First of all, great review - thanks for taking the time to produce this. At 31kg, it's an absolute beast of a bike, and as a speed pedelec, it'll essentially be classed as a moped. I don't know about Nederland, but in Scotland that means you'll need to jump through several hoops to get riding - certificate of conformity (168/2013/EU regulations), vehicle import pack, driver’s license, V5 registration document, vehicle tax (although it’s probably exempt), get a license plate (kentekenplaat) and get a kit-marked motorcycle helmet (normal cycling helmet isn’t sufficient). The license aspect is also interesting - if you got your license before 2001, you’re allowed to ride a moped without any further training (commonly known as “grandfather’s rights”) but if you got it after 2001 then you have to undertake a motorcycle CBT course. All this before you even get out on the road. Phew! To compound the above administrative misery (and although this again may vary from country to country) I’m not sure you can use traditional cycle paths, and if you get caught speeding (even if this means free-wheeling down a hill which has a 20mph limit, say) you can, in theory, get penalty points on your drivers license as you would in a car. I’d also be wary about leaving it anywhere (even locked) for a few moments. I currently use an Electric Brompton for commuting (60km round trip) and although it’s slower and the battery capacity is far below that of the Stromer, the versatility is exceptional and it’s still really good fun to ride. Plus, I can fold it up and it can sit under my desk at work.
Thanks Del for taking the time for such a comment ;-). Yes, legal we have a lot of regulations too. We are one country in that respect. I could do a video on that for an hour but I don't have that ambition. Speeding... in my village I am allowed 30 km/h so that was a thing to think about. Speedcamera's... that would be funny! We get more and more speed-pedelec dedicated cycleways around here. Bromton = smart! Cheers, Gijs
As a Stromer ST1x buyer in the Netherlands, you have the choice to do it yourself. But I paid the dealer / shop to handle it for me. That means that when the bike got delivered, it had the license plate on it and I received the vehicle-paper-work in the mail. If you do it yourself, you get an import classification from the shop. You request (from home) a license plate for the bike, and they require you to include that document and a few pictures and you have to 'agree' that you didn't make any modifications... and you'll receive the license plate in the mail after a one-time payment. I don't pay yearly road tax, it's a one time thing. Like I said, I paid around 150 euros to have the shop handle it all (including the one time registration fee). Since you're legally a moped, you are required to be insured, and yes that costs money. But for me it's around 120,- euros per year for _full_ theft + damage coverage and pickup service in case of trouble. Just the traffic insurance can be had way less... but it is required. I had to deliver a copy of my driver's license in the shop... I actually have no clue what you require to ride a moped in the Netherlands. Maybe there is a special drivers-license for mopeds you can get if you don't want more, but since I had my regular driver's license (cars) I'm allowed to just hop on mopeds and s-pedelecs. S-pedelecs rules are different in all countries. The rules about where you're allowed to ride and not are different between Belgium and Netherlands for instance. We dutchies see it as a negative aspect that we have to drive 'in between the cars' with mopeds, and on a s-pedelec instead of a real moped you feel more vulnerable. But that is because we are used to segregated bike paths _everywhere_ and the moment we have to drive between the cars we think 'oh my god'. In other countries (UK) it's very special to have a dedicated bike path, they are used to riding between the other road users... so it's no different there. @17:30 I can do 20kph with the engine completely turned off on my ST1x, but it's no fun. Mode1 (it's eco mode) it is more a 'bring me home' mode when the battery is lower than you hoped for :P. I can _easily_ do 27khp 30khps in mode 1, and (also the bigger blue battery) I can do 200km even with bad weather. But than you're more touring. And officially you still have to go on moped-paths or roads, instead of bike-paths. No thanks. S-pedelecs are not meant for that :). If I suddenly have 5% left and I'm afraid I can't bring it home. I can ride it to 0 and then I'm in 'no-fun no assistance at all' mode. That's the moment to use mode1. It'll happily ride like a 'normal' e-bike with suddenly 30+ km left. So, if you're in doubt that you have enough juice to get you home... switch it to mode1 before it completely drains out. It's much nicer to ride it like this :P. I'm doing 2x 30km each day and I have a charger at work (and at home). One morning I get at work with 55% percent left, but other morning I get there with 40% left. I'm a heavy guy, so the bike is working hard. And then it's very affected by wind. So I'm using _between_ 40% and 60% to go 30km as fast as possible (this was in the same winter as your review :P). So I always charge in between. Also saves the battery a bit more to not let it drain completely every time. The new charger is completely silent and very light. Still takes around 5 hours to charge a completely empty blue battery What's bad about Stromer? They are expensive, there are more modern s-pedelecs with belts and seamless shifting (one big advantage of Stromer _used_ to be less maintenance because of the rear-wheel motor. A modern belt-driven mid-engine is just as good if not better). But they seem to have growing pains in building basic bikes. The paint chips off in places _in weeks_ after getting a 5000+ euro bike, the system they mean to put up the license plate is very easily broken. The rear-fender is part of the bike-rack, and the screws can wiggle loose and have enough room to lower a bit over a centimeter, causing the fender to drop on the wheel at 45kph... And I had multiple electronic failures because moisture got in places where it shouldn't... which is just plain bad for an expensive bike made for commuting. So my 5000+ bike already has paint missing on multiple places, a non-working taillight because the license-plate got loose, and the underside is completely covered with isolating-tape to keep the moisture out, causing the horn to be almost silent (it has no air to work with). So it's not a 'pearl' to keep nice looking for resell... it's a workhorse that will show it marks... which I'm Ok with :). Wind, rain or storm, it still beats going with the train every single day for me. Car is no option in Amsterdam (parking is crazy expensive every day).
Heel interessant om jouw kijk op een speedpedelec te zien. Inderdaad, met hogere snelheid gaat het verbruik per KM ook omhoog, de watthours vliegen je accu uit. Een e-bike is eigenlijk 4 fietsen in een enkele fiets. Met de ondersteuningsschakelaar kies je tussen die 4 fietsen, Stand 0 : een zware fiets waarop je flink moet inspannen, ideaal om zwaar op te trainen zonder hard te gaan. Stand 1 : een normale fiets, alsof er geen motor en accu aan hangt Stand 2 : een lichte fiets die je het gevoel hebt goed in vorm te zijn Stand 3 : een magische fiets die je hard laat gaan zonder veel te zweten. Voor de eerste drie standen geldt dat je er voor minder geld een betere fiets voor kan kopen. Alleen stand 3 geeft iets wat een andere fiets niet kan. De meerwaarde is echter dat je op elk moment kunt schakelen tussen die 4 standen, dat je niet een andere fiets uit het schuurtje hoeft te halen. Een bekend scenario is ergens (werk, feest, verjaardag, winkel) naar toe gaan met ondersteuning om niet bezweten aan te komen en dan op de terugweg de ondersteuning weglaten om de spieren aan het werk te zetten en jezelf te doen zweten. Wordt het te zwaar en krijg je kramp kan je motor altijd nog aan om je thuis te brengen. Tijdens een tourtocht kan je de motor gebruiken als je merkt dat je niet op eigen kracht op tijd op je bestemming zult aankomen.
Very good review and very complete. I am in Canada and have a Stromer ST3LE and I will replace my car with this bike. I have been using my ST3 all winter long with spiked tires and it’s a monster, what a bike! I can’t wait to try the summer tires!
i have bosch, bafang,and shimano. i dont say this easily,but nothing compares to stromer,even on hills. price is high,but justified. this is a premium product and quality and reliability reflects this premium over cheaper alternatives.
Hartelijk dank voor deze ongelooflijk gedetailleerde review Gijs! Ik hoop dat je meer views krijgt, gezien je veel moeite in deze videos stopt en dat zeker te merken is. Topvideo!
I've been driving an ST3 for 2 years and do 50k to work every day. I am very satisfied with it. It goes very fast, it has a lot of power and has a lot of torque when accelerating. You drive with ease even up a road with a medium slope. Only on really steep roads the rear wheel drive is not suitable. Otherwise, the drive is the perfect choice. The chain wear is much lower and power transmission better. With the Stromer I overtake with ease any other S-pedelec. The frame is very stiff, the tires wide and very grippy. It rides very safely and already feels a bit like a motorcycle. I really like the tidy, sporty design. Yes it is expensive but it plays on another league. If it were a car it would probably be a BMW and even these have their added value. Innovation, technology, design, quality and speed has its price. I would say try it and it will convince you to buy it or keep dreaming about it.
Great review. I own the ST3 AE myself, so I have the same battery as you. My experience of the maximum range at top speed is the same as yours. Regarding going for long range, based on my experience, it's not really the level of support that you choose but more the speed. If I ride together with my wife, we are limited to max 25 km/h as she uses a regular pedelec. In that scenario the battery range of the St3 is over 200 km on a full charge, even in mode 3. Well very theoretic, as it was built to go fast :-) I think you get this feeling as the bike measures the torque and not the crank speed. So if you are riding slow, there's not that much support in any gear you are riding. Even in support mode 3 I have the impression that the support is poor at that moderate speed. However once you press down the pedals a bit harder, the bikes gets alive and really starts to move. I love riding it.
