Why is it I so enjoyed being berated for being a Velvet Underground fan by a man in a flat cap wearing his jumper around his head 😂 valid criticism of the band and it's pretentious fans, still love the music. I heard " I'm Waiting for my Man" at full blast on a PA in a deconscretated church.....sounded like the greatest thing I ever heard.
A hipster acquaintance of mine many years ago recommended Swans to me. He wore army boots, had long hair despite balding heavily at 30, large glasses, was a political extremist (loved Nazis and Commies equally, no joke), and felt very superior to most people - except me. Maybe that's why he felt I was "worthy" of being converted into a hipster? No bloody chance of that, but he didn't know me that well. (Admittedly, I didn't even know about hipsterism back then.) Knowing that he selected his bands purely based on how obscure and "cool" they were, using heavy genre-bias rather than how good their music was, I was very skeptical, expecting nothing. After all, this guy had already recommended previously Beherit, Marduk and Neurosis. Not exactly a glowing CV of musical taste. And I got exactly nothing from listening to these feathery swany poseurs. My low expectations were met. Thin nonsense for the alternative 80s crowd. The music sucks, so perhaps their fans are drawn to Gira's druggy background? He was arrested for drug-dealing, and you know that hipsters love that kind of stuff.
I’ve only heard 1 counting crows album (the biggie - August & Everything After) - I find it way way to wordy. The singer never stops, he fills every bloody bar of music with words .
If i remember well, he worked his arse off during the 70s, and then he made those strange Red Noise. It was a very transitional time and Red Noise brilliance got lost in translation and airwaves too. Exception made to mr António Sérgio in Portugal, working at several Lisbon's National FM rockstations, who played a lot of BeBop Deluxe and Red Noise in the second half of the decade and even further on. Sérgio had great admiration for Bill Nelson's music, and that's where i remember Nelson from, during my sheltered teenage. There was even a Red Noise single on the jukebox of a billiards and pinball arcade, in my quiet province town in Northern PT. Go figure. Some artists have the gift of shining in backwater places.
Hi Andy! About Motörhead, the proggy album you missed just by one year, is not 1982's Iron Fist BUT Another Perfect Day, recorded with ex Thin Lizzy Brian Robertson in 1983. Check that album - that's where Lëmmy's Gruppe sounded the most prog. And in 1991's ''1916'' they had a symphonic piece on the title track. Worth listening. Cheers from PT.
Here's something we can all do to help Andy. Let the commercials play all the way through, don't click 'Skip'. Maybe even start the video and let it run all the way through after you've watched it once yourself.
Re any Stooges claim to progness : at the end of their 2nd album, Funhouse, they had a track "LA Blues" which is like a Velvet-Undergroundised free form jazz track. That might be the longish end-of-album track you briefly mentioned. I've heard it described as free form jazz - that's more your thing, so you'd be better placed to say if that's a description that might fit at a pinch, or if it's just silly messing around, trying to sound avant-garde. Anyway, that might be their best effort at something progish. There might also be something on their "Raw Power" album, but I've not listened to them for ages and can't particularly remember the tracks on that besides "Search and Destroy"
Stills sounds better than king crimson. the stooges deflated prog acts unintentionally in the early 70s and what was to come, before the sex pistols could lay claim to do so Funhouse, the album you refer to , is better than anything prog ever produced( and I love tales from the topographic oceans) So there
There's lots of catchy riffs, hooks, melodies and harmonies in Clash somgs. A clever mixture of pop, rock, punk and reggae, rather than straight up rock.
A list of The Ten Best Top 10 Prog videos please. PS do you have a bet on with someone that you will get the word VISCERAL into every video somewhere ? I haven't see a video yet where you do not slip in VISCERAL ( at least once ) Do you get a quid every time ?
Love 10, 9, 8, 6, and 3. Also love Jazz, ELP and Mahavishnu Orchestra! Wayne Kramer is the real deal and super nice guy. I met him around 2000. Just listened to my UK album this morning.
What about Blue Oyster Cult? Do they rate as prog or non prog? They had WWII references for what it’s worth, and drug deals that ended badly but what do you make of a song like She’s As Beautiful as a Foot? Acid rock? I don’t know but I like them. So Andy, prog? Non?
