Make Cottage Cheese Two Ways With Taste Off!
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2024
- Like many things in the culinary world you can make Cottage Cheese at home using two different methods or recipes. In both cases the process involves acidifying the milk (either with bacteria and enzymes, or with straight acid) which curdles the milk.
How To Make Traditional ‘Old School’ Cottage Cheese:
The traditional process involves using ‘good’ mesophilic bacteria that convert lactose into lactic acid and rennet (an enzyme) that coagulate the milk into a solid block of curd.
This block of curd is then cut into cubes, and the whey is released.
Ingredients:
4L (1 gallon) whole 3.25% milk
125 mL (½ cup) live culture kefir - or 1 packet Mesophilic Starter Culture
8-10 drops liquid rennet
Method:
Slowly heat the milk in a heavy pot to 30ºC (86ºF).
Add the kefir and stir in well.
Mix the rennet into a ¼ cup of room temperature water, and then stir this into the milk.
Turn off the heat, cover and let sit undisturbed for 3-6 hours.
During this rest time try to keep the temp of the milk between 70ºF - 80ºF.
You will know when to move on to the next step - the milk will be solid, and will shrink away from the sides of the pot slightly.
Cut the curds - as I show in the video.
Slowly increase the temperature of the curds / whey to 45ºC-46°C (113ºF-115°F) and keep it a that temp for 30-45 minutes.
Drain the curds through a cheesecloth lined colander or sieve.
Squeeze out as much whey as possible, and then rinse thoroughly under cold water to remove any remaining whey.
Allow the curds to drain well, and dry out slightly.
You can salt the curds and mix with a little heavy cream before serving, or eat / use as is.
How To Make ‘Quick’ Cottage Cheese.
Ingredients:
4L (1 gallon) whole 3.25% milk
175 mL (3/4 cup) white vinegar
Method:
Heat the milk in a heavy pot to 50ºC (120ºF).
Stir in the vinegar, and turn off the heat.
Continue stirring for 1-2 minutes while the curd forms.
Cover and allow to sit undisturbed for 20-30 minutes.
Drain the curds through a cheesecloth lined colander or sieve.
Squeeze out as much whey as possible, and then rinse thoroughly under cold water to remove any remaining whey**.
Allow the curds to drain well, and dry out slightly.
You can salt the curds and mix with a little heavy cream before serving, or eat / use as is.
**You can now use this whey to make ricotta!
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A heating pad may be ideal for heating and maintaining the ideal (relatively low) temperatures for this project.
I know, right? So refreshingly ego-less too. Gotta love it.
So did I about 2 weeks ago. I'm hooked!
yo, I just did the same. thanks for the video, I like healthy old school rustic cooking
Milk in bags is fine, if quirky. 4L split into three portions? That's the real travesty!
Well, they do use liters at least xD
I'd totally forgotten about the milk in the bag thing, was so confused.
Don’t worry in Alberta we have milk in 4l jugs.
@@IrchaMan Which is pretty much global.
Yeah, why not four portions?
Glen, simply add salt to the milk as it's heating, and your flavor will be there. The whey liquid also works well in baked goods. By the whey (pun intended), I used rennet tablets that were pretty old and it was a major fail.
whey liquid can be used for which baked goods?
@@alphafish4756 I've used it to make bread in the past. It's especially good for soft breakfast rolls.
@@alphafish4756 Absolutely. Used a lot for really tasty fruit based drinks in Germany, too.
@@ethelryan257 yep, we make lemonade with it
Im just ripping through all your videos. Loving this channel more and more
I love your videos, thanks.
There is probably more home-made cottage cheese made in India than any other country on earth. Here’s the simple method used in millions of country households: no rennet, no cloth, no cutting required.
Get some raw unpasteurised milk (from the lady down the road who has a cow).
Get some curd starter from a neighbour (if you don’t have any leftover from the last time you did this). The curd starter has the bacteria in it.
Warm the milk until you cannot comfortably keep your finger in it (about 50ºC/120ºF).
Turn off the gas, add the starter, stir well, cover and let it sit overnight.
In the morning the milk will have curdled to a yoghurt consistency. Keep aside a few tablespoons of this as starter for next time and keep it in the fridge.
Reheat the curd to the same temperature. It will immediately separate into very firm curd solids and whey.