A very review with just the right balance of feature reviews and riding outdoors. Personally, I would have liked to have seen the suspension forks and seatpost demonstrated, but I appreciate that wasn't the loan bike you had. I would also be interested to see the pinion gear system reviewed - perhaps in the future? 😀
Hi Peter, Thanks for the nice remarks 😀. Suspension.... yeah but I don't like suspension on bikes that I use also as a trekking bike. Mountainbikes different story. Pinion.... ABS? Just shot that video yesterday on the Stromer ST3 with Pinion and ABS, but it takes time to edit so give me a week or so. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Hoi Pieter, Ja, dat zou leuk zijn. Ik heb het een paar keer gevraagd maar Stromer geeft niet meer thuis. Jammer🙁. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews dank voor antwoord...nu kwam ik ook de opium tegen...ziet uit als stromer..ze zeggen betrouwbaarder tr zijn...en helemaal voor mij ideaal..een display van FIT op het stuur...je had het in in je review ook over...dus ben benieuwd naar deze nieuwe fiets
Nice videos taken in the surroundings of my hometown Herveld (NL), with the steep climb of the Grebbeberg and the Tacitus bridge over the river Waal. Hope to meet some day at Stromer dealer Vietz in Herveld.
Interesting review of the Stromer ST3. Basically, I agree with all your remarks, about the things that could be improved. That brings me to the core of the Stromer bike concept, they did not really improve the bike they only made it more luxurious. I could not find significant improvement really. Hence the fact I did not buy an ST3 or the ST5, the last one way overpriced. Besides, it is becoming more and more a moped and less a bike soon we will have no pedals any more. Do I have a right to speak? I think so. I ride Stromers for almost 4 years now and biked a total distance of 43.000 km with an average speed of 30 km, day in day out, rain or shine, winter and summer. I rode an ST1 and now I ride the old ST1X. The difference with the new ST3 slightly smaller wheels and cheaper accessories and not as streamlined. But I like to a drive more real bike and when I went from ST1 to ST1X the choice was not difficult and a lot cheaper. The thing that is worrying me is safety when driving full speed. When doing an emergency stop the bike will behave similarly to a motorbike with a blocking rear wheel. That is that you will take a nosedive. It will go on its side. It happened to me twice and it is quite an experience and got hurt both times. It does not really matter if the road is dry or wettish. The solution would be ABS. Right now only RM has a bike with ABS. Another thing is the stability driving really slow. And taking a sharp turn. The front-wheel like to run to sharp and you go on your side too. Both a matter of experience, once you know. I am a bit disappointed in the battery technology too. Biking with full support ( level 3 and nr 11 gearwheel with a little headwind can drain you battery so you have to switch to the 13 or even 15 to have less pressure on the axel or go back to level 2. Level 1 is useless, then I rather drive my mountain bike. In ideal circumstances, I just get under 70 km in the summertime and using 13 or 15 gearwheel with my 814 Kwh battery that is 2 years old now. I do a distance of 40 km full speed in the wintertime when there is no wind I do 50 km. I would like to be able to drive full power all the time outside urban areas and get a distance between 60-80 km. However I am lucky with my drivetrains, they are quite vulnerable. So I had hoped Stromer would do something about that, like a belt with a Pinion gear system or something like that. They did not yet. Also, I am not that interested in the app and the Tesla-like features. That is too much aimed at the US market, but a Stromer is not a micro Tesla. So I’ll be very curious about what you think when you have finished 30 K km. Drive safely. Tom Poederbach
Dear Tom, I get your remark on rides a more real bike. I have that feeling too; it's more space age feeling than being a biker. But maybe you and me are not the real target group ;-). Safety... My first job was being a test rider for a motorcycle magazine so I see your point. It's a lot got to do on experience and training. And maybe that should be with a drivers license. I do not agree totally on what you write here because stopping without a story or worse is easily done with experience. But mistakes can be made... ABS might solve this in a panic brake situation. Also... motorbikes are a bit more heavy and that helps. Thanks also for the info on battery life and range. Pinion and belt... wonderful! And I'll never finish 30K: the bike went back to Stromer that I borrowed it from. Yes, I like E + S-bikes but the two wheel love is at mountainbiking and .... motorbikes. Next to being outdoors I am a petrolhead. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe Tom! Cheers, Gijs
Thanks for a critical extra review, this helps! Not only being positive, also mentioning improvement points. (I am doing research for buying my first speed pedelec.)
In the U.K. local roads and country lanes are very poorly maintained with damaged and uneven surfaces a common complaint. To invest in such a premium speed pedelec I would EXPECT to have full and adjustable suspension to cope with a variety of surfaces (not just a front suspension). At a slightly lower price point Riese & Müller have the Superdelite featuring as standard full suspension and an upgrade to Fox as an option. I think makers need to be aware of customer preference for customisation when at higher price levels.
Hi Steven, Maybe because they are Swiss and Germany and Benelux are main markets.... They all have usably great tarmac. Maybe also send a mail to UK- government about lack of maintenance ;-) No just kidding, I do understand your thing and I like the R&M way. And I love the non maintenance roads it the UK too... Much more exciting to ride on. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Gijs
Hi Steven, I ride the ST3 in Berlin and I agree, that roads are mostly better than in the UK (I spend all my holidays there 😬). But I believe you're missing something crucial here. Riding at 45 km/h you don't want to be on any road dented with pitholes, regardless of you have a suspension or not. No suspension would be fast enough to compensate the bumps and holes and would make the behaviour of the bike quite unpredictable and harder to handle. I made a concession and got myself a suspended seatpost, which is perfect for smaller bumps in the city. The comparison with the R&M does not work for me. I actually tested exactly that model before I decided to go for the Stromer. The R&M is accelerating much slower and it's hard to reach and keep top speed. Exactly the opposite is the case with the Stromer - it just blows you away and it's hard to stop smiling after your first ride. It's a question of what you prefer - comfort or agility. About the pricing. There is no rational reasoning why this bike costs as much as it does. Also, there are many problems, especially with the electrical parts of the bike (you can read about them in the Swiss Stromer forum) But yet, the fun overrides all that - as long as it does work, the Stromer is amazing. Knock on wood!
Beste Gijs, ik heb zelf een ST1X. Ja een voorganger model 2019. Maar zeg nou zelf; het is i.d. de Tesla onder de E-Bikes. Goeie tips en zeker waarin je inzoomed op de details. Thanks,
Excellent video, I have not yet decided if I should by a Stromer or a R & M Supercharger 2 I am Swiss living in USA and I would like to buy a Swiss product as I know their quality is top notch. I hope Stromer will make a few necessary changes which you have noted in your video. Again excellent video.
Hi Martin, Think about Trek too. They make good E-bikes and speed-pedelecs also. And thank you for the thumps up😀. Enjoy the outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Ok, I just ordered the ST3 because of your review. What make/model bar end mirror did you install on that bike? I want to make sure that the one I order will be compatible with my ST3.
Sorry for my late reply. Mirror.... I would not know. It came with the bike and after the review It went back. Did you ask Stromer? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
I bought myself strommer bike beautiful nice comfortable riding bike I bought it because I had to cause someone stole my Infinite plus bike that's also E bike but not like Stromer and what's best thing about Stromer bike is it can't be stolen by any of you thieves if ur reading this yh and again nice comfortable e bike if you can afford it it's a bit expensive cost me $5,000 the one got stolen costed $3,200 and nice video keep up ,😁
Another great critique from you, thanks. Having just watched your Koga video, I feel that you’ve rated this Stromer too highly at 8.2. At that it seems to be in the highly recommended, go and buy it class, whereas you identified so many reasons that seriously need changing. At bike at that price should be near perfect. I suggest the rating should be between 4.5 and 6.0. Look forward to many more reviews.
Hi Gary, Thanks for the positive words ;-)! I don't feel the Stromer is rated too high and I do think that 4.5 - 6.0 would not do justice to the bike: it is a very nice bike to ride and well build. The main critic is all about screen position and the app and that is why I don't rate it higher. That it is not a bike for gravel or dirt roads... I can not blame this on Stromer since they don't build the bike for this reason. I would like it to be more comfy on these roads but I would also like it to be only 10 kg.... Stromer was also very communicative to me and willing to listen to my thoughts and know that Stromer is working on improvements on the suggestions that I made. Not every manufacturer is like this... One bike manufacturer even wanted me to remove a review because of my criticism. Hell no! I hope my answer explains my rating a bit more; I can make a two hour video on a e-bike but if that is wise... Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Gijs
Hi, I'm about to purchase an ST3 but I live in a city with several rolling hills and concerned that with only 44nm of torque the bike may struggle. I don't want to make a $9K mistake so I'd welcome your thoughts.
Well.... I could say it is designed and made in Switserland.... they have more mountains than we do in The Netherlands. I had some good comments from people using it in a more hilly environment. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews Yet I heard that Stromer explicitly targets the Dutch market and not the Swiss market. That they even sell most of their pedelecs in the Benelux (Holland, Belgium Luxembourg). Perhaps they did not optimise for Swiss steep mountain climbing, but for flatter surfaces? What do you know about this?
Is the bike also good for hilly areas? Secondly, can you ride it on gravel paths without any problems? Am seriously thinking of getting this exact model so would appreciate a quick answer. I'm not a commuter. Thank you 🙏
Hi Robert, Hilly should be no problem but think about battery life. Gravel roads... it depends on the kind of gravel. Forest roads are no problem but the ST3 is not a mountainbike, it's more like a Tesla 😉. I am finishing a review of the Pinion ST3 with ABS today and I am shooting the video later this week. You may want to wait for the result... Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews this pinion version with ABS exactly the one I looked at on Saturday. I don’t want to use it off-road exactly, forest roads etc would be good however. My alternative, at least at the moment, is the Riese & Müller Super Delight. Thanks for your prompt reply. Will subscribe 🙏
A great review and very helpful for estimating if the high price of a Stromer bike is warranted. One question I do have - does Stromer have any anti-theft systems in the ST3 and if yes, did you check how they work, like the GPS tracking? Bikes get stolen so much, that a speed pedelec is not even covered under normal home insurance here in Finland like other bikes. Any chance to have the bike with an alarm system?
