Kenny Beats - Explaining his *New Vocal Chain 2022* 🎤🔥 Vocal Recording Process (delay,eq, etc...) 🔥🔥
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Kenny Beats - Explaining his New Vocal Chain 2022 🎤🔥 Vocal Recording Process (delay,eq, etc...) 🔥🔥
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notes just for me
1. make 2 recording tracks look at latency | First record signal is raw, second with fx
2. PRO-Q 3
3. PRO Q DS | preset: male wide band
4. R COMP | threshold -14.7 ratio 2.95 gain -8.2 attack 5.22 realease 160
5.PuiqTec
FX:
delay - echoboy with 1/4 1/2 etc..
long reverb - valhalla vintage verb
short reverb - PRO R
adlibs: phone filter PRO Q
Thanks this is actually useful
урал
Why are you listening the settings for the R Compressor. They are based on his incoming audio, and it is subject to change every single time you record something, ultimately rendering it irrelevant and useless.
Great Note taker! Thanks
it's amazing, fliko always posts exactly the video I need ! the best
That option+command+U shortcut is insane holy shit
the goat's kenny & fliko 🐐🐐
I love how Kenny breaks down the separate monitoring and recording tracks in this. Really similar to the workflow working with the Apollo console but he pulls it off entirely in Ableton. Actually kinda 🔥.
Very useful. Thanks 🙏🏽
I needed that!
Where We can find it
I haven't seen this channel in a minute! Nice
yaaaaaaas !!
this is great!
THANK YOU
The main thing about the latency track is that the monitoring is set to off if anyone is trying it. Also he doesn't need to record the track set to in since it's just monitoring.
I record myself and I don't actually find it to be better because I was hearing it with the latency when I was recording so I already adjust for that subconsciously.
this reminds me of when he was dropping gems with T-Pain while making a beat for him. We need T-Pain on the cave!!
Ayyy
WOAH KENNY
amazing
Thanks bro
if you add some heavy tape distortion before the pro q in the "PHONE" track, it sounds sick
There is a way to get around the “tracking” and latency” tracks for Apollo users. Just monitor through console and use console for your effects while monitoring. Then put your Ableton vocal chain on AFTER recording, for playback. Still adds a bit of an annoying extra step but this way you don’t have to keep track of two tracks and moving takes.
you can do this also on an audient or discrete or almost any interface now
Are you saying to basically just mute/unmute your vocal fx chain for playback?
Monitor through console > record to track with vocal fx chain muted (in Ableton) > unmute fx chain during playback ??
I’m just worried about hearing both console and Ableton signals at the same time.. are you also changing the track from “off” to “auto” each time you want to playback recorded takes?
Hope this isn’t too confusing 🫤
This is what I do in logic. It’s actually really convenient cuz I mix with a lot of UAD plugins and I have a bunch of DSP. So I can basically run the exact same chain on my interface itself as I do in the DAW. And both the monitoring and recording channels end up being 0 latency cuz the plugins are running on the interface, not the Mac. 🔥🔥🔥
Hmm I have an Apollo and I monitor through FL or Studio one and I never really have latency. Maybe he's recording at 48k instead of 96k?
You can use the UAD plugins through console or in your daw,, and the latency will remain the same. You don’t need to just run them through console for them to be latency free
That’s so smart!!!!! Record to two tracks and bypass latency in plugins and master
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I have an important cuestion 😱 after you record do you bounce the vocals with all the processing or do you bounce them dry and put them in the song session?
I use the UAD sound card with the Manley VOXBOX for tracking vocals,so all that double track for latency isshh , I'm good.
I used an Apollo Twin so I can monitor the vocals but this is a great workout for non Apollo user. Hell sometimes we want to get creative with the FX and now you can do that and still have a clean take latency free. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
@@BrandonAdams1010 Apollo has zero latency that makes it to where you can still monitor without the daw on. The Apollo is essential for people that track with ableton imo. External plug ins alleviate the cpu load as well.
@@nathanaeljames3059 i totally agree, the only downside is you HAVE to buy Auto-tune in order for someone to monitor with tuning. Other than that it's the best thing ever.
@@jahhe2611 my arrow came with autotune realtime and realtime pro
@@priticolours1177 SHEEEESHHHH, lucky you!
@@jahhe2611 I got mine used and the guy said Antares came in the free bundle as well.
someone make this in FL 21😭🙏🏼
…he just broke it down piece by piece…and you still to lazy to replicate it for your self
@@miahdona8161 you obviously havent touched FL lmao
I actually did a template with full inspiration from kenny in fl 21
@@WattyWrld Could I please get that sent to me? I would really appreciate it! Thank you!!
Lemme give ya, I got it❤️@@ayeitsnouraofficial
Just a heads up regarding latency. Switching any armed track to "off" instead of "auto" or "in" will have the same effect regarding latency. You don't need to take anything out of the FX chain or change the output routing of the track.
