Why I Support TEAM GREEN (Valid Reasons)
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- In this video I explain why team green is the right house to support. I believe everybody should be supporting team green and I give very good as to reasons why.
Nuance matters!
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"if we turn villan into feminist hero we will improve story!"
What Viserys wanted is of no consequence to the realm. People say he chose rhaenyra but apart from her personally being unfit to rule. It is as Otto says in one episode. "He bares the kings sword, the kings name, the kings crown. He bares every symbol of legitimacy". Aegon is unfit to rule also but has good people around him. Rhaenyra actually wants to put illegitimate children on the throne
Good people he rejects. He does what he wants... and all what he wants is stupid and is not willing to learn.
I support the Greens because Stannis recognises Aegon as the king, one true king recognises another.
Even though Rhaenyra and Daemon are his ancestors, he evaluates them and their actions in the way he thinks is right
Rhaenyra is no saint, also Daemon but so does the Blacks. The only reason why I DON'T support the Greens is because Alicent knew that she made a mistake in putting her son in the throne. Alicent knew that Viserys died upholding Rhaenyra's claim but she did nothing about it. She didn't correct the mistakes; instead, she let people die- that is her hypocrisy. Remember when she cut Rhaenyra in S1? "Forever upholding the kingdom, the family, the law..." If she is truly the righteous Queen that she claims to be, she will correct her mistakes to prevent the war. But what is she doing instead? Oh, hiding Cole underneath her cloak of righteousness.
She didn't just do it for nothing though, she thought viserys was telling her this when he was rambling before he died
Lmao how do you not get it? By the time alicent actually realised the mistake she made, it was far too gone. Do you really think Aegon or aemond, let alone DAEMON would've stopped because of poor alicents realisation of mistake? And her sleeping with cole is way better, she isn't a hypocrite at all because her husband the king was dead. She was absolutely loyal to the husband who never loved or cared for her and her sons. So she definitely deserves to do what she wants now that he died. Rhanyra just followed daemons words "marriage is just a political contract" and f-ed around
@@megha9789nah she is not allowed to do anything outside of marriage According to their traditions
yes lord commander, this is the man that wants to wear the black
The greens are defuses. Literally. 😅
Rhaenyra was a child. She got with criston after being groomed by her uncle, and then rejected by him after she began to idolize him. but she did not use criston any more than he r*ped her, he obviously had more experience being in his mid-20s while rhaenyra was 15. while yes she may have lied about daemon, that doesn't warrant alicent's years of hatred. alicent began resenting rhaenyra when she realized that rhaenyra could have sexual relations(or other things) with whomever she wanted and get away with it because her being royalty could make her immune to the consequences, and alicent never had the freedom to do so even though she had been good all her life and deserved that freedom. rhaenyra did lie about daemon but how does that make her a terrible person? she was not betrothed at the time; it would not have been illegal or any more immoral than the targaryen's incestuous family usually is.
the greens were formed because otto was selfish and wanted his bloodline on the throne, not because of rhaenyra lying. otto had manipulated alicent for her whole life, and he decided to use her to put his grandchildren on the throne. both alicent AND rhaenyra were victims of otto. saying "rhaenyra started the war" is also an ambiguous statement. the beginning of the war was a chain of events, not a single one-sided action or decision.
Lucerys was like 6 years old, he only used a knife because aemond picked up a rock after TAUNTING the velaryons about him stealing their mother's dragon the day after she died.
Is someone was graped it was Cole not Rhaenyra. She holds all the power there and even makes him break his oath which he feels guilty about and ask Rhaenyra to leave with him. He later even want to kill himself from guilt he feels. So no Rhaenyra is not inocent the Cole is.
And about Otto, the marriages in westeros are all political so in that sytuation what Otto does is securing the best deal in all of 7 kingdoms for his daughter.
@@Al-xq4ec that is quite literlaly the stupidest thing i've ever heard. No. Cole participated. Rhaenyra, a child, did not r*pe cole. he could have stopped himself but he took off his clothes himself. Rhaenyra did not **make** him do anything. maybe he feels guilty but he loves Rhaenyra, and that's why he wants to run away with her, not because he is guilty over it. Cole's entire character is petty. He is mad Rhaenyra did not want to elope with him and spends the rest of his life trying to fuck her over. Hoes mad. He tries to kill himself because he realizes that now Rhaenyra doesn't want to elope with him, he has confessed to his affair with the heir, and killed an innocent man. He has messed up his life. Not Rhaenyra.
