I like this hole if the greens hold but if rock hard you basically have a quarter of the green to land the ball since anything off the green is likely unplayable/in the water. Rough stuff.
it's a silly and disingenuous golf design. place these rocks in a section, even two sections... but it's lazy and unoriginal, simply malicious, to surround the green with rocks. there has to be a "bad side, a side to miss it on:... I don't respect the thinking behind this green. redesign it. it's dumb. punitive design is something of a Modernist deconstruction of golf courses... don't go there.
I don't care for holes where the "luck factor" is so huge when a bad shot is made, in all fairness a bad shot deserves a difficult result, but not a disaster for some and a break for others. The "luck factor" takes away from the "contest of skill", just like a SUPER fast green with sloping conditions that let a VERY close miss trickle to a ridiculous distance....imho
100% Agree. There's nearly no protection from that hazzard and it just funnels into there. It would be more fair if it hit water so at least you just take a drop.
C'mon...This is a great hole ...The challenge is equally difficult physically and mentally. 165yds...is in the wheel house of any tour player, wind or not. What I saw was most guys missing or almost missing the green entirely. IE: psyched out.. A full 7 iron or easy 6 for me. To speed play a litle penninsula with a drop zone could be added...2 strokes is enough punishment on any hole though.
I’ve played this course about five times now. The last two times I played this hole, I birdied. Of course, I wasn’t playing from the tips….haha, big difference.
I was fortunate enough to play this course 20 years ago -- I hit a great shot on this 17th hole and was 5-10 feet from the cup off the tee.... i then walked up and missed the birdie putt & tapped in for par....... Love laughing at the pros ... !
I played this hole from the same tee box, mind you I shoot at least a 100 every round. I landed the ball dead center… then 3 putted. But I hit the green.
Par's great there, and I'd for sure be pleased with your result. Let's be honest though, just like the par 5's, par 3's are prime targets to pick up strokes, and this beast/gentle giant, for these guys, in tight competition, is another such opportunity. If you wanna win it......
One thing I never understood about golf coverage is that they never really do it like in the golf games, where you follow the ball flight from the players point of view. If they did that, golf would be a lot more exciting to watch. This whole watching it in the air kind of thing is really annoying, making it seem very random and 2d/boring.
@@Thatguy-fg4fp there are plenty of youtubers with shot trackers that make it look real pretty and you can follow the trajectory with them. heck at 6:44 they have the tech
@@Sandul666 first off, about your time stamp, you’re literally talking about an incredibly expensive and complicated to setup video camera and booth; that is elevated above ground level on an platform with a dedicated and experienced videographer. You expect them to have that view for every single golf shot hit?? And 2nd off the original commenter literally said “watching it in the air is kinda boring” where tf else are you gonna watch the ball?!?! The only time it isn’t in the air is when putting so what is he even on about?! And lastly you need to realize that you’re watching a golf championship. One in which includes an incredible amount of goals other than making the best video possible. Only UA-camrs are able to set that as their primary goal. So quit complaining and buy a ticket if you’re that upset above you’re “shot view”. The great thing about golf, is that they are hardly ever seats, so you can stand watch if from wherever you’d like if you buy tickets. Also if you watch it live, they include plenty of shot TRACERS which you would see. You click a random highlight video so yeah there may be any shot tracers included. I’m starting to realize I’m wasting my time because I’m arguing with two idiots who don’t even watch or care about golf outside of UA-cam. The original commenter expects them to have a drone shot of every single golf shot but the reality is that, that’s impractical and drones are loud. Especially when moving at fast speed, which is required if it were tracking a golf ball.
@@Thatguy-fg4fp you are getting very emotional over something that is very trivial. You're right, i don't watch a lot of live golf. But what can i say, i don't want to go in person, and i don't like the super expensive 'ball cam' that shows a ball flying through blue sky with zero reference to depth of field. it's just an opinion. it's not the end of the world. glad we had this chat. have a good rest of your day.
I played a replica of this hole in Viet Nam 6 yrs ago from 145yrds par 3. We decided that no one take a drop so i ended up 6 balls in water. It was fun and memorable for sure.
Were they running out of lake balls for the pro shop? Even really good shots were bouncing off that green. Spray some water on it, give people a chance!
