Logic amps are good for vintage tones but seem to lack on modern metal stuff (they're all too harsh); but using Ignite Nadir cab sim instead of the Logic cabs improves things a lot
@@CRASS2047 I'll tell you one thing as far as the bedroom production is concerned, I for one am definitely getting sick of all the 'metal' riff salad we're getting on the internet lately. It seems every aspiring guitar player is trying to get that 'heavy' sound so everything they do has become so homogenized , lacking in any sort of dynamics, .. drums squished, guitar chugging squished, annoying wanky doodle leads squished,.. with everyone seemingly copying and pasting everything else everyone else is doing. The drums all sound the same, the distortions all sound the same, and the 'Cookie Monster' vocals all sound the same.... It's sooooooo damned boring. None of them could write a song to save their life.
Thank you for making this video. I was doing re-amping, and I found that all the time and trouble spent re-amping, made the guitar sound just A LITTLE BIT better than using Logic's plug-ins when placed on the original track.
Thank you for this video. It just filled a HUGE knowledge hole I had. Although I've been playing guitar casually since the mid 90s it was only in 2019 that I got my first interface and slowly taught myself Garageband and now Logic. Instant sub from me!
Great video. One thing I do differently which I would certainly recommend trying is using a direct send to aux channels rather than fx sends. It seems to reflect the real world more closely to me. The way I do it is to create two (or more) aux channels and set the inputs of each of those to your audio input channel. This automatically creates a patch bus. I then add whatever amps, effects are required in pretty much the same way that you do. If I want to create a multi-mic type sound, I setup further sub-busses from these aux channels and add Space Designer on each of these with IR cabs, again as required.
I am getting this program this week and this is the most helpful video I found so far!! Thank you!! Also - that lead line was BEAUTIFUL!!! Incredibly melodic my dude! Definitely saving this video to favorites!
Fantastic Video! I'm new to Logic (coming from years of working in pro tools) and also using software based amp design. You made it easy to understand. I'm definitely adding this into my workflow. Thanks for posting!
Thank you! I generally used to run two amps in stereo live. It will be interesting to set this up tomorrow and enjoy that big clear sound without needing to control the acoustic environment.
You just made my life 100 times better! And you saved me hundreds of dollars, cause this was just what I needed for the tones i was looking for! 😄 Thank you!
Refreshing to see a guitarist handle Logic Pro X. You can feel the difference in what you search for in a guitar sound. Although you probably are good at other instruments and composing also ;)
Jo Seabony hey man a great trick to EQ A acoustic guitar is to use EQ carving if you don’t know what that is I made a video on my channel about it it let’s you take to guitar tracks and make them even wider in your mix to create more space I do all kinds of mixing and recording tips on my channel
Great video. A good lesson for beginners like me to understand how sends and busses work, what a summing stack is, how to create Aux tracks, how to select and adjust effects, etc. Thanks
In the 15 some odd years I've been working with Logic, Ive spent more time trying to get a nice, somewhat clean full slightly distorted sound with a rich full body, you my friend, have shown me what Ive been looking for, for over 15 years, and then some. Can I do the same without having a pre-recorded track? I would imagine so.
wow thank you :) well, yes definitely can work with realtime audio, in fact since logic even offers you the choice of “guitar/bass track”, my guess is that the amp designers in this preset aren’t cpu expensive at all.
Great tutorial! I'm coming back to it for a refresher as I used this video a lot over the summer. Can you tell me how to save the whole stack as a pre-set?
I use a distortion guitar pedal into a direct amp and use a cabinet with that electro-voice re20 look alike mic for my tone. Sounds awesome! Sounds a lot better than my combo spider amp.
Thank you so much man!!! great video !! awesome tone.. kind of remind me Eric Johnson tones and vibes.. awesome!!!! Please make more video like this, more tones and stuff !!
great method! how can you save the stacked pre + amp 1 + 2 as a pre set? when i try and save it as a channel strip setting it doesnt save the stack? thanks!