Otto was selfish. as hand of the king, he knew there would be other marriage candidates that would be more politically suitable than Alicent was to Viserys. she brought him nothing while another marriage could have strengthened alliances etc. Otto does not care about Alicent's wellbeing, and absolutely DID NOT send her to Viserys' chambers because he wanted her to be happy/happy in power.
@@Al-xq4ec That is quite literally the stupidest thing ive ever heard. No. Rhaenyra was a child. Criston chose to take off his clothes. he had a choice. He loved Rhaenyra, which is why he asked to elope with her. Criston is petty, and after he realized Rhaenyra wasn't going to elope with him, after he confessed to the affair the crown princess and heir, and after killing an innocent man, he tried to commit s*icide because he ruined his own life. Rhaenyra did not ruin his life; he did not HAVE to do any of those things and she did not MAKE him do any of those things. He spends the rest of his life plotting against Rhaenyra because he is mad that he can't get his d*ck wet again. Hoes mad.
Otto does not care about Alicent's wellbeing and that is made abundantly clear throughout season one especially. He did not send Alicent to Viserys' chambers because he cared about her or because he wanted her to be happy. As hand of the king, he knew especially well that there were better marriage alliances for his daughter AND for the king. Alicent quite literally brought Viserys nothing. There were most certainly better marriage candidates that had more benefit than Alicent + Viserys. All it did was put Otto's blood in line for the throne.
@@Al-xq4ec That is quite literally the stupidest thing ive ever heard. No. Rhaenyra was a child. Criston chose to take off his clothes. he had a choice. He loved Rhaenyra, which is why he asked to elope with her. Criston is petty, and after he realized Rhaenyra wasn't going to elope with him, after he confessed to the affair the crown princess and heir, and after k*lling an innocent man, he tried to commit s*icde because he ruined his own life. Rhaenyra did not ruin his life; he did not HAVE to do any of those things and she did not MAKE him do any of those things. He spends the rest of his life plotting against Rhaenyra because he is mad that he can't get in her bed again. H*es mad.
Otto does not care about Alicent's wellbeing and that is made abundantly clear throughout season one especially. He did not send Alicent to Viserys' chambers because he cared about her or because he wanted her to be happy. As hand of the king, he knew especially well that there were better marriage alliances for his daughter AND for the king. Alicent quite literally brought Viserys nothing. There were most certainly better marriage candidates that had more benefit than Alicent + Viserys. All it did was put Otto's blood in line for the throne.
@@phantom3545you sound like an adolescent teen or a wannabe feminist. Cole was the victim. Rhanyra took advantage of him because she saw that she could do whatever she wants. He was a virgin and he swore celibacy. He didn't spend plotting against her because he couldn't take her to bed(such a stupid take) it was because she made him break his oath. When he asks her to marry him, it's not out of love you dumb dumb. It's to protect what's left of his honour.
Overall team black kinda sucks but Deamon and his murderous spaghetti are perfect so fuck it I'm team black
Team black supporters in a sentence 😂
Quite opposite - Team Black would be better off without Daemon. 🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂ I support Rhaenyra and Jacaerys, but I cannot stand Daemon.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Not really. If Daemon wasn't there blacks would be dead already. Without him they would have no army and one dragon less. And um... I don't want to spoil but her new dragons won't help much
@@TheHellyeahmen I am aware what happens in book. But Daemon is currently not on Dragonstone and Aemond still didn't dare to attack on Dragonstone - he was wary even when Rhaenyra had only Syrax, Vermax and Moondancer.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Daemon being in Harrenhal is still a threat. Much more so in fact than on dragonstone. When all your enemies are in one place they are much easier to beat.
Otto is the main reason behind it, Alicent and Cole had no true involvement in the crowning of Aegon, it would have happened without them. It was Otto that has always sought to put Aegon on the throne, he is the reason behind the war.
Otto the GOAT
The Great council of 101 ac set the precedent to be followed forever after. Who is Viserys to overrule Jaehaerys and his great council on a whim? Amd if Rhae wanted the throne don't have bastard children.