Martti, Thanks for the nice words! I try hard so spread the word ;-). Good question! Yes, you can track it by smartphone but I would expect that thieves know this.... I'll forward your question to Stromer and maybe they know more. I'll get back to you when I have their answer. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Martti, This is what I got: "Yes we have a anti-theft protection. Stromer was one of the first with an own and fix installed system, since ST2 2014 was launched, since the models with the integrated OMNI (Display). If the theft mode is triggered, the engine blocks and the owner is informed of the unauthorized use via app. In the theft mode, the position of the Bike is also transmitted at short intervals. In addition to localisation, an acoustic alarm can also be activated in the settings. The alarm starts when the bike is moved over a short distance in locked mode. In concrete terms, this means that the horn starts honking.The system works worldwide.The end customer also has no additional costs over the entire "lifetime" of the bike." Hope this helps! Cheers, Gijs More here: Link: www.stromerbike.com/nl/swiss-technology#Connectiviteit
Gijs, fantastische uitleg zeg. Petje af. Dit is echt een meerwaarde over deze fiets. Kleine tekortkomingen. Haarscherp gezien. Ga zo door. Kun je de volgende keer de Riese muller e speed behandelen?
Beste Eef, Nou... de eerste wordt de maanden geleden beloofde Cannondale Tesoro en daarna... Ik denk weer eens Santos. Maar R+M heeft zeker mijn aandacht. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay safe, groet, Gijs
What a great review. Thanks for that. Do you by any chance know if Stromer has picked up on any of your suggestions? Like the possibility to link map/route with battery distance? Also - how was it to ride the ST3 in rainy conditions. Does one get a lot of dirt from the wheels?
Dear A.B., Thank you for the compliments! Riding in the rain was fine but the fenders are not as long as the ones on the Koga I tested. A mudflap would proof useful. Did Stromer pick up on my suggestions... Not that I know of. Sometimes manufacturers do but the more expensive stuff gets, the harder they seem to be willing to change anything. Don't know why this is. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Outdoorguru Ok - that was what i figured. As l plan to commute also on rainy days, l will have to see what l can do about the fenders. Thanks for your thorough reply 🙏🤗
een spijtig niet vernoemd detail is het voorspatbord dat ontoereikend is in regenweer, dan heb je namelijk een verlenging nodig zowel aan de voor- als aan de onderkant. Doe je dit niet dan zal je steeds natte schoenen hebben bij rijden door plassen of in regenweer! Voor een fiets van deze prijsklasse vind ik dit een spijtige zaak. Deze verleningen zijn wel te verkrijgen via het internet maar niet bij Stomer! Dit spatbord is op alle Stromers hetzelfde, ja zelfs op de ST-5, een gemiste kans. Hopelijk dat ze hier iets aan doen in de toekomst, voor de rest een zeer fijne speed pedelec! Groetjes, Diederik Bruyninckx
Hi - Iam a electric bike enthusiast like you but I live in Melbourne (Australia)...I watched a review of the Stromer ST1 when it was first release some years ago & was impressed with the engineering, attention to detail & battery options (This is to be expected from a Swiss maker)...I think what your explaination in relation to using pedal assist modes is very important as well as how ambient temp effects battering charge capacity...In reality - the overall range you get during your journey will depend on the assist level as well as wind & temperature conditions...Does Stromer have an option of a fast charger?
Dear Alex, Thank you for sharing your perspective. Yes, wind and temperature influence batteries in general but on the Stromer is has a more noticeable effect when it turns to 0 power ;-). The charger that I use is the fast charger if I look at the Stromer website but I don't think this is the same as fast charging what you refer too. Cheers, Gijs
Hallo Gijs. Allereerst bedankt voor het delen van je gedetailleerde ervaring. Is er een speed pedelec die je beter vindt dan de ST3? Of is dit inderdaad de beste die er te krijgen 🤔 kopen is?
Hoi, ik snap niet waarom ik je reactie pas nu zie, maar goed.... Nou... de ST3 is zeker niet de enige en ik was nogal weg van een Trek een tijdje terug. Is nooit een uitgebreide review geworden omdat Trek niet thuis geeft. Woon-werk verkeer of puur vakantie? Gr Gijs
Outdoorguru Snap dat je het niet gezien hebt. Teveel met outdoor leven bezig😉. Ik zal het voornamelijk inzetten voor woon werk verkeer. Daar ik je video zeer uitgebreid vindt, hecht ik waarde aan jouw advies. Fijne week.
@@DEA-vy4bh Ik heb er veel meer niet gezien, opeens stromen de meldingen binnen vanuit UA-cam... systeem hick-up denk ik. Kijk echt even naar de Trek Super Commuter Plus... is een stuk goedkoper.
Hoi hoi🤓. Daar ben ik weer. Vandaag naar Speedpedelec winkel geweest en zag daar de Klever X speed Pinion gezien. Hele interessante SP. Al weleens op die gereden?
I was going to buy a ST2 but on two of my five test drives i hit what I thought were decent bumps (on purpose as I had the suspension fork), and the bike powered down. The first time this happened I told the dealer and they were surprised, and then when it happened again I decided this was too much of a safety issue for me. I’m curious if this has happened to anyone else.
Basically the bike just shut off. When I hit a bump I could hear a loud “click” (both times), and I looked down and the bike was shut off. So I had to push the power button to turn it back on again while I was riding, the distraction of which causes a safety issue in my mind. My guess is when you hit a bump the battery momentarily becomes disconnected from the magnetic connectors, which breaks the power circuit/supply and shuts the power off.
Such a long and impressive review! You could really see the hard work behind it, especially how much knowledge you presented! Amazing outdoor footage also. In case you want to tell me, I would be interested in how many days or weeks of work you invested to do the video?
Dear Simon, Thank you for the thumbs up! Yes this is hard work and there is more to it than you see in the video. I test the bike outdoors when I have time and then I take the GoPro with me. Shooting the beauty shots outside was about a half day with help from my wive with the car. The shoot in my livingroom took 7.5 hours, there is footage for 60 min easy ;-). The edit takes about the same time. Shooting indoors was a necessary since the weather outside did not allow me to shoot outside. I don't want to risk my gear; I buy al the stuff myself and I can't afford to lose or damage it. Outside shooting is so much more easy with a bit fair weather. Year name reveals you are Dutch... or from Belgium ;-) and you know hom bad the weather has been since early December 2019. I did a piece of video on the test circumstances too but did not put it in the edit. Maybe I should make a separate one on how I work.... Time investment is too big for this kind of video's but I am learning a lot in the process on video and editing and that is why I do it and think it is worth the investment. And I love making video's... Hope this answers your question and if you want more background: let me know! Enjoy the outdoors! Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews hey Gijs, thanks for taking the time and answering the question. It's now even more impressive reading how much hard work you invested and I hope you won't get tired of reviewing outdoor products any time soon. You go a long way to review a complex bike like that, so many outdoor videos here on UA-cam just a show an overview of a backpack or a piece of simple gear with no real outdoor testing or expertise. Even if they probably invested some respectable work into it, a video like this can be produced in only a few hours. But your reviews are on a whole different level, as one can see the solid foundation of testing they are based on, so Kudos a 1000 times :) I am German actually, though growing up near the border in Nordrhein-Westfalen, still not speaking more than a few words of Dutch. I remember many bike tours with my dad and my brother in my childhood, where we explored the (actually quite hilly) southern part of Limburg, both in Belgium and the Dutch Limburg. It's quite an amazing part to go with your race bike or your mountain bike and one would be surprised to be challenged by ascents like the Kauberg in Valkenburg or the Eyerbosweg near Gulpen, which you wouldn't expect in a flat country like the Netherlands. One more question: is it not potentially dangerous to go 45km on a regular bike lane, with slower bikers or pedestrians around? Do you need a special licence for that or at least keep your driver's licence with you?
@@simonjanssen5326 Simon, I never would have guessed ;-). Nice to know! I try to be different than all the unboxing people or review only behind a desk ones. But in the outdoors there are more descent reviewers. How do I get more subscribers... The big secret. We have some nice 'mountains'. Sharing bike lanes is a matter of adapting and of law. And taking care of other people. I ride fast when there is no one there, I drive slow with pedestrians and elderly people on e-bikes. 45 on the road and sharing the road with cars is sometimes scary. The speed-pedelac requires a new road lay-out to be very successful in my opinion. Yes, you need a license but I differs from age and if you already have a car or moped license. Then insurance and a 45 km/h helmet. Not everybody knows this last one. Helmets are helmets... But... let me be clear on this: I like e0-bikes and speed-pedelacs but a normal travel bike is my favorite ;-)
Yes, I can agree on that but I do get the why: no messing about with parts I think. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 😄. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
This is a very nicely produced video , very professional , but lets face it , in the world of e bikes , Stromer is nothing more than an over priced presitige bike . it is a Reise & Muller wannabe . all the flash and no substance . The first mistake they made was using a hub motor in the steepest country in Europe . Hub motors even at high wattage cannot compete with geared mid drives . Mid drives have much higher Nms than a hub drive even with lower wattage . it is the torque or Nms that enable a bike to climb hills and carry heavy loads . Mid drive are also more efficient so the range will be better and the battery will last longer . don't get me wrong, Stromer is a very well built bike and lovely to look at but when it comes to practicality they fall short .
Hi Sirios, I agree on a lot of things but not on the R&M wannabe. Stromer is maybe a Tesla and that would make the R&M's I know more of a Land Rover 😉 Maybe a silly question: were do you live and what bike do you have? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
i live in Schwarzwald near bonndorf . i have a Cube with a Bosch gen 3 motor .Shimano gears and brakes rock shock fork . it has 75 Nm and is more than enough to get up the steepest hills with ease . I'm surprised that Stromer would opt for a hub motor when their engineers know about the things i mentioned . I suspect they are trying to save money on production costs by eliminating the more expensive mid drives , no front fork , there own brakes etc.