No cloth is required as the curds are quite solid, just use a fine sieve to drain the whey.
Done! You can consume the cottage cheese fresh as it is, or you can turn it into an even more amazing product. Just mix through salt to taste and let it sit covered in a bowl at room temperature for a few days until it smells like real cheese. The flavour is fantastic.
This sounds awesome, might try this and Glen's two approaches...
Exactly. One of the benefits of living the simple unsophisticated life in rural India.
I’ve also heard that keeping the whey is also a good idea. I also need to do more research in that area
I take 1 litre pasteurised milk with 250 gm home made curds and boil both together till it curdles.Then add 1/2 tsp lemon juice. And switch off heat. When it cools a bit, put the cheese cloth in a sieve, dump the curdled stuff, tie and hang till all whey drops in the bowl kept below - about 2 hours.No squeezing. Weigh the tied cheese and keep in a tilted pan till residue whey drains. Cut into yummy creamy squares. You can do the same with kefir. There will be more whey, is all. Every housewife does this in india. You can add sea salt and chopped mint/coriander/parsley etc before sieving and hanging the cheese if you want to eat just cheese cubes.
@Michael Persico That is only an issue if your dairy farm doesn't keep things clean.. Which now days isn't an issue as they even sterilize the cows teats before milking.
I’ve only had homemade cottage cheese once. It was in the late 1950s when my parents and I visited relatives in eastern Canada. I’ve never forgotten it-it was amazing!
I was literally eating store bought cottage cheese this morning and wondering how it was made. Then your video popped up in my recommendations, so thank you!
You could have incorporated the word "Ironic" instead of the overused word "literally". The English language thanks you.
You're a legend. In Victoria, Australia, we are having a cottage cheese shortage and I desperately need my fix!
Emily, I live there too. Is the cottage cheese shortage because of the drought and/or fires? I was trying to buy soured cabbage heads at the butchers, and they said they couldn't get any in because of the drought.
@@jonijoni1145 I'm honestly not too sure, something to do with the distributors. Such a strange and specific shortage
We don’t have any in north Qld. I made my own, vinegar version (Jaime Oliver cheats ricotta) and I’m not going back to store stuff. I want to try the other version this guy has too
Blessed are the cheesemakers.
I don't know how Daisy makes their cottage cheese but I can eat an entire 24oz tub in one sitting like it's nothing. I love it.
Daisy is my least favorite. I don't like how the curds are cut to uniform size. Breakstone is too creamy for me. I actually prefer the Walmart house brand. Best texture, great flavor, and best price.
im from kenosha, we have cheese products you've never heard of. We always buy cheese curds if we don't want to go thru that step.
When we got blah blah cottage cheese, we add curds and its amazing!
Daisy doesn't have a ton of unnecessary additives in the ingredients list. Neither does "good" brand which is very good but costs more.
Yes, & Costco has the has the 3lb tub😅
I like Prairie Farms it’s a local company here and super fresh.
For less grainy texture when using the vinegar method, don't use whole milk, use skim milk.
Also after rinsing add some sea salt and some half and half or cream and let it sit overnight in the fridge.
I cannot tell you enough how much I love your comparisons between “modern” social media versions of recipes and older or more tried and tested versions that might not have videos to go along with the recipes. The food science you explain behind all this is so wonderful and makes me think I should have studied that in school instead!
I make mine with solid rennet that I buy in Latin stores. Always reliable. Great video by the way, here from the US.
I think the rennet one will have more flavour if you give it some time for the lactobacillus to ferment it. If you do this you can add a little bit less rennet, because the lactic acid will help curd it. Tradtionally the curds were hung in the cheesecloth from the faucet.
My mother made a great, foolproof, cottage-cheese-like recipe for ages: 2L of buttermilk at 200F for 2 hours in an uncovered 9x13 casserole dish in the oven. Strain through a fine cheesecloth or clean kitchen towel. It comes out as a cross between ricotta and cream cheese. It's pleasantly spreadable, still has a little bit of graininess, very slightly tangy, and has only a tiny fraction of the fat as cream cheese.
That sounds good.
Did she use rennet? Vinegar?