How did he overrule it? Also rhaenyras claim to the throne has nothing to do with her bastard children. You can make arguments that jace isn’t heir after her but not her.
You basically are just saying “the great council said no women on the throne so that means it should stay that way forever” little sexist if you agree with that honestly
@@Xtermenator217 "u just a bigot!"
is not an argument
@@InitialPC can you only read what suits you? Did you not see my first paragraph where I asked a question and making an argument against what he said?
@@zippy4green while that could be argued, the greens themselves already tore up the great council by the actions of Otto Hightower way back when he pushed Viserys to renounce Daemon as his heir (Daemon being the rightful heir via great council law at the time regardless of offensive statements about Viserys dead bub), meaning by the time Viserys has Aegon with Alicent, the precedent is already long thrown away (with Otto having been fully onboard with said throwing away). As such if the greens wish to use the great council as law, then not only are they massive hypocrites, but methinks Otto had best apologise to Daemon
Precedent, as you mention, is a GUIDING principle, it is not an unbreakable law. The Great Council of 101 AC set a precedent, not a mandate or statute. Do not forget that Viserys, as King, held the same sovereign authority as Jaehaerys before him. He was fully within his rights to alter the line of succession as he saw fit. The power to make and amend laws lies with the King.
And as for Rhaenyra, the legitimacy of her children is a separate issue entirely. The throne’s claim is a matter of royal blood and the decree of the reigning monarch. Viserys had the right to name his heir, and he chose Rhaenyra, which was his prerogative. To question his authority on the basis of 'precedent' is to misunderstand the nature of royal power and feudalism.
I dunno man.. seems like it just boiled down to "they started it"
You sympathize with the greens because of why they are the way they are but not the blacks for WHY they started it.. i did enjoy the video though. Its nice to hear your take
Rhanyera obviously started the whole thing. Naming the bastard sons heir to driftmark(they have no sea in their blood whatsoever) was disrespectful. The only reason she had any supporters whatsoever was because of the king. If the king had seen the truth for what it was and hadn't loved her blindly, she would've learnt her lessons. She was very much entitled. (Not to mention she didn't even want the throne for the better part of it)
@@megha9789 aegon didn't want the throne either.... viserys 1 didn't either... why does it matter? she took the responsibility seriously when it came down to it. her bastards don't matter in the claim for HER throne. corlys and the king confirmed luke's claim and the marriage to rhaena would've ensured the line would regain true velaryon blood. the greens didn't care for the good of driftmark, it was only a scheme to try to rid rhaenyra of alliances so they could could have an easier time usurping her.
@@megha9789but she didn’t name her sons the heir to driftmark. The rightful lord of driftmark did
@@megha9789 "the only reason she had supporters was because of the king" ...So... almost like it's a monarchy then or something...
This like picking a side in petty family drama while ignoring the consequences.
It doesn’t matter if it was way too ambiguous her being named heir literally overwrites any claim Aegon has that’s a fact
Yes
And if the king would have named a donkey his heir, would we just simply accept it and scream long live the king?
@@redwarrior9100 that’s not at all the same a donkey is a donkey not a human my lord you greens are dumb
can you engage with the hypothetical? @redwarrior9100 is saying that if a king was to name a “donkey”(referring to an idiot king” should we just sit here and say he should be king? he’s obviously not saying a LITERAL donkey.
@@sevenkingdomz still that’s not the same argument because Rhaenyra is not an idiot Rhaenyra is fact is a better queen then Aegon was a king Aegon was a drunken fool Rhaenyra (tho I will agree is evil just like Aegon) she at least was a better queen then Aegon was
(Also I’m not saying that Rhaenyra was the best queen either in my opinion Daeron would have been the best king way better then Rhaenyra if he lived longer but Rhaenyra was way better then Aegon and Aemond)
I will quickly answer the question in the title for y'all. Because he wanna be different than everybody. Here it is.