I’m not a golf fan, but mathematically, holes like this, don’t make sense... you could be the best for the other 17 holes, but whoever lands on that green first try, instantly has a great chance of being one of the top, if not, the top finisher, despite not being the best, or even one of the best overall golfers that day
The conditions you play it in & Tour Pros for a Tournament are night & day different. For every day play, the green is watered more, therefore softer & holds better. The green isn't mowed nearly as short as it would be for the Pro's, nor is it "rolled" like it would be for a Tournament. What those guys are putting on is tantamount to perfectly smooth concrete. Still props to you if you play the hole well. We have an Island green on my local course, no matter what T you play, it messes with your head & is much harder to hit than if it were surrounded by grass.
@@ghpjerry I played it with 40+ mph winds and the week after the tournament. So pretty much the same conditions that they played, maybe a bit slower greens, but not much
@@coeenc123 the 250 yd par three surrounded by water, I am blanking on the hole number, but that and the par five with the two long water hazards one on the left part of the fairway for the first half of the hole and then the other on the right side of the fairway the other half, that was a deadly hole
@@jeromecarlson9144 I don't think you realize how fast grass grows back. Playing 7 days after the tournament pretty much means the grass is back to the conditions it would normally be. That, and 40+ mph wind speeds would be causing structural damage to trees and small buildings. Yes, the week after the tournament might be a bit harder than you would normally find the course, but that doesn't mean it's on the pro-level.
3:27 ok I have to ask...how is this guy on the video....that was pretty awesome. I saw where hitting the ball wrong handed on a similar hole was supposed to be so spectacular and it was like a 50 ft putt.
What we learned: If they want to make courses tougher, stop lengthening them and start adding rocks around the greens. Water is a nice touch, as well...
A hole like this should be 135 max (like tpc sawgrass 17th). 165 with how hard those greens are bouncing is a bit absurd. Some of those balls are landing 15 feet short of the pin and still going in the water. Not a fan of this hole.
"After the First World War, Shandor decided that society was too sick to survive. And he wasn't alone. He had close to a thousand followers when he died. They conducted rituals up on the roof, bizarre rituals intended to bring about the end of the world. They then changed their minds and instead created the 17th hole at the PGA West course."
A weird shot for that circumstance is a putter. If you slam straight down it sometimes pops up. Idk if that would have worked, but just for peoples knowledge may help someone
PGA Tour director of production: Video of the ball flying in the air with a sky backdrop is in no way useful to the viewers. The sky tracker is about the best option for providing ball trajectory. Also, a view from behind the hole with the sky tracker would also be much better than filming the ball in the sky. Point of reference is the only way people can see where the ball is going. 👍🍻🇨🇦
so has anyone put together an honest report showing how much water is wasted on keeping all the golf courses in desert states green and the amount of water wasted in man-made streams/creeks and ponds?California has placed restrictions on home water use including lawns and washing cars. have any of the desert states that have public fountains shut them off? if the streams are shut down they will still be hazardous. ..dry creek beds or ponds will make a golf course more entertaining while saving millions of gallons of water.
Yeah they need to give the course less water and have it play firm and fast. It's a much better course when even the pros have trouble stopping the ball
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That green bounced like it was frozen 😂
To be fair this hole is ridiculous with any above average wind
I like this hole if the greens hold but if rock hard you basically have a quarter of the green to land the ball since anything off the green is likely unplayable/in the water. Rough stuff.
it's a silly and disingenuous golf design. place these rocks in a section, even two sections... but it's lazy and unoriginal, simply malicious, to surround the green with rocks. there has to be a "bad side, a side to miss it on:... I don't respect the thinking behind this green. redesign it. it's dumb. punitive design is something of a Modernist deconstruction of golf courses... don't go there.
Rocks are there to prevent eroding of the island.
Only 165 yards though
Half the shots looked like draws. Almost half missed the green. Tough but not the worst.
The green is of stone too from the way the ball jumps on landing the green.
everybody cheered when the rock bounced it back on the green 😂
Imagine playing perfect till Sunday only to lose 10 strokes on one hole. Golf is brutal
It seems people like to be brutalized.
Yeah, that would be me lol. Probably more than ten I would think.
That’s not golf!
They should make a course with 18 holes like this for tour pros
island hopping on par 5ʻs
No, shouldn't. Play would be very very slow. Just 6 holes like this one on every course is good enough! :D
totally agree, would be fair
@@bayan244 or 1 every corner! You're right!
Or just make them play this hole 18 times 😜
Thanks. Golf is hard, sometimes for tour players. Close to pin high, goners
Imagine how many TP5's and V1's are in there
You should see their practice range during the tournament. Barrels of premium balls
@@brianbashaw5355 can you somehow access them
@@HazehyMind 🤿
17 at TPC Sawgrass they pull over 100,000 DOZEN balls from the lake every year.