Boosting that much high on the puigtec is INSANE but also.. kinda hot? Idk
Just offering an alternative to his latency workaround in Ableton for anyone who may want a different option (I learned this from an Alex Tumay stream):
Create at least two tracks, and name one of them "recording" or "tracking"
Select them both and create a group
Apply your vocal effects to the group track instead of the recording track
Arm your "recording" track and record to that
Use the second track as the place where you keep the good takes
This way you don't have any effects on your "recording" track and the vocalist can hear their effects without latency (your buffer size/delay compensation has to be set correctly of course)
Would the second track be necessary using this method if you can use Take Lanes or am I missing something?
@@HalfJoked its not necessary but it gives you more control of your edits on the fly
You can do this easier:
Put monitoring on your effects "Tracking" track.
Create a new Audio Track ( CMD + T ) and put the monitoring off on that -->
--> Arm both tracks for recording
--> After recording just take the one from the empty effects audio track.
@@preciousgaming5191 isn’t that what kenny did?
The Problem is the effects goes through the track with off monitoring, so no
I wish I had more space on my 60gb mac book air and external drives to record on 2 tracks at once
i wish he wouldve proved the latency no latency thing in this video, just showing the waveform difference or something
I'm still getting latency on playback, enough to really throw a vocal performance. The only work around i've found it to DM straight off my interface, but then I have no FX etc which can really throw the performer. Anyone have a work around? Running a Mac Mini m1, so should be powerful enough to handle it.
This applies to FL right?
Can someone translate the "tracking" and "latency" part,
into FL language? (I know it's not really different, but
I think the terms threw me off.)
Bro if i add that many fx to the channel im recording vocals on, my pc would get a digital heart attack
6:20 💎 #yuhhurdme
Should I use mono or stereo plugins for vocals or does it matter?
Puig tech saved my life
I’m going to attempt to explain the latency and tracking situation in a way that is more easily understood. Basically Ableton has an issue with its internal routing that allows the plug-ins on your track to affect your recording. So you’ll notice if you record with a heavy gate on a track in Ableton, it will just straight up not record the more quiet parts when in reality the gate should be POST your recording not PRErecording therefore it SHOULD have no actual effect on the recording itself once the gate plug-in is removed. Unfortunately Ableton hasn’t gotten their shit together so this or being a UAD user is the only work around.
TLDR: Don’t record with a gate of your track in Ableton. Apply gate after recording and beware of Ableton’s ever so slight latency issues
You still get latency even when you turn direct monitoring off?
Thanks for mentioning the gate, I was wondering why he wouldn’t put even a light gate on the monitor side, just nice to have but not if it’s being printed onto the recording
wtf the thing with the gate is just not true, the effects/plugins on a recorded track are never baked into the recording itself, even a gate. If you delete every effect on the recorded track it will be just raw (besides some latency if monitor was set to "in" as kenny explained). How do you get to your result with the gate? I'm interested :D
@@Fizzzel i don’t know how you came to the conclusion that it’s not. I’ve recorded in Ableton for years and can assure you, it’s true. I agree it doesn’t make sense but if you record with the stock gate on, it affects the recorded signal
@@tajbratton2961Do you recommend I change Daws via pc? I love Ableton but recording vocal chains act funny at times and it's getting to me...
Literally can't spot a single difference from his edit of the pro-r vocal backings bright preset
I couldn't spot a difference either. He may have forgot to make his adjustments on this version. I just wish I could figure out how to record with reverb and delay without latency coming through the headphone mix. That's the thing that gets me still.
Does anyone know if the als archive of his new vocal chain is available in the discord sub rewards or anywhere else?🙏
How to do this in logic pro x? Or do I need to worry about this? I have a uad apollo, and i tried this trick with logic, but it won’t let me record multiple vocal tracks from the same input.
record in mono, I have a mixer plugged into the input on my interface coming in input3-4, set one input to 3 and the other to 4, its the same signal from the mic, that'll allow you to record enable both tracks. that's been my best workaround for now, I don't think Logic will allow record enable on two tracks with the exact same input but multitrack recording is definitely possible
Dudes workflow is crazy
why not just monitor through hardware.. ? no latency that way .. you can use effects on the hardware for the artist if the need that.. then record clean or with things like slight compression etc
cause he’s on the go most of the time with not the same hardware everywhere
yall got the template he used for fl studio? the updated version
so do you have to put autotune on each track individually? i dont think many peoples cpu can handle that much. is there a way to print the autotune while recording? or maybe have it on the group bus?
i dont use ableton but on FL you CAN print processing such as auto tune onto the vocal recording so i imagine its possible in ableton too. you dont really want tuning on a bus/aux as i can imagine it causing some unpleasant results, especially on harmonies.
