The Haydn Organ is a fascinating piece of music and history. The market organ looks very cool, but I think I know now where the expression "grind on one's ears" came from! So happy Music Machine Mondays are back! I really missed the series.
This has been such a treat, this series. Thank you so much for sharing not only your musical talent with the world with the wonderful marble machine, but this museum which inspired you. You would make the most phenomenal music teacher ever! Many thanks and God bless you from Texas...
Wonderful! I have an LP (Candide CE 31093, 1974) with even older "recordings". E.g., More Haydn, from clocks of 1792 & 1793 (Niemecz) Small plucked Keyboard (Ottavino) from 1640(!!!) An earlier Niemecz Haydn clock from 1772 is also mentioned in the liner notes. Remarkable musical documents all around...
We grew up with an original gavioli at our actual seaside fairground, it was so good, when you're 10 is a miracle And it wasnt the only fairgrounds organ there! It's known at the Southsea Gavioli. After the sea air had finished eating it alive (yep) it was restored and lives at the Great Dorset Steam Fair.
Those of you saying Hayden is bad you have to remember that this was recorded over almost 200 years ago and in the same way video quality will make or break a channel audio quality will do the same I am a vocalist and he is just as good of not better than some of us are and that was almost 200 years ago which is an INCREDIBLE feat.
Humanly unplayable music. Makes me think of that appegiator from that little synth in the track "Valentine". We are still fascinated by the same stuff today.
No mention of William Malloch - Or, did I miss it? When I met him in '64 he was established in Los Angeles as a composer, musician, musicologist, had a weekly program on KPFK and was artistic director of the Ojai Music Fesitival. But, the relevant fact here is that he spent a lot of time traveling in Europe studying musical clocks or music boxes for the purpose of establishing the intended tempo of various music of past eras. I think his work resulted in restoration of many such mechanical devices, possibly he was directly involved in that work. He then recorded some great versions of well known pieces making use of the knowledge, one of which was the Bach orchestral suites. Malloch died about 1996. I have to assume his research was published somewhere.
I was inspired to visit this place in Utrecht just from these Video's and was lucky to get a tour from Joost himself. A great afternoon out. And cool to see Marble Machine up close.
"Vampires have a lot of money... they live for a long time." Until now I never considered the SIGNIFICANT long term financial benefits of holding a savings account as a vampire.
For the market organ, I think the idea is they would play it, and if you went to the stand and bought something, they would stop playing it for a bit :-D
Brant Wedel Actually some of the early small street organ grinders who did not maintain their instruments so well had the same idea... they would stay and play somewhere until someone paid them to move away! This, of course, contributed towards the negative image of organ grinders.
This is fascinating! The piece is the 3rd movement of Haydn's Symphony No 101. Its nickname is "The Clock", and I'm guessing that's no accident for a "clock organ". Joost mentioned six other available "tracks" --- I bet one of them was the famous 2nd movement, with its steady ticking rhythm, which gave the symphony its nickname! In the matter of "music recording", perhaps we should define our terms. In a way, a music score is a recording of the music. These devices and piano rolls are recordings of performances of music. The phonograph gave us recordings of the sound of performances.
In 1986, the record company Erato published an LP of recordings of a barrel organ from the 18th century. The evidence is conclusive that the organ reproduced exactly the playing of John-Christopher Smith (1712-1795), who was Handel's closest assistant and his successor as organist at the "Foundling Hospital." There are two of Handel's Organ Concerti on this record, plus several smaller pieces of Handel's, as well as some English folk songs. It stands to reason that these barrel organ pieces were made while Handel was still popular -- who would buy such an expensive mechanical invention to play music that was no longer in fashion? So perhaps these organ recordings really predate the Haydn. In any case, I have this LP, and can testify that the style of playing is high baroque with a great deal of ornamentation.
When I first heard the pipe music I thought 'Well ain't that a mean little ditty!?' thinking that they totally rocked out to it. I then realised I needed to slow the video down as watch a lot of things at 1.25x to cram more viewing in haha. It's got a savage rhythm at 1.25x speed tho. Could do with an 808 drum loop to underpin it's power!
