One thing I realized: It’s always been weird how Yen Sid’s exam was vastly more difficult than Eraqus’. People always rag on yen Sid saying that he’s overly demanding, but I think that now with context from Dark Road we see that Yen Sid’s exam is probably the real standard, and Eraqus’ exam was actually atypically easy. This is probably because Eraqus saw what happened to the upperclassmen and that trauma prevents him from wanting to put Terra and Aqua through the same thing.
You are correct. Part of the Mark is "exploring the Worlds to broaden your Horizons" However, Eraqus knows Terra has Darkness, and Ventus is a X Blade maker. He also knows the outside has Darkness, and he doesn't want the thing that happened to happen. Namely the Darkness using his students as flesh shields and making the X Blade.
Actually, I think Eraqus wasn't even planning on having an exam at all. It was actually Xehanort in his letter to Eraqus, who suggested Eraqus to give the "traditional examination". So either Eraqus already determined Terra and Aqua showed the mark of mastery beforehand through some other exam (possibly one thats of appropriate difficulty), or he just decided to not test them at all.
@@AskWaffles so the dream eaters being the kids from UX hearts combined with their Chirithy, does Xehanort, Eraqus and Yen Sid know that? Or do the Scala teachers know that?
I think I interpreted what happened in enchanted Dominion with the upperclassmen, was they they found the fairies and princess aurora as a baby, and not after the sleep spell was cast. We dont have confirmation on when the upperclassmen arrive, but My idea feels like it'd make more sense than them arriving later. IIRC, Maleficent cast a death curse on aurora as a baby, and it was the fairy Merryweather that changed the death curse into a curse of eternal sleep until true loves kiss happens.
Luxu is to "As If" as Axel is to "Got it Memorized?" They dont say it all the time, but when they did it left enough of an impression that youd know it was them even if youre just casually attentive
And by this point it should be especially clear to anyone who played BBS. I can’t believe I didn’t catch Bragi was the Braig anagram until he said as if…. It was right there!
There's literally an video of all the times he's said it, because everyone knows that's his line. Idk why Damo thinks people wouldn't associate "as if" with Luxu
I was surprised Dark Road didn’t talk about Xehanort’s travel to the future at all. What happened that made him decide to go to the future. And why does he have yellow eyes in the future when he still has silver eyes when he’s given No Name? On the topic of the Book of Prophecies changing, I rewatched Back Cover and noticed something interesting. When the MoM is giving Ira his role and he says “do you really think the world can be saved by 7 people,” I think Ira suggests gathering more keyblade wielders, like X/UX was initially his idea. But he had already read the Book, so why wouldn’t he have known about all the X kids? Did Ira’s actions change the Book or was that just something the Master didn’t include?
I believe the reason he has yellow eyes in the future is because he has part of his older self's heart injected into him, just like the rest of the real Org 13. When he goes back to the past post KH3, it likely corrects itself and he just has his own normal heart, so it goes back to silver until he eventually gets the yellow ones later
@@LunarFTW so its a temporal paradox? he only got yellow eyes because of the future, and that in turn made that future occur? maybe. i think nomura will probably elaborate about the eyes later on, riku changing eye color wasnt explained in kh3 (blue to green), so theres probably more than just being norted (like not something xehanort exclusive)
@@jexusdomel5194 We've seen time loops before. The whole reason Xehanort even left Destiny Islands is thanks to Ansem SoD going back in time to take him to Scala and whatnot The eye color might have to do with "allignment", darkness being yellow, pure light being blue and everything in-between any color
I'm still wondering where Yen-Sid as a Keyblade wielder fits into this timeline. I was thinking at the end Eraqus was going to say in the graveyard to Xehanort: "Master Odin has taken on another apprentice, a boy named Yen-Sid. The master says he will be his final apprentice. Says there should be at least three wielders at any given time. Then he wants to leave the legacy of the Keyblade in our hands and retire to a quit world to live out the rest of his days."
@@x3AmberLovex3 Before the names got revealed I thought Hermod was Yen Sid. I think having a mention at the end of Dark Road about Odin taking on a final student before retiring and that being Yen Sid, would have been the best way to do it since there is no official look for young Yen Sid and I don’t know if Disney would have let Nomura create a look from scratch.
I am so happy you're doing this. I've genuinely been on a hunt for a KH Podcast that talks about the lore and theories, because that's my favorite part of KH.
When Baldr meets with the gang in Scala before Olympus, I noticed something rewatching that scene. While Baldr tells the others about what he's been up to, Xehanort closes his eyes and crosses his arms. He already felt something fishy going on with Baldr.
I realize I'm coming into the discussion here fairly late, but when it comes to what you both discussed about watch order, I honestly think that going in release order is best. Here's why I say that: as a fan who grew up on these games and had the wait, the reveals at the end of both KH3 and Dark Road give you a reason to replay the series and look for those small moments throughout the series where with the knowledge of a player fully caught up, you can truly start to connect the dots and see just how far in advance things were planned. The small Easter eggs that you wouldn't normally look for become something that you and your friends will spend your late nights talking about and you realize, as we're told in KH1, how little we truly know. Myself and a friend of mine are currently deep diving the series and even in just the first 30 minutes of the first game we were spending time just looking at the carvings in the cave on Destiny Islands and seeing the foreshadowing to come was something neither of us had done. Yes you could start with Union Cross and Dark Road, and BBS/0.2 Fragmentary Passage, but after that, we lose those characters for 5-6 games straight before they would come back around. I think by going in release order, we slowly get the picture of the past without it being too much where brains will melt at the amount of info that's dropped.
About Bragi passing but not. My theory is Bragi made a deal with Hades to make Baldr think he passed, and "You" we see Hades comment at before the chapter ends is him . It is why the scene cuts before we see the person. It is how he will fake his passing . It is the reason Hades says "All that angst for nothing." because neither of them are passed, but Hades lied so the classmates fought him.
Bragi spoke to Baldr and said he would just disappear so people will just forget him. Baldr was already being puppeted by darkness so I figured he knew he was still around.
@@keeks2472 And then Baldr attacks again, and Bragi(with the deal I purposed) appears to pass away, similar to Xigbar in KH3. And because Baldt will appear to the classmates later, Xehanort and Eraqus will assume Bragi passed away.