@@richardjacques1731 100,000 dozen doesn’t make any sense. Are you saying they pull 1.2million balls out of there yearly 🤣🤣
I can watch this all day 😂
In my opinion this is quite possibly the dumbest hole on the PGA Tour
And your comment is the dumbest on UA-cam.
Why because it's a tough hole? Let me guess you hate 17 at TPC Sawgrass as well
Stick 2 miniature golf clown! 1 of greatest holes !
@@elmoblatch9787 Then you clearly haven't been on youtube much.
It seems a bit cheap to me, either you make the green or you effectively have a penalty shot or three.
I don't care for holes where the "luck factor" is so huge when a bad shot is made, in all fairness a bad shot deserves a difficult result, but not a disaster for some and a break for others. The "luck factor" takes away from the "contest of skill", just like a SUPER fast green with sloping conditions that let a VERY close miss trickle to a ridiculous distance....imho
100% Agree. There's nearly no protection from that hazzard and it just funnels into there. It would be more fair if it hit water so at least you just take a drop.
The point is that you should be punished when you hit a bad shot, not face a 5 foot putt for par
C'mon...This is a great hole ...The challenge is equally difficult physically and mentally. 165yds...is in the wheel house of any tour player, wind or not. What I
saw was most guys missing or almost missing the green entirely. IE: psyched out..
A full 7 iron or easy 6 for me. To speed play a litle penninsula with a drop zone could be added...2 strokes is enough punishment on any hole though.
I’ve played this course about five times now. The last two times I played this hole, I birdied. Of course, I wasn’t playing from the tips….haha, big difference.
I don't even like my group watching me hit here lol, imagine from the tips and on tv makes it so much harder,
I've birdied this hole numerous times, and even hit a hole in one. Does Tiger Woods Golf game count?
This is a great hole. These players are the best in the world and should be challenged.
Exactly.
I was fortunate enough to play this course 20 years ago -- I hit a great shot on this 17th hole and was 5-10 feet from the cup off the tee.... i then walked up and missed the birdie putt & tapped in for par....... Love laughing at the pros ... !
I played this hole from the same tee box, mind you I shoot at least a 100 every round. I landed the ball dead center… then 3 putted. But I hit the green.
Par's great there, and I'd for sure be pleased with your result. Let's be honest though, just like the par 5's, par 3's are prime targets to pick up strokes, and this beast/gentle giant, for these guys, in tight competition, is another such opportunity. If you wanna win it......
The water level must have risen few millimeters😆😆
makes me feel really good to know that i parred this hole over the summer.
Sure bro. I’m sure you were shooting from the same spot they were
@@CarlosSanchez-ev3bn just like i get to practice as much as they do? OBVIOUSLY i wasnt shooting from where they are, you genius.
Yeah, looking great. Add a few more holes like this. It will make golf a really fair game.
Grate design for hole. Credit to the designer it so easy to just under or over hit . Thus the plinko effect of rocks keeps it in honour of luck
Love watching pros struggle.
Grandpa once told me that golf was the great equalizer. For no matter how bad your day is, your game is always worse.
Sure if you suck at golf
This hole was jointly designed by all the ball makers.
And those who make a living retrieving balls from water hazards ;)
Excellent hole to spectate at and play a drinking game. Everytime a ball lands in the drink, you gotta take a drink (shot)
Yeah I’d be the drunkest in the group after that hole 😂
This hole really rocks
Hitting the green and three putting sounds nice after watching this
Brilliant hole 👍👍👍👍👍👍
This is like every hole i play!
You win the honest golfer award lol.
Iam glad I am not the only one who has done this
I would have just skipped my tee shot and gone to the drop box for my third if I was playing lol
The greens keeper laughing and eating his popcorn
Thank god there aren't island holes and huge boulders at my local course, half my clubs would be in the water. 😂😂
One thing I never understood about golf coverage is that they never really do it like in the golf games, where you follow the ball flight from the players point of view.
If they did that, golf would be a lot more exciting to watch. This whole watching it in the air kind of thing is really annoying, making it seem very random and 2d/boring.
Yeah that’s because real life isn’t a video game.
@@Thatguy-fg4fp there are plenty of youtubers with shot trackers that make it look real pretty and you can follow the trajectory with them. heck at 6:44 they have the tech
@@Sandul666 first off, about your time stamp, you’re literally talking about an incredibly expensive and complicated to setup video camera and booth; that is elevated above ground level on an platform with a dedicated and experienced videographer. You expect them to have that view for every single golf shot hit?? And 2nd off the original commenter literally said “watching it in the air is kinda boring” where tf else are you gonna watch the ball?!?! The only time it isn’t in the air is when putting so what is he even on about?!