Yeah there is more going on with that rhythm than I can understand. It reminds me when I saw a docu, and also a lecture and demo, of how early german dances were lost as a living tradition, but some of the rare forms are still preserved as a living tradition that is being used today in Mexican music. Living in TX, I hear that a lot on the radio, and that is definitely what the rhythm and even inflection and style reminds me of.
There was another player recorder machine made by Faber in England which also played Hayden and was seen and heard by Chopin personally who writes the following in 1846: "À propos of inventions, here is ... Mr. Faber, in London (a professor of mathematics), a mechanician, has exhibited a very ingenious automaton, which he calls Euphonia, and which pronounces fairly clearly not one or two words, but long sentences, and, still more surprising, sings an air of Hayden and 'God save the Queen'." (Chopin's letter Sunday, 11 October 1846)
Haydn wouldn't have been present during the pinning process as that could have taken over a week! It is conceivable that he would have listened to the resulting music and given his approval. If he hadn't he may not have been paid.
As a classical musician and lover of classical music and history I feel I should be focusing on the organ. Handsome Joost is, unfortunately, making that very difficult.
Something I cant wait for is... Another series of you exploring weird and wonderful musical instruments. This is an underrated series. Wrap them up and
Those musicologists who suffer from extreme cognitive dissonance and those who are used to 19th century "gemütlich" interpretations of classical minuets.
Please play/record the Winkel cylinder organ shown in the background at 8:07, in the white cabinet with the arched windows. That’s my favorite instrument in the entire museum, and I think the musical arrangements are fantastic and truly evocative of the classical music era. The rubato is so wonderful. The track on the museum CD of it playing the "Magic Flute" music by Mozart is so wonderful.
I have one request: PLEASE play / record the Winkel cylinder organ shown in the background at 8:07, in the white cabinet with the arched windows. That’s my favorite instrument in the entire museum, and I think the musical arrangements are fantastic and truly evocative of the classical music era. The rubato is so wonderful. The track on the museum CD of it playing the "Magic Flute" music by Mozart is so wonderful and right up there with the Steinway Duo-Art playing "That Old Gang of Mine", and the Mortier playing "Temptation Rag".
The only video of it I've found is titled "freule.wmv" and is a short excerpt of a lightening fast virtuousic piece, great, but to me not as cool as that other arrangement.
0:40 & 5:30 Haydn music on clock organ, built 1793 by Primitivus Niemecz. 7:21 Cocci Barrel organ, Berlin 1880-1915 circa, with 8 melodies. The "car horn" register and tin whistles can be turned off. Same music is then played on wooden pipes, like the Haydn organ, which most people find more enjoyable. But to say that this is a "simple/vulgar" instrument is surprising. It sounded much better when it was new, and the making of the barrel, before pinning, was as complicated as building a violin. It is glued by several pieces of wood, so that the wood will not twist one millimeter in 500 years. Like with violins (and music boxes), this was the minimum planned lifetime. This barrel/cylinder cost about as much to make as the rest of the instrument, and will not deform like the Haydn one. From around 1880 a barrel organ with 10 melodies were played in Stockholm by the famous couple Djurgårds-Kalle & Emma. After playing the same melodies for more than 55 years, they wanted other music, but could not afford a second barrel. Thus the cylinder was sent to Denmark, where all the pins of the old music were pulled out, and 10 new melodies were nailed in. Unfortunately the job was not as well done as with the first arrangements. Som pins would touch into wrong melody. And the two got depressed, when people again wanted to hear the familiar old melodies, to which the old couple had used to sing. Every person in Stockholm born before 1930, that I met, had heard this barrel organ couple.
That museum dude loves what he's doing, happy for him
He seems like a really cool bloke to take a beer with as well! I'd love to meet him 😅
Had the same thought. Hope that for me too !!
Amazing how much tech there actually WAS in the 1700s. Kind of blows my mind honestly.
That museum guide has the most wonderful job on earth!
He's bored
I like how you can see how proud Joost is of the music box!
The Haydn Organ is a fascinating piece of music and history. The market organ looks very cool, but I think I know now where the expression "grind on one's ears" came from! So happy Music Machine Mondays are back! I really missed the series.
This has been such a treat, this series. Thank you so much for sharing not only your musical talent with the world with the wonderful marble machine, but this museum which inspired you. You would make the most phenomenal music teacher ever! Many thanks and God bless you from Texas...