@@keeks2472 my theory is also a great way to insure Darkness/Baldr cannot succeed even if he were to beat Xehanort because he didn't beat Bragi, so Darkness would still fail.
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 Okay, I see what you are saying now. I must have missed him striking out again while I was taking notes. haha You're right, that would interfere with the plans to take out 13 lights.
To me it seems like xehanort killed eraques because eraques would have tried to stop the plan that we now know xehanort thought was the right thing to do. So to xehanort eraques might have been following false light and for the greater good (because eraques was an actual threat to xehanort) he struck him down.
I also thought Xehanort eliminated Eraqus to further fuel Terra's rage and lead him to the Keyblade Graveyard to get revenge so Xehanort could take over his body.
@@andrewwolff7592 I think that was the original intention of the scene based on the acting but we have to add the context of kh3 and dark road showing the nuance of xehanorts thoughts even in his old age
Interesting topic, and I 100% agree Star Wars is definitely similar. We could compare Count Dooku to Xehanort at this point both sided with the darkness or darkside for a reason. Because both believed it was a way of bringing balance and took that path to try and reach their end goal.
Around @1:18:00 when you all are talking about playing darkroad before Kh3. I belive that nomura either said in an interview or Kh3’s ultimania, that he wanted to have xehanort’s boyhood be kh3’s prolouge. Similar to roxas’s section in Kh2. I can easily see that being the case.
The podcast was really thought-provoking, I definitely have more theories rolling through my head now. Side note: Over the past 6 months I've watched someone on Twitch experience the Kingdom Hearts series for the first time, which as you know is the best content. From the highs (KH2/BBS) to the lows (CoM/DDD) for her she was hooked throughout and watching her try to wrap her mind around everything was an amazing journey. So when it came to KH3 she was a bit disappointed by how easy it was on proud, but once she accepted it she had a great time until it came to the moment you two discussed. She really didn't like how the game tried to redeem Xehanort in any way as it came out of nowhere. So your Dark Road before KH3 theory really might hold water. But that isn't why I bring this story up, so she goes through ReMIND next and she becomes more and more frustrated by how much it copies the end of KH3 that she literally just played. The new story additions just confuse her even more just when she felt she had a grasp of it. By the end she was so demoralised by everything she wondered if the future of KH even excited her any more. Things were looking dire, so the last hope we had was that the KHUx story could bring her back in. It could've gone either way but we linked her the 1 hour explainer video you made a year ago, within a few minutes she was pausing the video and going on detailed discussions about a point you made and I knew we were safe. By the time she was freaking out to the Xehanort reveal/misdirection her passion for the series was revitalised. So thank you for being the KHUx king and helping a newcomer to the series with the best explanation of the story possible. I'm really anticipating your video to explain the Dark Road story (which she knows nothing about) so she can be fully ready to experience Missing Link like the rest of us. Cheers Damo!
Its funny that its called "starte of the heart" cause the heart topic bothers me the most. Seems like every heart having different death... so many ways. To die or not die or getting second life and remember everything. To get lost forever or broken into pieces or falling asleep. Dying and getting sent to "the after life". Its just such headache...
Super excited for this series! I've been wanting a KH content creator to make a series of mysteries and questions that currently exist in the series. Hopefully this series will be a lot of what I'm hoping for! Also, will this series only be on UA-cam or will you also put it on other platforms?
I believe that all of them did face off against maleficent. They mentioned she had a form her Dragon form. But she wasn't the one that struck the killing blow. I believe it was a set up by darkness could be that same darkness that sent maleficent to the future and Balder was harboring it.
I had a thought while listening: what if the book of prophecies is actually a lie? Like, the whole part of the Master's eye and everything is just invented, and he just wrote what he thought would work to fullfill his plan to eradicate the darkness at the end. As everyone believes him, they tend to actually do what it's written even if they don't want to, like what happened with the foretellers' Keyblade War. MoM actually tells Luxu that the Lost Page about the traitor was explicitely invented to manipulate them into starting the war, so... what is keeping the rest of the book of being lies to manipulate events?
The thing about "Baldr's' Darkness is it isn't just his. It is all the classmates Darkness hidden below their False Light. They are the Classmates Fear and Terror mixed with their clinging to The Light. Darkness is "like a plague" and Baldr because of his Empath thing is sensitive to them. So Baldr absorbs the upper classmates Darkness when his sister passes.
glad to see yall keeping after it even when the KH hype is on the back burner for most people. I personally really enjoy this type of content, can't wait for more :)
In the case of Enchanted Dominion, Maleficent does not place a curse on the kingdom itself, only Princess Aurora. In Dark Road, I believe it's implied that the Upper Classmen arrive there just after the Good Fairies take her to their cottage to hide her away, and in BBS, she has just turned 16 and the curse has taken effect. Therefore, 16 years (give or take a day or two) have passed in Enchanted Dominion between Dark Road and BBS. (Sorry if this is addressed later, I've only watched a bit of the video so far)
You know, I have been looking at the Dark Road cover art, and I realized something that I feel stupid for not noticing .All the classmates are smiling, all except one. Bragi is not smiling. Bragi is smirking.... like the way Xigbar smirks when he knows something you don't... The Truth is what you see with eyes.. HA Ha
Fully agree with what waterkh is saying at 6:20. To me, the story of Union Cross through all it's incarnations was the most interesting the KH lore has been in a decade, but being able to experience the vast majority of it through your channel damo279 really brought it to a whole new level. Always look forward to your videos, keep it up bro!
I listened to most of this podcast while making some soup (I am a very slow chef when it comes to new recipes). It kept me wonderfully entertained and scratched my KHDR itch, thank you! It's been a few days, but I think one of you brought up the idea that Baldr did indeed kill Bragi? I like that thought a lot, a very interesting concept that one of the hearts inside Bragi's body could be destroyed while the other persists. Since Baldr was clearly attacking Luxu's back before it cut away and the fight took them to a new area (as shown by Baldr's flashback) where Baldr got a pretty good hit in, I think there's justification for that theory. Now, if only we knew how Luxu's possession works. Until confirmed one way or another, I'm not going to take the idea that Luxu possesses people the same way that Xehanort used on Terra as a given.