I had to save the Pre channel strip setting and then save Amp 1 and Amp 2 as separate bus channel settings. Not sure if there's a way to save the entire track stack.
Hey man great amp tones and great guitar playing also I do a lot of mixing and recording tips on my channel if you need any tips on mixing I got them and also keep recording and making great music cause your doing a great job man
I tried and replied your very settings and it sounds amazing!Thanks again. If you don't mind, can you give me a tip how export/bounce this track stack? I had a poor-cheap-radio effect bouncing it as I usually do. Thanks again
This is an interesting way to work, but of course you can put a compressor, noise gate, EQ, etc., before the Amp Designer, and delays, etc, after it on the same track.
Thanks for Sharing this tips ! I really like the idea with the 2 mics setup BUT: 1) I wouldnt use the compressor to gain up. But rather: go to the inspector (press "i")> regions> gain and crank it up. Why ? cause you were compressing already 5db so already remove some dynamics, if we consider that a D.I has dynamics.. :) 2) I guess its not necessary to create 2 tracks: you just have to keep your channel to the stereo output (or your guitar bus) and send to an aux. it will be the same as you did. Very good sound at the end thought !!
Thank you for commenting. Although I still support the compressor. My goal is to add some 'meat' at the lower volumes without actually cranking up the peaks. (there is still plenty of dynamics to make a colorful tone).I shouldn't take credit for that of course. Passing a compressor after a DI signal is a pretty common practice in the industry. It's a neat trick that really helps the guitar sit in a mix :) As for the nested channel - You're right. It's mostly to be able to save a single preset in a single group channel, but you can do perfectly without.
@@Tune4media I see, I did today with a preamp 73 from arturia (but the console Eq of logic would do the same) and a compressor vintage (Klanghelm MUJC) to have some coloration and i found it interesting to add meat and coloration
@@EstudioSalaSecreta I'll try to abstract it: You have a TRACK, you send it to 2 different AUX's. Now your TRACK input is sending its signal to 2 different tracks. And then, you send these 2 AUX tracks to yet another AUX (a BUS if you will), now you have a 'master track' that gets the input of 2 AUX tracks that are being fed by a single AUDIO-TRACK Hope that helps :)
It's not. The truck "pre" is my actual guitar signal track. This is the track on which the guitar is being recorded (So it's without any amp simulation). Then, this track is being sent to 2 bus tracks and each bus/aux track is loaded with an amp designer.
tune4media so what would you select when you start a new tune on logic? Would you just choose audio? Or guitar or amp? Or midi? Sorry I’m pretty new to logic
Awesome! Because I don't love the tone of the Logic amps (which are really just Garageband amps, right?) So I just spent $100 on Nueral DSP Cory Wang's new plug in (which sounds great), but I would have paid YOU 50 bucks for a template like this. So nice to see that you can get great tone with stock plugins. Thanks!
Every time I look at 3rd party plugins I come across a video like this, which clearly demonstrates the prowess of native Logic plugins. Awesome tutorial; I don't currently have an electric, but when I do, I'll try this. Any tips for recording acoustic guitar, both mic'd and DI?
A big thank for your time taking to put this together pls can you put more light on how you set up those auxiliary I'm still confuse when using buses more relate output, input
If you simply send any channel's output to a "bus" channel, it will automatically open an auxiliary channel (if it's yet to exist already) and your signal from the channel will be sent to this aux. Essentially, aux channels (or "bus" outputs) aren't used just for the "sends", but also for splitting a channel, mix a few channels together and all sort of things. Hope it helped.
Clever idea. Isn’t all you’re doing by panning two amps left and right though is making it louder overall (you can see it in the meter)? It’s the same as when you just copy a vocal or whatever on to two hard panned tracks - it just makes it louder, not broader. The reason it starts to sound wider when some elements of each chain are altered is because the ear can detect the differences and recognise the stereo image. You seem like you know what you’re talking about a lot more than me though, and I haven’t tried this technique yet!
