People fuss so much about striking with the edge, but carbon steel isn't gonna chip, and it sharpens back up in 2 seconds, but I know what you mean when you say that. Its just automatic. He was brutal on this knife, but that's part of what makes his content so damn good.
@@jls2975 throwing knife or not that would have most likely broken under other hard use . Batoning may have started it. Not like a little delicate fine carving knife or something. It should have taken more than that in my opinion.
1095 is a ok choice, if heat treat is good and pricepoint is critical. Sure in cpm-3v it would be even better and tougher. I would never think of throwing such a knife (and I throw a lot), with that very special form, just because they throw it in the movie... anyway, thanks for the vid !
Would you suggest buying the TOPS tracker over any other tracker?? And great video by the way. Planned on picking one of these up, but definitely not getting one now.
I would suggest a WSK by Dave Beck or a Raptor by Patrick Day. Or Wenger before Tops. But all of those are customs if you want a production I would suggest the one by Bark River
I've one of them, never stressed like that due I carry also an hatchet.. the skeleton tang is normally used to reduce stress/vibrations on our hand and balance a little bit, so basically I dont regret it for that price.
This is a great entry level for a tracker knife. No to expensive and practical. I recently got a Wenger Jr. and is even better but the price is crazy as well. You should give it a try. Just don't throw it. 😂
I love tracker knives. Even with the skeletonized handle I’m still going to get this for edc. I have a Beck and a Linger tracker. I intend to get a full set of Wenger trackers at some point. There are so many makers out there who make this knife. Looking at the grain structure there was a problem with the heat treat in the handle. To much grain growth. They should have tempered the tang back more to soften it. The micarta scales should have been enough to keep the softened metal from taking a set allowing for more shock to travel through the knife without chance of breaking like this. But that is the difference between a big box company and a custom knife. I’ve made several knives myself but haven’t tried to make one of these yet. Friend of mine asked me to so I will be making one in the near future. Thank you for the video. Happy Holidays.
I just look up Ed Martin knives and now is on my list. And my grail knife is a Beck model C WSK. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share some knowledge about knives making. If you want any day I would like to test any of your knives and give my honest opinion.
@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 that would be great. I would be happy to send you a knife to test. It would have to be a few months down the road. I’m backed up with orders and waiting on a grinder to come in. Just give me an idea of what you would like and I’ll work on it.
These companies need to Stop Skeletonizing their handles. Ka-Bar also does it on several designs. Companies say: it’s to save on the weight,... I think it’s more than likely to Save them money at Our Expense. Although I have never had a problem with my Ka-Bar knives. I would still prefer the knife tang, to be solid even though it’s a speck heavier.
I'm not a expert. But this knives should better without the sckeletonize tang. I don't mind a couple of extra grams and if they leave it alone they will same time and money on machining. Thank you again for watching and leaving your opinion.
@@LXT43 ,… ya. I agree. I often purchase a knife with the possibility of it being my “one knife option”, in a SHFT scenario. I don’t want to trust my life on a Skeletonized Knife. They really need to Stop Skeletonizing their knives if they want to be taken seriously by hardcore survivalists.
This is a heat treatment issue folks, first of all these aren’t designed for throwing. That’s the most important thing, it’s hardened the same all the way through the knife. If you’re determined to use the knife hard then at least take off the handle scales, which is pretty difficult, put the blade part in a can of water and heat the tang to a dull red and let it cool SLOWLY. Don’t get the blade edge hot, if you’re really careful you can put the edge down in a pan of water and heat the back to dull red and also let it cool slowly, heat the point a bit too, to a purplish brown. This will help prevent breaking. I’m not going to throw mine so I will just heat the tang and maybe the back carefully. Remember if your edge gets heated up past blue you’ve softened it past the point of it being a good cutting instrument. If you’re wanting to clean it off, sand off the coating and put it in boiling vinegar a few times for an hour or so and it will help prevent corrosion and look good. Personally I’d just use a throwing knife for throwing.
How do you always get your hands on the special editions?! Is that burlap micarta on the Tops? Its gorgeous. You have the best stuff! I'm jealous, and I love your videos.