MC 5 drummer Dennis Thompson died a couple months after Wayne Kramer and was the last living member of MC 5. Side note, John Sinclair, the spiritual guidance of MC 5 also died earlier this year marking an end to an era for Detroit rock and roll.
Listening to Andy ranting about them just made me want to listen to them + John Cale and Lou Reed. I was a big enough fan of Velvet and Reed in the 90s that I saw Reed live at the end of that decade. One of my better concert memories. I got into John Cale a few years ago, I like that someone so old still releases music.
Andy, the Three Stooges are genius vintage filmaking. Get drunk with friends,get jamming with the 3 on a bigscreen as background and you'll get them. Just turn the sound off. They are a visual experience.
The Velvet Underground were marvellous and ultra-original and genuinely progressive. They were too cool for school, that is true. But it doesn't mean they sucked. I remember playing Red and Starless & Bible Black to my hip VU-and-Mary Chain-loving pals and they were blown away. And then Sonic Youth emerged and were too-cool-for-school punks and a really inventive art rock band at the same time. Chill, dude.
Maybe it's better to call it "Ten Garage Rock Bands," based on the two groups pictured in your advert, Andy. Where are the blues, country, funk, and reggae bands? Last I checked, they were pretty "unproggy!"
(Commenting in real time as I watch). Talking of 2nd albums, "Sister Ray" off the VU's 2nd album must be proto-prog, as it's proto-heavy-metal. I love Sister Ray. After you get past the initial crude guitar riff (which isn't a particularly fun riff) and they all start messing around a bit more, it's a delight. I love some of the weird little organ lines that John Cale weaves in now and then over the furious strumming.
I'm American and anyone actually in the music scene I know for at least state after state think of the Counting Crows as the limpest, wet-noodle, boring, commercial, coffee shop crap we have ever listened to. The band Bread had more deserved credit, and they're AWFUL to listen to. Oh btw, your opinions are cool with me even if I disagree. Amazing how many people can't be proper adults about things. So please rant away! I always have fun here! 🤘😎 Keep rocking and I'm loving your kit in the background man! Beautiful!
Another friday evening, sitting on the couch, the wife doesn't want to watch TV but wants to read the book she started to read the other day. Which again gives me the freedom to put my headphones on and turn on the 52" TV, start youtube, and, since it shows on top of my start page, select the newest video of Andy. The wife briefly looks up, notices that it is "that guy" again, and says 'Hey, your friend again'. Me: 'Not a friend, acutally. I often don't agree with him or have no idea what he's talking about, but he never ever bores me.' And thats the point I want to make here: unlike so many others Andy never ever - not once - bores me. That is it, that is what I have to say.
Seeing as you probably have colder days coming as the real winter arrives, I'd better give you a tip about the jersey: Stick the arms into the neck of your shirt. As for your list, you forgot Frank Sinatra. ;-)
Prog or not, pretentious or not, cool or goofy, old, middle or young as long as there’s some atmosphere that gives me a natural high, that’s all I care about
Andy has great comedic presence. And I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I laughed every time he said "Jesus & The Mary Chain" as opposed to "The Jesus & Mary Chain."
I'm massively into punk , but I saw the Ramones live once and it just sounded to me like one long song with a droney singer. Does the fact that the whole set sounded like one long song in fact make them accidentally prog ?
This was interrupted by an ad with a Harry Styles song - I know that from my wife’s choice of radio station. So if it counts as music and that’s debatable then One Direction.
Today the band delivering visceral R&R and a prog ascetic is King Gizzard the Lizard Wizard. They bring the rock, always something unexpected and dangerous
Bookending (almost) 2 bands out of the triumvirate of originators of the Detroit hard rock sound, The Stooges and MC5. Alice Cooper being the third but he hardly belongs on this list. Very nice. I've donated to the Jellyman paypal as my Xmas good deed because I've never seen a Pharaoh nearly freeze to death before seeing this video.
