Every time I hear about Henry II, I think of the movie "The Lion In Winter," starring Peter O'Toole and Katherine Hepburn. This movie is beautiful and features an All-Star cast.
I think a very young Timothy Dalton (future James Bond) played John. I think Anthony Hopkins was also in the film, but I can't remeber if he played Richard or another son. Peter O'Tool also played Henry II oposite Richard Burton in Beckett.
Actually, Magna Carta was not forgotten or ignored. Article 42 gave Englishmen a huge advantage of movement, and the judicial reforms fundamental to English law.
Nice piece - but Eleanor of Acquitane deserves better than to be dismissively characterized as merely "infamous." She was an amazing person and a towering figure of her time. Do better by her...
You left out the fate of Geoffrey, who was very close to Philip of France and died in Paris and was buried in Notre Dame Cathedral. Geoffrey was the father of Arthur, John's rival for the throne and who was most likely murdered by John.
Richard and John were the last of Henry II's sons. I never heard anything else mentioned about Richard and John's brother Geoffrey? Geoffrey also died 3 years before their father in 1186. Prince Arthur was their brother Geoffrey's son as was John's niece,Eleonor.
*John was the 5th son- 4th surviving son. But without King John, we get no Henry III, & thus no Edward I "Longshanks" nor any of the other Plantagenet monarchs.
And by the way, regarding the Magna Carta. I would hardly call it infamous. Also saying the Magna Carta didn’t amount to much is way understating it’s importance. It might have been ripped up, but it was a foundational document regarding the rights of the Freeman of England, which in turn gave foundational principles regarding our own Declaration of Independence and constitution here in the United States.
Wrong, John caught dysentry while eating at swine....abbey. there being poisoned by a famous monk and chef, with monkshood, poison. His treasure which was lost in the wash,was later discover by some Welsh bowmen, who stripped the gold from the swards etc, and hid it, went on to oblivion in Wales, and never came back for the hoard the all the clever know alks say is Saxon treasure, Yes it is ,but its part of King Johns crown jewels, alot of which was saxon... Check it out.
Legitimate king, not really quite a tyrant. John had one surpassing vice which history turned into a virtue: He begat children. His time of death was just in time to deny Louis I of England his reign. Instead of continuing the conquest of England, Louis left after being paid off to agree that he had never been king. If only Richard III had the same ability to pay off Henry VII.
John's ancestral home was Anjou, not Normandy. The reason for so many supposed 'failures' of John, owed more to the lack of support by his leading barons. The kingdom was bankrupted by Richard's ransom, necessitating higher taxes. That's what John inherited. He was murdered by his army of foreign mercenaries. His valuables were divided up and he was buried at the cathedral of Saint Wulfstan. He'd become a couch-surfer in his own realm and could be replaced by a 9 year old who'd be easy to manipulate and control.
Very much if not in DNA but definitely in mind and spirit . Deeply disturbing but British history always play a long game and these people are normally disposed fairly abruptly .
@ittybittykittymama, Don't young lady I'm a direct descendant of his chief advisor. The way I see it, as long as your not listening to me, everybodies good.
All families are dysfunctional, some just more so than others... As much as we might hate the dysfunctionality of our families, they *probably* never started wars to kill the other branches of our family... Sounds like John would have been a prime candidate for the Jerry Springer Show... :(
It wasn't as awful as his brother Richard he didn't have to be ransomed for twice the annual English tax take. His mucking about led to Magna Carta and the clear limitation of Royal power, until the absolute Scottish Stuarts came along and plunged the country into civil war with parliament and the deaths of 10% of the people. Charles first was by far the worst King and deserved to lose his head due to stubborn tyranny. Quite funny to have a Scottish narrator on English and Welsh history.🏴🏴😊
Suggest you stick to the historians' convention of just calling the document "Magna Carta", without "the". Makes you sound very amateurish, which I'm guessing you are. Nevertheless apart from this and the numerous other mistakes, e.g. 'famous' not 'infamous' easy listening and a very pleasant voice.
Toeing the Barons' Line? Where would the Rights of Englishmen be if he hadn't signed the Magna Carta? The Barons didn't like him at all for doing that! I rather suspect this was an AI produced halucination, and not the first I've found on UA-cam.