Of course it's louder. Anytime you're duplicating a track it will be double the volume respectively. For example, doubling 0dB will result in about 6dB (which is twice the volume since dB is a logarithmic scale) It's up to you to balance the loudness of a duplicated track. As for the panning and difference between the two tracks. The science behind this trick is to maintain a relatively unified-strong phase while altering each track to a slightly different tone. When you're panning nearly identical tracks (identical in the phase) you can get to a 'magical' point where the two tracks are so close in their phase, so they sound like one. But far enough in tone to affect the stereo field and give a rich-sounding tone
Awesome vid. Thank you. Sorry for the stupid question, but how do you copy the amp from one bus to the other? When I try to drag it from 1to2, it disappears from bus1?
Great video. One question. In the initial summing stack are both amp axes and the input track being summed or just the two amp axes? How do you defeat the input track from being summed?
Thank you! Notice that the input track's output is sent to 'no out' (in logic you can 'kill' the output of a track explicitly) *a small note - the 'master' summing track is mostly to be able to save this as a single preset.
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Holy crap when you did that multi microphone trick I was blown away, that sounds SO GOOD.
I think it is used in live performance but it is in analogue
Easily best quick "guitars in logic" video I've seen. Quick, no fluff, pallette to work from. Thank you 🙏
This was really helpful! Been struggling to find videos that clearly show how to get some great tones using the amp designer in Logic, until now!
I come back to this video every so often when an amp sim isn't working for me. Great video! I hope to see more like it!
That's what I call fine tuning the sound of a guitar. Very enlightening. Thanks.
Logic amps are good for vintage tones but seem to lack on modern metal stuff (they're all too harsh); but using Ignite Nadir cab sim instead of the Logic cabs improves things a lot
Good thing no one listens to metal. 😂
@@CRASS2047 well that’s a damn lie
@alexander agreed
@@CRASS2047 I'll tell you one thing as far as the bedroom production is concerned, I for one am definitely getting sick of all the 'metal' riff salad we're getting on the internet lately. It seems every aspiring guitar player is trying to get that 'heavy' sound so everything they do has become so homogenized , lacking in any sort of dynamics, .. drums squished, guitar chugging squished, annoying wanky doodle leads squished,.. with everyone seemingly copying and pasting everything else everyone else is doing. The drums all sound the same, the distortions all sound the same, and the 'Cookie Monster' vocals all sound the same.... It's sooooooo damned boring. None of them could write a song to save their life.
I get great high gain tones from the stock amps. Just don’t use the high gain presets.
Thank you for making this video. I was doing re-amping, and I found that all the time and trouble spent re-amping, made the guitar sound just A LITTLE BIT better than using Logic's plug-ins when placed on the original track.
Thank you for this video. It just filled a HUGE knowledge hole I had. Although I've been playing guitar casually since the mid 90s it was only in 2019 that I got my first interface and slowly taught myself Garageband and now Logic. Instant sub from me!
I can't believe how much I learned by watching this video. Thank you so much!
Great video. One thing I do differently which I would certainly recommend trying is using a direct send to aux channels rather than fx sends. It seems to reflect the real world more closely to me. The way I do it is to create two (or more) aux channels and set the inputs of each of those to your audio input channel. This automatically creates a patch bus. I then add whatever amps, effects are required in pretty much the same way that you do. If I want to create a multi-mic type sound, I setup further sub-busses from these aux channels and add Space Designer on each of these with IR cabs, again as required.
Thank you, interesting. Do you really hear a noticeable difference when sending directly to aux? I'll try it.
@@Tune4media I’ve seen a few other videos where they create a stereo effect by sending to 2 hard panned busses. Then add the effects on the busses.
Amazing!
Wow, you've achieved that gooey tone of an amp! I'm impressed. I can't wait to try this.
the best trick I've seen so far in my search to the holy grail of sound
Great tutorial. I was about to buy VST(Bias FX), but after watching this video, I decided to stick more to logic pro x's default functions. :)
I’m glad I could help you save some money
I am getting this program this week and this is the most helpful video I found so far!! Thank you!! Also - that lead line was BEAUTIFUL!!! Incredibly melodic my dude! Definitely saving this video to favorites!