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I love the idea of milk in a bag. Less landfill stuff and easy to handle
I make cottage cheese with rennet, and I agree it can be a little on the bland side. I stir in either whole milk cultured buttermilk or plain yogurt to make creamed cottage cheese, and that really adds a lot. Salt, too.
Good suggestions
I made homemade cheese ,for years. out of goat milk.The absoulty best buttermilk came from Centralstates dairy in Columbia Mo. I sent to a Vermont. Co for imported French lamb rennet. this brings back lots of good memories. The cheese chunks were soaked in a salt solution it never lasted long enough to fully ripen.
Ahhhh, Junket!!! Back in the '60's it was one of my family's regular desserts, with brown sugar sprinkled on top. It was also excellent if you had a sore throat, as it would slide down you throat in a very soothing way.
The way we do it on the farm is start with a gallon of fresh milk, heat the milk til around 180°, add 3 Tbsp fresh lemon juice and stir ‘til it separates. Pour through cheesecloth lined strainer. Once drained, put in a bowl with heavy cream and salt, as desired.
I think this is a better recipe than Glen’s. The temp makes a difference in how much milk protein coagulates. Also the cream and salt give it the flavor we are looking for. I think the lemon juice and vinegar can be used interchangeably.
I have seen recipes adding sour cream after, last time I made cottage cheese I put some double/heavy cream in at the beginning before the vinegar, it turned out to be one of my best but there was still cloudy milk in the whey at the end.
Great video! I know this is an oldie. After reading the comments section, I made cottage cheese the rennet way. Added 1 tsp of salt while cooking the second time and 1/2 cup of buttermilk after straining the whey. The cottage cheese is amazing and so easy! Thanks for all the work you do in your videos.
You deserve more views. Legit videos
Thank You!
Im from B.C. and this milk in a bag is blowing my mind. I have heard stories about milk in bags
Haha I thought it was cool too. I remember these bags in the 90s too, here in Alberta. The only other place I have seen milk in bags is in India. I wonder why central Canada didn't change this method and most of Canada turned to plastic jugs. Interesting 🤔.
i'm in BC (vancouver), we bought bagged milk when i was young. i think they switched to plastic jugs somewhere around 35 yrs ago. we also had the milk delivered in glass jars with the cream on top
i've just discovered this channel a few hours back and my absolute favourite part is the lovely lady that gives her opinions on at the end.
But big thank you for the class. I'm about to try my first batch!
Homemade Rennet From Nettles: If you’re “blessed” with a large patch of nettles somewhere in your neighborhood, you can easily gather enough for rennet-making. A pound of fresh leaves will make enough homemade rennet for 2 gallons of milk.
how do you so this? dry the nettles?
just as fair warning you have to know how and when to pick nettles because they are poisonous
@@danielroberts2012 yeah the older ones you have to watch out for. But if you get young plants and leaves they can be made into all kinds of food.
Anyone out there finds this check out the Wikipedia page and go to Uses
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urtica_dioica
It's a lot easier to go on the web and buy real Calf rennet. You'll get far superior results, and won't have to visit the doctor to get treatment for coming in contact with poisonous nettles...
I'm guessing you mean Stinging Nettles? If that's the one I'm thinking of.
I've found that cultured pasteurized buttermilk works fine when I've used it. I believe the milk is pasteurized, and then the culture is added afterwords in the ones I've used. I'm not entirely sure, I've never really looked into it, but it's always done the job when I've wanted to make cultured butter by adding some buttermilk to heavy cream and letting it sit overnight at room temp covered with a cheese cloth. I get creme fraiche, and then I put that into my mixer and go until the fat separates into butter.
I don't know how it is in other regions, but if you're in doubt, you can't go wrong by getting a packet of culture and hydrating it in some milk. I recommend using the packet method whenever possible, because while buttermilk can work and has worked for me when I've used it, the packets give you much more consistent results.
To get the curdling with vinegar, you have to boil the milk , literally rolling boil a couple of mins. Your whey will be as clear as the method with rennet
Kefir is an absolutely delicious refreshing drink. And very healthy too!
I could watch you make cheese for hours. You're like the Bob Ross of cheese making.
One of our chefs in America, Alton Brown, actually used the vinegar technique on what we have here that is called fat free milk or I think skim milk. He produced a lot more cottage cheese than what you got from regular milk.