Every time I hear about Henry II, I think of the movie "The Lion In Winter," starring Peter O'Toole and Katherine Hepburn. This movie is beautiful and features an All-Star cast.
I think a very young Timothy Dalton (future James Bond) played John. I think Anthony Hopkins was also in the film, but I can't remeber if he played Richard or another son. Peter O'Tool also played Henry II oposite Richard Burton in Beckett.
Watch Becket, then watch The Lion in Winter. Peter O'Toole played Henry in both movies.
Actually, Magna Carta was not forgotten or ignored. Article 42 gave Englishmen a huge advantage of movement, and the judicial reforms fundamental to English law.
I agree. The document was a start towards Parliamentary rule.
Yeah. That was a bizarre thing to say. The Magna Carta is one of the most important documents ever written.
@@burkanuck Nope the Declaration of Arbroath is.
Eleanor! "Infamous"! NEVER. One of the most amazing English queen-consorts in history!
Nice piece - but Eleanor of Acquitane deserves better than to be dismissively characterized as merely "infamous." She was an amazing person and a towering figure of her time. Do better by her...
He doesn't know what it means...he calls magna carta infamous 😂
SORRY - Magna Carta was not 'infamous' - look up what the word means - it is famous.
I believe they made that same mistake un Three Amigos. Magna Carta is in some ways the most important thing ever put to paper.
Or sheepskin
@@FrithonaHrududu02127 Vellum! Written in Gall.
From this first comment, I know enough to never watch these videos. How are people so dumb ?
Unless you believe in absolute monarchy and divine right of kings or are named Trump. 😁
The Magna Carta was definitely NOT infamous!
Lion In Winter shows just how dysfunctional this family was.
So you're saying it *wasn't* a guide to child-rearing? Well, darn..!
You left out the fate of Geoffrey, who was very close to Philip of France and died in Paris and was buried in Notre Dame Cathedral. Geoffrey was the father of Arthur, John's rival for the throne and who was most likely murdered by John.
Richard and John were the last of Henry II's sons. I never heard anything else mentioned about Richard and John's brother Geoffrey? Geoffrey also died 3 years before their father in 1186. Prince Arthur was their brother Geoffrey's son as was John's niece,Eleonor.
Thanks for the info.
*John was the 5th son- 4th surviving son. But without King John, we get no Henry III, & thus no Edward I "Longshanks" nor any of the other Plantagenet monarchs.
Maybe that would have been better.
Presumably, England will never have a "King John II".
But America has a near replica: Donald Trump.
I'm still available.
🤣
@@GregConquest that comment aged like milk 😂
@@megaduck7965 in only 25 minutes??
There is no history without dates, just tales.
It sounds as if King John was a sociopath.
King John was the dog that caught the car.
And by the way, regarding the Magna Carta. I would hardly call it infamous. Also saying the Magna Carta didn’t amount to much is way understating it’s importance. It might have been ripped up, but it was a foundational document regarding the rights of the Freeman of England, which in turn gave foundational principles regarding our own Declaration of Independence and constitution here in the United States.
@@Shea333-n3k He doesn't know what "infamous" means. Seems to conflate it with "famous".
John was portrayed in the newest Robin hood movie but there was alot left out of the story
These people sound more dysfunctional than the Borgia’s.
Makes you glad to be an average Joe.
Wrong, John caught dysentry while eating at swine....abbey. there being poisoned by a famous monk and chef, with monkshood, poison. His treasure which was lost in the wash,was later discover by some Welsh bowmen, who stripped the gold from the swards etc, and hid it, went on to oblivion in Wales, and never came back for the hoard the all the clever know alks say is Saxon treasure, Yes it is ,but its part of King Johns crown jewels, alot of which was saxon... Check it out.
King John was not a good man...he had his little ways. And sometimes no-one spoke to him for days and days and days.
The Christmas cards upon his shelf/ were never from his near and dear/ but only from himself" 😊
Obviously, "infamous" does not mean what you think it does.
Well, I guess a document like Magna Carta is infamous if you belong to a club of power-crazed tyrants.
