missing my railway trips to Bath and Westbury, so this is most appreciated. Cheers.
Thank you, glad you're finding this work beneficial! ^RG
The public interest in your train is remarkable! Wish we had the same in the US.
We are train mad in this country. Which is ironic since we destroyed much of our network.
These are absolutely great movies of diesel trains by Hastings they do a great job with them. Many thanks from Canada.....
And my own sincerest thanks from Toronto to Richard Griffin who made this video. What a beautiful day for all concerned. Bring out the poutine!
Fine video and information . Nicely done 👍🇬🇧
My Father worked on the former M&GN line in the relay gang during the 1950s,the track was in excellent condition when they closed most of the M&GN system in 1959. Money had been invested not only on the track but also signalling, a new turntable and engine shed at Melton Constable,they were building a new engine shed at South Lynn when the line closed. The Melton to Sheringham section closed in 1964.
I heard that one of the things they used to close lines was to renew everything. Even if it did not need renewing. This made the figures look bad and would get the line closed.
@@dulls8475 They fitted new signalling and automatic level crossing barriers on the Kings Lynn to Hunstanton line, closed the line one year later in 69.
@@danman4633 Apparently on the Brockenhurst to Ringwood and beyond line (S&D) they relaid the track the year before to fudge the figures.
@@dulls8475 Sad times.
fantastic cabride, nature scenary along the way, very nice, thanks for sharing, greetings friend
I missed this in real life and I was gutted so thanks for posting it.
Hi. What an enjoyable video. I applaud the captions asking people not to trespass on the North Norfolk Railway, but for those who may not know, line-side photographers (if they were wearing orange his-vis jackets) held permits and were obliged to sit through a safety procedure lecture.
Good the NNR have a permit system backed by safety training.
Another superb film of Hastings Diesels as ambassador highlighting the possible cooperation between public and private. Very grateful!
I travelled this line from Norwich to Holt in 1961 in the good old days.
Fascinating stuff 👍 I do like the way the heritage line is connected to the active rail network.
I'm fairly sure that almost all of them are (definitely Nene Valley Railway) - just this one is highly obvious.
Superb video and such a lovely part of the UK. Many happy memories made in Norfolk. 14:31 happened to us all at some point 😂
It did make I laugh!
Thanks for the cab ride totally enjoyed it. Thumpers are one of my favourite diesels, love the sound of them. The North Norfolk railway is beautiful must visit!!😎🚃🚃🚃💯🇬🇧
Lovely video, we often pop up to Sheringham and Holt for an afternoon drive. The NNR is a real jewel in North Norfolk.
Marvellous. The line has great lengths of embankment: those navvies building the railway were worked hard.
Awesome video, lived in Narfolk all my life and never been on the NNR to Holt. But now after watching this, all i can say is roll on summer 2019
I used to park my caravan at Brecks Farm near Weybourne Station and walk the disused part from there to Holt. Lovely. Then the NNR managed to re-open the line to Holt. Then walk back and catch a train to Sheringham for lunch. Nice day, if the weather was fine, for a paddle on the stony beach at Sheringham. Lots of good pubs to eat in.
A fantastic video. I never realised how amazing these DEMUs sounded from inside.
Yes they sound great on the inside, but my favourite experience was standing on a foot bridge over the train (at Brundall or Reedham) as it pulled away from rest, the exhaust blast nearly had my hat off!
Always like watching your video's, well edited and with informative captions, thank you!
I’ve travelled this line many times, but I’ve never seen the line from this vantage point. Excellent.
A nice ride on the train! Greetings from Germany Lübeck (Schleswig-Holstein)
Well done. From South Africa. What beautiful scenery. S/Africa has some spectacular rail runs but systematically our railway neteork is collapsing. Theft of everything including track is common. Railway management is pathetic with BIG corruption in all avenue. Please keep what you have and preserve it. I would love to visit but will never happen.