As Doc Brown said in back to the future: It demonstrates precisely how time travel can be mis-used. When you travel between time periods. Thus creating alternate time lines, which is why the time machine was destroyed no one's future was written yet after they fixed that. Same could be said about the book of prophecies if it's destroyed would mean nobody's future is written or set in stone. Definitely getting back to the future vibes.
maleficent curses Aurora the day she was born, so the events of dark road could've happened anywhere during those fifteen years where she was hiding with the three fairies
Hey! You said rack off! I read an Australian book when I was a kid where the characters said that, and I always thought it was way cool. Thanks for giving me the chance to hear a real Aussie say it lol Wonderful content as always from the both of you!
It’s interesting that in Ventus’s backstory, the Neoshadows that Xehanort summoned did not steal his heart. Were they following Xehanort’s orders, or did they not steal Ventus’s heart because they sensed one of the original darknesses in it? If the ladder, was Xehanort aware of this, and was this the reason he wasn’t afraid of them stealing his heart?
Recommended video: Analyzing the BBS secret reports with this new context. Because I've always felt like they conflict with KH3s ending, so I'd love to hear some resolution to that.
The book of procephies isn't "changing," but it's changing because the eye is observing several different outcomes simultaneously. Addendum (cuz I was listening at work) In one of Damo's earlier khux videos I took issue with the point about Ava changing who she gave the rule book to, or maybe the BoP (I can't recall offhand) because that shouldn't be possible. Like whatever she does even if it's different from what's written, is what the MoM's eye would see and then that's what would be written down - if it is in fact a book of direct observations. It is mind scrambling to consider the effects of this; whether the BoP would actually change and if the characters would have memories of prior versions of it or if it would literally alter reality. But if MoM isn't just writing down observations from NoName and the book is actually part of "his plan," then I wonder if we have a clue in the name of Daybreak Town. Day being associated with the sun - it source of light - and break being synonymous with destroy. Destroy Light Town. Darkness will prevail. To back up just a little; I always took issue with the BoP being referred to as MoM's "plan" when it was presented to us as simply a factual book of observations from the future. That's not a plan, that's a reaction. But if there is a MASTER plan I would consider that the BoP may just be a tool to manipulate the character's actions and he lied about writing down what he saw.
I’m sure xehanort killed eraqus in front of terra to piss him off even more. Opening him up to darkness even further. That’s what I originally thought.
I think it’s strange that Xehanort left the island thanks to his future self. It should mean that, had that not happened, he would have eventually found his way to the same or similar future anyway.
I definitely agree with you damo, kh3 was missing so much context even as someone that knew the story of khux. Dark Road gave us that context and I will recommend my friends do dark road first if they ask.
On Brain’s saying he didn’t use the BoP, I wonder if he meant he only read about stuff that already happened and never looked ahead? That would allow for him to still read the book (and possibly guess if the book changes or not) but not actually use it for it’s intended purpose.
David Russell created this mixture of Dive to the Heart and the Master of Masters theme for this podcast specifically! ua-cam.com/users/DavidRussell323
Oh, my God, I just had an idea. If Brag boys spirit is in the underworld with Hades, we know that spirits can be brought back and reincarnated from the underworld, and we know that godly beings are able to do that. I think there is a way in which theoretically, he could come back from the underworld, or they find his spirit in the underworld, they, I mean, Donald and goofy, while they are hunting around for Sora at the end of Kingdom Hearts, 3, and can tie us back into the master of masters Ark from another perspective, I think that would be really cool.
I loved this whole conversation, looking forward to more! It took me a couple days to get through it; but the last half hour really made me think about what's next for Luxu and how does all of this tie into MoM's plans regarding Luxu and Ava's roles. Which leads me to my question: There is a theory, mentioned in this video, that MoM is future Sora, having traveled back in time to orchestrate everything for some reason. I personally think that specific theory doesn't really fit, seems like a bit of a fever dream. But it made me think about alternatives to Sora, if the MoM is really time hopping back and forth. (PLEASE take all of this with a whole handful of salt, I am most definitely forgetting some lore rules or some obscure details that blow this theory out of the water) Thinking about it, Luxu's role isn't that active when compared to everyone else's. The MoM simply tells him "take my Keyblade, it's got my Eye, pass it on, watch what happens". At some point in the future from this conversation, two people will know exactly the entire timeline of this universe: the MoM, who is "seeing it" through the Eye in the Keyblade, and Luxu who is actually there. No one else in this KH universe will have that knowledge ever. Only these two individuals. What if, and this is my crack theory, you tell me if it has some merit, MoM is future Luxu? Both Luxu and MoM: - Have yet to reveal their original faces, and wear the exact same style of coat (and yes, I am implying it is the actual exact same coat) - Are exceptionally powerful Keyblade wielders (or so we assume, seeing as the MoM never actually showed his fighting powers on camera), capable of fighting the Darknesses (from Luxu's confrontation with the Darkness at the end of Union X and the MoM's reveal about his past) A future Luxu would: - Have knowledge of the entire timeline - Have hundreds of years of practice both as a Keyblade wielder and as someone who trains Keyblade wielders - Have a backstory very much like what the MoM described in Union X So what if this whole time the Eye was a red herring, and the actual way the MoM knows what's gonna happen, and is able to write the Book, is because he actually lived it himself? What if MoM is future Luxu? I dunno man, it's 1 am and I'm on cold meds. XD Looking forward to your next video! Have a good one. :D
Something i've been thinking (i did not read it anywhere, nor heard anyone talking about it, therefore if someone already said it, then i'm sorry). But i think that Sora is probably the player from Chi/Ux and Missing Link, moreover, he is probably a descendant from the Player, to think even more about this, when fighting the Demon Tide and using all the keyblades against it, with the Ux players into the gameplay, furthermore Ephemer helping Sora, is it possible that Sora is a descendant from the Player?
anyone else find it weird how the fairy godmother knows so much. also, that the sleeping beauty fairies can make darkness resistant clothing? who makes the black cloaks? who originally made them because the MoM never says he did. also, the similarities between the corridors of darkness in dark road and the Yozora scene. starry, night sky that meets a horizon of dark water. except in the corridors, dark winds swirl across the screen. i think the hints at the four elements via character names and powers-water earth wind fire have yet to be explored fully. also, Yen Sid tells Lea that he can unlock the ability for him to wield a keyblade. so does that mean there are other ways besides bequeathing that maybe only a full fledged master, like Yen Sid/Xehanort/Eraqus level, can do?