Cold. Cold weather. In England. Trying to heat yourself with a space heater in a big loft space in late November. Where i live the winter wants to kill you. If your heating doesn't go on you have serious problems. i managed to run out of oil in January once in my last apartment, and it was not funny. ... however, i did spend a winter in London once, and the damp cold got under my clothes in a way that it does not in Montreal. i was working at a used record store in London and they had this pathetic space heater at the cash. To me that was a joke. A good joke, and one that doesn't really translate.
I saw Dr Feelgood in the late 80s - bloody brilliant! The Velvet Underground's first album is actually great, it was even one of the first albums I bought on CD with 18 when that medium got popular (together with Lionheart by Kate Bush, Zabriskie Point OST, and JMJ's Oxygene), but that's the only good thing they or Lou Reed ever did apart from maybe Songs for Drella. But that is experimental but not prog, I am with you here.
Andy, of course you know NOTHING about them, but I know TWO (2) things about them: "Macho Man" (1978) is the first THE VILLAGE PEOPLE song that I ever heard, at the tender age of nine (9) years old! And... I know that there was a cowboy in the group. 🤠
You have a rather narrow definition of what prog is. For me, prog is about inventiveness, and trying to do something new and original and interesting, at least in intent (although not often in execution) and this requires a certain level of pretentiousness. Most of the bands you mention fit within my definition. These bands may not be prog but they were progressive (especially the Velvet Underground). Which makes them kind of prog or at least adjacent to it. Come to think of it, a discussion on the difference between prog and progressive would be interesting. And Art-rock too. VU, Stooges, JAMC would be art-rock IMO. The Stooges started out as an improv band. Unfortunately their producers edited their stuff quite badly but you can hear a bit of progginess in their out-takes. And side two of Funhouse is kind of prog too. I also think the Ramones are over-rated but they are a concept band. They didn't all end up dressing the same and having the same surname by accident. Minimalism is still an artistic concept which would make them Art-Rock, so therefore the Ramones are a little bit prog too (even if they deny it), For me, the least prog bands are the post eighties boy bands, that have no inventiveness, no originality, no artistry. They don't even have control over the music they make. However listening to someone talk about boy bands for 40 minutes would be pretty boring so your list was more entertaining.
The MC5 were influenced by Free Jazz, acid rock and Detroit Soul/Funk bands. More Prog than you would think. Showaddywaddy (support act for Einsturzende Nuebauten) spring to mind. Otherwise, for me the least prog music is rock and roll and boogie. Much more so than punk. ZZ Top or ACDC that's the kind of thing I think of as Un-Prog. You would not catch them dressing as daffodils. Hair Metal too, far too popular with girls to ever be Prog.
I was thinking bands that look back to older styles of music like blues and Americana, or pop groups that just try to sound like everyone else in their era.
A happy surprise! I was thinking about Dr Feelgood from the start and didn't think for one minute you would mention them. Well done! You can add The Count Bishops, Eddie and the Hot Rods and Lew Lewis to them. I saw the Ramones live when I was a student. Even the Clash were better than them and I really don't like the Clash.
Get a log burner and pilfer the woods behind you.. and do some more gigs. I'll bring some biscuits (with a flask if you still haven't got a tea, Ern? ready). All the best!
id imagine the opposite to prog is pop, not being judgmental or anything, it just makes sense, i like a lot of prog but generally not the ones people expect, i have increasingly broad musical taste, i started collecting 60s and early 70s stuff during the early 80s, particularly psychedelic stuff, but i have, soul, blues, folk, jazz,, punk, new wave, krautrock,80s alternative,classical , exotica, reggae, rythym and blues, and pop as well, and i like different things at different times. i did like rock music first i guess.......the stooges and MC5 , i like both of them particularly the MC5 who were very influential on the melbourne underground music scene in the 80s, i did get a bit sick of flat out guitar rock sometimes but all my mates loved it. one of my best freinds was a guy named john Nolan who played great guitar in a band called the powder monkeys who were very much in that vein (lol< that was unintentional but saddly they are pretty much all dead from drug related issues, that was a pretty hard band, but they have an awesome reputation and were very good)....i was more of a tripper but so was john. we had quite a few mushroom experiences together. the velvet underground can get a bit annoying but i do quite like waiting for my man and heroin,lol, cant stand jesus and mary chain though, they were just too much of a VU clone. i love Dr Feelgood, the wilco era, but i did see them without wilco in the 80s a few times , and johnny thunders , i saw him at melbourne uni in mid 80s....i never liked ac dc much as a kid but i love em now, just the bon scott stuff but those first 4 OZ albums kick arse. Australia actually had some great 70s bands, la de das, aztecs, coloured balls,madder lake,spectrum,chain ,carson, Tully, Tamam shud, and plenty more, i have a huge collection of oz 70s stuff. i love hawkwind too , actually wearing a hawkwind t shirt right now. not a big ramones fan except for a couple of songs, they get very repetetive, lots of my old mates loved them though. good on you mate, take it easy.