You can also get milk in bags in scotland.. or they did have when i was growing up. i have not seen it recently though but i dont go much.
I usually add cottage cheese to my smoothies I’ll add fruit some water and blend or I’ll add almond butter spinach pineapple and banana with milk you never notice the flavor in the almond butter it has a strong taste that’s why I like to add it fruit and smoothies cause it is something good to add in your diet with the protein in it
I used to get my milk delivered in bags from a local dairy. That was in S. Carolina 40 years ago. Delicious
I so luuuuuv the experimenting on this channel! Opening the culinary and scientific worlds as well as helping become a little more self-sufficient!! 😎👍👍 At home we do 4 liters of whole milk with a liter of kefir and let it set up the kefir offers a better flavor. For a smoother flavor we use sour cream. Super job - as usual, Glen! Thank you!
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When it sets up it becomes cheese. Whole milk, kefir and lemon juice or vinegar. Heat it up, let it sit and set. Pour it into cheesecloth and wait for the whey to drain. I didn't realize you can boil the whey to get ricotta too! We use the whey for thin/crepe like pancakes, or bread.
The quick cheese can be made with apple cider vinegar and or lemon juice . I use half and half and use goat milk. Yummy
I miss the bags. Back in the 1980’s we had them in Michigan. Would love to get them again.
Awesome recipes and video my friend.
Thanks Ray - I know this one was a little long, maybe a little technique heavy. But hopefully someone will find it useful?
Interesting there’s no salt in it, maybe just a pinch would improve the flavor of your fave.
Indeed
Is salt absolutely needed? Before I knew I could make my own, I'd tried two different brands and liked better the one that didn't have a salty taste.
@@pafcaf you don’t need to add enough to make it taste salty. But salt brings out flavor.
Commercial cottage cheese is always WAY too salty.
Hello there! What do you think about letting a gallon of milk sit on the counter and let it separate in a couple of days on its own?
Because it often spoils.
You’re awesome glen. I love the trial concept of your videos. It’s very inspiring and I definitely learn something new from you every time. So many Americans must loose their minds when they see the milk in a bag but it makes sense to me, less plastic and waste than the traditional milk gallon jug. Wish I could buy bagged milk in the U.S.
Excellent vid. Best detailed info I’ve found on making cottage cheese. Thank you.
Great video. I'm going to make this now that I see it is so easy. I hate Canadian cottage cheese because half the container is snot. Western creamery has apparently stopped making their dry cottage cheese, And Michigan cottage cheese is 10 hours round trip to get, so I haven't got much choice but to make it at home
Many thanks for the presentation. I used Apple cider vinegar (That's what I had), I didn't rinse the C.C., to sour, BUT, I used the whey for bread, and it imparted a pleasant sourdough taste to the bread.
We call cottage cheese Paneer. Never knew it can be made from rennet. Will try! Also, maybe if you use more vinegar with a much higher temperature, you will get the clear whey and better yield. That's how I always make it.
so do you add vinegar when its simmering? whats your process like
@@alphafish4756 yup I add vinegar as it's simmering. Start a little and keep adding till the whey is clear enough for your liking. I tried diluting the vinegar prior to adding but it didn't really help viz. straight from the bottle.
Instead of vinegar try Alum (Potash Alum) to curdle the milk. It's always a better yield.
Milk in a bag, so Canadian!
*Eastern Canadian
We also have milk in a bag in South Africa
Try milk in an animal!
i remember bagged milk as a kid, it was in western canada until the early/mid 90s. we would snip the pouring corner larger then the back corner just a bit, to stop the milk from splashing out. we even had scheduled deliveries of milk bags to our front door step. twice a week i think? there was a 'no milk today' sign you could leave in your window if you were stocked and didn't need the morning delivery.
Milk in a bag is a commonwealth/colonies thing...
Here in Brazil we do have milk in bag as well. And the same plastic jug with no top/lid, to set the milk bag. The only thing that we do different is, we clip the 2 tips of the top of the bag, so the milk can go out and air goes in. The stream of milk goes out way better w/o the 2nd tip. Good video, cheers!
Can we use lemon juice instead of vinegar to achieve the curdling?
Y’all ever mix mandarins and cottage cheese? It is incredible.