@@siriosstar4789 However, what I hear is that R&M has difficulty reaching 45 km/h, where Stromer achieves that easily, at least on flat surfaces, and even with a headwind. Most speed-pedelecs on the Dutch market with midmotor, including the R&M, struggle with reaching 45 km/h cruising speed. I was surprised to learn this, because to me it seems simply a matter of engineering, that is: a good controller and sufficient power output to achieve the same top speeds with a mid-motor. I prefer a midmotor, I have one on my e-bike as well - but I don't want to buy an expensive pedelec that can't even reach 45 km/h with a bit of headwind. What are your experiences? (FYI I live in the Netherlands.)
Sold mine after 7K km .... I am 172 in hight and had size M. It's heavy ... it's rather plump driving it in the city. Ok on fast long tracks. In the city ... not. Without seat suspension it kills ur back. My wufe has St1x much better choice for me.
Hi Elvis, Sorry to read the bike did not work out for you. I don't share your experience. It is heavy in relation to a normal bike, yes, but not to many other likewise bikes. It is a commuter bike so for long distances travel and not for the nimble city purpose. For this I would not advice a bike like this one. I do understand that you like your wives bike better: the frame geometry is a bit less sporty and a bit more agile and that would work in a city better. Did you now buy one for yourself too? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Hallo Gijs, meneer Löning (: Goede review. Ik heb een linkje hiernaar geplaatst op de website www.speedpedelec-evolutie.nl. Wees gerust geen enkele speedpedelec is perfect, maar de evolutie is er.... Groeten
My brain can't phantom how a bike like this can cost half of a cheap new car. It's nice but it's not for the ordinary person with those completely insane prices
Hi Joakim, I can since it is not half the price of an electric car or a hybrid. But... expensive it is for sure. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Try to use the panniers as mounted in your video. You will rip off the paint from the frame within shortest time. The carrier and its overall construction is crap, fullstop.
Hi Michael, I have the habit of putting tape on carriers of bikes that I test so they go back not to scruffy. Paint on panniers can be a problem, I agree. Do you own a ST3? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Hoe kun je beweren dat je 65-70 km kan rijden in support mode 3 ? Ik rij dagelijks met ST5 45km (enkel) en ja het bevalt me prima, maar na 45 km tegenwind is de batterij wel 'op' hoor!!! Hoe jullie dan aan 65, laat staan 70 km komen, weet ik niet!!! Ja met rugwind haal je dat wel! Leg dat dan zo uit aan de kijkers! Objectief zijn moet bij deze reviews, anders zijn ze waardeloos!
Beste Koen, In de eerste plaats: dank voor je reactie! In de tweede plaats: je klinkt boos. Ik heb gewoon op de Stromer gefietst en herhaaldelijk de 'beweerde' - ik noem het gemeten - afstand gehaald in 3. Heb ik er een? Nee, dat niet dus mijn ervaring is wel gebaseerd op die korte periode met een nieuwe fiets en accu. Hoe jou ervaring anders kan zijn weet ik niet. Ik ben licht, klein, trap zelf hard mee, misschien dat het uit maakt. Ik ben objectief: ik wordt niet betaald voor de reviews, sterker: ze kosten me geld en ik hoop dat dat ooit anders wordt - en leg alles uit wat ik kan. Het zou je passen me op een gewone manier te benaderen en me niet van alles te verwijten. Je bent overigens de enige die zo reageert en ik weet van een paar andere Stromer rijders in bergachtig Zwitserland dat ze mijn ervaringen delen. Geniet van het fietsen en pas op jezelf! Groet, Gijs
48 km enkel kan met de grootste accu, maar het is krap. In de winter, op een koude dag en bij zware tegenwind zal je, ook in het eerste jaar de accu al leegrijden. Dit bij maximale ondersteuning. In de daarop volgende jaren zul je regelmatig terug moeten in ondersteuning om de afstand te overbruggen. Terug in ondersteuning betekent iets minder snel rijden, zeg 5 km per uur. Suc6 met je afweging. Peter.
Rij elke dag 40 Km enkel. Dendermonde-Gent. Vandaag bij slecht weer 983w batterij in stand 2 helemaal leeg gereden. (rukwinden!!!) Ik denk dat 48 km mogelijk is maar afhankelijk van weersomstandigheden. Het hangt natuurlijk ook af hoe lang je er over wilt doen natuurlijk. Als je kan zou ik zeker testrijden! Veel succes bij de keuze.
Met kou en/of flinke tegenwind, fietstassen EN constant 45km/u willen blijven rijden zonder in aero houding te willen/kunnen zitten zul je wat batterij management moeten toepassen/proberen. Vooral als de batterij wat ouder wordt. De route, veel stad, open vlakte, slecht wegdek heeft ook wat %tjes invloed. En natuurlijk een tweede lader (geen reislader die heeft zeker een werkdag nodig om een lege accu vol te proppen)
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews here is a clue, take the tyres off the bike and take a 20km normal road ride on just the rims. Then borrow a full suspension mountain bike do the same 20km ride and put a go pro to monitor the front and rear suspension movement. you will notice that the suspension moves much more that the height of the stromer tyres. the difference its what your body frame has to experience as aches and pain. Electric bikes no longer have to follow the French racing bike design rules.
@@tomquimby8669 That is why I don't get... Did you ride the Stromer or any bike with big balloon tires? Or a hardtail mountainbike. Suspension can be good and helpful but also heave and makes stuff more expensive. On normal roads the Stromer does not need suspension. Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews I find the blindness of your argument amusing. Just think the automotive industry would save thousands on each car if they just relied on the balloon tyres for suspension. The motorcycle industry too. they Also ride on normal roads. Oddly they add suspension. As for expensive - Stromer!! do you really want to discuss the price?
@@tomquimby8669 Dear Tom, Bikes are not cars neither motorbikes. I started my career in testing being a motorcycle tester and rode most type of bikes for about 10 years. There is a bit more to adding suspension than just comfort to the person. Road contact is one; keeping the tire on the tarmac. There is a huge weight and speed difference with bikes. A Stromer is - if you like - more like a racecar or racebike. Racecars and bikes have suspension but very stiff. For a reason. I am not going to go any deeper because I have the feeling that we will not agree with each other and that is fine; we are all entitled to our own opinion and that is how I like it. So, I respect you thoughts. Happy biking (I think we share that love)! Gijs PS The Stromer price... Agree!
✅I made a new video of the Stromer ST3 but this one is with 9-Speed Pinion gears and ABS. Check it here ➡ ua-cam.com/video/TGGA4CFAiIo/v-deo.html
First of all, great review - thanks for taking the time to produce this.
At 31kg, it's an absolute beast of a bike, and as a speed pedelec, it'll essentially be classed as a moped. I don't know about Nederland, but in Scotland that means you'll need to jump through several hoops to get riding - certificate of conformity (168/2013/EU regulations), vehicle import pack, driver’s license, V5 registration document, vehicle tax (although it’s probably exempt), get a license plate (kentekenplaat) and get a kit-marked motorcycle helmet (normal cycling helmet isn’t sufficient). The license aspect is also interesting - if you got your license before 2001, you’re allowed to ride a moped without any further training (commonly known as “grandfather’s rights”) but if you got it after 2001 then you have to undertake a motorcycle CBT course. All this before you even get out on the road. Phew!
To compound the above administrative misery (and although this again may vary from country to country) I’m not sure you can use traditional cycle paths, and if you get caught speeding (even if this means free-wheeling down a hill which has a 20mph limit, say) you can, in theory, get penalty points on your drivers license as you would in a car. I’d also be wary about leaving it anywhere (even locked) for a few moments.
I currently use an Electric Brompton for commuting (60km round trip) and although it’s slower and the battery capacity is far below that of the Stromer, the versatility is exceptional and it’s still really good fun to ride. Plus, I can fold it up and it can sit under my desk at work.
Thanks Del for taking the time for such a comment ;-). Yes, legal we have a lot of regulations too. We are one country in that respect. I could do a video on that for an hour but I don't have that ambition. Speeding... in my village I am allowed 30 km/h so that was a thing to think about. Speedcamera's... that would be funny! We get more and more speed-pedelec dedicated cycleways around here. Bromton = smart! Cheers, Gijs
As a Stromer ST1x buyer in the Netherlands, you have the choice to do it yourself. But I paid the dealer / shop to handle it for me. That means that when the bike got delivered, it had the license plate on it and I received the vehicle-paper-work in the mail.
If you do it yourself, you get an import classification from the shop. You request (from home) a license plate for the bike, and they require you to include that document and a few pictures and you have to 'agree' that you didn't make any modifications... and you'll receive the license plate in the mail after a one-time payment.
I don't pay yearly road tax, it's a one time thing. Like I said, I paid around 150 euros to have the shop handle it all (including the one time registration fee).
Since you're legally a moped, you are required to be insured, and yes that costs money. But for me it's around 120,- euros per year for _full_ theft + damage coverage and pickup service in case of trouble. Just the traffic insurance can be had way less... but it is required.
I had to deliver a copy of my driver's license in the shop... I actually have no clue what you require to ride a moped in the Netherlands. Maybe there is a special drivers-license for mopeds you can get if you don't want more, but since I had my regular driver's license (cars) I'm allowed to just hop on mopeds and s-pedelecs.
S-pedelecs rules are different in all countries. The rules about where you're allowed to ride and not are different between Belgium and Netherlands for instance.