What an brilliant idea! Bloody obvious when you think about it, that’s how you rig up in the real world! 🤦♂️ Thanks 🙏
Fantastic Video! I'm new to Logic (coming from years of working in pro tools) and also using software based amp design. You made it easy to understand. I'm definitely adding this into my workflow. Thanks for posting!
Thank you! I generally used to run two amps in stereo live. It will be interesting to set this up tomorrow and enjoy that big clear sound without needing to control the acoustic environment.
You just made my life 100 times better! And you saved me hundreds of dollars, cause this was just what I needed for the tones i was looking for! 😄 Thank you!
Great video! Thank you for sharing these precious tricks. They made my guitar tracks sound way better instantly. Thank you again.
This was very useful for me. Also, I really like the parts you wrote.
That’s funny I actually didn’t even make it to the instructional part of the video I stopped it to learn that guitar part
Thank you for this tutorial !!! Just fantastic ! You showing also , how powerful Logic Pro X is !
Refreshing to see a guitarist handle Logic Pro X. You can feel the difference in what you search for in a guitar sound. Although you probably are good at other instruments and composing also ;)
Definitely the best tutorial for a great guitar tone in Logic pro X ! Thanks dude for that !
Yeah game changer. From absolute tin pot sounds to pure beef. Appreciated
please .. tricks for acoustic guitars too .. Great!! Logic has all what I need as a guitarist .. Thank you so much!
Jo Seabony hey man a great trick to EQ A acoustic guitar is to use EQ carving if you don’t know what that is I made a video on my channel about it it let’s you take to guitar tracks and make them even wider in your mix to create more space I do all kinds of mixing and recording tips on my channel
Ik it's been 2 years but mic placement is number 1
Great video. A good lesson for beginners like me to understand how sends and busses work, what a summing stack is, how to create Aux tracks, how to select and adjust effects, etc. Thanks
Thank you for this tutorial, it has totally changed the way my guitar sounds, so much better. 🙏
In the 15 some odd years I've been working with Logic, Ive spent more time trying to get a nice, somewhat clean full slightly distorted sound with a rich full body, you my friend, have shown me what Ive been looking for, for over 15 years, and then some. Can I do the same without having a pre-recorded track? I would imagine so.
wow thank you :) well, yes definitely can work with realtime audio, in fact since logic even offers you the choice of “guitar/bass track”, my guess is that the amp designers in this preset aren’t cpu expensive at all.
Wow! thank you for this video! I can't believe I hadn't thought of this before, it makes perfect sense to approach it in this way.
thnx bro... I really thnx u for taking your time to teach this tips....
I love that solo melody!
You’re the Bob Ross of Virtual Audio.
What a smart approach for the amp sound, never thought about this before. Pretty awesome. Thanks a lot for sharing this informations!
Great tutorial! I'm coming back to it for a refresher as I used this video a lot over the summer. Can you tell me how to save the whole stack as a pre-set?
Thanks! Nice tones. Excited to try this out!
this is exactly what I've been looking for. thanks man
I use a distortion guitar pedal into a direct amp and use a cabinet with that electro-voice re20 look alike mic for my tone. Sounds awesome! Sounds a lot better than my combo spider amp.
Thank you mate for this video. Great tutorial,very very easy to understand.Thanks again.
Very useful for clean/crunch. LPX lead tones disappoint me though. Thanks for your educational video!
Really good video, very helpful, thanks!
This is amazing! New technique for my toolbox.
What an awesome tutorial. I'm going to try this tomorrow. Thank you so much. I'm a new subscriber
This is incredibly helpful. Thank you and please make more Logic Pro-related videos!
Thanks intro is great sound what effects did you use
Great demo, just what I was looking for ! Thanks man.
Thank you so much man!!! great video !! awesome tone.. kind of remind me Eric Johnson tones and vibes.. awesome!!!! Please make more video like this, more tones and stuff !!