For everyone scrolling past this Comment.Its Becouse rheanyra was chosen due to the lack of a male heir .
ur tiny little brain really cant comprehend that other people might have different opinions than you
I'm on team green because Alicent and Aemond were good people turned sour by the blacks. Alicent stood up for Rhaenyra through her childhood just for Rhaenyra to lie to her face. I can see why it drove Alicent crazy ; rhaenyra got away with EVERYTHING while her father turned a blind eye to her activities and bastards. Aemond was brutally attacked 1v4. And one struck him in the eye with the knife. If you think Aemond is evil, imagine being 4 kids and beating 1 kid and one slashing their eye open. And no kid cared about Aemond's injury, nor Rhaenyra nor the king. All they cared about was "treason", aka the truth about the strong boys. Lucerys being chomped is a big dose of cosmic karma.
Aemond was about to crush lucerys with stone that was a fight among the children. And even before that aemond never acknowledged rhaenyera as a heir, he called haelena the future queen while having a conversation with aegon . Rhaenyera never lied to alicient she swore about not having sex with daemon which was true so where is the lie. Alicient was mad because rhaenyera had freedom to do whatever she wants but she was caged by her father so why is it her fault also its weird to say that she felt betrayed like why do you care whom your bsf sleeps with its her life. Alicient was just someone who wanted the freedom and love like rhaenyera got by her father but didn’t get so she turn that jealousy into hatred.
"brutally attacked" he taunted baela and rhaena about stealing their mothers' dragon on the night of her funeral. Her body practically wasn't even cold. Jacaerys only pulled out the knife when Aemond held up the rock while throttling his little brother. Lucerys took it off the ground and slashed Aemond with it. Aemond was MUCH older than the rest of the kids, even with them ganging up on him they were at a disadvantage because of his strength and size.
Aemond is quite literally a psychopath and we see that very clearly in season two. what are you on??
Yeah dude, but the thing is, a male heir can do all the things Rhae does with no problem. Aegon visited hore houses, had multiple bastards and raped young women. For him that doesn´t matter and that is the hypocrisy right there. Alicent could have done that if she wanted, without no one knowing of course, but being aligned with her father and under his control was not Rhaenyra´s fault at all... Like why in all this discussions the point of women being subjected to a different treatment than men is not brought up when is actually the entire point? Like Otto psychologically abusing his daughter and how that impacted her relation with Rhaenyra is never brought up? Let´s say Rhe lied (because we really don´t know what happened, is open to interpretation), well... she was in a very shitty situation to be in, and she knew Alicent would not understand. She is young, and knows she will be judged by that. Anyone at that age would have lied...
Both Team Green and Team Black make mistakes and act bad in different situations... Probably the only one that is saved is Helaena, and maybe Jace, or the sisters Rhaela and Baela. The thing about the kids... well, that, they are just kids in the middle of the division of the adults... and most what the kids do wrong is actually the fault of the adults and how they failed handling that situation, and how their own division as a family raised rivalries between them. We must realize they are kids, Aemond almost hits Luke with a rock, that could have been pretty bad!! worse than the eye even. And is not the fault of any of them, the adults are the ones that failed them.
i completely disagree that alicent was "betrayed" by rhaenyra when she lied about her encounters with daemon and cole. how exactly was alicent "betrayed"? that's hella weird that you'd feel betrayed if your bff lied to you about whether or not she had s3ggs with these guys who have nothing to do with you. it's not like alicent was betrothed to daemon or anything, and cole is a kingsguard, so what does that have anything to do with alicent? being lied to about it is a FAR CRY from being betrayed.
people who fixate on rhaenyra lying about her trysts are totally capping about how alicent is the one who actually stuck the knife FIRST by getting married to rhaenyra's FATHER. you guys are honestly wild with some of your takes.
this is not to say that rhaenyra is a saint or whatever. just that it's so strange how people consider rhaenyra's secret affairs as somehow a betrayal to alicent. the uncomfortable fact is that alicent was bitterly hurt by the reality that she doesn't have rhaenyra's freedom, but that's not rhaenyra's fault. that is OTTO's fault for grooming her to be a caged bird, yet nobody among the green fans would admit that otto is a horrible father to alicent.
okay listen. it’s not that fact that rhaenyra lied because “her bff did not tell her about the s3ggs she is having” it’s the fact that she’s lying to her face without hesitation and lying in the name of her deceased mother. would you trust your friend/family if they lied like that to you? also rhaenyra has 0 problems with alicent marrying her father there was no animosity.