I think that's the whole point of the Ramones. They're really kind of shit, BUT fun shit. If you don't hear the fun in it, then that leaves you just with the shit.
When the velvet underground opened for the Mother's at the Fillmore , when they finished their set, frank zappa announced from the stage "man those guys sucked, didn't they".
Andy - Do you regard Supertramp as prog? They never seem to appear in your conversations or lists when 'Crime of The Century' is in my mind one of the top 3 prog albums of all time
Funny you mention Motörhead and the Ramones. "R.A.M.O.N.E.S." is a song first recorded by the British rock band Motörhead on their 1991 album 1916 as a tribute[1] to their friends and contemporaries, the Ramones. Motörhead had good taste in music as well as attitude. That is what prog lacks for the most part. The ol’ “F” you ! attitude.
Pass the popcorn, Andy is brilliant blend of serious music commentary and comedy! Cheers from Kansas, Andy!
MC5 is one of the few bands that released a live album (Kick Out The Jams) as their debut.
You need merch...Prog Deviant! T-shirts.😃
Gotta love some honest musician talk.
That would be a great t-shirt
Good stuff Andy! Awesome delivery and humour. The fact that you're all bundled up in a freezing cold studio adds to the hilarity!
I'm 50 and never listened to velvet underground until 2 years ago and I love their tracks
That one-man AC/DC tribute act has got success written all over it.
I think you unwittingly nailed it with the first band you mentioned in the video - Chas N Dave
It’s great to follow Andy’s rise over the years from unknown drummer to professional click baiter.
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Why is it I so enjoyed being berated for being a Velvet Underground fan by a man in a flat cap wearing his jumper around his head 😂 valid criticism of the band and it's pretentious fans, still love the music. I heard " I'm Waiting for my Man" at full blast on a PA in a deconscretated church.....sounded like the greatest thing I ever heard.
A hipster acquaintance of mine many years ago recommended Swans to me. He wore army boots, had long hair despite balding heavily at 30, large glasses, was a political extremist (loved Nazis and Commies equally, no joke), and felt very superior to most people - except me. Maybe that's why he felt I was "worthy" of being converted into a hipster? No bloody chance of that, but he didn't know me that well. (Admittedly, I didn't even know about hipsterism back then.) Knowing that he selected his bands purely based on how obscure and "cool" they were, using heavy genre-bias rather than how good their music was, I was very skeptical, expecting nothing. After all, this guy had already recommended previously Beherit, Marduk and Neurosis. Not exactly a glowing CV of musical taste.
And I got exactly nothing from listening to these feathery swany poseurs. My low expectations were met. Thin nonsense for the alternative 80s crowd. The music sucks, so perhaps their fans are drawn to Gira's druggy background? He was arrested for drug-dealing, and you know that hipsters love that kind of stuff.
A brilliant exposition of sciolism. Very entertaining and I mostly agree with you about all those so called cool bands.
I’ve only heard 1 counting crows album (the biggie - August & Everything After) - I find it way way to wordy. The singer never stops, he fills every bloody bar of music with words .
Bill Nelson has been officially acknowledged as a prog master but there is so little buzz around him. I don't get it.
If i remember well, he worked his arse off during the 70s, and then he made those strange Red Noise. It was a very transitional time and Red Noise brilliance got lost in translation and airwaves too. Exception made to mr António Sérgio in Portugal, working at several Lisbon's National FM rockstations, who played a lot of BeBop Deluxe and Red Noise in the second half of the decade and even further on. Sérgio had great admiration for Bill Nelson's music, and that's where i remember Nelson from, during my sheltered teenage. There was even a Red Noise single on the jukebox of a billiards and pinball arcade, in my quiet province town in Northern PT. Go figure. Some artists have the gift of shining in backwater places.