In the future, would it be possible to add visuals? Editing cutscenes would be a lot of work, but if you're sharing a screen while you record the podcast, would it be possible to put that in the video?
There is a theory Xehanort subtly orchestrated Terra's run ins with the villains first to mirror his own path. After all, both Maleficent and Braig are his "dragons". So Xehanort is weaponizing Terra's Destiny against him. In fact, since Eraqus gets in Terra's heart, Terra may have the Empathy power, too. Xehanort "sees" this , and uses Terra's Darkness to make them "become One".
I'm interested to see why Xehanort still sees Eraqus as a blue blood keyblade wielder despite knowing that he also has pretty prestigious blood running through him. I mean it could be that Player never elaborated on why Ephemer was so great when he was telling Bubba Xehanort about him, but my pet theory is that, in Scala society, Ephemer's blood isn't actually all that special. Player obviously places great stock in it because he spent a whole game making googly eyes at the guy but in wider Scala maybe descendance from Union Leaders isn't that impressive, even if it's the Union Leader that built the city from the ground up. honestly depending on how many people were left when Daybreak Town was destroyed, being descended from Ephemer could be pretty commonplace. While it still makes sense that Brain's descendants could be called blue bloods, given that he shares a rank with Ephemer and could even be less prestigious given he hasn't built a whole damn city. With that in mind, I reckon that the person Eraqus is descended from is Ava, (potentially also Brain, but he's not the impressive one to the broader society) the Foretellers being the only people ranked higher than Union Leaders (that aren't a master of all masters) and Ava being presently unaccounted for. Still amazed we're getting a game to canonise who bonked who but hey, I'm interested. Great podcast, loved the both of you
I love these types of discussions that go deep on the lore and potential meanings and interpretations of topics like destiny and what one views as darkness. However on the point about people not liking 3 I think it's mostly the vocal minority of people who also only play the mainline games so they are lost anyway
I think Maleficent is fighting Holdr but Darkness jumps in for the Ending Blow. The Darkness between the Classmate and Holdr's Fear end her with Maleficent's assistance. And then Baldr absorbs Them.
Wanted to mention that MoM states in KHUX to on of the Darknesses that one of the important points is when it was written. Then says he didn't write everything down on purpose too. The book just feels like some super long con to get everyone to follow a select future. Also want to bring up the lost page directly calling out Luxu "the traitors name bears the sigil" Feels almost impossible to guess MoM's endgame.
Planning. Lots and lots of planning. Plenty of stories do time travel well. KH is unfortunatly not one of them. Although we do seem to be moving away from that. What with everyone only moving forwards in UX and travelling to Quadratum.
I think the idea is that Daybreak Town collapses and is rebuilt into Scala ad Caelum, but the Keybalde Graveyard hasn't been shown to have a direct relation to either area (yet). The final battle in Unchained X takes place in the KBG Badlands, but I think most folks have interpreted this as a battleground that needed to be travelled to
One weird question I’ve had for only a day now is: if there’s a coat that wards of the darkness, is there a coat worn by individuals that ward off the light because they believe the light is evil?
I will say this argument, KH3 did everything that it set out of doing. And that is to end the Dark Seeker saga, and the crucial point that ends and breaks the ending is 2 factors, in my opinion, 1 how do you understand the Xehanort reports of BbS and 2 how do you take his post-defeat actions and speech. The first one, it depends on how do you take his end goal, this is how i take it, not so much his actions, you see his actions are all negative, as such you know that his on the wrong, but what about his end goal. Here you see that he is misguided, there are retcons in recent games to it, even Nomura admits this on KH3 interviews, but basically he see's too much light in the realm of light that overwhealms the darkness, as such he wants to correct this through Kingdom Hearts(Yes, the retcon is saying that the light is being killed, this is what Nomura admited is the retcon). Now whatever that's true or not, it's up to debate, in my opinion, balance is not something of 50/50, but more of what's stable for the tool, individual, envoriment, etc. The second one is his defeat, yes he is claiming to be the hero, where here is another moment of showing you how misguided he is, he believe blindly he is doing the right thing, someone has to do this for the good of everyone. Where Sora answer is that, not one person should do it because they believe it, but because everyone believes that this should be solve and as such entrust this fate to someone capable of solving it and that even if that person don't want it, they must have the will to accept it. In fact, i like that the ending is more of making Xehanort give up, rather then killing him.
Watch timeline idea Kh1 Khcom Khdays Kh2 Bbs Dark road/union cross/back cover helps to fill in back story of the masters Recoded 2.8 Kh3 What do people think
I'm definitely on the side of Xehanort's conclusion at the end of KH3 coming out of nowhere and not being great subversion nor satisfying. What really irks me is how in BBS he has the whole MO of there being too much light (man literally said "tyranny of light") in the world, and a rebalancing needs to take place with the power of channeled darkness. Then, in the ending of KH3, it's like a total reverse of what he preached in BBS, with darkness plaguing the world and it needing the precious light to be set anew. The only common thread is using Kingdom Hearts to reset the worlds, but his self-stated reasonings for doing so are too blatantly opposing between games to ignore. If Nomura and crew wanted his plans to make him seem like a good guy, that's fine, but be consistent with what you built up for the character in his debut game (BBS). Dark Road does a better job of tying the background of Xehanort to his intentions in KH3 for sure, but it still struggles to tie his actions in BBS to the whole scheme. Specifically the "too much light" thing; Dark Road shows him seeing other branching potential avenues of light and dark, but never being so aggressively apprehensive toward light as he is in BBS. BBS just feels like an afterthought, and that's even with them putting in moments from that game verbatim within Dark Road. It's honestly now retroactively become the odd middleman that doesn't fit with the Xehanort narrative. I think a great idea would've been the assumed/theorized gameplay aspect that we'd start the intro of KH3 playing in the shoes of Xehanort as a student (like Roxas in KH2), run around talking with Eraqus, take time to see what makes him tick, somehow foreshadow why he'll come to think there's "too much light" (MO in BBS) and more smoothly coalesce it with his eventual intentions to use darkness to, in actuality, keep the world's excessive darkness in check (MO at the end of KH3). It's for sure a jarring undertaking for those two opposing ideas to come from the same character, but it's the hole Nomura put himself in that needed to get addressed. Getting those two critical disconnects ironed out in the prologue of the game, would've helped make the ending of said same game land much better (without the dire necessity of a mobile game 3 years later; they could still end up making Dark Road for fleshed out details, but the initial surface-level understanding would've already been established and properly concluded in one game).