The Curator of Spelklok Museum is fantastic. Also, 5 seconds after he started playing the bad machine my dog left the room :)
The heavens have opened up once again! Can't wait to see you in dallas!
I missed you :') Welcome back Wintergatan
what a pleasant way to awaken..to hear that
I am really happy to have your videos back... I missed it...
Quite incredible. The upper bellows act as the storage vessel, like bagpipes. A beautiful piece.
Yay! So glad for my Wintergatan fix. 😻😻😻
WTF is a Wintergaten?
Schwallex + me misspelling. Thanks for bringing it to my attention
@@Maeglin7936 and gave us presents!
I'm amazed he was able to resist leaning on that priceless piece of musical history.
Wonderful! I have an LP (Candide CE 31093, 1974) with even older "recordings". E.g.,
More Haydn, from clocks of 1792 & 1793 (Niemecz)
Small plucked Keyboard (Ottavino) from 1640(!!!)
An earlier Niemecz Haydn clock from 1772 is also mentioned in the liner notes.
Remarkable musical documents all around...
Could you tell us the name of the recording so we could try to search for it?
It’s been a while, man. Good to see you again!
Thank you for providing us with such interesting videos! :)
Please!! Makes more music!! Your music is literally enabling me to pass my classes, it is amazing!
Does that mean that we'll get a new video about MMX on Wednesday? :)
Most likely.
Let's hope so, I'm pretty excited :D
Me too, verry excited on MMX than this.
no
No :-(
Nice! Have been waiting for this! Welcome back.
A tie, Love how you to get along and become friends and show the spirit of "I want to make all this knowledge digital for next 2-3 decades"
That's it, a new vid I've been waiting for!
That grimmace at 7:37. Perfection.
An unending torture.
The uncertainty in his eyes
YAY! Welcome back and thanks for another interesting Monday video.
07:20- that's basically a tiny version Gavioli fairground organ. Those tiny trumpets might not be to everybody's taste, but they have character!
We grew up with an original gavioli at our actual seaside fairground, it was so good, when you're 10 is a miracle
And it wasnt the only fairgrounds organ there!
It's known at the Southsea Gavioli.
After the sea air had finished eating it alive (yep) it was restored and lives at the Great Dorset Steam Fair.
(those tiny trumpets are very much to my taste although they could do with a good tuning and, they sound reeded? New reeds)
Joosts laugh at 8:10 was the most adorable thing ever
Yeah. You don't see a Dutchman do that too often, that's for sure....
And you know it's because he's heard what Martin's talking about LOL
Those of you saying Hayden is bad you have to remember that this was recorded over almost 200 years ago and in the same way video quality will make or break a channel audio quality will do the same I am a vocalist and he is just as good of not better than some of us are and that was almost 200 years ago which is an INCREDIBLE feat.
Great to see a new video!
I loved it! Thanks for the share! Cheers to you from Oregon! I especially like your music and mixes! (And yes) what an exhilarating tempo.
That's awesome you guys restored that! What strange music they liked back then...
Good to see you back
Humanly unplayable music. Makes me think of that appegiator from that little synth in the track "Valentine". We are still fascinated by the same stuff today.
That poor market organ sounds as if it needs a lot of love.
Thank you Wintergatan for your astonishing, unique musicality and equally rare mechanical genius. You are in the league of artistic immortals.
Even if my train is too late for over half an hour I‘m happy because I‘m watching this!!
No mention of William Malloch - Or, did I miss it? When I met him in '64 he was established in Los Angeles as a composer, musician, musicologist, had a weekly program on KPFK and was artistic director of the Ojai Music Fesitival. But, the relevant fact here is that he spent a lot of time traveling in Europe studying musical clocks or music boxes for the purpose of establishing the intended tempo of various music of past eras. I think his work resulted in restoration of many such mechanical devices, possibly he was directly involved in that work. He then recorded some great versions of well known pieces making use of the knowledge, one of which was the Bach orchestral suites. Malloch died about 1996. I have to assume his research was published somewhere.
Yiiiee, I missed you. Welcome back!
What a privilege to be able to experience (as much as possible) manuscript recording of one of the great masters of music!
Yeeey you are back
Awesome love that Museum, wish I could visit. Maybe Someday. Thanks for the videos.