We dutchies see it as a negative aspect that we have to drive 'in between the cars' with mopeds, and on a s-pedelec instead of a real moped you feel more vulnerable. But that is because we are used to segregated bike paths _everywhere_ and the moment we have to drive between the cars we think 'oh my god'. In other countries (UK) it's very special to have a dedicated bike path, they are used to riding between the other road users... so it's no different there.
@17:30 I can do 20kph with the engine completely turned off on my ST1x, but it's no fun. Mode1 (it's eco mode) it is more a 'bring me home' mode when the battery is lower than you hoped for :P. I can _easily_ do 27khp 30khps in mode 1, and (also the bigger blue battery) I can do 200km even with bad weather. But than you're more touring. And officially you still have to go on moped-paths or roads, instead of bike-paths. No thanks. S-pedelecs are not meant for that :).
If I suddenly have 5% left and I'm afraid I can't bring it home. I can ride it to 0 and then I'm in 'no-fun no assistance at all' mode. That's the moment to use mode1. It'll happily ride like a 'normal' e-bike with suddenly 30+ km left. So, if you're in doubt that you have enough juice to get you home... switch it to mode1 before it completely drains out. It's much nicer to ride it like this :P.
I'm doing 2x 30km each day and I have a charger at work (and at home). One morning I get at work with 55% percent left, but other morning I get there with 40% left. I'm a heavy guy, so the bike is working hard. And then it's very affected by wind. So I'm using _between_ 40% and 60% to go 30km as fast as possible (this was in the same winter as your review :P). So I always charge in between. Also saves the battery a bit more to not let it drain completely every time. The new charger is completely silent and very light. Still takes around 5 hours to charge a completely empty blue battery
What's bad about Stromer? They are expensive, there are more modern s-pedelecs with belts and seamless shifting (one big advantage of Stromer _used_ to be less maintenance because of the rear-wheel motor. A modern belt-driven mid-engine is just as good if not better). But they seem to have growing pains in building basic bikes. The paint chips off in places _in weeks_ after getting a 5000+ euro bike, the system they mean to put up the license plate is very easily broken. The rear-fender is part of the bike-rack, and the screws can wiggle loose and have enough room to lower a bit over a centimeter, causing the fender to drop on the wheel at 45kph... And I had multiple electronic failures because moisture got in places where it shouldn't... which is just plain bad for an expensive bike made for commuting.
So my 5000+ bike already has paint missing on multiple places, a non-working taillight because the license-plate got loose, and the underside is completely covered with isolating-tape to keep the moisture out, causing the horn to be almost silent (it has no air to work with).
So it's not a 'pearl' to keep nice looking for resell... it's a workhorse that will show it marks... which I'm Ok with :). Wind, rain or storm, it still beats going with the train every single day for me. Car is no option in Amsterdam (parking is crazy expensive every day).
Thanks!
Hi Derek, Hi, I am sorry for my late response but I was on holiday and took my time. THANK YOU 😊! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
I'm from Switzerland and a ST3 is mine. And i love it! :) Your suggestions for improvement are really good! *two thumb up*
Excellent review! I enjoyed your great work here :)
Thank you! Maybe share it on your channels? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Ciao Gijs
It's a good and refined bike but the price is stratospheric. So im doing DIY bike for Quarter of the price with the similar performance.
Hi, I'm from Belgium , super video, the best test I have seen so far, after a few weeks I get the ST3 delivered with winter tires. Thanks a lot.
Hi Guy, Thank you for the compliments. Enjoy the bike, the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Heel interessant om jouw kijk op een speedpedelec te zien.
Inderdaad, met hogere snelheid gaat het verbruik per KM ook omhoog, de watthours vliegen je accu uit.
Een e-bike is eigenlijk 4 fietsen in een enkele fiets. Met de ondersteuningsschakelaar kies je tussen die 4 fietsen,
Stand 0 : een zware fiets waarop je flink moet inspannen, ideaal om zwaar op te trainen zonder hard te gaan.
Stand 1 : een normale fiets, alsof er geen motor en accu aan hangt
Stand 2 : een lichte fiets die je het gevoel hebt goed in vorm te zijn
Stand 3 : een magische fiets die je hard laat gaan zonder veel te zweten.
Voor de eerste drie standen geldt dat je er voor minder geld een betere fiets voor kan kopen.
Alleen stand 3 geeft iets wat een andere fiets niet kan.
De meerwaarde is echter dat je op elk moment kunt schakelen tussen die 4 standen, dat je niet een andere fiets uit het schuurtje hoeft te halen.
Een bekend scenario is ergens (werk, feest, verjaardag, winkel) naar toe gaan met ondersteuning om niet bezweten aan te komen en dan op de terugweg de ondersteuning weglaten om de spieren aan het werk te zetten en jezelf te doen zweten. Wordt het te zwaar en krijg je kramp kan je motor altijd nog aan om je thuis te brengen.
Tijdens een tourtocht kan je de motor gebruiken als je merkt dat je niet op eigen kracht op tijd op je bestemming zult aankomen.
Leuke toevoeging Hans! dank voor het delen. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Very good review and very complete. I am in Canada and have a Stromer ST3LE and I will replace my car with this bike. I have been using my ST3 all winter long with spiked tires and it’s a monster, what a bike! I can’t wait to try the summer tires!
Dear Eric, Would love to try the bike with spikes ;-)))) Thanks for the compliment! Gijs
by far the most detailed review of ST3! Thank you
Thank you Rasul 🙏. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
i have bosch, bafang,and shimano. i dont say this easily,but nothing compares to stromer,even on hills. price is high,but justified. this is a premium product and quality and reliability reflects this premium over cheaper alternatives.
I was under the impression of bosch being top of the line due to it being in Riese & Müller bikes. interesting you say this
Hartelijk dank voor deze ongelooflijk gedetailleerde review Gijs! Ik hoop dat je meer views krijgt, gezien je veel moeite in deze videos stopt en dat zeker te merken is. Topvideo!
I've been driving an ST3 for 2 years and do 50k to work every day. I am very satisfied with it. It goes very fast, it has a lot of power and has a lot of torque when accelerating. You drive with ease even up a road with a medium slope. Only on really steep roads the rear wheel drive is not suitable. Otherwise, the drive is the perfect choice. The chain wear is much lower and power transmission better. With the Stromer I overtake with ease any other S-pedelec. The frame is very stiff, the tires wide and very grippy. It rides very safely and already feels a bit like a motorcycle. I really like the tidy, sporty design. Yes it is expensive but it plays on another league. If it were a car it would probably be a BMW and even these have their added value. Innovation, technology, design, quality and speed has its price. I would say try it and it will convince you to buy it or keep dreaming about it.
Thanks for the nice comment and sharing your thoughts and experience! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Just found out about this bike and was looking for some information on it. Great review and I like that you covered all bases. Thank you
Glad it was helpful and thanks for the nice comment! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews 🙂👌
Great review. I own the ST3 AE myself, so I have the same battery as you. My experience of the maximum range at top speed is the same as yours. Regarding going for long range, based on my experience, it's not really the level of support that you choose but more the speed. If I ride together with my wife, we are limited to max 25 km/h as she uses a regular pedelec. In that scenario the battery range of the St3 is over 200 km on a full charge, even in mode 3. Well very theoretic, as it was built to go fast :-) I think you get this feeling as the bike measures the torque and not the crank speed. So if you are riding slow, there's not that much support in any gear you are riding. Even in support mode 3 I have the impression that the support is poor at that moderate speed. However once you press down the pedals a bit harder, the bikes gets alive and really starts to move. I love riding it.
Thanks for sharing and the compliment ;-). Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
A very review with just the right balance of feature reviews and riding outdoors. Personally, I would have liked to have seen the suspension forks and seatpost demonstrated, but I appreciate that wasn't the loan bike you had. I would also be interested to see the pinion gear system reviewed - perhaps in the future? 😀
Hi Peter, Thanks for the nice remarks 😀. Suspension.... yeah but I don't like suspension on bikes that I use also as a trekking bike. Mountainbikes different story. Pinion.... ABS? Just shot that video yesterday on the Stromer ST3 with Pinion and ABS, but it takes time to edit so give me a week or so. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Zeer mooie en duidelijke revieuw😊
Dank Franky! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Super review..nu hopelijk ook nog de str3 pinion review
Hoi Pieter, Ja, dat zou leuk zijn. Ik heb het een paar keer gevraagd maar Stromer geeft niet meer thuis. Jammer🙁. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews dank voor antwoord...nu kwam ik ook de opium tegen...ziet uit als stromer..ze zeggen betrouwbaarder tr zijn...en helemaal voor mij ideaal..een display van FIT op het stuur...je had het in in je review ook over...dus ben benieuwd naar deze nieuwe fiets
I put a kinekt 2.1 seat post along with a brooks b17 on my st1x...smooths out all the buuuumps! Thanks for all your great reviews!!!
Leuke review.
Wat betreft de stijfheid van de fiets is er ook een fijne verende zadelpen beschikbaar.
Hoi Peter, Dankje! De andere nieuwere review ook gezien? ua-cam.com/video/TGGA4CFAiIo/v-deo.html Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
You have a good bike sir. Enjoy it i drove it yesterday as a testdrive. Fantastic bike. Cheers from Holland
Hi BG, Well it is not mine... It was on loan for a month ;-). Cheers from Holland too!
Nice videos taken in the surroundings of my hometown Herveld (NL), with the steep climb of the Grebbeberg and the Tacitus bridge over the river Waal. Hope to meet some day at Stromer dealer Vietz in Herveld.
I am sure that will happen since I don't have a reason to be there....