Thank you very much. That tops is in fact the 20th Anniversary Edition in burlap micarta. I checked the ability of that knife every day online since they announced on the blade show.
the knife should have a warranty for it. Send it back to them telling them what happened. they should replace it with a new one for you. The knife should not have broken like that. Suggests the steel used is weak. This is the first time i have seen a Boker knife fail in such a significant level. so it is suggestive that Boker's manufacturer has cut corners with regard to steel quality and tempering of the actual blade. Calls into question the quality of the carbon steel used.
It’s more than likely an issue with the heat treat. There was significant grain growth at the break point. Sure the handle was skeletonized but with proper heat treating that shouldn’t have happened.
I think the “Dave Wenger” version is also skeletonized. It might hold up better because his version is a bit thicker I believe. He also might use better steel or at least do a better heat treatment. Boker should realize that in the Movie: “The Hunted”,... The knife gets Thrown hard. So people who purchase this knife are probably going to throw it. That’s what made this blade COOL. Boker needs to Stop Skeletonizing This Tracker Knife,... A.S.A.P. - It’s still a very cool knife & I plan on purchasing one. But I hope future production of this knife is NOT SKELETONIZED. - Anyhow Great Review. I enjoyed watching your video.
i was ready to order this puppy,. but wanted to see some vids of proformance.. this was the first vid,.. thanks.. this puppy aint coming in my colection.
@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 No it wasn't a bad review. I think it's good that you found out the truth. I thought this was a full-tang, not skeleton tang. I was going to beat this knife like I do all my other knives, and I usually don't trust skeleton tangs. I'm gonna hold off on buying it and wait until more user reviews are out.
Thanks for the input. I didn't knew that was a skeleton tang. I wouldn't trow it. The original have a tapered tang. I think they try to increase balance by cutting the holes on the knife. I think it was a waste of milling. I would have leave it full tang.
What a bummer! I don’t throw my knives for a good reason. If I was to throw one of my knives, it would be a drop forged Cold Steel. They’re one piece and throw well. Nothing can break but I still wouldn’t throw them.
Well, since I started to know and train knife throwing I actually would not buy a knife I can not throw anymore.. so would you say it is a logical break due to the sceleton tang construction, or would you consider it being a material error, material malfunction, of a single piece out of the production.. would you think, all these models break when thrown or did you have the bad luck to get a 'monday model' ..? thanks for help, and best regards
It is a fair test. Trying to put stress on a knife when testing is good. You never know how you have to abuse a knife when exposed outdoors so any test is fine unless you hold a blowtorch to it or so which would not compare to any possible real-world stess that migh happen. But throwing is a good test and the knife should have better survived it!
Wonder if it was Compromised while pounding it before you started to throw it I just got mine in the mail today makes me a little concerned guess I won’t try to be too rough on it
No, it was not compromised by him using it in the way it was intended. It was compromised by him thowing a knife that was not designed to be a thowing knife.
Heat treat was bad. The grain at the break point was very large and looked like a medium corse sand. Proper heat treat on a blade would result with a very fine grain structure. The other issue is also the temper. The tang should have been tempered back more than what it was. Even with a bad heat treat if they had tempered more in the tang it wouldnt have been the fail point. Another issue could also be on how it was skeletonized. If there are any sharp corners within the removed material it wail cause a stress point. That’s why if I skeletonize a knife tang it’s several bit sizes used on the tang
I ordered a Boker Plus Mini Tracker about 90 minutes before watching your video. After watching the handle break in your throwing demonstration, I cancelled my order. I don't throw knives, but I also don't need a knife I can't dependent on in a difficult situation. It's a shame Boker didn't do a better job making these.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I didn't mean to change anyone mind about the knife. But is what happens. I don't like to trow my knives either. But this one specifically was bought with that intention. So I don't have to risk the expensive ones.