You can print it but yes you need it on each track it's designed for monophonic sounds
ok now where can i download it to just throw it on ableton :/
how can you do the latency thing on fl studio??
additive bfore comp?
sends?
This is also good for samplemakers who use live instruments.
You dont have to record on the tracking. I do the same things just have it set to in
Mic, pre, comp front end?
Where can i get it ?
Can someone explain me why he doesn't use the gate plugin anymore?
He probably treated his room better for cleaner recordings and just got better at tracking. If you have a quiet enough room and understand how to track properly you shouldn’t need a gate.
How would this work in Logic Pro?
İf you have not Hardware..
You doesn..
Bruh..
I have no clue what half of this means lol
anything to watch to help understand it thanks !!!!!!
CLA Hoecallllllllllllls😏
sooo no noise gate anymore?
bro just get an uad apollo
Kenny: OH I have a new vocal chain of expensive plugins
Me who has been using the same vocal chain with the same stock FL plugins for years: Cool
Everything’s free online 🏴☠️⛵️
No latency on an Apollo 64 core AMD Threadripper with 256gb ram, even running high latency plugins
Someone knows how to make this on FL or has link?
I just commented this:
In case you use FL Studio and want to do this:
On the mixer, route one RAW channel to another where you want to put whatever effects you want, then unlink the raw channel from the MASTER channel and arm disk recording (dot button at the bottom of the mixer channels) on the channels you want to record, then hit record>play to start recording (it will be reflected in the playlist).
Additionally, if you have a project with too many active plugins on other channels, it will be impossible for there to be no latency, and if for some reason you don't want to freeze all the tracks or render the instrumental, adjusting the track latency (clock button at the bottom of every channel on the mixer)>Set from>Master. This adjusts the latency and makes sure there is not too much latency.
I hope it helps someone.
I hear myself so low compared with the 2020 chain, does someone feel that way?
saaaaaame bro, it seems this come from the R comp lowering everything, need help pls someone
Dont copy 1 by 1, you do not have the same Mic, Preamp and Interface like Kenny. You will have to adjust Volume through some other means (e.g. LA-2A on either beginning or end of chain)
@@realtoni420 thanks!
waht interface?'
Why doesn't he have a gate on the tracking track anymore??
Someone please make this template in logic. Lol I’ll pay you
Lol Just did ;)
@@FrankBell do you have it for ableton ?
@@TO32242 No, but isn't he using Ableton here?
Should the beat have been mastered before or nah?
Logic don't have nearly any latency with a full vocal chain. It's time to make the switch.
why does he use 2 tracks for wav files?
I get latency in my recording if the track I'm recording on is activated. I'm running a Scarlet 8i8 on a good laptop set for performance with 256 buffer and 11ms of latency that I've adjusted for within the Audio Setup window. Does anyone know what else I'm doing wrong? After years of recording in a dry mic this video got my hopes up only to be crushed again when trying it, lol.
The only thing I can think of, is try 128 buffer at 44.1 when recording, then during playback raise it to 1024. I’m sure you’ve already done this, but that’s really the only think I can think of, unless I knew all of what plugins you were running when you’re recording
You could always spring for an Apollo twin at some point. I know they’re expansive, but they really are worth it, and they allow you to run latency free with their plugins
I accidentally had my vocals running back to my headphones, not just the dry signal through my sound card, but the full wet vocal, lol. I muted that somehow, and am now fully reaping the benefits of hearing the vocal effects, and the dry vocal from my sound card, with an additional wet vocal track, if that makes any sense. It completely removes the latency issue.
bruhhh please explain what you did to achieve this. im running a focusrite scarlett 2i2 and AT2020 mic. I would rlly like to freestyle in key of the beat with no latency. how did you do this??@@LokeyeMC
@praxusjoon2478 sounds fun! So if you click the yellow button on the track it will activate the channel, meaning you'll hear the processed vocal. Simply deactivate the track by unblinking the yellow button. Your voice will be audible because of your sound card's direct monitoring of the dry audio signal, which will have near-zero latency. But you'll still get the reverb and delay from the sends as long as the send channels are routed correctly like in the above video. Hope that helps. I made the same mistake. If you're still having trouble just let me know how your two tracks are set up and what sound card you're using.
Anyone who knows how to find waves plugins? (you know what i mean)
rutracker
how do you not hear yourself with delay when you record with all plugins?
exactly, that's what I'm trying to figure out lol
@@LokeyeMC everyone saying use the low latency mode on autotune but what about the rest hahaha.....