His solo work along with Hammill, so undervalued!
Hysterical
Hi Andy! About Motörhead, the proggy album you missed just by one year, is not 1982's Iron Fist BUT Another Perfect Day, recorded with ex Thin Lizzy Brian Robertson in 1983. Check that album - that's where Lëmmy's Gruppe sounded the most prog. And in 1991's ''1916'' they had a symphonic piece on the title track. Worth listening. Cheers from PT.
The Ramones have to be the most overrated band ever.
But the kitty purring really brightened up my day. Bliss ❤
Ramones: kindergarten rock. La la la rock.
Hey, local people, get Andy an electric blanket!!!
Awesome concept...going nuts with top ten lists 😂
That(!) was a good one! The Hells Bells impersonation nearly had me falling out of my chair (Brian)...
Props for the image of Curly, Moe and Larry.
Andy..you are a superb drummer, musician, you got something to give...thank you....I will ..follow!
04:00 to 5:16: 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃. Quite good, this.
And then the 'Am I on fire?' bit. Really good fun, thank you Andy!
Here's something we can all do to help Andy. Let the commercials play all the way through, don't click 'Skip'. Maybe even start the video and let it run all the way through after you've watched it once yourself.
Have a fantastic weekend Andy
Good on ya Andy
Nice list as always. Good points made. 👍
The Jesus and Mary Chain were from a council estate in East Kilbride I like them but I also like Gong.
Re any Stooges claim to progness : at the end of their 2nd album, Funhouse, they had a track "LA Blues" which is like a Velvet-Undergroundised free form jazz track. That might be the longish end-of-album track you briefly mentioned. I've heard it described as free form jazz - that's more your thing, so you'd be better placed to say if that's a description that might fit at a pinch, or if it's just silly messing around, trying to sound avant-garde. Anyway, that might be their best effort at something progish. There might also be something on their "Raw Power" album, but I've not listened to them for ages and can't particularly remember the tracks on that besides "Search and Destroy"
Don't forget that weird chanty song on their debut.
Stills sounds better than king crimson.
the stooges deflated prog acts unintentionally in the early 70s and what was to come, before the sex pistols could lay claim to do so
Funhouse, the album you refer to , is better than anything prog ever produced( and I love tales from the topographic oceans)
So there
There's lots of catchy riffs, hooks, melodies and harmonies in Clash somgs. A clever mixture of pop, rock, punk and reggae, rather than straight up rock.
A list of The Ten Best Top 10 Prog videos please. PS do you have a bet on with someone that you will get the word VISCERAL into every video somewhere ? I haven't see a video yet where you do not slip in VISCERAL ( at least once ) Do you get a quid every time ?
Love 10, 9, 8, 6, and 3. Also love Jazz, ELP and Mahavishnu Orchestra! Wayne Kramer is the real deal and super nice guy. I met him around 2000. Just listened to my UK album this morning.
The Ramones?
No, it's just the way i walk.
What about Blue Oyster Cult? Do they rate as prog or non prog? They had WWII references for what it’s worth, and drug deals that ended badly but what do you make of a song like She’s As Beautiful as a Foot? Acid rock? I don’t know but I like them. So Andy, prog? Non?
MC 5 drummer Dennis Thompson died a couple months after Wayne Kramer and was the last living member of MC 5. Side note, John Sinclair, the spiritual guidance of MC 5 also died earlier this year marking an end to an era for Detroit rock and roll.
Lemmy loved the Ramones, there's your prog link.
Probably liked them as incidental, background music. Motorhead are so more cutting edge than The Ramones:)
@Bobmacca64 Motorhead wrote a song about The Ramones. Lemmy was best mates with Joey Ramone.
@BBlooger Was he? Didn't know it.
Venus In Furs sounds seriously proggy. Cale's well proggy.
Using viola has to be a bit proggy, he also has classical influences.
The Murder Mystery is properly out there.