Mannn yeah I got one these and it really is junk, it wouldn't spread butter when I opened the pkg so I took it to my 1x30 and once I finally got a decent usable edge on it and I tried to feather some soft pine it just rolled the edge right off so the steel isn't even hardened and wasn't sharpened either so I'd say even though it's cheap this knife is not worth buying unless you're just displaying it lol
I don't remember saying that was a throwing knife. And I don't know why people are going upset with the way I use a knife that they didn't make or buy. It's just for fun people. I never said that you have to throw the knife. Just a video of the knife getting abused so you can see how far you can push it. I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. 😉
16:46 Sticking the throw with your now custom Boker folding tracker was priceless. You should be careful though, folding knives donf tend to be great throwers but your custom is TOUGH rofl. You're a hood sport through it all. Thanks for the video. I WAS going to buy this knife but I think not. Walmart has an Ozark Trail camp knife for $18US. Are there Wslmartd in Canada?
I get a kick out of these internet survival experts who totally misuse a blade until it fails and then say it is not good. Knives, any knife, is made for cutting and stabbing. Axes and hatchets are made for chopping. Throwing knives are made for throwing. I am sure most say a Jeep is a great off road vehicle. With this logic, if I drive it off a cliff I can claim its not good for offroading? Also, you missed your target more than you sunk it. P.S. I have had one of these since they came out. Mine is heavily used (for what it was designed to do) and have never had any issues. I still carry it every day
Okay I belive u have no idea how to batoning 😂 I never saw a „survival dude“ batoning this way! And why I should throw my knive? Make no sense to me ! Yes, you subject the material to a stress test, but for things for which it is not actually made or at least wrong!
Oh my god, wild, thoughtless hacking on the wood for no reason, bad handling and sparking with the firesteel with the blade. No proper splitting of wood shown and so on. Not a good review. sorry
Perfect example that it's not a throwing knife, and it took a pretty good beating before it broke.... It works amazing for what it's built for
I curled my toes when you stroke the ferro rod with the edge
Lol.
People fuss so much about striking with the edge, but carbon steel isn't gonna chip, and it sharpens back up in 2 seconds, but I know what you mean when you say that. Its just automatic. He was brutal on this knife, but that's part of what makes his content so damn good.
I was looking at buying one of these. Not now...thanks for the testing.
I almost bought this knife tonight. I'm glad I didn't. I had no idea it was a skeletonized handle. It looks like a full tang handle.
Glad that my video was helpful.
It's not a throwing knife ....
@@jls2975 it's not durable.
@@jls2975 throwing knife or not that would have most likely broken under other hard use . Batoning may have started it. Not like a little delicate fine carving knife or something. It should have taken more than that in my opinion.
1095 is a ok choice, if heat treat is good and pricepoint is critical. Sure in cpm-3v it would be even better and tougher.
I would never think of throwing such a knife (and I throw a lot), with that very special form, just because they throw it in the movie... anyway, thanks for the vid !
Don’t You know You believe everything You see in the movies….
Independientemente del resultado de las pruebas, ¿crees que es un buen cuchillo en relación a su precio?
Honestamente sí. Si nunca lo hubiera lanzado mi impresión en el cuchillo sería excelente. Totalmente mi culpa en que tuviera resultados negativos.
Thank you so much for hard testing and risking your gear! Excellent job!
Thank you!
Would you suggest buying the TOPS tracker over any other tracker?? And great video by the way. Planned on picking one of these up, but definitely not getting one now.
I would suggest a WSK by Dave Beck or a Raptor by Patrick Day. Or Wenger before Tops. But all of those are customs if you want a production I would suggest the one by Bark River
I've one of them, never stressed like that due I carry also an hatchet.. the skeleton tang is normally used to reduce stress/vibrations on our hand and balance a little bit, so basically I dont regret it for that price.
This seems to me to be the more practical size. Never been a tracker fan but I’m now considering this as a future option.
This is a great entry level for a tracker knife. No to expensive and practical. I recently got a Wenger Jr. and is even better but the price is crazy as well. You should give it a try. Just don't throw it. 😂
I love tracker knives. Even with the skeletonized handle I’m still going to get this for edc. I have a Beck and a Linger tracker. I intend to get a full set of Wenger trackers at some point. There are so many makers out there who make this knife. Looking at the grain structure there was a problem with the heat treat in the handle. To much grain growth. They should have tempered the tang back more to soften it. The micarta scales should have been enough to keep the softened metal from taking a set allowing for more shock to travel through the knife without chance of breaking like this. But that is the difference between a big box company and a custom knife. I’ve made several knives myself but haven’t tried to make one of these yet. Friend of mine asked me to so I will be making one in the near future. Thank you for the video. Happy Holidays.