It’s very common for villains to believe they are the good guy. I’m glad we got more depth to Xehanort. I still think he is in the wrong. But I understand why he is the way he is. I just don’t like some people are calling him the good guy all along. He still done some fucked up shit.
Disagree with water about the subversion. Maybe I'm still burned from last jedi, but subversion isn't just "Lol the thing that probably should have happened didn't happen" I think it needs to be set up properly, and I think there wasn't enough in the mainline games to set up Xehanort as almost anything other than an evil bastard maybe a 'no spoiler' edit of Dark Road, where the text box is edited? haha
Xehanort literally fed kids to the heartless just to see what would happen. If that doesn’t make him evil no matter what then you are a horrible person.
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One thing I realized: It’s always been weird how Yen Sid’s exam was vastly more difficult than Eraqus’. People always rag on yen Sid saying that he’s overly demanding, but I think that now with context from Dark Road we see that Yen Sid’s exam is probably the real standard, and Eraqus’ exam was actually atypically easy. This is probably because Eraqus saw what happened to the upperclassmen and that trauma prevents him from wanting to put Terra and Aqua through the same thing.
You are correct. Part of the Mark is "exploring the Worlds to broaden your Horizons" However, Eraqus knows Terra has Darkness, and Ventus is a X Blade maker. He also knows the outside has Darkness, and he doesn't want the thing that happened to happen. Namely the Darkness using his students as flesh shields and making the X Blade.
Actually, I think Eraqus wasn't even planning on having an exam at all. It was actually Xehanort in his letter to Eraqus, who suggested Eraqus to give the "traditional examination". So either Eraqus already determined Terra and Aqua showed the mark of mastery beforehand through some other exam (possibly one thats of appropriate difficulty), or he just decided to not test them at all.
@@AskWaffles so the dream eaters being the kids from UX hearts combined with their Chirithy, does Xehanort, Eraqus and Yen Sid know that? Or do the Scala teachers know that?
@@29Blockhead There's no way anyone knows that except for the Master of Masters and maybe Luxu imo
Eraquas was just traumatized so he gave a sanitized test
Thank you for being such a great fan of the series! We’re all in this together.
Honestly the one thing I wish we got a scene expansion on was xehanort killing eraques even just to see his internal psychology there
I think I interpreted what happened in enchanted Dominion with the upperclassmen, was they they found the fairies and princess aurora as a baby, and not after the sleep spell was cast. We dont have confirmation on when the upperclassmen arrive, but My idea feels like it'd make more sense than them arriving later. IIRC, Maleficent cast a death curse on aurora as a baby, and it was the fairy Merryweather that changed the death curse into a curse of eternal sleep until true loves kiss happens.
Thank you for pointing this out. That’s how I read it too.
Luxu is to "As If" as Axel is to "Got it Memorized?" They dont say it all the time, but when they did it left enough of an impression that youd know it was them even if youre just casually attentive
And by this point it should be especially clear to anyone who played BBS. I can’t believe I didn’t catch Bragi was the Braig anagram until he said as if…. It was right there!
There's literally an video of all the times he's said it, because everyone knows that's his line. Idk why Damo thinks people wouldn't associate "as if" with Luxu
I was surprised Dark Road didn’t talk about Xehanort’s travel to the future at all. What happened that made him decide to go to the future. And why does he have yellow eyes in the future when he still has silver eyes when he’s given No Name?
On the topic of the Book of Prophecies changing, I rewatched Back Cover and noticed something interesting. When the MoM is giving Ira his role and he says “do you really think the world can be saved by 7 people,” I think Ira suggests gathering more keyblade wielders, like X/UX was initially his idea. But he had already read the Book, so why wouldn’t he have known about all the X kids? Did Ira’s actions change the Book or was that just something the Master didn’t include?
I believe the reason he has yellow eyes in the future is because he has part of his older self's heart injected into him, just like the rest of the real Org 13.
When he goes back to the past post KH3, it likely corrects itself and he just has his own normal heart, so it goes back to silver until he eventually gets the yellow ones later
@@LunarFTW so its a temporal paradox? he only got yellow eyes because of the future, and that in turn made that future occur? maybe. i think nomura will probably elaborate about the eyes later on, riku changing eye color wasnt explained in kh3 (blue to green), so theres probably more than just being norted (like not something xehanort exclusive)
@@jexusdomel5194 We've seen time loops before. The whole reason Xehanort even left Destiny Islands is thanks to Ansem SoD going back in time to take him to Scala and whatnot
The eye color might have to do with "allignment", darkness being yellow, pure light being blue and everything in-between any color
I'm still wondering where Yen-Sid as a Keyblade wielder fits into this timeline. I was thinking at the end Eraqus was going to say in the graveyard to Xehanort: "Master Odin has taken on another apprentice, a boy named Yen-Sid. The master says he will be his final apprentice. Says there should be at least three wielders at any given time. Then he wants to leave the legacy of the Keyblade in our hands and retire to a quit world to live out the rest of his days."
For a moment, I thought that Odin would become Yen Sid later down the line. But I’m not sure if Disney would allow that.
@@x3AmberLovex3 Before the names got revealed I thought Hermod was Yen Sid. I think having a mention at the end of Dark Road about Odin taking on a final student before retiring and that being Yen Sid, would have been the best way to do it since there is no official look for young Yen Sid and I don’t know if Disney would have let Nomura create a look from scratch.
@@jeskerjames3260 Totally! I enjoy your theory more than Odin straight-up being Yen Sid.
Look at you, Damo! Always coming through with this awesome content!
You are straight up the best kingdom hearts dude on UA-cam. Thank you for being cool.
I am so happy you're doing this. I've genuinely been on a hunt for a KH Podcast that talks about the lore and theories, because that's my favorite part of KH.
I dont know about everubody else around here, but i could listen to this kind of conversation at least twice a week
I loved how organic the conversation was, just the flow of the back and forth was great!
When Baldr meets with the gang in Scala before Olympus, I noticed something rewatching that scene.