Listening to Andy ranting about them just made me want to listen to them + John Cale and Lou Reed. I was a big enough fan of Velvet and Reed in the 90s that I saw Reed live at the end of that decade. One of my better concert memories.
I got into John Cale a few years ago, I like that someone so old still releases music.
Year end idea: Ten best top ten lists! Could be redone every year or every season. A separate ten best unranked lists would also be lovely.
Andy, the Three Stooges are genius vintage filmaking. Get drunk with friends,get jamming with the 3 on a bigscreen as background and you'll get them. Just turn the sound off. They are a visual experience.
Hilarious. "How many crow bands do you need?" I thought the same thing back when i heard about them.
My first thought before watching the video) was to name 10 bands that do nothing but pure, straight, I-IV-V blues.
The Velvet Underground were marvellous and ultra-original and genuinely progressive. They were too cool for school, that is true. But it doesn't mean they sucked. I remember playing Red and Starless & Bible Black to my hip VU-and-Mary Chain-loving pals and they were blown away. And then Sonic Youth emerged and were too-cool-for-school punks and a really inventive art rock band at the same time. Chill, dude.
VU have their moments.
That cat at the end was purring, not crying
In the 80’s I was the first kid on my block who had The Eddie Jobson Zinc album.
Loved the one man AC/DC skit!
I've seen at least 2 bands called The Crows.
Interterestering fact that.
Maybe it's better to call it "Ten Garage Rock Bands," based on the two groups pictured in your advert, Andy. Where are the blues, country, funk, and reggae bands? Last I checked, they were pretty "unproggy!"
Thank you.
(Commenting in real time as I watch). Talking of 2nd albums, "Sister Ray" off the VU's 2nd album must be proto-prog, as it's proto-heavy-metal. I love Sister Ray. After you get past the initial crude guitar riff (which isn't a particularly fun riff) and they all start messing around a bit more, it's a delight. I love some of the weird little organ lines that John Cale weaves in now and then over the furious strumming.
The Damned did "Curtain Call" full Prog track,
That flat cap IS comedy! 😂
The Ramones are totally not prog, nor are they really punk. They are bubblegum - the Bay City Rollers - on steroids. And I love it!
Oh Andy! Taking your shots at VU and Swans. Wait, you like Wilko Johnson? All is forgiven.
....the Beatboxing of AC/DC made my day 😂
I'm American and anyone actually in the music scene I know for at least state after state think of the Counting Crows as the limpest, wet-noodle, boring, commercial, coffee shop crap we have ever listened to. The band Bread had more deserved credit, and they're AWFUL to listen to.
Oh btw, your opinions are cool with me even if I disagree. Amazing how many people can't be proper adults about things. So please rant away! I always have fun here! 🤘😎 Keep rocking and I'm loving your kit in the background man! Beautiful!
Counting crows lyrics are brilliant.
Another friday evening, sitting on the couch, the wife doesn't want to watch TV but wants to read the book she started to read the other day. Which again gives me the freedom to put my headphones on and turn on the 52" TV, start youtube, and, since it shows on top of my start page, select the newest video of Andy. The wife briefly looks up, notices that it is "that guy" again, and says 'Hey, your friend again'. Me: 'Not a friend, acutally. I often don't agree with him or have no idea what he's talking about, but he never ever bores me.' And thats the point I want to make here: unlike so many others Andy never ever - not once - bores me. That is it, that is what I have to say.
Seeing as you probably have colder days coming as the real winter arrives, I'd better give you a tip about the jersey: Stick the arms into the neck of your shirt.
As for your list, you forgot Frank Sinatra. ;-)
Nonsense, Frank made the first concept album In the Wee Small Hours
Prog or not, pretentious or not, cool or goofy, old, middle or young as long as there’s some atmosphere that gives me a natural high, that’s all I care about
Amen. It's about the tunes, after all. Or should be.
Andy has great comedic presence. And I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I laughed every time he said "Jesus & The Mary Chain" as opposed to "The Jesus & Mary Chain."
I was already in tears after “am I on fire” 😂
@@JojoFryrocks I laughed at that too!