Thank you so much for this tutorial, on the money in making these amps sound better.
Wow! I'm blown away by this video, thank you so much!
Thanks for this! Really! Cheers from Brazil
great method! how can you save the stacked pre + amp 1 + 2 as a pre set? when i try and save it as a channel strip setting it doesnt save the stack? thanks!
I had to save the Pre channel strip setting and then save Amp 1 and Amp 2 as separate bus channel settings. Not sure if there's a way to save the entire track stack.
Great fun! My thing is that perfect surf guitar sound. New Mac Mini and I'm ready for Logic Pro.
this is a great video, using it with other tools but the essence of it is very helpful
Is that intro tune Sangatsu Kokonoka by Remioromen?
What a great video!!! I loved it. I'm gonna try this tomorrow
Thank you
A bit of "small room" on the bus will put some "air" around it before further processing.
Thanks for the extremely insightful video. Subscribed!
Absolute genius! Thank you for this!!
great demo! cool solo too
A great concise and clear tutorial! Very helpful - Thank you :)
Thank you very much. Fantastic video.
Hey man great amp tones and great guitar playing also I do a lot of mixing and recording tips on my channel if you need any tips on mixing I got them and also keep recording and making great music cause your doing a great job man
Very simple but effective. Love it
been using logic for 10 years and had no idea about ctrl + T! always used to click automation mode on and off again :P
Amazing! Thank you for this
This is awesome! Thanks for sharing!!!!
This helped a ton! Thank you!!
Thank you very much! Very informative!
I tried and replied your very settings and it sounds amazing!Thanks again. If you don't mind, can you give me a tip how export/bounce this track stack? I had a poor-cheap-radio effect bouncing it as I usually do. Thanks again
This is an interesting way to work, but of course you can put a compressor, noise gate, EQ, etc., before the Amp Designer, and delays, etc, after it on the same track.
Hey Got it.... This has been very helpful to me... Thank you
Excellent tutorial, thank you
Wow . New ideas coming to mind. Thanks a ton
Very good tutorial. Subbed to this. Please make more informative videos. Thank you.
Thanks for Sharing this tips ! I really like the idea with the 2 mics setup BUT:
1) I wouldnt use the compressor to gain up. But rather: go to the inspector (press "i")> regions> gain and crank it up. Why ? cause you were compressing already 5db so already remove some dynamics, if we consider that a D.I has dynamics.. :)
2) I guess its not necessary to create 2 tracks: you just have to keep your channel to the stereo output (or your guitar bus) and send to an aux. it will be the same as you did.
Very good sound at the end thought !!
Thank you for commenting.
Although I still support the compressor. My goal is to add some 'meat' at the lower volumes without actually cranking up the peaks. (there is still plenty of dynamics to make a colorful tone).I shouldn't take credit for that of course. Passing a compressor after a DI signal is a pretty common practice in the industry. It's a neat trick that really helps the guitar sit in a mix :)
As for the nested channel - You're right. It's mostly to be able to save a single preset in a single group channel, but you can do perfectly without.
@@Tune4media I see, I did today with a preamp 73 from arturia (but the console Eq of logic would do the same) and a compressor vintage (Klanghelm MUJC) to have some coloration and i found it interesting to add meat and coloration
Can you explain me the other way? Using an aux send.. Im confused 😅
@@EstudioSalaSecreta I'll try to abstract it:
You have a TRACK, you send it to 2 different AUX's. Now your TRACK input is sending its signal to 2 different tracks. And then, you send these 2 AUX tracks to yet another AUX (a BUS if you will), now you have a 'master track' that gets the input of 2 AUX tracks that are being fed by a single AUDIO-TRACK
Hope that helps :)
tune4media thanks!!!!
Many thanks for the tips .Great information .
This is great! Thanks for making this video!