And lastly you need to realize that you’re watching a golf championship. One in which includes an incredible amount of goals other than making the best video possible. Only UA-camrs are able to set that as their primary goal. So quit complaining and buy a ticket if you’re that upset above you’re “shot view”. The great thing about golf, is that they are hardly ever seats, so you can stand watch if from wherever you’d like if you buy tickets.
Also if you watch it live, they include plenty of shot TRACERS which you would see. You click a random highlight video so yeah there may be any shot tracers included. I’m starting to realize I’m wasting my time because I’m arguing with two idiots who don’t even watch or care about golf outside of UA-cam.
The original commenter expects them to have a drone shot of every single golf shot but the reality is that, that’s impractical and drones are loud. Especially when moving at fast speed, which is required if it were tracking a golf ball.
@@Thatguy-fg4fp you are getting very emotional over something that is very trivial. You're right, i don't watch a lot of live golf. But what can i say, i don't want to go in person, and i don't like the super expensive 'ball cam' that shows a ball flying through blue sky with zero reference to depth of field. it's just an opinion. it's not the end of the world. glad we had this chat. have a good rest of your day.
At least they won't have to put more rocks around the green. Plenty of balls adding to its stability !
Definitely, a firm bounce! Still... I wish I could even come close to these guys' skills.
man golf is insane. it's like playing pool on a table that is 500m long and full of obstacles.
For sure, and using the jump shot most of the time
I played a replica of this hole in Viet Nam 6 yrs ago from 145yrds par 3. We decided that no one take a drop so i ended up 6 balls in water. It was fun and memorable for sure.
Is that green made out of concrete?
No they just hit bad shots
They showed the 10 shots that were bad and didn't show you the 50 that were fine
1:45. Hosel Rocket. And someone clapped! 😂😂😂
i need to play at that hole
Great value version of the 17 sawgrass
This is like a normal day for me
They shoulda busted out the scuffed up nitro you find in the woods for that water hazard hole
A nightmare hole definitely
Love how on some, the announcers say how great the shot is, then "splash".
That is a ridiculous green. Why not put a big windmill on it while they’re at it?
Mini golf is fun!
Damn you gotta have a perfect swing to make that green 😅
The hole would be fair if they would replace the rocks with sand?
Maybe a few more feet of sand but keep the rocks?
7:45 lol at the single clap
When the world and its rules are completely against you….welcome to Life, my child.
Whoever designed this hole clearly had it out for humanity.
This is more like it. Courses need to challenge these guys and give them some adversity.
Were they running out of lake balls for the pro shop? Even really good shots were bouncing off that green. Spray some water on it, give people a chance!
It's cheaper to just write down a snowman and walk to the next hole.
Very hard P3! Balls killer!
Fast and firm trampoline that green lol
Should put a bar next to this tee box...
Alcatraz?
I’m not a golf fan, but mathematically, holes like this, don’t make sense... you could be the best for the other 17 holes, but whoever lands on that green first try, instantly has a great chance of being one of the top, if not, the top finisher, despite not being the best, or even one of the best overall golfers that day
They make golf way more fun to watch
Not one ball (that hit the green) seem to have any back spin on it?
Yeah they hit bad shots and the fans complain that bad shots are punished
Can't have bogeys on camera
I produce this compilation of shots on my average day out.
Bro I played this course and this hole is not as hard as people give it credit for. The course as a whole tho, by far the hardest I've ever played
What hole would you say was the toughest?
The conditions you play it in & Tour Pros for a Tournament are night & day different. For every day play, the green is watered more, therefore softer & holds better. The green isn't mowed nearly as short as it would be for the Pro's, nor is it "rolled" like it would be for a Tournament. What those guys are putting on is tantamount to perfectly smooth concrete.
Still props to you if you play the hole well. We have an Island green on my local course, no matter what T you play, it messes with your head & is much harder to hit than if it were surrounded by grass.
@@ghpjerry I played it with 40+ mph winds and the week after the tournament. So pretty much the same conditions that they played, maybe a bit slower greens, but not much
@@coeenc123 the 250 yd par three surrounded by water, I am blanking on the hole number, but that and the par five with the two long water hazards one on the left part of the fairway for the first half of the hole and then the other on the right side of the fairway the other half, that was a deadly hole
@@jeromecarlson9144 I don't think you realize how fast grass grows back. Playing 7 days after the tournament pretty much means the grass is back to the conditions it would normally be. That, and 40+ mph wind speeds would be causing structural damage to trees and small buildings. Yes, the week after the tournament might be a bit harder than you would normally find the course, but that doesn't mean it's on the pro-level.