A really fantastic video in such a lovely part of the world. North Norfolk really is a hidden gem!
I really appreciated the informative captions throughout the video. They were at just the right amount. Thanks!
I grew up to the sound of ‘Tadpole’ units passing my house beside Dorking Deepdene station. I live in Belfast now so I never see lovely preserved trains like this! I think I went to the NNR in about 1984 or something.
As if time has stood still.
In the 1830's and 40's, when the train began its triumphant conquering of the UK, people must have gathered like the ones we see here 15:00 to gaze in awe at the sight of the rare monster.
I got to ride this train the day it did this trip... Only I joined / left at Norwich. Only wanted to traverse the crossing at Sheringham.
Never heard one of these Hastings DEMUs before. Having been born a stone's throw from the Vulcan Foundry, N-le-W, I certainly know what an English Electric diesel sound like. Instant nostalgia. Thanks for the upload - must see it after the lockdown.
I love walking round Sheringham park by the sea with my border collie watching the trains go by bliss
Imagine if this line ran past Holt and on to Hunstanton through Wells-Next-The-Sea and then connected with the main line at King's Lynn. During the tourist season, it would be packed. Already the 'bus service - the 'Coast-hopper' - is always jammed during the summer season. Also, it would get a lot of traffic off the coast road.
David Smith: I agree with you and have often had the same thought myself, Driving from Sheringham to Blakeny, Wells Next The Sea, Hunstanton and Kings Lynne during the summer on that often narrow crowded coast road is a nightmare.
Excellent coverage. Lovely location.
Thanks for the video and commantary in the corner.
Fascinating thank you , I remember train spotting no 1001 when I was a kid back in 67, I remember she ran over her own speedo drive on one of my frequent trips to Ashford causing a delay lol , and was lucky enough to a few years later know a driver Alan Sinden who showed me around the diesel sheds in St leonards , was amazed by the piston size on the four cylinder DEMU ,they were massive , no wonder she thumps ! :o)
Great video with very helpful comments, thanks. This brings back memories of 1998 (?) when Anglia hired the lovely Hastings unit due to a DMU shortage. Lovely sounds from the EE 4SRKT power unit and its associated control gear.
Very good thanks, love these old lines. Best wishes
A very relaxing video, the North Norfolk Railway is a nice line.
Nice. I hope to see your DEMU and ride on it one day. I didn't know there was only one in preservation. I remember them from when I was young. They used to arrive/depart on platform 5 or 6 at Charing Cross. We went on holiday on one before we had a car - must have been the late 50s/early 60s. Used to love the noise they made.
Absolutely fantastic video. The information is superb. Many thanks.
Thank you that brought back some very good memories thanks again.
Beautiful landscape. Simple nature.
1:02 “we depart Cromer 7 minutes late”.........
Keeping to BR standards then to keep it authentic 🤔😂😂
Great video
Beautiful journey thank you richard regards bob.
As usual, a seriously well-produced video. A real pleasure to watch. Thank you.
Very big crowd! Did you know trains only cross that level crossing 12 times a year maximum? It takes trains from the mainline to the heritage railway. 14:48
Brilliant!
A remote part of England but clearly popular with visitors!!
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Thanks I got yo visit here cromer and sheringham and once took the train to westbourne station, then the footpath back to sheringham along the cost, so never did the full journey to holt.
Fantastic Video showing the superb area of North Norfolk as can be seen by the crowds Sheringham people and holidaymakers are protective of both the NNR and Natiional Railways the line to Sheringham has been mooted fir closure many times but has been fiercly supported and it has paid both Railways add to Sheringhams appeal for holidays along with superb coast, walks seals at bkakeney etc.
Happy memories for me as parents retired to sheringham in early 70s many happy memories
They lived in Abbey Park and we used to cross railway to walk the cliffs with the dogs 😃
This is a really good video Glad the weather was nice.
Thank you!
Brilliant video, well done.