I just look up Ed Martin knives and now is on my list. And my grail knife is a Beck model C WSK. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share some knowledge about knives making. If you want any day I would like to test any of your knives and give my honest opinion.
@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 that would be great. I would be happy to send you a knife to test. It would have to be a few months down the road. I’m backed up with orders and waiting on a grinder to come in. Just give me an idea of what you would like and I’ll work on it.
These companies need to Stop Skeletonizing their handles. Ka-Bar also does it on several designs. Companies say: it’s to save on the weight,... I think it’s more than likely to Save them money at Our Expense. Although I have never had a problem with my Ka-Bar knives. I would still prefer the knife tang, to be solid even though it’s a speck heavier.
I'm not a expert. But this knives should better without the sckeletonize tang. I don't mind a couple of extra grams and if they leave it alone they will same time and money on machining. Thank you again for watching and leaving your opinion.
@@LXT43 ,… ya. I agree. I often purchase a knife with the possibility of it being my “one knife option”, in a SHFT scenario. I don’t want to trust my life on a Skeletonized Knife. They really need to Stop Skeletonizing their knives if they want to be taken seriously by hardcore survivalists.
Great vid, keep them coming. Can't wait to see what knives you test next
So… the throwing was for “The Hunted” funzies?
Tip strenght test, counter grain batoning, knife throwing.... Man that's a real review. Love it. Thank you so much
I appreciate it brother.
This is a heat treatment issue folks, first of all these aren’t designed for throwing. That’s the most important thing, it’s hardened the same all the way through the knife. If you’re determined to use the knife hard then at least take off the handle scales, which is pretty difficult, put the blade part in a can of water and heat the tang to a dull red and let it cool SLOWLY. Don’t get the blade edge hot, if you’re really careful you can put the edge down in a pan of water and heat the back to dull red and also let it cool slowly, heat the point a bit too, to a purplish brown. This will help prevent breaking. I’m not going to throw mine so I will just heat the tang and maybe the back carefully. Remember if your edge gets heated up past blue you’ve softened it past the point of it being a good cutting instrument. If you’re wanting to clean it off, sand off the coating and put it in boiling vinegar a few times for an hour or so and it will help prevent corrosion and look good. Personally I’d just use a throwing knife for throwing.
To be honest this knife is not made for repeatedly being badly thrown at a stump. It's a wood prep knife which it does well at.
Nice folder
Thanks for the video good to know about the skeleton handle.
You're welcome. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Incredible foldable mod !
You are really talented !
I appreciate it
How do you always get your hands on the special editions?! Is that burlap micarta on the Tops? Its gorgeous. You have the best stuff! I'm jealous, and I love your videos.
Thank you very much. That tops is in fact the 20th Anniversary Edition in burlap micarta. I checked the ability of that knife every day online since they announced on the blade show.
How much does it weight
the knife should have a warranty for it. Send it back to them telling them what happened. they should replace it with a new one for you. The knife should not have broken like that. Suggests the steel used is weak. This is the first time i have seen a Boker knife fail in such a significant level. so it is suggestive that Boker's manufacturer has cut corners with regard to steel quality and tempering of the actual blade. Calls into question the quality of the carbon steel used.
It’s more than likely an issue with the heat treat. There was significant grain growth at the break point. Sure the handle was skeletonized but with proper heat treating that shouldn’t have happened.
Excellent review 😮
Warranty???
I didn't try it. No really worried about it.
I think the “Dave Wenger” version is also skeletonized. It might hold up better because his version is a bit thicker I believe. He also might use better steel or at least do a better heat treatment. Boker should realize that in the Movie: “The Hunted”,... The knife gets Thrown hard. So people who purchase this knife are probably going to throw it. That’s what made this blade COOL. Boker needs to Stop Skeletonizing This Tracker Knife,... A.S.A.P. - It’s still a very cool knife & I plan on purchasing one. But I hope future production of this knife is NOT SKELETONIZED. - Anyhow Great Review. I enjoyed watching your video.