Astounding! An engineering miracle 220 years ago. Thanks for this posting.
I was inspired to visit this place in Utrecht just from these Video's and was lucky to get a tour from Joost himself. A great afternoon out. And cool to see Marble Machine up close.
Listening to that Haydn machine kinda gave me goosebumps. It sounded very nice :)
"Vampires have a lot of money... they live for a long time." Until now I never considered the SIGNIFICANT long term financial benefits of holding a savings account as a vampire.
I thought of the benefits of being a vampire as a musician/artist ever since I saw that Tom Cruise movie ...INTERVIEW W/ A ....
For the market organ, I think the idea is they would play it, and if you went to the stand and bought something, they would stop playing it for a bit :-D
Brant Wedel Actually some of the early small street organ grinders who did not maintain their instruments so well had the same idea... they would stay and play somewhere until someone paid them to move away! This, of course, contributed towards the negative image of organ grinders.
This is fascinating!
The piece is the 3rd movement of Haydn's Symphony No 101. Its nickname is "The Clock", and I'm guessing that's no accident for a "clock organ". Joost mentioned six other available "tracks" --- I bet one of them was the famous 2nd movement, with its steady ticking rhythm, which gave the symphony its nickname!
In the matter of "music recording", perhaps we should define our terms. In a way, a music score is a recording of the music. These devices and piano rolls are recordings of performances of music. The phonograph gave us recordings of the sound of performances.
Yay! You're back!
Great video, glad you're still going!
P. S. Just spotted a little Limonaire fairground organ at 0:25 in the background!
Yes, finally I was waiting for it
Yay, you're finally back :)
Woo-hoo, Martin's back!
In 1986, the record company Erato published an LP of recordings of a barrel organ from the 18th century. The evidence is conclusive that the organ reproduced exactly the playing of John-Christopher Smith (1712-1795), who was Handel's closest assistant and his successor as organist at the "Foundling Hospital." There are two of Handel's Organ Concerti on this record, plus several smaller pieces of Handel's, as well as some English folk songs. It stands to reason that these barrel organ pieces were made while Handel was still popular -- who would buy such an expensive mechanical invention to play music that was no longer in fashion? So perhaps these organ recordings really predate the Haydn. In any case, I have this LP, and can testify that the style of playing is high baroque with a great deal of ornamentation.
When I first heard the pipe music I thought 'Well ain't that a mean little ditty!?' thinking that they totally rocked out to it. I then realised I needed to slow the video down as watch a lot of things at 1.25x to cram more viewing in haha.
It's got a savage rhythm at 1.25x speed tho. Could do with an 808 drum loop to underpin it's power!
Yeah there is more going on with that rhythm than I can understand. It reminds me when I saw a docu, and also a lecture and demo, of how early german dances were lost as a living tradition, but some of the rare forms are still preserved as a living tradition that is being used today in Mexican music. Living in TX, I hear that a lot on the radio, and that is definitely what the rhythm and even inflection and style reminds me of.
I LOVE Music Machine Mondays!
7:45 “honey the geese are dying again”
Back on track. Cool stuff! Thanks!
Amazing, thanks for showing.
There was another player recorder machine made by Faber in England which also played Hayden and was seen and heard by Chopin personally who writes the following in 1846:
"À propos of inventions, here is ... Mr. Faber, in London (a professor of mathematics), a mechanician, has exhibited a very ingenious automaton, which he calls Euphonia, and which pronounces fairly clearly not one or two words, but long sentences, and, still more surprising, sings an air of Hayden and 'God save the Queen'." (Chopin's letter Sunday, 11 October 1846)
Haydn wouldn't have been present during the pinning process as that could have taken over a week! It is conceivable that he would have listened to the resulting music and given his approval. If he hadn't he may not have been paid.
Long time no see,it's really good to be back.
Long time no see!! ;)
Man I love these videos
As a classical musician and lover of classical music and history I feel I should be focusing on the organ. Handsome Joost is, unfortunately, making that very difficult.
The speelklok museum really has really competent guides :-)
I remember playing that 220 years ago. Good times.
I wonder what Joost showed Martin in that box...
Maybe it's Marcellus Wallace's soul?
Maybe the pin cylinder ..?