Interesting review of the Stromer ST3. Basically, I agree with all your remarks, about the things that could be improved. That brings me to the core of the Stromer bike concept, they did not really improve the bike they only made it more luxurious. I could not find significant improvement really. Hence the fact I did not buy an ST3 or the ST5, the last one way overpriced. Besides, it is becoming more and more a moped and less a bike soon we will have no pedals any more. Do I have a right to speak? I think so. I ride Stromers for almost 4 years now and biked a total distance of 43.000 km with an average speed of 30 km, day in day out, rain or shine, winter and summer. I rode an ST1 and now I ride the old ST1X. The difference with the new ST3 slightly smaller wheels and cheaper accessories and not as streamlined. But I like to a drive more real bike and when I went from ST1 to ST1X the choice was not difficult and a lot cheaper. The thing that is worrying me is safety when driving full speed. When doing an emergency stop the bike will behave similarly to a motorbike with a blocking rear wheel. That is that you will take a nosedive. It will go on its side. It happened to me twice and it is quite an experience and got hurt both times. It does not really matter if the road is dry or wettish. The solution would be ABS. Right now only RM has a bike with ABS. Another thing is the stability driving really slow. And taking a sharp turn. The front-wheel like to run to sharp and you go on your side too. Both a matter of experience, once you know. I am a bit disappointed in the battery technology too. Biking with full support ( level 3 and nr 11 gearwheel with a little headwind can drain you battery so you have to switch to the 13 or even 15 to have less pressure on the axel or go back to level 2. Level 1 is useless, then I rather drive my mountain bike. In ideal circumstances, I just get under 70 km in the summertime and using 13 or 15 gearwheel with my 814 Kwh battery that is 2 years old now. I do a distance of 40 km full speed in the wintertime when there is no wind I do 50 km. I would like to be able to drive full power all the time outside urban areas and get a distance between 60-80 km. However I am lucky with my drivetrains, they are quite vulnerable. So I had hoped Stromer would do something about that, like a belt with a Pinion gear system or something like that. They did not yet. Also, I am not that interested in the app and the Tesla-like features. That is too much aimed at the US market, but a Stromer is not a micro Tesla. So I’ll be very curious about what you think when you have finished 30 K km.
Drive safely.
Tom Poederbach
Tom, thanks for your very complete comment. I’ll get back to you with a more complete answer tommorow😄. Cheers, Gijs
Dear Tom, I get your remark on rides a more real bike. I have that feeling too; it's more space age feeling than being a biker. But maybe you and me are not the real target group ;-). Safety... My first job was being a test rider for a motorcycle magazine so I see your point. It's a lot got to do on experience and training. And maybe that should be with a drivers license. I do not agree totally on what you write here because stopping without a story or worse is easily done with experience. But mistakes can be made... ABS might solve this in a panic brake situation. Also... motorbikes are a bit more heavy and that helps. Thanks also for the info on battery life and range. Pinion and belt... wonderful! And I'll never finish 30K: the bike went back to Stromer that I borrowed it from. Yes, I like E + S-bikes but the two wheel love is at mountainbiking and .... motorbikes. Next to being outdoors I am a petrolhead. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe Tom! Cheers, Gijs
Thanks for a critical extra review, this helps! Not only being positive, also mentioning improvement points. (I am doing research for buying my first speed pedelec.)
Very informative. Thank you
You are welcome! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
In the U.K. local roads and country lanes are very poorly maintained with damaged and uneven surfaces a common complaint. To invest in such a premium speed pedelec I would EXPECT to have full and adjustable suspension to cope with a variety of surfaces (not just a front suspension). At a slightly lower price point Riese & Müller have the Superdelite featuring as standard full suspension and an upgrade to Fox as an option. I think makers need to be aware of customer preference for customisation when at higher price levels.
Hi Steven, Maybe because they are Swiss and Germany and Benelux are main markets.... They all have usably great tarmac. Maybe also send a mail to UK- government about lack of maintenance ;-) No just kidding, I do understand your thing and I like the R&M way. And I love the non maintenance roads it the UK too... Much more exciting to ride on. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Gijs
Hi Steven, I ride the ST3 in Berlin and I agree, that roads are mostly better than in the UK (I spend all my holidays there 😬). But I believe you're missing something crucial here. Riding at 45 km/h you don't want to be on any road dented with pitholes, regardless of you have a suspension or not. No suspension would be fast enough to compensate the bumps and holes and would make the behaviour of the bike quite unpredictable and harder to handle. I made a concession and got myself a suspended seatpost, which is perfect for smaller bumps in the city.
The comparison with the R&M does not work for me. I actually tested exactly that model before I decided to go for the Stromer. The R&M is accelerating much slower and it's hard to reach and keep top speed. Exactly the opposite is the case with the Stromer - it just blows you away and it's hard to stop smiling after your first ride. It's a question of what you prefer - comfort or agility.
About the pricing. There is no rational reasoning why this bike costs as much as it does. Also, there are many problems, especially with the electrical parts of the bike (you can read about them in the Swiss Stromer forum) But yet, the fun overrides all that - as long as it does work, the Stromer is amazing. Knock on wood!
Stefan Wimmer I was wondering. Does it make a big differente with the suspensies seatpost in comparison to the standaard seatpost?
Great review , keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Beste Gijs, ik heb zelf een ST1X. Ja een voorganger model 2019. Maar zeg nou zelf; het is i.d. de Tesla onder de E-Bikes. Goeie tips en zeker waarin je inzoomed op de details. Thanks,
very nice review, keep it up!
Thank you 😊. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Excellent video, I have not yet decided if I should by a Stromer or a R & M Supercharger 2 I am Swiss living in USA and I would like to buy a Swiss product as I know their quality is top notch. I hope Stromer will make a few necessary changes which you have noted in your video. Again excellent video.
Hi Martin, Think about Trek too. They make good E-bikes and speed-pedelecs also. And thank you for the thumps up😀. Enjoy the outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Ok, I just ordered the ST3 because of your review. What make/model bar end mirror did you install on that bike? I want to make sure that the one I order will be compatible with my ST3.
Sorry for my late reply. Mirror.... I would not know. It came with the bike and after the review It went back. Did you ask Stromer? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
great review
Hi Sean, Thanks for the nice comment 😊! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Joe spiek lekker engelands! Very nais!
Hi Joe,
Sorry for my late reply but I was on holiday.
Joe ferry funny 🙃👍.
Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe!
Cheers,
Gijs
Goede geloofwaardige review! Die combinatie zie je niet vaak genoeg in reviews vind ik, en daarom apprecieer ik het des te meer.
Dank je Jochen! Ik doe mijn best het zo goed mogelijk te doen. Groet, Gijs
Thanks for your video 👍🏽👏🏽
You are welcome :-).Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
I bought myself strommer bike beautiful nice comfortable riding bike I bought it because I had to cause someone stole my Infinite plus bike that's also E bike but not like Stromer and what's best thing about Stromer bike is it can't be stolen by any of you thieves if ur reading this yh and again nice comfortable e bike if you can afford it it's a bit expensive cost me $5,000 the one got stolen costed $3,200 and nice video keep up ,😁
That is to bad 😰. Was the bike insured and did you get some money back? Thanks for the thumbs up 🙏. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Another great critique from you, thanks. Having just watched your Koga video, I feel that you’ve rated this Stromer too highly at 8.2. At that it seems to be in the highly recommended, go and buy it class, whereas you identified so many reasons that seriously need changing. At bike at that price should be near perfect. I suggest the rating should be between 4.5 and 6.0.
Look forward to many more reviews.
Hi Gary, Thanks for the positive words ;-)! I don't feel the Stromer is rated too high and I do think that 4.5 - 6.0 would not do justice to the bike: it is a very nice bike to ride and well build. The main critic is all about screen position and the app and that is why I don't rate it higher. That it is not a bike for gravel or dirt roads... I can not blame this on Stromer since they don't build the bike for this reason. I would like it to be more comfy on these roads but I would also like it to be only 10 kg.... Stromer was also very communicative to me and willing to listen to my thoughts and know that Stromer is working on improvements on the suggestions that I made. Not every manufacturer is like this... One bike manufacturer even wanted me to remove a review because of my criticism. Hell no! I hope my answer explains my rating a bit more; I can make a two hour video on a e-bike but if that is wise... Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Gijs
Hi, I'm about to purchase an ST3 but I live in a city with several rolling hills and concerned that with only 44nm of torque the bike may struggle. I don't want to make a $9K mistake so I'd welcome your thoughts.
Well.... I could say it is designed and made in Switserland.... they have more mountains than we do in The Netherlands. I had some good comments from people using it in a more hilly environment. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews Yet I heard that Stromer explicitly targets the Dutch market and not the Swiss market. That they even sell most of their pedelecs in the Benelux (Holland, Belgium Luxembourg). Perhaps they did not optimise for Swiss steep mountain climbing, but for flatter surfaces? What do you know about this?
Amazing channel! And a nice review.. Making my mind to send you our new e-bike for review :-)
Thank you Killan. Tell me more on gijs@outdoorguru.com. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Is the bike also good for hilly areas? Secondly, can you ride it on gravel paths without any problems? Am seriously thinking of getting this exact model so would appreciate a quick answer. I'm not a commuter. Thank you 🙏
Hi Robert, Hilly should be no problem but think about battery life. Gravel roads... it depends on the kind of gravel. Forest roads are no problem but the ST3 is not a mountainbike, it's more like a Tesla 😉. I am finishing a review of the Pinion ST3 with ABS today and I am shooting the video later this week. You may want to wait for the result... Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews this pinion version with ABS exactly the one I looked at on Saturday. I don’t want to use it off-road exactly, forest roads etc would be good however. My alternative, at least at the moment, is the Riese & Müller Super Delight. Thanks for your prompt reply. Will subscribe 🙏
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews Looking forward to that 👍
It's a challenge... it too cold to shoot videos at the moment. If you need more info on the bike and your choice just pop me an email.