While Baldr tells the others about what he's been up to, Xehanort closes his eyes and crosses his arms.
He already felt something fishy going on with Baldr.
Very excited to have this big boy to listen to tomorrow. Looking forward to future episodes!
Baldr’s darkness is an amalgam of all the darkness amongst his friends and presumably the people he knows in scala
Ansem is the inventor of the black coat I believe and the master of masters simply recreated it because he can see the future
I realize I'm coming into the discussion here fairly late, but when it comes to what you both discussed about watch order, I honestly think that going in release order is best. Here's why I say that: as a fan who grew up on these games and had the wait, the reveals at the end of both KH3 and Dark Road give you a reason to replay the series and look for those small moments throughout the series where with the knowledge of a player fully caught up, you can truly start to connect the dots and see just how far in advance things were planned. The small Easter eggs that you wouldn't normally look for become something that you and your friends will spend your late nights talking about and you realize, as we're told in KH1, how little we truly know.
Myself and a friend of mine are currently deep diving the series and even in just the first 30 minutes of the first game we were spending time just looking at the carvings in the cave on Destiny Islands and seeing the foreshadowing to come was something neither of us had done.
Yes you could start with Union Cross and Dark Road, and BBS/0.2 Fragmentary Passage, but after that, we lose those characters for 5-6 games straight before they would come back around. I think by going in release order, we slowly get the picture of the past without it being too much where brains will melt at the amount of info that's dropped.
A new KH podcast to add to my collection
About Bragi passing but not. My theory is Bragi made a deal with Hades to make Baldr think he passed, and "You" we see Hades comment at before the chapter ends is him . It is why the scene cuts before we see the person. It is how he will fake his passing .
It is the reason Hades says "All that angst for nothing." because neither of them are passed, but Hades lied so the classmates fought him.
Bragi spoke to Baldr and said he would just disappear so people will just forget him. Baldr was already being puppeted by darkness so I figured he knew he was still around.
@@keeks2472 And then Baldr attacks again, and Bragi(with the deal I purposed) appears to pass away, similar to Xigbar in KH3.
And because Baldt will appear to the classmates later, Xehanort and Eraqus will assume Bragi passed away.
@@keeks2472 my theory is also a great way to insure Darkness/Baldr cannot succeed even if he were to beat Xehanort because he didn't beat Bragi, so Darkness would still fail.
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 Okay, I see what you are saying now. I must have missed him striking out again while I was taking notes. haha You're right, that would interfere with the plans to take out 13 lights.
To me it seems like xehanort killed eraques because eraques would have tried to stop the plan that we now know xehanort thought was the right thing to do. So to xehanort eraques might have been following false light and for the greater good (because eraques was an actual threat to xehanort) he struck him down.
I also thought Xehanort eliminated Eraqus to further fuel Terra's rage and lead him to the Keyblade Graveyard to get revenge so Xehanort could take over his body.
@@andrewwolff7592 I think that was the original intention of the scene based on the acting but we have to add the context of kh3 and dark road showing the nuance of xehanorts thoughts even in his old age
Nomura is an fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek. That way he had both Mark Hamill and Leonard Nimoy voice in KH
Interesting topic, and I 100% agree Star Wars is definitely similar. We could compare Count Dooku to Xehanort at this point both sided with the darkness or darkside for a reason. Because both believed it was a way of bringing balance and took that path to try and reach their end goal.
In other hand any star wars pirist would tell you how the pure light is the way to go while in KH is not really.
Around @1:18:00 when you all are talking about playing darkroad before Kh3. I belive that nomura either said in an interview or Kh3’s ultimania, that he wanted to have xehanort’s boyhood be kh3’s prolouge. Similar to roxas’s section in Kh2. I can easily see that being the case.
The podcast was really thought-provoking, I definitely have more theories rolling through my head now.
Side note: Over the past 6 months I've watched someone on Twitch experience the Kingdom Hearts series for the first time, which as you know is the best content. From the highs (KH2/BBS) to the lows (CoM/DDD) for her she was hooked throughout and watching her try to wrap her mind around everything was an amazing journey. So when it came to KH3 she was a bit disappointed by how easy it was on proud, but once she accepted it she had a great time until it came to the moment you two discussed. She really didn't like how the game tried to redeem Xehanort in any way as it came out of nowhere. So your Dark Road before KH3 theory really might hold water.
But that isn't why I bring this story up, so she goes through ReMIND next and she becomes more and more frustrated by how much it copies the end of KH3 that she literally just played. The new story additions just confuse her even more just when she felt she had a grasp of it. By the end she was so demoralised by everything she wondered if the future of KH even excited her any more. Things were looking dire, so the last hope we had was that the KHUx story could bring her back in. It could've gone either way but we linked her the 1 hour explainer video you made a year ago, within a few minutes she was pausing the video and going on detailed discussions about a point you made and I knew we were safe. By the time she was freaking out to the Xehanort reveal/misdirection her passion for the series was revitalised. So thank you for being the KHUx king and helping a newcomer to the series with the best explanation of the story possible.
I'm really anticipating your video to explain the Dark Road story (which she knows nothing about) so she can be fully ready to experience Missing Link like the rest of us. Cheers Damo!
Dude that intro theme with the masters theme creeping in was so cool lmao
Its funny that its called "starte of the heart" cause the heart topic bothers me the most. Seems like every heart having different death... so many ways. To die or not die or getting second life and remember everything. To get lost forever or broken into pieces or falling asleep. Dying and getting sent to "the after life". Its just such headache...
YESSS I CANT WAIT TO WATCH THIS ALL DAY THANK YOU
Super excited for this series! I've been wanting a KH content creator to make a series of mysteries and questions that currently exist in the series. Hopefully this series will be a lot of what I'm hoping for!
Also, will this series only be on UA-cam or will you also put it on other platforms?
I believe that all of them did face off against maleficent. They mentioned she had a form her Dragon form. But she wasn't the one that struck the killing blow. I believe it was a set up by darkness could be that same darkness that sent maleficent to the future and Balder was harboring it.