^ this cimment
I think it were the organ pipes.
The small man he keeps in there to play all the instruments.
Something I cant wait for is... Another series of you exploring weird and wonderful musical instruments. This is an underrated series. Wrap them up and
Absolutely nobody:...
UA-cam at 3am: 7:32
Loved the second one 🎉☺️ And to my taste as well the Haydn piece seemed a bit too fast ... and I was happy about the explanation!
Estatic to know that there is a new video ! :D
Amazing Work of reconstruction!
Yay! You have been missed!
Ik hou van Nederland en Haydn ook! Fantastisch!
Just noticed the dogbone fillets in the background. 👌 Such an underrated feature.
That’s so cool!!
That is awesome!
Its not a recording! but a interpretation by an instrument played like the composer likes!
Joost ist just the cutest 😍
This was awesome to see
I love this so much
Insane!
What musicologist said this was too fast?! It's written Minuet Allegretto. It's a very appropriate tempo.
Those musicologists who suffer from extreme cognitive dissonance and those who are used to 19th century "gemütlich" interpretations of classical minuets.
Please play/record the Winkel cylinder organ shown in the background at 8:07, in the white cabinet with the arched windows. That’s my favorite instrument in the entire museum, and I think the musical arrangements are fantastic and truly evocative of the classical music era. The rubato is so wonderful. The track on the museum CD of it playing the "Magic Flute" music by Mozart is so wonderful.
Well done!
That's great!!!
New vid :D
beatiful i love it
Wonderful piece of music history 🎼 ❤
YOU’RE BACK! FUCK YEA!
I woud like if we had to study about these instruments ans machines at school
Nice to see you back. I think the market organ would sound better with 'The Dance of the Cuckoos'; especially a reggae version.
I have one request: PLEASE play / record the Winkel cylinder organ shown in the background at 8:07, in the white cabinet with the arched windows. That’s my favorite instrument in the entire museum, and I think the musical arrangements are fantastic and truly evocative of the classical music era. The rubato is so wonderful. The track on the museum CD of it playing the "Magic Flute" music by Mozart is so wonderful and right up there with the Steinway Duo-Art playing "That Old Gang of Mine", and the Mortier playing "Temptation Rag".
The only video of it I've found is titled "freule.wmv" and is a short excerpt of a lightening fast virtuousic piece, great, but to me not as cool as that other arrangement.
0:40 & 5:30 Haydn music on clock organ, built 1793 by Primitivus Niemecz. 7:21 Cocci Barrel organ, Berlin 1880-1915 circa, with 8 melodies. The "car horn" register and tin whistles can be turned off. Same music is then played on wooden pipes, like the Haydn organ, which most people find more enjoyable. But to say that this is a "simple/vulgar" instrument is surprising. It sounded much better when it was new, and the making of the barrel, before pinning, was as complicated as building a violin. It is glued by several pieces of wood, so that the wood will not twist one millimeter in 500 years. Like with violins (and music boxes), this was the minimum planned lifetime. This barrel/cylinder cost about as much to make as the rest of the instrument, and will not deform like the Haydn one. From around 1880 a barrel organ with 10 melodies were played in Stockholm by the famous couple Djurgårds-Kalle & Emma. After playing the same melodies for more than 55 years, they wanted other music, but could not afford a second barrel. Thus the cylinder was sent to Denmark, where all the pins of the old music were pulled out, and 10 new melodies were nailed in. Unfortunately the job was not as well done as with the first arrangements. Som pins would touch into wrong melody. And the two got depressed, when people again wanted to hear the familiar old melodies, to which the old couple had used to sing. Every person in Stockholm born before 1930, that I met, had heard this barrel organ couple.
This is SO cool! I never knew Haydn did anything like that! And he worked for vampires?? Well, even if he didn't that is still amazing!
I'm really sure he sprays spit all over the exhibit at the end while laughing :D
It's just amazing that this device is made in 1790s!
The second instrument is a prototype Muppet Organ!
Hope you are well and happy in your new home, Martin.
Merci !
Sweet! :)
And that lower class organ at the end...LLLOOLLL!!! XD not that I can make one any better but still LLLOOLLLL!!!
omg the original doot box!!!
My kind of museum. They had no problem making it playble instead of putting it under glass like other museums.