@@sevenkingdomzso basically you’re saying that just because she lied to Alicent she deserves to have her throne taken that was rightfully given to her by her father and king?
@@sevenkingdomz alicent: did you fuck daemon. rhaenyra: no. that's supposed to be a lie? alicent only got mad at her because rhaenyra still fucked cole and didn't think to disclose it and alicent's honor and duty complex felt threatened so she felt like being mad.
@@sevenkingdomz
"she had no problems with alicent marrying her father--" bro are you serious? 😹 the blatant twisting of the story is wild.
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it's such a petty lie in the grand scheme of things, but people fixate on it as if she killed somebody and must be punished for it, all because of her "virtue" as alicent sees it. it doesn't compare to alicent marrying viserys, like there is actually no comparison to that degree of actual betrayal
@@sevenkingdomz Actually Rhaenyra swore upon the memory of her mother that she did not have s*x with Daemon. She did not lie in the name of her deceased mother. She was telling the truth. Also Rhaenyra MOST DEFINITELY had problems with Alicent marrying her father. Did we watch the same show? Rhaenyra stared at Alicent in near tears for 2 minutes before leaving the small council room when Viserys broke the news and was VISIBLY upset with her when we saw them in the timeskip after Alicent had Aegon. So that's at least 2 years and 9 months of her harboring animosity towards Alicent for marrying her father.
2:43 - Yes, it does
2:45 - None cares if "yoy reject this". If I reject today that sky is blue, it won't make sky stop being blue.
2:52 - Your argument does not work, because Greens did not propose on throne someone responsible and worthy. Also, Rhaneyra absolutely is worthy, and the reason you consider her 'not worthy' is pure misogyny - like demanding she should not be allowed to sleep with men she wants, and she is somehow unworthy because she had lovers and children how were acknolwedged by her own husband as his, so there is no problem there,
viserys had every opportunity to name aegon heir after he was born. for 20 years he upheld rhaenyra's claim. what a stupid argument to make.... even alicent mentioned that.
Yes ong
when you said "I'm fine with a woman being on the throne, but she has to be responsible and worth the title," you're implying that a woman has to try extra hard to prove herself? And the better alternative would be Aegon for responsibility. hmm... interesting opinion. I love a wrong opinion.
His lost when he said that. He tried to use Dany to redeem himself 😆
Yeah he’s acting like aegon, who knows absolutely nothing, is arrogant, horrible, and dumb is more responsible
literally... and his only arguments are things she did when she was a teenager...
you lot love taking one statement and making wildly absurd conclusions.
@@robr7815 the problem is that he is implying that aegon is more responsible to sit the throne than rhaenyra…AEGON! He literally raped people and called it fun, knows nothing about politics or his own culture, doesn’t want to be king, fathered multiple bastards, and ridicules the rest of his family.
So it kinda seems he is singling her out specifically because she is a woman
What do you mean by rhaenyera using christian like be fr rhaenyera was young and spoiled but christian broke his oath he was adult yet he acted rhaenyera would be happy to sell oranges when she is an heir of iron throne lol. Also he killed an innocent man at the wedding.
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
pro discourse pro discussion pro debate
I am Always with the true king aegon the second of his name the king of andals rowinar and the first man 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
This is a contradiction in terms....
Also aegon was rapists, didn’t care about his wife or realm and was drunk most of the times so saying he is deserving one baffles me Aemond on the other hand seems to be a complete pshycopath he will make a good king at the time of war but he won’t give a damn about his realm. Daemon on the other hand isn’t suited for king at all he is a good warrior but not someone who would be good king. Rhaenyra on the other hand wont be a good queen at the time of war but will be good queen at time of peace
I don't have horse in that race myself. I was black supporter but Daemon scenes in Harenhall destroyed him. Meetings of the riverlords should happen in episode 5 not now in 7th. WinterWolves should have already be in riverlands and everything should have been preoared for battle in that area. Now everything in last episode will be rushed and barely half deacent. Both episode 5 and 6 were bad but atleast ep 5 had reason to be slower because of things happened in 4th. Daemo and his voisions made me dislike his character. My only concern in war are, Ceraxes, Winter Wolves, Starks and Blackwoods and Hugh and Ulf and Vermithor and Silverwing. Rhaena scene with wild dragon in Vale was useless twice now. she should already found it and try to tame it
Do I need more reasons than Aegon is an incredible, excellent character,probably the biggest star of this season meanwhile Rhaenyra is boring and dull?