I love the Jesus and Mary Chain. Psychocandy may be my Least favorite Jesus and Mary Chain Album.
there are 2 hawkwind covers,and a pink fairies cover on the debut motorhead album
The winner has to be the French Harsh Noise Wall (HNW) project/artist Vomir:
ua-cam.com/video/jMwBAYoMudg/v-deo.html
Idea for Andy....my favourite top ten favourite gigs I went too😮.....
I'm massively into punk , but I saw the Ramones live once and it just sounded to me like one long song with a droney singer. Does the fact that the whole set sounded like one long song in fact make them accidentally prog ?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂a man after my own heart when it comes to musical taste.
Wholeheartedly agree with the Lou Reed and Velvet Underground assessment. Pretentious nonsense, and rude to interviewers on top of it.
This was interrupted by an ad with a Harry Styles song - I know that from my wife’s choice of radio station. So if it counts as music and that’s debatable then One Direction.
Today the band delivering visceral R&R and a prog ascetic is King Gizzard the Lizard Wizard. They bring the rock, always something unexpected and dangerous
Really hitting the Prog Model Airplane Glue today, aren't ya?
Bookending (almost) 2 bands out of the triumvirate of originators of the Detroit hard rock sound, The Stooges and MC5. Alice Cooper being the third but he hardly belongs on this list. Very nice.
I've donated to the Jellyman paypal as my Xmas good deed because I've never seen a Pharaoh nearly freeze to death before seeing this video.
Cold. Cold weather. In England. Trying to heat yourself with a space heater in a big loft space in late November. Where i live the winter wants to kill you. If your heating doesn't go on you have serious problems. i managed to run out of oil in January once in my last apartment, and it was not funny. ... however, i did spend a winter in London once, and the damp cold got under my clothes in a way that it does not in Montreal. i was working at a used record store in London and they had this pathetic space heater at the cash. To me that was a joke. A good joke, and one that doesn't really translate.
I saw Dr Feelgood in the late 80s - bloody brilliant! The Velvet Underground's first album is actually great, it was even one of the first albums I bought on CD with 18 when that medium got popular (together with Lionheart by Kate Bush, Zabriskie Point OST, and JMJ's Oxygene), but that's the only good thing they or Lou Reed ever did apart from maybe Songs for Drella. But that is experimental but not prog, I am with you here.
Kula Shaker invented the steering wheel.
Andy, of course you know NOTHING about them, but I know TWO (2) things about them: "Macho Man" (1978) is the first THE VILLAGE PEOPLE song that I ever heard, at the tender age of nine (9) years old! And... I know that there was a cowboy in the group. 🤠
HELLs Bells so good… thanks for that a capella🤣🤣
Village People with YMCA was actually my first thought too. :)
You have a rather narrow definition of what prog is. For me, prog is about inventiveness, and trying to do something new and original and interesting, at least in intent (although not often in execution) and this requires a certain level of pretentiousness. Most of the bands you mention fit within my definition. These bands may not be prog but they were progressive (especially the Velvet Underground). Which makes them kind of prog or at least adjacent to it. Come to think of it, a discussion on the difference between prog and progressive would be interesting. And Art-rock too. VU, Stooges, JAMC would be art-rock IMO.
The Stooges started out as an improv band. Unfortunately their producers edited their stuff quite badly but you can hear a bit of progginess in their out-takes. And side two of Funhouse is kind of prog too. I also think the Ramones are over-rated but they are a concept band. They didn't all end up dressing the same and having the same surname by accident. Minimalism is still an artistic concept which would make them Art-Rock, so therefore the Ramones are a little bit prog too (even if they deny it),
For me, the least prog bands are the post eighties boy bands, that have no inventiveness, no originality, no artistry. They don't even have control over the music they make. However listening to someone talk about boy bands for 40 minutes would be pretty boring so your list was more entertaining.
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The MC5 were influenced by Free Jazz, acid rock and Detroit Soul/Funk bands. More Prog than you would think.
Showaddywaddy (support act for Einsturzende Nuebauten) spring to mind.
Otherwise, for me the least prog music is rock and roll and boogie. Much more so than punk. ZZ Top or ACDC that's the kind of thing I think of as Un-Prog. You would not catch them dressing as daffodils. Hair Metal too, far too popular with girls to ever be Prog.