Astral Apophis haven’t tried that yet but as a kid I LOVED applesauce and cottage cheese, so I’m sure that should taste pretty fire with orange flavor
No, but canned crushed pineapple with cottage cheese is sooooo good! I'll have to try mandarins.
Yea but have u put it to porridge? Its very good
Yum
@@jonijoni1145 love it with pineapple
Anyone that has ever listened to Oh Canada, by five iron frenzy knows that Canadians drink milk from a bag. Love your channel!
Back in the 70’s In Kentucky we use to get milk delivery in bags from Ehrler’s dairy. You bags of milk brings back good memories.
I love this guy!!! Wish we had milk bags here in Washington State. After the pandemic, all the milk in my local grocer is bad/off well before the "buy" or "best by" date.
I actually loved milk in bags, and the way you pour them using jug!!!❤️
We put a little cream or half and half into to ours when after draining the whey. It gives the cottage cheese a bit more creamy flavor.
We used to have milk in bags way back in the late 70's. I haven't seen milk in a bag until I found your channel.
We used to buy raw milk from a farmer and it came in glass gallon jars. It didn't take long to figure out that you needed a plastic or wooden utensil to stir the cream in as mom broke a couple of the jars.
I use the vinegar method for queso fresco. One US gallon and 8 to 10 fluid ounces of vinegar. I add lime and sea salt to the curds and form into a mold.
I'm not sure if they still do it but I grew up in Wisconsin and there was a convenience store called Kwik Trip that sold milk, oj, and water in bags. I pretty much grew up drinking bagged milk
So cool to watch😘I won’t eat this stuff as I have texture issues but I’m fascinated on watching you make everyday things at home Glen.Bingeing the channel today
I’ve only made the vinegar version, but I was very surprised to see the look of your leftover whey. When I made it I got considerably more cheese, and almost no proteins left over in the whey. Mine was clear yellow like you got with the rennet version. I’m wondering if it was something to do with the temperature of amount of acid.
Good point. I use that ratio, too, but lower temperatures. As I love the taste and am fine with the temperature and always use the whey, It doesn't matter to me that the yield is lower. It's by far the best flavor.
Of course, I do add salt and boy does that make a gigantic difference.
We have had milk in bags in Wisconsin since the early 80's. We had half pint bags at school you had to stab with a stiff pointy straw. Much fun was had in the cafeteria...
Really like this episode, will definitely watch the next episode. Thanks Glen👍🏻👍🏻
In argentina we do have / use milk in bags as well. We do have cardboard (tetra packs) and plastic bottles, but bags are the predominant way
I have a pasturing question for goats milk. In the 70's I buy goat milk from a local farmer. To pasteurize put in large stainless steel pot, slowly bring temperature where bubbles would form round edge. What temperature? Thanks.
watched this while eating store bought cottage cheese! Haha excited to try these two methods. Great video. I miss Neilson milk from back home
I learned this over 50 years ago- the vinegar based cottage cheese tastes enormously better than the Junket version.
It's also super fast.
I don't know why that is, but it is. By the by, I have found that the vinegar will do the job at lower temperatures if a bit slower. It seems the less time the whey is separating out, the better the taste and the fewer curds made.
Thanks! I used to do this all the time, think I'll go back to it.
I use a sous vide water bath for temperature control - it makes it very easy and precise- for my cheese making now.
I’m central Pennsylvania the schools serve milk in smaller plastic bags to students, plus you can buy the half gallon size and the pitcher in any grocery store.
I just waned to say that your videos are wonderful. I love to cook and you are my go to cook. Thank you
Very thorough instructions. Thank you.
Salt!! I think that might be why the rennet cheese didn't have too much flavour (assuming you didn't add any when you made it)!
my thoughts exactly,cottage cheese needs salt when you make it!!!
Peaches n cotrage cheese. My daily go too. As well as lays original chips dipped in cottage cheese. Thats my childhood favorite
We used to get milk delivered to the house in bags. It was the best milk ever. This was in KY in the early 80's, I haven't seen milk in a bag since until I saw this video today LOL
You can do ricotta if you heat the milk up to 200 and let it drip dry for about 12ish minutes. It's basically the same stuff. But I'm glad I know how to make this now, I love cottage cheese.
Perfect video. Subscribed!
We had milk in bags in the late
60s in Oregon. My mom loved it. Don’t know why it went away.