@@bigsantamane Haha yeah. But I figured out what it was finally. The trick is to not have the track "activated" when you're recording. Somehow I can still hear my effects through the sends on a track even if it is not activated. But as soon as it's activated I get this terrible loud echo of my voice during the recording process.
what do you mean by activated?@@LokeyeMC
I wonder why he doesn't put the vocal chain on the individual channels. I find that it weakens the strength of the plug-ins when its on the Group, rather than the track
What do you mean weakens the strength
for latency
and cpu
Why tf would you monitor on ableton when you have an apollo
Can someone share a template 🙏
did you find it ?
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Can somebody explain wtf a slap delay is?
A slapback delay is a delay with a very short time, so it gives a slightly staggered doubling effect. Rockabilly guitar is a classic example.
Thanks to Toni's comment below, it's looks to be a 32nd note on tempos between 75bpm - 120bpm. And then a 48th note for slower than 75bpm and a 24th note for faster than 7bpm. In fact a slap delay wouldn't drift into 16th note territory until you're above 240bpm in bebop land. But 60ms - 100ms is a far more direct way to think about it.
Its between 60-100 ms delay, not following BPM divisions.
Please do not just automatically low pass your vocals around 20k lol. Sometimes you will have to for people that dont have a good mic or recorded in a really bad room. But main stream artist record on a c800g and its not so they can cut it at 20k lol
20kHz is the threshold of human hearing, also i may be wrong but I believe that you can have aliasing issues with some plugins if they receive input over 20kHz and don’t have an oversampling option.
Wait what does this all mean
is there a setting I change ?cuz my mic ain’t the best?
@@silent5353 lol what mic do you have?
@@michaelrice6620 its called audiotechnica
@@silent5353 at2020?
why he in a microwave
But the vocalist is listening to a track with latency. I guess it's super minimal
To me the latency is very loud, so it messes up my thinking when trying to perform with my voice on the mic while listening to latency in the headphone mix.
I swear for a man like Kenny who likes things to be streamlined and simple, the whole process of multi track recording then moving the clip after every recording seems extremely non efficient
It’s an Ableton issue, not a Kenny issue
@@tajbratton2961 don’t use Ableton then, I’m sure he’s proficient in every DAW
@@ShayBurgman I mean you’re right but clearly this is easier or more convenient for him then working in another daw ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ShayBurgman Why would he be proficient in every daw? Most people only know 1 or 2 by heart
@@vael_ legitimately shouldn’t take more than a day to learn a DAW. Using a DAW is easy, making good creative decisions is hard
why doesn’t he use a doubler anymore?
Just record 2 takes
@@rebinu sounds a lot more natural and interesting too. A doubler is a convenience thing
All love to Kenny - very talented dude - but 'tracking' and 'latency' will have identical audio recordings on them. I say that only to help anyone watching this with their recording setup
yeah this setup confused me a little bit i'm not really understanding the difference, but maybe he's saying that the 'tracking' audio may be offset in the ableton grid (tho i feel like it wouldn't) so just to avoid having to pull it back a couple ms he just copies over from 'latency' track? dunno feel like i'm missing something here
They don’t. I’ve literally tried it in Ableton. The latency track with no plug-ins on it records with near 0 latency.
@@bit1856 try it yourself. Record with plug-ins on 1 track and no plug-ins on another at the same time then zoom in at the beginning of the transients and you’ll see the difference
@@bit1856 the audio on the "tracking" track will have latency on it from the effects. It's unavoidable - even though it might be imperceptible, this will avoid the issue altogether. I do the same thing, but I'm not sure why he even records the monitoring track, I just have it monitor.
@@tajbratton2961 What if you turn direct monitoring off on the track with plugins?
this is stupid just set your tracking to go to ext. out, input monitoring, reduced latency with monitoring checked in settings, then record on your main vocal tracks directly so you dont have to copy paste, just make sure they are set to off on input monitoring. like what. you can test this yourself in like 2 minutes
you're absolutely correct, literally just click reduced latency when monitoring and it removes the need for a second track, thanks for sharing that btw
two tracks makes no sense w apollo or antelope
So he's letting them record completely dry?
I hate doublers
How come?
@@deseanbryan5312 gives the vocals a cheap plasticy sound
@@deseanbryan5312 ugly way of imitating the genuinely nice effect of multiple takes
mhhh ... explaining all that cool stuff without a sound is a bit shame in an audio channel
dude so unneccsary having 2 record tracks, you can just record with UAD zero latency monitor
This latency bullshit is ridiculous
without all the celebrity guests this guy is boring and a lame, give it a few years he will do a post malone and make rock music because it was his true passion, hip hop was just 'for fun'
you are slow bruh
is this gonna release?
Isn't exporting the beat and recording vocals on a new project enough?
Last time I was rapping in the booth, I accidentally had a racist Chinese accent. No vocal chain can fix that 💯
this is exactly why tracking in ableton sucks
so many guitars "its so beautiful look at it" 30 mins or less
bro speak in english im smart and i have no idea w u sayin
Then you clearly are not smart.