I've seen people do wild shit with other 1095 knives that def looks like a bad heat treat wonder if thats typical for boker or he got a bad one
in movie its "Red Scorpion six predator" knife
Wish they added the saw teeth and pot hook on top
If you can't throw you can't baton. This full tang knife does the impossible and is weaker than a stick tang. I hope that it's a anomaly bad temper
Good review. I'm just thinking to order one but after your video...I will think twice
i was ready to order this puppy,. but wanted to see some vids of proformance.. this was the first vid,.. thanks.. this puppy aint coming in my colection.
Kind of feels like they are ripping people off by giving the impression its full tang.
If the tang is skeletonized how can they say it is full tang?
It is full tang because goes across the hole handle. But is skeletonized. A shame though.
Well, now it’s a folding knife.
Thanks,, I'm gonna get one of these, and maybe modify it quite a bit,, it looks like a great "survival" knife,
I won't be throwing it,, 🔪🔪
boker is quality! beautiful knife! greetings friend
Is this why they are no longer available ?
I still see them online.
@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 i buy via Lamnia and no eta of new stock, first run sold out ?
Yeah Lamnia had the best prices on it. Heinie Hannes is where I buy it from. But I usually buy my European knives from lamnia as well.
@@o0FranklySpeaking0o they are back in stock at Lamnia. I did order one yesterday.
Now you can start a DIY project. Modify that todo make a folding knife tracker. Ir you can order it to a forgeman... I would be a good project....
That is a excellent idea. Thank you. I was going to trow it away.
Dónde lo compraste? Gracias por el video
Lo compré en Heinnie Haynes. Saludos.
También está en lamnia.com y me parece que a mejor precio aunque no es de entrega inmediata.
Probablemente a mejor precio. Cuando yo lo ordené no tenían.
Well shit, I think I'm cancelling my order. I wouldn't throw mine but I don't trust that skeleton tang to withstand batoning or chopping for long.
I'm sorry for putting this up. I didn't mean to create a bad review. I wouldn't trust throwing it. I think it will baton fine though.
@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 No it wasn't a bad review. I think it's good that you found out the truth. I thought this was a full-tang, not skeleton tang. I was going to beat this knife like I do all my other knives, and I usually don't trust skeleton tangs. I'm gonna hold off on buying it and wait until more user reviews are out.
Thanks for the input. I didn't knew that was a skeleton tang. I wouldn't trow it. The original have a tapered tang. I think they try to increase balance by cutting the holes on the knife. I think it was a waste of milling. I would have leave it full tang.
What a bummer! I don’t throw my knives for a good reason. If I was to throw one of my knives, it would be a drop forged Cold Steel. They’re one piece and throw well. Nothing can break but I still wouldn’t throw them.
There goes German quality, like everything else here nowadays, man .... I never wanted to see those times☹️
if boker "PLUS" its mean "china made"
Well, since I started to know and train knife throwing I actually would not buy a knife I can not throw anymore.. so would you say it is a logical break due to the sceleton tang construction, or would you consider it being a material error, material malfunction, of a single piece out of the production.. would you think, all these models break when thrown or did you have the bad luck to get a 'monday model' ..? thanks for help, and best regards
It's not a throwing knife. So that's not a fair test.
It is a fair test. Trying to put stress on a knife when testing is good. You never know how you have to abuse a knife when exposed outdoors so any test is fine unless you hold a blowtorch to it or so which would not compare to any possible real-world stess that migh happen. But throwing is a good test and the knife should have better survived it!
Cry baby cry
Bokers heat treat is very hit & miss from my experience, average heat treat with a skelotonized handle is a bad idea.
Sadly I learn the hard way. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Wonder if it was Compromised while pounding it before you started to throw it I just got mine in the mail today makes me a little concerned guess I won’t try to be too rough on it
I only would worry about throwing it. Seems to work fine in others tasks.
No, it was not compromised by him using it in the way it was intended. It was compromised by him thowing a knife that was not designed to be a thowing knife.