Legitimate king, not really quite a tyrant. John had one surpassing vice which history turned into a virtue: He begat children. His time of death was just in time to deny Louis I of England his reign. Instead of continuing the conquest of England, Louis left after being paid off to agree that he had never been king. If only Richard III had the same ability to pay off Henry VII.
John's ancestral home was Anjou, not Normandy. The reason for so many supposed 'failures' of John, owed more to the lack of support by his leading barons. The kingdom was bankrupted by Richard's ransom, necessitating higher taxes. That's what John inherited. He was murdered by his army of foreign mercenaries. His valuables were divided up and he was buried at the cathedral of Saint Wulfstan. He'd become a couch-surfer in his own realm and could be replaced by a 9 year old who'd be easy to manipulate and control.
Sadly from what I have read, most of the entire english noble class wasnt worth the time of day.
Some things never change.
History repeats itself it kind of sounds like Justin Trudeau
I guess “The Lion in Winter,” (one of my favorites) got John right.
Did I miss something? What happened to Geoffrey?
Love the dry humor BTW.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_(archbishop_of_York) maybe close enough for you? it being wikipedia and all
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_II,_Duke_of_Brittany
King John.... Kingly aspirations of Donald John.... Coincidence?
The more I hear about the Kings of olde times the less there is to admire.
The Irish were hardly Rebels in their own country
He did his best, give the guy a break.
Thankyou ✨️
Great episode.
Re: the children. One of those noses does not look like the others. Hmm.
Kier starmer his natural successor?
Nigel?
Very much if not in DNA but definitely in mind and spirit .
Deeply disturbing but British history always play a long game and these people are normally disposed fairly abruptly .
I am a direct descendant of King John, to my shame and dismay.
Same. I think it's funny that my ancestor was a Disney villain.
Don’t be ashamed! It was a great Family! You are a part of a family that changed England!
You "direct descendant" crowd really make me laugh. Though I should be saddened by your gullibility and neediness.
Don’t believe you.
I'm not a direct descendant but I've had dysentery.
@ittybittykittymama,
Don't young lady I'm a direct descendant of his chief advisor.
The way I see it, as long as your not listening to me, everybodies good.
Why is the thumbnail a picture of a Middle-Eastern guy?
That's Oscar Isaac who played king John in the 2007 Robin movie. He has also played in many movies...star wars, Bourne identity, dune, and many others
Jew
@@boondocks8002 BBC--it figures.
I'm also the fourth son from a cloak and dagger dysfunctional family and named Jon. I dicked up my checking account
Why is Magna Carta infamous.
You should remove this ridiculous nonsense video.
He was pretty bad...almost as bad as DJT lol...
Lol. But true.
All families are dysfunctional, some just more so than others... As much as we might hate the dysfunctionality of our families, they *probably* never started wars to kill the other branches of our family... Sounds like John would have been a prime candidate for the Jerry Springer Show... :(
It wasn't as awful as his brother Richard he didn't have to be ransomed for twice the annual English tax take. His mucking about led to Magna Carta and the clear limitation of Royal power, until the absolute Scottish Stuarts came along and plunged the country into civil war with parliament and the deaths of 10% of the people. Charles first was by far the worst King and deserved to lose his head due to stubborn tyranny. Quite funny to have a Scottish narrator on English and Welsh history.🏴🏴😊
Suggest you stick to the historians' convention of just calling the document "Magna Carta", without "the". Makes you sound very amateurish, which I'm guessing you are.
Nevertheless apart from this and the numerous other mistakes, e.g. 'famous' not 'infamous' easy listening and a very pleasant voice.
King John: the 13th century's Donald Trump.
Was... Powerful word, that, eh, Chuck? Was the most hated king of England... Who'd take that title now, eh Chuck? Hmmm? SQUEAK UP Chuck..
John??? Trump???
King john looks puerto rican
Probably an illegitimate son of a Jew.
Toeing the Barons' Line? Where would the Rights of Englishmen be if he hadn't signed the Magna Carta? The Barons didn't like him at all for doing that! I rather suspect this was an AI produced halucination, and not the first I've found on UA-cam.
a POX on the PHONY KING of ENGLAND!