Lovely trip. Thank you for that
Beautiful, thank-you!
Nice Video, also the screen narration was gooed also. THANKS
There I am at the end of Cromer platform! :-D
Oh for the day this line opens again through Melton Constable to Fakenham and then to Dereham !! what a money spinner that would be !!
Norfolk Orbital Railway.
A great video - Thank you!
I always feel uneasy about running “wrong road” on a two track line. Thank goodness it branched off! 😂
Great so many both at Sheringham BR Station and NNR .
NNR is greatly supported by Sheringham residents as it spread the Holiday period with the Trains Bird Watching Seals ar Bkakeney and walk
My parents retired thereon late 70 and had 20 plus happy years and I visited often and enjoyed this unspoilt part of UK..
Good video. I do like the North Norfolk Railway and it looks even better when seen from the driver’s perspective. Thanks for the informative captions too. Did you know the line ran from Cromer to Norwich City station (the other major terminus in the city, now long closed) via Sheringham and Melton Constable? Now it runs from Sheringham to Norwich Thorpe via Cromer.
Very enjoyable thank you !
Thank you Pauline!
Fascinating. I know this track very well.
Love Norfolk x
I enjoyed that love that line been there so meny times
Miles and chains, love it! None of this new-fangled metric nonsense!
Absolutely. 1 chain = length of a cricket pitch. 1 chain x 1 furlong = 1 acre. I can still remember these things but ask me to define a hectare... I just couldn't do it.
@@suntexi And 10 chains = 1 furlong, 8 furlongs = 1 mile, 640 acres to the square mile: this was bashed into us as primary school children!
100 links = 1chain, Somerset CCC used to use one to mark out a cricket wicket back in the day.
Actually Nick it would have been much easier for me to assess the distance had he said 3 miles and 1 kilometre :)
@@suntexi 22 chains to the mile?
I seem to remember the level crossing at Sheringham being twin track in the early sixties,
Brilliant thank you
What an amazing way to see the English countryside. Thank-you for these videos. Could you explain the use of these token rings? Thanks
The exact token operation is quite complex and you'd be better off looking it up on wiki or google using Token Block Signalling as the search.
The simple explanation is that to prevents two trains from running into each other, a train driver is given a 'token' by the signalman to allow him to proceed to the next section. The token itself has to be removed from a token machine by the signalman to allow him to change the signals for the train driver to proceed. The really clever part is that it does not rely on anyone remembering if a section is clear because the token machine has an indicator on it and you cannot give out a new token until the previous one is in the next machine on the line - think of it as a relay race where you cannot run without the baton in your hand
i drove the hastings diesels between eastbourne/ashford and selhurst depot. the best unit southern railway had on loan
Very pleasant and restful to watch, but I would liked to have seen what we were travelling in.
Thank you. There are hundreds of photos of the Hastings DEMU at our website www.hastingsdiesels.co.uk
Interesting to follow that trip along with an 1888 OS map from the Scottish National Library. Not too much has changed, even some of the original mile posts can be seen!
The same mapping is used in the preparation of these videos. :)
I love the noise in the cabs on full power, the way everything rattles. The engine in the rear power car runs at higher revs than the front one because it provides electric supply for the train, doesn't it
Ah yes - at *idle*, the engine that we can hear (rear motor coach) idles at a higher speed than that at the front. This is because motor coach Tunbridge Wells is also feeding the Buffet Car's equipment.
At 26:31 we are on full power - it says so. That's notch 7, engine speed 850rpm, load controlled by the automatic load regulator.