Awesome! I make my own kefir and never thought I could make cheese with it. I am going to try. Also, when you mentioned the milk bags I chuckled because I was thinking just that…milk bags?? Lol. Love your channel!
We also have milk in a bag in South Africa, didn't think it was weird till you mentioned there was a Reddit discussion about it. The 4 liters in a big bag is something we don't have though.
Love your channel!
(maybe the milk-in-a-bag is a Commonwealth member thing?)
9:06 Saving the whey for ricotta is great. I like to marinade, tougher cuts of beef in whey. It provides a much nicer flavor than any of the vinegar-based marinades, including wine.
I love you cooking videos, your accent and your milk in the bags, lol. I'm in the USA and our milk comes in quart, half-gallon and whole gallon jugs in the refrigerator section.
Milk in bags was a thing in the uk when I was young but don’t see it anymore. Very handy for freezing.
Thank you for answering the milk bag question first!
I have found I am turning to here first when I need a recipe.
Thanks for the effort you put into the research and the video quality.
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Hmmm in Central NC have a tiny (personal size) cultured butter milk that is awesome. I seed quart jars with it and there are soon bubbles ... got to be NC -- live!) I use that or the home converted cultured buttermilk. I let it sit overnight and it firms up on its own (or it doesn't) 18 hours with a little rennet after an hour of incubation. Its decent but I dont get large curds ... maybe if I heat after the initial setup ...
We also have milk in bags in Suriname which is in South America.
I live in the Netherlands, we just have milk in cartons and jugs here.
This was just what I was looking for! I bought the culture and the rennet, but people kept saying to use vinegar as it's easier... You've won me around to the rennet version, especially since I bought organic milk to make it and really want to get the health benefits.
KwikTrip in gas stations in WI. MN, IA also have milk in bags.
I make vinegar cottage cheese, both soft and compressed(paneer) the paneer is a great frying cheese. I always end up with a clear-ish wey with that sort of greeny tinge. If it does not go clear with the first application of vinegar, I just put in more vinegar. So I think you did not use enough vinegar. I usually use white wine vinegar. You can also use lemon juice, but the result is not as consistent.
True, though lemon juice does work if you go to a slightly higher heat. I try to keep the milk as close to 32C as possible and that works with vinegar, have to go above 40C with lemon juice, at least in my notes from over fifty years ago when I learned both methods in Germany.
Really happy to find your channel, so many other cooking channels just hit the hows and don't really think about the whys or whatifs at all, this is fantastic. Also, howdy from the Ozarks, not everyday my hood gets a shout out!
Interesting, also in Peru they sell in bags and boxes. Evaporated milk in cans.
Thank you so much for showing the ancient recipe!
Love it! Been binging a bunch of vids and watching the milk bags in disbelief. And you bring it up just as I was about to comment. Im from Sweden and view Canada as a country thats close to us coulture vice. But this bag thing good sir is a gamechanger.
This is gonna blow your mind then...we have dispenser boxes that we put in the fridge and they hold all three bags laying one on top of the other, kind of like one of those pop can dispensers for the fridge. That's right....to save space and to protect the bags, we remove the three bags from the outer bag and then put them into a plastic box.
We also have that in Southern Africa... Lesotho, South Africa...
Here in the states, milk comes in bags for some food service applications. I notice your buttermilk is in a conventional carton. How about alternative milks?
In India, many people make home made indian cottage cheese called paneer by putting lemon juice in almost boiling milk and then bringing it to a boil. The whey left over is pretty transparent and the flavor is wonderful, though the texture is more chewy than creamy.
So glad I've found your channel!
BTW Milk in plastic bags was a response to plastic milk jugs being introduced on a widespread basis in North America in the 70's. When the jug was washed by the dairy after its initial use, the hot water caused it to shrink. Unscrupulous distributors filled the now smaller jugs bearing labels with the original volume. The one use plastic bag was the industry's response addressing the issue.
I lived in Africa for a year, the milk there comes in bags. I personally think it’s a wonderful idea!
Make ricotta l wish if l get the 3 recipes to added the milk and measures.seem that very good demo and choose the best quality.
I'm glad you touch the topic of milk in bags. I were just watching in disbelief here :-)
The taste test at the end is wonderful and informative.