I had a thought while listening: what if the book of prophecies is actually a lie? Like, the whole part of the Master's eye and everything is just invented, and he just wrote what he thought would work to fullfill his plan to eradicate the darkness at the end. As everyone believes him, they tend to actually do what it's written even if they don't want to, like what happened with the foretellers' Keyblade War. MoM actually tells Luxu that the Lost Page about the traitor was explicitely invented to manipulate them into starting the war, so... what is keeping the rest of the book of being lies to manipulate events?
I wrote this somewhere else as well, but I think Woody’s monologue in KH3 resonates better knowing the events of KH:Dark Road
The thing about "Baldr's' Darkness is it isn't just his. It is all the classmates Darkness hidden below their False Light. They are the Classmates Fear and Terror mixed with their clinging to The Light. Darkness is "like a plague" and Baldr because of his Empath thing is sensitive to them. So Baldr absorbs the upper classmates Darkness when his sister passes.
glad to see yall keeping after it even when the KH hype is on the back burner for most people. I personally really enjoy this type of content, can't wait for more :)
In the case of Enchanted Dominion, Maleficent does not place a curse on the kingdom itself, only Princess Aurora. In Dark Road, I believe it's implied that the Upper Classmen arrive there just after the Good Fairies take her to their cottage to hide her away, and in BBS, she has just turned 16 and the curse has taken effect. Therefore, 16 years (give or take a day or two) have passed in Enchanted Dominion between Dark Road and BBS. (Sorry if this is addressed later, I've only watched a bit of the video so far)
You know, I have been looking at the Dark Road cover art, and I realized something that I feel stupid for not noticing .All the classmates are smiling, all except one. Bragi is not smiling. Bragi is smirking.... like the way Xigbar smirks when he knows something you don't...
The Truth is what you see with eyes.. HA Ha
I cant wait for kh 4
Fully agree with what waterkh is saying at 6:20. To me, the story of Union Cross through all it's incarnations was the most interesting the KH lore has been in a decade, but being able to experience the vast majority of it through your channel damo279 really brought it to a whole new level. Always look forward to your videos, keep it up bro!
I love listening to people talk about game theories, this is awesome. Thanks guys.
Also i think you both nailed a lot of it.
So, what you're saying is, Destiny Island has a very slow time line compared to others? So.
Sora can still get that dinner.
Lmfao. Ain't even cold yet xD
a good retrospective
This is what i need in my life is a kingdom hearts podcast i can just listen to lore for the rest of time
I loved this, if you guys considered releasing these on podcast platforms weekly I’d definitely listen weekly
Absolutely love this, great stuff Damo and WaterKH! ❤🔥
I listened to most of this podcast while making some soup (I am a very slow chef when it comes to new recipes). It kept me wonderfully entertained and scratched my KHDR itch, thank you! It's been a few days, but I think one of you brought up the idea that Baldr did indeed kill Bragi? I like that thought a lot, a very interesting concept that one of the hearts inside Bragi's body could be destroyed while the other persists. Since Baldr was clearly attacking Luxu's back before it cut away and the fight took them to a new area (as shown by Baldr's flashback) where Baldr got a pretty good hit in, I think there's justification for that theory. Now, if only we knew how Luxu's possession works. Until confirmed one way or another, I'm not going to take the idea that Luxu possesses people the same way that Xehanort used on Terra as a given.
As Doc Brown said in back to the future: It demonstrates precisely how time travel can be mis-used. When you travel between time periods. Thus creating alternate time lines, which is why the time machine was destroyed no one's future was written yet after they fixed that. Same could be said about the book of prophecies if it's destroyed would mean nobody's future is written or set in stone. Definitely getting back to the future vibes.
maleficent curses Aurora the day she was born, so the events of dark road could've happened anywhere during those fifteen years where she was hiding with the three fairies
Hey! You said rack off! I read an Australian book when I was a kid where the characters said that, and I always thought it was way cool. Thanks for giving me the chance to hear a real Aussie say it lol
Wonderful content as always from the both of you!
It’s interesting that in Ventus’s backstory, the Neoshadows that Xehanort summoned did not steal his heart. Were they following Xehanort’s orders, or did they not steal Ventus’s heart because they sensed one of the original darknesses in it? If the ladder, was Xehanort aware of this, and was this the reason he wasn’t afraid of them stealing his heart?
Kh3's problem is the end section felt like the midpoint
I'm excited for this podcast
Recommended video: Analyzing the BBS secret reports with this new context. Because I've always felt like they conflict with KH3s ending, so I'd love to hear some resolution to that.
The book of procephies isn't "changing," but it's changing because the eye is observing several different outcomes simultaneously.
Addendum (cuz I was listening at work)
In one of Damo's earlier khux videos I took issue with the point about Ava changing who she gave the rule book to, or maybe the BoP (I can't recall offhand) because that shouldn't be possible. Like whatever she does even if it's different from what's written, is what the MoM's eye would see and then that's what would be written down - if it is in fact a book of direct observations.
It is mind scrambling to consider the effects of this; whether the BoP would actually change and if the characters would have memories of prior versions of it or if it would literally alter reality. But if MoM isn't just writing down observations from NoName and the book is actually part of "his plan," then I wonder if we have a clue in the name of Daybreak Town. Day being associated with the sun - it source of light - and break being synonymous with destroy. Destroy Light Town. Darkness will prevail.
To back up just a little; I always took issue with the BoP being referred to as MoM's "plan" when it was presented to us as simply a factual book of observations from the future. That's not a plan, that's a reaction. But if there is a MASTER plan I would consider that the BoP may just be a tool to manipulate the character's actions and he lied about writing down what he saw.
Ooooo I think I’m gonna like this video already
Im a big fan of both yourself and waterkh i would love to get more of these
Yas! I've been waiting for this!!
I’m sure xehanort killed eraqus in front of terra to piss him off even more. Opening him up to darkness even further. That’s what I originally thought.
Wow that's great damo and water, can't wait to listen to the podcast!
When are we gonna talk about the fact that Disney Dreamlight Valley is secretly a Kingdom Hearts game?
I think it’s strange that Xehanort left the island thanks to his future self. It should mean that, had that not happened, he would have eventually found his way to the same or similar future anyway.
I definitely agree with you damo, kh3 was missing so much context even as someone that knew the story of khux. Dark Road gave us that context and I will recommend my friends do dark road first if they ask.