Heat treat was bad. The grain at the break point was very large and looked like a medium corse sand. Proper heat treat on a blade would result with a very fine grain structure. The other issue is also the temper. The tang should have been tempered back more than what it was. Even with a bad heat treat if they had tempered more in the tang it wouldnt have been the fail point. Another issue could also be on how it was skeletonized. If there are any sharp corners within the removed material it wail cause a stress point. That’s why if I skeletonize a knife tang it’s several bit sizes used on the tang
I ordered a Boker Plus Mini Tracker about 90 minutes before watching your video. After watching the handle break in your throwing demonstration, I cancelled my order. I don't throw knives, but I also don't need a knife I can't dependent on in a difficult situation. It's a shame Boker didn't do a better job making these.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I didn't mean to change anyone mind about the knife. But is what happens. I don't like to trow my knives either. But this one specifically was bought with that intention. So I don't have to risk the expensive ones.
@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 I appreciate your review.
You have alot of beautiful knives! Really enjoy your videos.... looking forward to your next ones 😁
Thank you very much. I appreciate the time you take to let me know.
So this is how you convert a fixed blade into a folder...
Yes sir. LoL.
@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 😂
16:34 he gives off positive :)
Lol.
Really it's not a throwing knife. I'm sure people who know how to throw could make it work but probably not the knife you learn to throw with
Mannn yeah I got one these and it really is junk, it wouldn't spread butter when I opened the pkg so I took it to my 1x30 and once I finally got a decent usable edge on it and I tried to feather some soft pine it just rolled the edge right off so the steel isn't even hardened and wasn't sharpened either so I'd say even though it's cheap this knife is not worth buying unless you're just displaying it lol
Guess that’s why they are under 100 bucks
But I love mine so far
A little disappointing?
dont feel stupid. Nothing can replace a David Beck WSK
Definitely my grail knife.
@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 I can send a good word Your way. He takes roughly 30 orders when the books are open. It was and remains My Grail Knife
Worth every second and penny
lots of Pennies :) But way less than the secondary market
@@nevillesavage2012 I have my alarm for August 1 it supposed to open the book again. Definitely I will try to get one.
Need to take the coating of the spine.
I appreciated this video. I could Kill a $75 knife or a $75 bottle of Whiskey :) I'll kill the whiskey :)
Wise choice.
@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 Wenger Blades (origonal) is amazing.
@@nevillesavage2012 I know. After that video I brought 2 now I only have one. But is definitely awesome for sure.
Don't quit your day job to throw knives that are not throwing knives 😉
I don't remember saying that was a throwing knife. And I don't know why people are going upset with the way I use a knife that they didn't make or buy. It's just for fun people. I never said that you have to throw the knife. Just a video of the knife getting abused so you can see how far you can push it. I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. 😉
16:46 Sticking the throw with your now custom Boker folding tracker was priceless. You should be careful though, folding knives donf tend to be great throwers but your custom is TOUGH rofl. You're a hood sport through it all. Thanks for the video. I WAS going to buy this knife but I think not.
Walmart has an Ozark Trail camp knife for $18US. Are there Wslmartd in Canada?
I get a kick out of these internet survival experts who totally misuse a blade until it fails and then say it is not good. Knives, any knife, is made for cutting and stabbing. Axes and hatchets are made for chopping. Throwing knives are made for throwing. I am sure most say a Jeep is a great off road vehicle. With this logic, if I drive it off a cliff I can claim its not good for offroading?
Also, you missed your target more than you sunk it.
P.S. I have had one of these since they came out. Mine is heavily used (for what it was designed to do) and have never had any issues. I still carry it every day
Well then that’s it , I will not be buying this knife
I need more test😀😁😁
well now you got a hard use folder
Yes sir. 😁
very poor heat treatment
Okay I belive u have no idea how to batoning 😂 I never saw a „survival dude“ batoning this way! And why I should throw my knive? Make no sense to me !
Yes, you subject the material to a stress test, but for things for which it is not actually made or at least wrong!
Ok master of batoning. If you don't know the origin of throwing a tracker knife design then you don't know anything about trackers knives.
Boker should be totally embarrassed. That should have never happened. No it’s not a throwing knife…..but you were throwing it into wood.
Was ist senden to you
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
Oh my god, wild, thoughtless hacking on the wood for no reason, bad handling and sparking with the firesteel with the blade. No proper splitting of wood shown and so on. Not a good review. sorry
Definitely not a video made for you. I try to test my blades as hard as I can so you don't have to. And so you have a idea what the knife can take.