Do you normally just record one guitar take and then widen the sound this way or is double tracking still a norm for you?
not bad logic! it used to suck really bad years back when i first started :) thank you great tutorial
what is the first channel you started with that's called 'pre'? as in is it an amp or a an audio, I can't tell as there's no icons
It's not. The truck "pre" is my actual guitar signal track. This is the track on which the guitar is being recorded (So it's without any amp simulation). Then, this track is being sent to 2 bus tracks and each bus/aux track is loaded with an amp designer.
tune4media so what would you select when you start a new tune on logic? Would you just choose audio? Or guitar or amp? Or midi? Sorry I’m pretty new to logic
@@bencxm It's okay, totally legitimate question if you're just starting with logic. I'm choosing an empty audio track.
@@Tune4media thank a lot! this video is great help :)
Hugely helpful! Thanks
your music is beautiful
Best Video on Internet!!!!!!!!
Awesome! Because I don't love the tone of the Logic amps (which are really just Garageband amps, right?) So I just spent $100 on Nueral DSP Cory Wang's new plug in (which sounds great), but I would have paid YOU 50 bucks for a template like this. So nice to see that you can get great tone with stock plugins. Thanks!
Every time I look at 3rd party plugins I come across a video like this, which clearly demonstrates the prowess of native Logic plugins. Awesome tutorial; I don't currently have an electric, but when I do, I'll try this. Any tips for recording acoustic guitar, both mic'd and DI?
Dan Phillips Thank you. Maybe I’ll make a video about acoustic guitar techniques in the future 😎
A big thank for your time taking to put this together
pls can you put more light on how you set up those auxiliary I'm still confuse when using buses more relate
output, input
If you simply send any channel's output to a "bus" channel, it will automatically open an auxiliary channel (if it's yet to exist already) and your signal from the channel will be sent to this aux. Essentially, aux channels (or "bus" outputs) aren't used just for the "sends", but also for splitting a channel, mix a few channels together and all sort of things. Hope it helped.
@@Tune4media thanx for ur time
Great technic just what I needed thanks
this is an amazing tutorial! thanks a lot!
How did u raise the volume on the compressor without raising the input volume or the make up gain? Is there some kind of auto gain enabled?
Starfish Cameo yes, when “auto gain” is on “-12dB” or “0dB” it will automatically try to compensate the lost gain towards these level.
tune4media thank you!
Thanks so much dude!
Clever idea. Isn’t all you’re doing by panning two amps left and right though is making it louder overall (you can see it in the meter)? It’s the same as when you just copy a vocal or whatever on to two hard panned tracks - it just makes it louder, not broader. The reason it starts to sound wider when some elements of each chain are altered is because the ear can detect the differences and recognise the stereo image. You seem like you know what you’re talking about a lot more than me though, and I haven’t tried this technique yet!
Of course it's louder. Anytime you're duplicating a track it will be double the volume respectively. For example, doubling 0dB will result in about 6dB (which is twice the volume since dB is a logarithmic scale) It's up to you to balance the loudness of a duplicated track.
As for the panning and difference between the two tracks. The science behind this trick is to maintain a relatively unified-strong phase while altering each track to a slightly different tone. When you're panning nearly identical tracks (identical in the phase) you can get to a 'magical' point where the two tracks are so close in their phase, so they sound like one. But far enough in tone to affect the stereo field and give a rich-sounding tone
That’s an awesome trick… Does it matter that your meters were close to clipping?
Awesome vid. Thank you. Sorry for the stupid question, but how do you copy the amp from one bus to the other? When I try to drag it from 1to2, it disappears from bus1?
Hold the Option Key while dragging.
very useful thank you!!
Thanks a lot!
impresionantes trucos para conseguir un bonito sonido!! muchas gracias!!
Great video. One question. In the initial summing stack are both amp axes and the input track being summed or just the two amp axes? How do you defeat the input track from being summed?
Thank you!
Notice that the input track's output is sent to 'no out' (in logic you can 'kill' the output of a track explicitly) *a small note - the 'master' summing track is mostly to be able to save this as a single preset.
Yeah. How do u combine into a pre set
Great tips thanks!
Clever approach
Can you do 3 amps like brian may setup