I love New York Dolls. To me they're basically the Rolling Stones meets KISS.
That's precisely why they stink.
I was thinking bands that look back to older styles of music like blues and Americana, or pop groups that just try to sound like everyone else in their era.
A happy surprise! I was thinking about Dr Feelgood from the start and didn't think for one minute you would mention them. Well done! You can add The Count Bishops, Eddie and the Hot Rods and Lew Lewis to them. I saw the Ramones live when I was a student. Even the Clash were better than them and I really don't like the Clash.
Was not expecting a one man cover of Hells Bells 😂
James & William Reid posh boys? Andy's obviously never been to East Kilbride.Thanks for the LOLZ.
Stooges, Dolls & Ramones should take it as a compliment.
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Get a log burner and pilfer the woods behind you.. and do some more gigs. I'll bring some biscuits (with a flask if you still haven't got a tea, Ern? ready). All the best!
You did interview J-L Ponty; why not talk to John Cale, an accomplished violist (etc.) with some intriguing solo stuff (too posh?)
You can't slag off a band that had a viola player in the line up!! You can't say the Velvet underground couldn't play.
For the first time in my life my ears enjoyed hearing an ACDC song.
I'm giving them a serious try right now, starting from the beginning with High Voltage.
id imagine the opposite to prog is pop, not being judgmental or anything, it just makes sense, i like a lot of prog but generally not the ones people expect, i have increasingly broad musical taste, i started collecting 60s and early 70s stuff during the early 80s, particularly psychedelic stuff, but i have, soul, blues, folk, jazz,, punk, new wave, krautrock,80s alternative,classical , exotica, reggae, rythym and blues, and pop as well, and i like different things at different times. i did like rock music first i guess.......the stooges and MC5 , i like both of them particularly the MC5 who were very influential on the melbourne underground music scene in the 80s, i did get a bit sick of flat out guitar rock sometimes but all my mates loved it. one of my best freinds was a guy named john Nolan who played great guitar in a band called the powder monkeys who were very much in that vein (lol< that was unintentional but saddly they are pretty much all dead from drug related issues, that was a pretty hard band, but they have an awesome reputation and were very good)....i was more of a tripper but so was john. we had quite a few mushroom experiences together. the velvet underground can get a bit annoying but i do quite like waiting for my man and heroin,lol, cant stand jesus and mary chain though, they were just too much of a VU clone. i love Dr Feelgood, the wilco era, but i did see them without wilco in the 80s a few times , and johnny thunders , i saw him at melbourne uni in mid 80s....i never liked ac dc much as a kid but i love em now, just the bon scott stuff but those first 4 OZ albums kick arse. Australia actually had some great 70s bands, la de das, aztecs, coloured balls,madder lake,spectrum,chain ,carson, Tully, Tamam shud, and plenty more, i have a huge collection of oz 70s stuff. i love hawkwind too , actually wearing a hawkwind t shirt right now. not a big ramones fan except for a couple of songs, they get very repetetive, lots of my old mates loved them though. good on you mate, take it easy.
I think that's the whole point of the Ramones. They're really kind of shit, BUT fun shit. If you don't hear the fun in it, then that leaves you just with the shit.
Iggy Pop and the Stooges, New York Dolls,big influence on the original British punk scene
When the velvet underground opened for the Mother's at the Fillmore , when they finished their set, frank zappa announced from the stage "man those guys sucked, didn't they".
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Andy - Do you regard Supertramp as prog? They never seem to appear in your conversations or lists when 'Crime of The Century' is in my mind one of the top 3 prog albums of all time
The Bee Gees started as pop, went psyche, then prog, then funk, then disco, then pop again.
That just means they were the greatest group in the world.
Hall & Oates.
Aren’t they the antithesis of prog?
Funny you mention Motörhead and the Ramones.
"R.A.M.O.N.E.S." is a song first recorded by the British rock band Motörhead on their 1991 album 1916 as a tribute[1] to their friends and contemporaries, the Ramones.
Motörhead had good taste in music as well as attitude.
That is what prog lacks for the most part.
The ol’ “F” you ! attitude.
Lemmy only joined Hawkwind for the drugs.