You're right that it isn't a complex issue, but your mental model of the control system is different to that of W.J.Arnold Sykes and Hugh Smyth in the 1950s. One of the principal differences is that wheelslip is going to be more of an issue at low speeds than at high speeds. Yes, the driver's controller primarily controls diesel engine speed, though in the lowest engine speed notches 1-3 control the level of main generator field excitation. The Load Regulator operates in notch 5 and above, and its operation is unseen by the driver (though if you listen to the turbocharger note you can hear it operating, especially if the driver holds in notch 5 when pulling away from rest). Also, DC traction motors have "back EMF" which means that as they revolve faster, their ability to pass current decreases, so we have traction motor field weakening. I would point you in the direction of THIS handout: www.dropbox.com/s/ihormo3m292ulwf/DEMUs-Drivers-Handout.pdf?dl=0
@pmailkeey Wheelslip is most likely at low speeds because a DC motor's highest torque is at low speeds; its torque at no-load speed is nil. See lancet.mit.edu/motors/motors3.html
The characteristics of the diesel-electric power unit are best served by treating it as a device with specific power settings, and these are what the notches achieve: engine-speed and full load. The load regulator is just there to ensure full load, and later to bring in the traction motor field weakening. And yes, as you'll have seen the engine-speed governor includes an overspeed device.
You're right about the handout having a mistake in the starting battery diagram!
CO2 isn't itself poisonous, but in sufficient concentrations it reduces the amount of oxygen available to support life.
The third rail (and fourth rail on the London Underground) are still routinely "kept turned off" by means of short-circuiting devices, which can also be used to turn the current off by overload in emergency.
Yes, modern DEMUs wouldn't have DC motors, they'd have 3-phase AC motors... like the Virgin Voyager DEMUs do. But that technology requires solid-state control gear which hadn't been invented in 1956.
DMUs have notches on the power controller (apart possibly from 1st-generation ones with manual gearboxes).
The solid-state power electronics necessary to run 3-phase AC traction motors on UK main-line railway vehicles wasn't approaching maturity until around 1990. Besides, the whole ethos of the DEMU design was to produce, as cheaply as possible, a "stop-gap" train with a design life of 10 years that would have as many components as possible (including the traction motors) the same as their SR EMU counterparts.
Always intrigued by the way that thumper's engines run down as they are put under load. I used to think the driver had stalled it!!
It's a design feature arising from the electrical train heating. If the engines are running faster than idle because the heating is on, they have first to return to idle rate before the Line Contactors can close. In our case the Tunbridge Wells power unit feeds the Buffet Car equipment and so runs in this mode even when train heating is off.
Oh my goodness, I know this area, and have always wondered what it would have been like to cross the two sections, now I get to see it up close, lol. It's a shame that the line all the way to Holt and beyond isn't apart of the national network anymore. Like my granddad said, Beeching was a criminal and to him, that name was a swear word, as he use to work on the tracks around that area years ago. I don't live their, but I do visit once every few years. People of Holt, rise up and demand reconnection to the national rail network, lol 🤣
Ernest Marples is the biggest profanity. He was a True Politician dedicated to personal self enrichment at the Nation's expense
Fantastic line👍
Went on that about 25 years ago, drunk. Pretty area.
Love the spad indicators! At the start
17:47 my opinion of the most beautiful one on the railway!
The part about trespassing is valid however the North Norfolk Railway do a ticket you can buy called a lineside pass , It Grants the user full access to be lineside for the duration of the day aslong as they wear a hi vis vest , Last time i volunteered there there was no training involved in the Lineside pass you just get told to use common sense , as for me i have walked the full line a few times now knocking keys back in that have fallen out (while volunteering there plus at the time i was mainline PTS certified aswell), i even remember dead mans cutting and always hearing someone walking behind me when ever i walked that stretch (dead mans cutting is at 24:35 ) If i remember the story correct a trackworker was walking in the 4 foot when his lantern went out , at the same time a train came round the corner and hit him.
I'm used to train tracks in the US which aren't for the most part fenced and often run parallel to a road for long stretches. Its generally assumed that if can walk down a street without being run over then you should be able to walk beside train tracks without a problem. (There's also a suburban rail line at Helsingor, Denmark, that runs around the front from the main train station, it literally runs between the road and the sidewalk ("pavement"), the trains (two car multiple units) run slowly along that section because they're so close to you you can touch them.) So, let's not be paranoid about trains; you obviously don't want to cross tracks or walk beside high speed lines but for the most part they're safe to be near, just don't get too close.