Interessante video, bedankt!
Graag gedaan! Ben nou bezig met de ST3 Pinion..... Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
A great review and very helpful for estimating if the high price of a Stromer bike is warranted. One question I do have - does Stromer have any anti-theft systems in the ST3 and if yes, did you check how they work, like the GPS tracking? Bikes get stolen so much, that a speed pedelec is not even covered under normal home insurance here in Finland like other bikes. Any chance to have the bike with an alarm system?
Martti, Thanks for the nice words! I try hard so spread the word ;-). Good question! Yes, you can track it by smartphone but I would expect that thieves know this.... I'll forward your question to Stromer and maybe they know more. I'll get back to you when I have their answer. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Martti, This is what I got: "Yes we have a anti-theft protection. Stromer was one of the first with an own and fix installed system, since ST2 2014 was launched, since the models with the integrated OMNI (Display). If the theft mode is triggered, the engine blocks and the owner is informed of the unauthorized use via app.
In the theft mode, the position of the Bike is also transmitted at short intervals.
In addition to localisation, an acoustic alarm can also be activated in the settings. The alarm starts when the bike is moved over a short distance in locked mode. In concrete terms, this means that the horn starts honking.The system works worldwide.The end customer also has no additional costs over the entire "lifetime" of the bike." Hope this helps! Cheers, Gijs
More here: Link: www.stromerbike.com/nl/swiss-technology#Connectiviteit
I totally agree. Support mode 1 is pointless. Im always in 2 unless im going downhill then ill go into 1.
Nicholas, Thanks for the feedback and agreeing :-) Stay Safe! Gijs
Gijs, fantastische uitleg zeg. Petje af. Dit is echt een meerwaarde over deze fiets. Kleine tekortkomingen. Haarscherp gezien. Ga zo door.
Kun je de volgende keer de Riese muller e speed behandelen?
Beste Eef, Nou... de eerste wordt de maanden geleden beloofde Cannondale Tesoro en daarna... Ik denk weer eens Santos. Maar R+M heeft zeker mijn aandacht. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay safe, groet, Gijs
What a great review. Thanks for that. Do you by any chance know if Stromer has picked up on any of your suggestions? Like the possibility to link map/route with battery distance?
Also - how was it to ride the ST3 in rainy conditions. Does one get a lot of dirt from the wheels?
Dear A.B., Thank you for the compliments! Riding in the rain was fine but the fenders are not as long as the ones on the Koga I tested. A mudflap would proof useful. Did Stromer pick up on my suggestions... Not that I know of. Sometimes manufacturers do but the more expensive stuff gets, the harder they seem to be willing to change anything. Don't know why this is. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Outdoorguru Ok - that was what i figured. As l plan to commute also on rainy days, l will have to see what l can do about the fenders. Thanks for your thorough reply 🙏🤗
@@a.b.3168 Google 'sks spoiler' and take your pick ;-)
Please Go on. I enjoy your Video. Thanks
Alexander, No stopping me ;-). Thanks for the compliment! Gijs
een spijtig niet vernoemd detail is het voorspatbord dat ontoereikend is in regenweer, dan heb je namelijk een verlenging nodig zowel aan de voor- als aan de onderkant. Doe je dit niet dan zal je steeds natte schoenen hebben bij rijden door plassen of in regenweer! Voor een fiets van deze prijsklasse vind ik dit een spijtige zaak. Deze verleningen zijn wel te verkrijgen via het internet maar niet bij Stomer!
Dit spatbord is op alle Stromers hetzelfde, ja zelfs op de ST-5, een gemiste kans.
Hopelijk dat ze hier iets aan doen in de toekomst, voor de rest een zeer fijne speed pedelec!
Groetjes,
Diederik Bruyninckx
Hoi Diererik, Daar heb je helemaal gelijk in. Hoort er gewoon op te zitten. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Great Review.
Thank you so much Stephen :-). Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay safe! Cheers, Gijs
Hi - Iam a electric bike enthusiast like you but I live in Melbourne (Australia)...I watched a review of the Stromer ST1 when it was first release some years ago & was impressed with the engineering, attention to detail & battery options (This is to be expected from a Swiss maker)...I think what your explaination in relation to using pedal assist modes is very important as well as how ambient temp effects battering charge capacity...In reality - the overall range you get during your journey will depend on the assist level as well as wind & temperature conditions...Does Stromer have an option of a fast charger?
Dear Alex, Thank you for sharing your perspective. Yes, wind and temperature influence batteries in general but on the Stromer is has a more noticeable effect when it turns to 0 power ;-). The charger that I use is the fast charger if I look at the Stromer website but I don't think this is the same as fast charging what you refer too. Cheers, Gijs
Hallo Gijs. Allereerst bedankt voor het delen van je gedetailleerde ervaring. Is er een speed pedelec die je beter vindt dan de ST3? Of is dit inderdaad de beste die er te krijgen 🤔 kopen is?
Hoi, ik snap niet waarom ik je reactie pas nu zie, maar goed.... Nou... de ST3 is zeker niet de enige en ik was nogal weg van een Trek een tijdje terug. Is nooit een uitgebreide review geworden omdat Trek niet thuis geeft. Woon-werk verkeer of puur vakantie? Gr Gijs
Outdoorguru Snap dat je het niet gezien hebt. Teveel met outdoor leven bezig😉. Ik zal het voornamelijk inzetten voor woon werk verkeer. Daar ik je video zeer uitgebreid vindt, hecht ik waarde aan jouw advies. Fijne week.
@@DEA-vy4bh Ik heb er veel meer niet gezien, opeens stromen de meldingen binnen vanuit UA-cam... systeem hick-up denk ik. Kijk echt even naar de Trek Super Commuter Plus... is een stuk goedkoper.
Hoi hoi🤓. Daar ben ik weer. Vandaag naar Speedpedelec winkel geweest en zag daar de Klever X speed Pinion gezien. Hele interessante SP. Al weleens op die gereden?
I was going to buy a ST2 but on two of my five test drives i hit what I thought were decent bumps (on purpose as I had the suspension fork), and the bike powered down. The first time this happened I told the dealer and they were surprised, and then when it happened again I decided this was too much of a safety issue for me.
I’m curious if this has happened to anyone else.
Hi Clayton, The powering down... no power at all or not getting to speed? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Basically the bike just shut off. When I hit a bump I could hear a loud “click” (both times), and I looked down and the bike was shut off. So I had to push the power button to turn it back on again while I was riding, the distraction of which causes a safety issue in my mind.
My guess is when you hit a bump the battery momentarily becomes disconnected from the magnetic connectors, which breaks the power circuit/supply and shuts the power off.
That is what I think and it can (and should) be fixed by Stromer
Nice video
Thanks! Did you see the new one? ua-cam.com/video/TGGA4CFAiIo/v-deo.html
Such a long and impressive review! You could really see the hard work behind it, especially how much knowledge you presented! Amazing outdoor footage also. In case you want to tell me, I would be interested in how many days or weeks of work you invested to do the video?
Dear Simon, Thank you for the thumbs up! Yes this is hard work and there is more to it than you see in the video. I test the bike outdoors when I have time and then I take the GoPro with me. Shooting the beauty shots outside was about a half day with help from my wive with the car. The shoot in my livingroom took 7.5 hours, there is footage for 60 min easy ;-). The edit takes about the same time. Shooting indoors was a necessary since the weather outside did not allow me to shoot outside. I don't want to risk my gear; I buy al the stuff myself and I can't afford to lose or damage it. Outside shooting is so much more easy with a bit fair weather. Year name reveals you are Dutch... or from Belgium ;-) and you know hom bad the weather has been since early December 2019. I did a piece of video on the test circumstances too but did not put it in the edit. Maybe I should make a separate one on how I work.... Time investment is too big for this kind of video's but I am learning a lot in the process on video and editing and that is why I do it and think it is worth the investment. And I love making video's... Hope this answers your question and if you want more background: let me know! Enjoy the outdoors! Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews hey Gijs, thanks for taking the time and answering the question. It's now even more impressive reading how much hard work you invested and I hope you won't get tired of reviewing outdoor products any time soon. You go a long way to review a complex bike like that, so many outdoor videos here on UA-cam just a show an overview of a backpack or a piece of simple gear with no real outdoor testing or expertise. Even if they probably invested some respectable work into it, a video like this can be produced in only a few hours. But your reviews are on a whole different level, as one can see the solid foundation of testing they are based on, so Kudos a 1000 times :) I am German actually, though growing up near the border in Nordrhein-Westfalen, still not speaking more than a few words of Dutch. I remember many bike tours with my dad and my brother in my childhood, where we explored the (actually quite hilly) southern part of Limburg, both in Belgium and the Dutch Limburg. It's quite an amazing part to go with your race bike or your mountain bike and one would be surprised to be challenged by ascents like the Kauberg in Valkenburg or the Eyerbosweg near Gulpen, which you wouldn't expect in a flat country like the Netherlands. One more question: is it not potentially dangerous to go 45km on a regular bike lane, with slower bikers or pedestrians around? Do you need a special licence for that or at least keep your driver's licence with you?