3:27 ok I have to ask...how is this guy on the video....that was pretty awesome. I saw where hitting the ball wrong handed on a similar hole was supposed to be so spectacular and it was like a 50 ft putt.
What we learned:
If they want to make courses tougher, stop lengthening them and start adding rocks around the greens. Water is a nice touch, as well...
Pga golfer: yes! I am leading ! No17 hole: lets see about 😜
I played this course shot 90 very difficult
Is it the golfers or the hole?
They need to redo that hole
Love your vids, keep it up
Those are the holes that make you swear off ever playing again and selling your clubs. When golf is bad it's real bad....
I’ve played this hole. Was hitting it great all day, then hit 3 in the water. Something weird about this hole, definitely.
What’s the distance?
165
A hole like this should be 135 max (like tpc sawgrass 17th). 165 with how hard those greens are bouncing is a bit absurd. Some of those balls are landing 15 feet short of the pin and still going in the water. Not a fan of this hole.
They need to make the green smaller and leave a bigger sand buffer around it
Great title
Best place to buy cheaper golf balls after tournament
Pro golfer should be able to hit a green at 165 and keep it there. If it was 200+ then they can whine.
Shot tracer??
Oh boy! Fun to watch, but I feel for those guys…
since i use 5 iron to reach 165 yards, it seems impossible for my ball to stay on that green.
Im just happy to see the real golf and not the top 10 guys throwing darts.
That green was too firm. Hit at the stick in it bounces into the water. I feel that is a bit unfair.
"After the First World War, Shandor decided that society was too sick to survive. And he wasn't alone. He had close to a thousand followers when he died. They conducted rituals up on the roof, bizarre rituals intended to bring about the end of the world. They then changed their minds and instead created the 17th hole at the PGA West course."
Did you just drop a Ghostbusters reference on us?! +1 internet points. Would have been +2 if you had made a Caddy Shack reference instead.
Every tour event course should have a hole like this. I'd even like to see more than 1. Makes the game less boring to watch.
5:14 I can't believe someone named their kid Featured Hole
Wow...i thought that was joke. But yeah that's stupid.
Can you imagine the cracks in grade school thru high school thru now. 🤭🤣
This is a tough hole.
I know these guys are awesome but do they ever play provisionals?
Provisionals are for when your ball may be lost *outside of a water hazard* (or penalty area, now).
This is more evil than most Mario Golf courses.
Yellow? Why isn't that stripe red?
Welcome to La Quinta! LOL
To be fair… that No. 17 hole is pretty damn hard
Anyone have a 165 yard spin back flop shot in their bag? Geez!!!
They shouldve used a putter around green instead of flop shot
Hey Torey Pines, redesign this hole. Those rocks suck!
Need some rough to stop the ball.
I would have walked up to the tbox and looked at the pin and said NOPE.
If American Idol was a Par 3 hole.
When you can't think of anything but hoping your caddy crashes inflames to end it all the misery 0:28
That pond will eventually be filled to the top with golf balls
A weird shot for that circumstance is a putter. If you slam straight down it sometimes pops up. Idk if that would have worked, but just for peoples knowledge may help someone
I mean what's the point of this hole? Are we just picking the winner based on luck?
is it so hard , looks like a pro am event :D
It looked like they put a trampoline under the green. I want to know who said what to the greenskeeper the day before to make him so mad.
No they just hit bad shots
You saw the 10 bad shots that bounced off and not the 50 good shots that stayed on
A professional diver makes a fortune there after everyone is gone...
PGA Tour director of production: Video of the ball flying in the air with a sky backdrop is in no way useful to the viewers. The sky tracker is about the best option for providing ball trajectory. Also, a view from behind the hole with the sky tracker would also be much better than filming the ball in the sky. Point of reference is the only way people can see where the ball is going. 👍🍻🇨🇦
so has anyone put together an honest report showing how much water is wasted on keeping all the golf courses in desert states green and the amount of water wasted in man-made streams/creeks and ponds?California has placed restrictions on home water use including lawns and washing cars. have any of the desert states that have public fountains shut them off? if the streams are shut down they will still be hazardous. ..dry creek beds or ponds will make a golf course more entertaining while saving millions of gallons of water.
Yeah they need to give the course less water and have it play firm and fast. It's a much better course when even the pros have trouble stopping the ball