Interesting video, BTW -- well made and its a nice run through a bit of the country I've never seen before.
@@martinusher1 Yeh over here our heritage lines (the one in the video after the crossing ) is limited to 25mph , on our urban lines the max is normally 70mph and on our high speed routes 125mph (not including high speed 1 ) however we do have a 0 policy on walking trackside , even unfenced trackside is still classed as tresspass and can come with £1000 fine if your caught.
@@blackrider21 I think I should just add that this doesn't mean we don't have level foot crossing points in areas far from a bridge or level crossing where the emphasis is very much on the pedestrian to look and listen before crossing.
@@martinusher1 We still do have deaths on our railways, but the vast majority are sadly suicides. What about the USA?
Great video
Fancy making that old man jump !
A couple of things sur[rised me on the video.One is that the tracks coming out of Cromer are single track and only connected by one crossover.I dont know how many trains run between Cromer and Sheringham ,but im sure it cant be many.Makes you wonder if a day will come when Network Rail close that little branch.It would be a heck of a lot quicker to get a taxi from Cromer to Sheringham.BUT those extra miles added to the NNR would be really beneficial to them,provided if Network rail ever disposed of it,didnt start ripping stuff up whilst in the process of sale.The other thing that surprised me is the amount of manpower needed to close the road.If at any point the Cromer section becomes available,i guess the crossing at Sheringham would need properly reinstating with gates (well hopefully gates not barriers).
There seems to be one an hour to Sheringham. I think all the palaver with the crossing is only when there's occasional through workings, I think, if they haven't already, they'll install gates or barriers when they run more frequently.
Yes, there are 17 trains from Cromer to Sheringham on a weekday. But none of them would go to the old Sheringham station beyond the manpower-hungry level crossing - they'd terminate at the new short platform on the approach side of it.
One of the issues for the NNR when they go to Cromer is lack of a run round for a single loco, at present any trains going to Cromer from NNR go top and tailed
The joys of continuous Welded Rail
That guy at 14:32 got quite a fright
What a novelty...cab riding a “Hastings” ...enjoyable run (albeit on my screen!)
The Line from Sheringham to Holt is actually a heritage line and the cost of operating it come from subscriptions and ticket revenue, Almost everyonel who works on it are volunteers.
The NNR is one of the finest examples of a preserved railway you will find anywhere in the country
Great video, but such a crime that this short film shows all that is left of an entire railway network!
There is a bit more of the M&GNJR at Whitwell & Reepham station. The Railway was built late and served many places that were already served by the Great Eastern Railway. Much of it was single track and even in the 1950s, its expresses were only doing 40mph. BR thought it could save £500,000 by closing it.
nice some lovely views,but had to laugh at 14.31 when driver pipped his horn
everybody jumped
I love it up at kelling heath I always go there on holiday about 3 to 4 times a year
Oh look it's me by the signal at 28:45!
Which one of the three?
Love the hand painted Whistle signs....glad we have whistle and W signs not Horn sign...tradition is good
Cromer Beach is signalled from Trowse Swing Bridge 'box?
About 25 miles away in the other direction!
You won't get a very good view of the tail lamp!
Yes, as per the Sectional Appendix (see link in video info), "Trowse Swing Bridge signal box controls Whitlingham Jn. and the line to Cromer / Sheringham."; this may since have changed for all I know, but it was true at the time of our visit.
Yes, Trowse Bridge SB controls Whitlingham Junction then all the way to Cromer and Sheringham, on the Bittern Line, as Colchester resumes control after Whitlingham Junction heading towards Brundall etc.
Great cab ride, should be going to Sheringham at the end of the month but it is now cancelled due to coronavirus.
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