@@simonjanssen5326 Simon, I never would have guessed ;-). Nice to know! I try to be different than all the unboxing people or review only behind a desk ones. But in the outdoors there are more descent reviewers. How do I get more subscribers... The big secret. We have some nice 'mountains'. Sharing bike lanes is a matter of adapting and of law. And taking care of other people. I ride fast when there is no one there, I drive slow with pedestrians and elderly people on e-bikes. 45 on the road and sharing the road with cars is sometimes scary. The speed-pedelac requires a new road lay-out to be very successful in my opinion. Yes, you need a license but I differs from age and if you already have a car or moped license. Then insurance and a 45 km/h helmet. Not everybody knows this last one. Helmets are helmets... But... let me be clear on this: I like e0-bikes and speed-pedelacs but a normal travel bike is my favorite ;-)
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews Thanks for the great Info, Gijs. Totally agree with you :)
Doh, I don't like the priority stem that they use, you cannot change the handle position only change the type of handlebar...
Yes, I can agree on that but I do get the why: no messing about with parts I think. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 😄. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
This is a very nicely produced video , very professional , but lets face it , in the world of e bikes , Stromer is nothing more than an over priced presitige bike . it is a Reise & Muller wannabe . all the flash and no substance .
The first mistake they made was using a hub motor in the steepest country in Europe .
Hub motors even at high wattage cannot compete with geared mid drives .
Mid drives have much higher Nms than a hub drive even with lower wattage . it is the torque or Nms that enable a bike to climb hills and carry heavy loads . Mid drive are also more efficient so the range will be better and the battery will last longer .
don't get me wrong, Stromer is a very well built bike and lovely to look at but when it comes to practicality they fall short .
Hi Sirios, I agree on a lot of things but not on the R&M wannabe. Stromer is maybe a Tesla and that would make the R&M's I know more of a Land Rover 😉 Maybe a silly question: were do you live and what bike do you have? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
i live in Schwarzwald near bonndorf . i have a Cube with a Bosch gen 3 motor .Shimano gears and brakes rock shock fork . it has 75 Nm and is more than enough to get up the steepest hills with ease . I'm surprised that Stromer would opt for a hub motor when their engineers know about the things i mentioned .
I suspect they are trying to save money on production costs by eliminating the more expensive mid drives , no front fork , there own brakes etc.
@@siriosstar4789 However, what I hear is that R&M has difficulty reaching 45 km/h, where Stromer achieves that easily, at least on flat surfaces, and even with a headwind. Most speed-pedelecs on the Dutch market with midmotor, including the R&M, struggle with reaching 45 km/h cruising speed. I was surprised to learn this, because to me it seems simply a matter of engineering, that is: a good controller and sufficient power output to achieve the same top speeds with a mid-motor. I prefer a midmotor, I have one on my e-bike as well - but I don't want to buy an expensive pedelec that can't even reach 45 km/h with a bit of headwind. What are your experiences? (FYI I live in the Netherlands.)
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Dank Dirk ;-). Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay safe! Gijs
Hoi gijs je zei dat de ST3 maar 1 size had nl M , dats alleen bij de ST3 Comfort er is ook de ST3 Sport die heeft 3 maten nl M L XL
Hoi Belhuey, Helemaal waar! Dank voor je reactie 👍. Groet, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews graag gedaan ik heb straks een zwarte st3 xl via lease a bike
Sold mine after 7K km .... I am 172 in hight and had size M. It's heavy ... it's rather plump driving it in the city. Ok on fast long tracks. In the city ... not. Without seat suspension it kills ur back. My wufe has St1x much better choice for me.
Hi Elvis, Sorry to read the bike did not work out for you. I don't share your experience. It is heavy in relation to a normal bike, yes, but not to many other likewise bikes. It is a commuter bike so for long distances travel and not for the nimble city purpose. For this I would not advice a bike like this one. I do understand that you like your wives bike better: the frame geometry is a bit less sporty and a bit more agile and that would work in a city better. Did you now buy one for yourself too? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Hallo Gijs, meneer Löning (: Goede review. Ik heb een linkje hiernaar geplaatst op de website www.speedpedelec-evolutie.nl. Wees gerust geen enkele speedpedelec is perfect, maar de evolutie is er.... Groeten
Dag meneer Jos, (Jös voor intimi ;-)) Prima! Kan je hem niet delen op Facebook? Gr Gijs
My brain can't phantom how a bike like this can cost half of a cheap new car. It's nice but it's not for the ordinary person with those completely insane prices
Hi Joakim, I can since it is not half the price of an electric car or a hybrid. But... expensive it is for sure. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Try to use the panniers as mounted in your video. You will rip off the paint from the frame within shortest time. The carrier and its overall construction is crap, fullstop.
Hi Michael, I have the habit of putting tape on carriers of bikes that I test so they go back not to scruffy. Paint on panniers can be a problem, I agree. Do you own a ST3? Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
Hoe kun je beweren dat je 65-70 km kan rijden in support mode 3 ? Ik rij dagelijks met ST5 45km (enkel) en ja het bevalt me prima, maar na 45 km tegenwind is de batterij wel 'op' hoor!!! Hoe jullie dan aan 65, laat staan 70 km komen, weet ik niet!!! Ja met rugwind haal je dat wel! Leg dat dan zo uit aan de kijkers! Objectief zijn moet bij deze reviews, anders zijn ze waardeloos!
Beste Koen, In de eerste plaats: dank voor je reactie! In de tweede plaats: je klinkt boos. Ik heb gewoon op de Stromer gefietst en herhaaldelijk de 'beweerde' - ik noem het gemeten - afstand gehaald in 3. Heb ik er een? Nee, dat niet dus mijn ervaring is wel gebaseerd op die korte periode met een nieuwe fiets en accu. Hoe jou ervaring anders kan zijn weet ik niet. Ik ben licht, klein, trap zelf hard mee, misschien dat het uit maakt. Ik ben objectief: ik wordt niet betaald voor de reviews, sterker: ze kosten me geld en ik hoop dat dat ooit anders wordt - en leg alles uit wat ik kan. Het zou je passen me op een gewone manier te benaderen en me niet van alles te verwijten. Je bent overigens de enige die zo reageert en ik weet van een paar andere Stromer rijders in bergachtig Zwitserland dat ze mijn ervaringen delen. Geniet van het fietsen en pas op jezelf! Groet, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews toch eigenaardig, dat mijn batterij na 45km tegen wind leeg is, en de batterijen in de reviews tot 70 km meegaan...
48 km enkel kan met de grootste accu, maar het is krap. In de winter, op een koude dag en bij zware tegenwind zal je, ook in het eerste jaar de accu al leegrijden. Dit bij maximale ondersteuning. In de daarop volgende jaren zul je regelmatig terug moeten in ondersteuning om de afstand te overbruggen. Terug in ondersteuning betekent iets minder snel rijden, zeg 5 km per uur.
Suc6 met je afweging. Peter.
Rij elke dag 40 Km enkel. Dendermonde-Gent. Vandaag bij slecht weer 983w batterij in stand 2 helemaal leeg gereden. (rukwinden!!!)
Ik denk dat 48 km mogelijk is maar afhankelijk van weersomstandigheden. Het hangt natuurlijk ook af hoe lang je er over wilt doen natuurlijk. Als je kan zou ik zeker testrijden! Veel succes bij de keuze.
Met kou en/of flinke tegenwind, fietstassen EN constant 45km/u willen blijven rijden zonder in aero houding te willen/kunnen zitten zul je wat batterij management moeten toepassen/proberen. Vooral als de batterij wat ouder wordt.
De route, veel stad, open vlakte, slecht wegdek heeft ook wat %tjes invloed. En natuurlijk een tweede lader (geen reislader die heeft zeker een werkdag nodig om een lege accu vol te proppen)
Stop saying engine, start saying motor.
I will😄👍
I’ll come back in 5 years because Stromer is not there. Not by a long shot. Pitty.
Wise! Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
So it’s ok to overpay for a bicycle because a car costs more? … nice logic
Maybe just because you like biking more than being in car 🙄. Enjoy the Outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
no suspension, Tesla's have all four wheel suspension.
Hi Tom, Why would you want suspension? Enjoy the outdoors and Stay Safe! Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews here is a clue, take the tyres off the bike and take a 20km normal road ride on just the rims. Then borrow a full suspension mountain bike do the same 20km ride and put a go pro to monitor the front and rear suspension movement. you will notice that the suspension moves much more that the height of the stromer tyres. the difference its what your body frame has to experience as aches and pain. Electric bikes no longer have to follow the French racing bike design rules.
@@tomquimby8669 That is why I don't get... Did you ride the Stromer or any bike with big balloon tires? Or a hardtail mountainbike. Suspension can be good and helpful but also heave and makes stuff more expensive. On normal roads the Stromer does not need suspension. Cheers, Gijs
@@OutdoorguruGearReviews I find the blindness of your argument amusing. Just think the automotive industry would save thousands on each car if they just relied on the balloon tyres for suspension. The motorcycle industry too. they Also ride on normal roads. Oddly they add suspension. As for expensive - Stromer!! do you really want to discuss the price?
@@tomquimby8669 Dear Tom, Bikes are not cars neither motorbikes. I started my career in testing being a motorcycle tester and rode most type of bikes for about 10 years. There is a bit more to adding suspension than just comfort to the person. Road contact is one; keeping the tire on the tarmac. There is a huge weight and speed difference with bikes. A Stromer is - if you like - more like a racecar or racebike. Racecars and bikes have suspension but very stiff. For a reason. I am not going to go any deeper because I have the feeling that we will not agree with each other and that is fine; we are all entitled to our own opinion and that is how I like it. So, I respect you thoughts. Happy biking (I think we share that love)! Gijs PS The Stromer price... Agree!
ne pas comparer le vélo a tesla ! la tesla tout fonctionne 100% bien et pas stromer :( le connectivité est une catastrophe , le monté ses pas top ...
Volgens mij ben je Nederlands