I supports team green because Rhaenyra is the wh0r3 of dragonstone
3:28 - Do you hear yourself? And what Greens do have? Nothing - your only arguments are that "Rhaenyra hurt their feelings". In what world hurting someone's feeling is justfication for stealing woman's birthright??? There is whole ZERO reason to support Greens. Except misogyny of course - which you clearly show by stating you root for incompetent ruler who abuses women, just because Rhaenyra one time withold private information from his mother and her son had to defend his brother from sociopathic brother of ruler in question.
Aegon is the true heir 💚💚
Lately I've been less Team Black
2:16 - NO THEY DON'T.
Cole wa snot used by Rhaenyra. He wanted her as much as she did wanted him. Stop excusing him, it's pathetic.
You just like alicent. Don’t blame you tho
Just like I thought - no valid reason, again. No suprising, as there no valid reason. 😆😆😆😆😆😆
he clearly stated valid reasons u just dont wanna listen lol cry about it
@@sweatyalbama8663 No reason he stated was valid. There is no valid reason to supports Greens. Anyone who does is misogynist. If you support what he says, that makes you one too 😘
@@sweatyalbama8663 There is no valid reason to support Greens except being anti-women. All his "reasons" are misogynistic ones.
Bran >>>>
I became Team Green because the fandom of team black labelled anyone a green supporter is a misogynist and they never can admit the faults of rhaenyra and how they constantly dismissed daemon actions while hating otto at the same time. Team Blacks fans and the charcaters of team black are basically rules for thee not 4 me type of people. Be prepared for the hate coming ur way.
I'm team black 100% but I was disgusted by Daemon CONSTANTLY in both seasons
@@phantom3545 Daemon throughout both seasons is rhaenyra cancer. He orchestrated blood and cheese weken he rposition and he almost cost her the riverlands given how he was acting. How people do not see that he is the same snake greedy manipulator like otto hightower i will never know?
Because that is true - anyone who supprts Greens is misogynist, as their whole basis for throne lies on MIOSGYNY. Also, I remmeber how you were telling me, you do not support Aegon, you support smart council around him - where is this cunicl now? Both Otto and Alicent aer fired and Aemond is on good way to becom sceond Maegor the Cruel. Your own argumentation is nonsens, and it's even more bizzare as you reda book, so you knew Otto will lost his position and Aemond will be male Maegor in all but name.
For 100th times, Rhaenyra did NOT lie to Alicent. She hid some truth, but so did Alicent. There were even.
people calling you misogynistic over a tv show is literally the one of the most braindead shit i heard, such an overused word lol
A) Rhaenyra is not terrible person - or at very least was not at moment Dance begun. She was kind, compassione and wise. If Greens let Rhaenyra rule, she would be very good queen.
B) Yes. And? Time of desperation passed and all other potential heirs turned out to be incompetent. The only argument that could justify Rhaenyra's usrpation would be if Aegon was better alternative, but he is NOT.
3:28 - Nothing? Watch show again. Rhaenyra is educated in kingship, diplomat and strong-willed. She is kind hearted in nature but ruthless when she has to. So her Crown Prince Jacaerys. They were both good promising leaders, while Aegon is drunk and uneducated and Aemond is psycho. Finally, Rhaneyra ascesion would mean gradual upgriding women position if only she was allowed rule fro decades. That is why you should root for Team Black. 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
Alicent and Cole were NOT victims. 🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂ And here actions were hardly horrible - one was not disclosing private information to "friend" who once witholded infromation form her. How Alicent should expect Rhaenyra will trust her? And Cole was not victim, he was willing participant.
Usurpers!
😂
Team Black were not start the war. Rhaenyra was named heir. There would be no war if Greens accepted this. Stop excusing usurpation. Rhaenyra did not start anything, she simply existed and minded her own business. Greens couldn't bear thought about woman on throne and ALicnet couldn't bear thought Rhaenyra got the man Alicent loved.