Dark Roads ending spoils Luxu stuff though
On Brain’s saying he didn’t use the BoP, I wonder if he meant he only read about stuff that already happened and never looked ahead? That would allow for him to still read the book (and possibly guess if the book changes or not) but not actually use it for it’s intended purpose.
I always though eraqus was killed, cause after losing 2 times to xehanort, he got jacked and could've actually beat him up. So he had Terra weaken him
0:01 where can I find this song?
David Russell created this mixture of Dive to the Heart and the Master of Masters theme for this podcast specifically! ua-cam.com/users/DavidRussell323
Oh, my God, I just had an idea. If Brag boys spirit is in the underworld with Hades, we know that spirits can be brought back and reincarnated from the underworld, and we know that godly beings are able to do that. I think there is a way in which theoretically, he could come back from the underworld, or they find his spirit in the underworld, they, I mean, Donald and goofy, while they are hunting around for Sora at the end of Kingdom Hearts, 3, and can tie us back into the master of masters Ark from another perspective, I think that would be really cool.
I loved this whole conversation, looking forward to more! It took me a couple days to get through it; but the last half hour really made me think about what's next for Luxu and how does all of this tie into MoM's plans regarding Luxu and Ava's roles.
Which leads me to my question:
There is a theory, mentioned in this video, that MoM is future Sora, having traveled back in time to orchestrate everything for some reason.
I personally think that specific theory doesn't really fit, seems like a bit of a fever dream.
But it made me think about alternatives to Sora, if the MoM is really time hopping back and forth.
(PLEASE take all of this with a whole handful of salt, I am most definitely forgetting some lore rules or some obscure details that blow this theory out of the water)
Thinking about it, Luxu's role isn't that active when compared to everyone else's. The MoM simply tells him "take my Keyblade, it's got my Eye, pass it on, watch what happens".
At some point in the future from this conversation, two people will know exactly the entire timeline of this universe: the MoM, who is "seeing it" through the Eye in the Keyblade, and Luxu who is actually there. No one else in this KH universe will have that knowledge ever. Only these two individuals.
What if, and this is my crack theory, you tell me if it has some merit, MoM is future Luxu?
Both Luxu and MoM:
- Have yet to reveal their original faces, and wear the exact same style of coat (and yes, I am implying it is the actual exact same coat)
- Are exceptionally powerful Keyblade wielders (or so we assume, seeing as the MoM never actually showed his fighting powers on camera), capable of fighting the Darknesses (from Luxu's confrontation with the Darkness at the end of Union X and the MoM's reveal about his past)
A future Luxu would:
- Have knowledge of the entire timeline
- Have hundreds of years of practice both as a Keyblade wielder and as someone who trains Keyblade wielders
- Have a backstory very much like what the MoM described in Union X
So what if this whole time the Eye was a red herring, and the actual way the MoM knows what's gonna happen, and is able to write the Book, is because he actually lived it himself?
What if MoM is future Luxu?
I dunno man, it's 1 am and I'm on cold meds. XD
Looking forward to your next video! Have a good one. :D
Something i've been thinking (i did not read it anywhere, nor heard anyone talking about it, therefore if someone already said it, then i'm sorry). But i think that Sora is probably the player from Chi/Ux and Missing Link, moreover, he is probably a descendant from the Player, to think even more about this, when fighting the Demon Tide and using all the keyblades against it, with the Ux players into the gameplay, furthermore Ephemer helping Sora, is it possible that Sora is a descendant from the Player?
anyone else find it weird how the fairy godmother knows so much. also, that the sleeping beauty fairies can make darkness resistant clothing?
who makes the black cloaks? who originally made them because the MoM never says he did.
also, the similarities between the corridors of darkness in dark road and the Yozora scene. starry, night sky that meets a horizon of dark water. except in the corridors, dark winds swirl across the screen.
i think the hints at the four elements via character names and powers-water earth wind fire have yet to be explored fully. also, Yen Sid tells Lea that he can unlock the ability for him to wield a keyblade. so does that mean there are other ways besides bequeathing that maybe only a full fledged master, like Yen Sid/Xehanort/Eraqus level, can do?
rewatched some bbs, lea touches ventus's keyblade when they meet in radiant garden
In the future, would it be possible to add visuals? Editing cutscenes would be a lot of work, but if you're sharing a screen while you record the podcast, would it be possible to put that in the video?
It's almost ready for the next one :)
55:56 That's exactly what I feel about Bragi. He was killed by Baldr, but Luxu survived Bragi's death.
I’m late to the podcast but could it be possible that Luxu/Bragi made a nobody of himself and that’s what Baldr killed?
There is a theory Xehanort subtly orchestrated Terra's run ins with the villains first to mirror his own path. After all, both Maleficent and Braig are his "dragons". So Xehanort is weaponizing Terra's Destiny against him.
In fact, since Eraqus gets in Terra's heart, Terra may have the Empathy power, too. Xehanort "sees" this , and uses Terra's Darkness to make them "become One".
We're all wrong, Nomura laughing his A off.
Awesome! I’ll come back soon. Love podcasts 😎
Wait. Time is different? Oh crap I'm so behind. I'm still wrapping behind the data Daybreak Town and read Daybreak Town.
I'm interested to see why Xehanort still sees Eraqus as a blue blood keyblade wielder despite knowing that he also has pretty prestigious blood running through him.
I mean it could be that Player never elaborated on why Ephemer was so great when he was telling Bubba Xehanort about him, but my pet theory is that, in Scala society, Ephemer's blood isn't actually all that special.
Player obviously places great stock in it because he spent a whole game making googly eyes at the guy but in wider Scala maybe descendance from Union Leaders isn't that impressive, even if it's the Union Leader that built the city from the ground up. honestly depending on how many people were left when Daybreak Town was destroyed, being descended from Ephemer could be pretty commonplace.
While it still makes sense that Brain's descendants could be called blue bloods, given that he shares a rank with Ephemer and could even be less prestigious given he hasn't built a whole damn city. With that in mind, I reckon that the person Eraqus is descended from is Ava, (potentially also Brain, but he's not the impressive one to the broader society) the Foretellers being the only people ranked higher than Union Leaders (that aren't a master of all masters) and Ava being presently unaccounted for.
Still amazed we're getting a game to canonise who bonked who but hey, I'm interested.
Great podcast, loved the both of you
I love these types of discussions that go deep on the lore and potential meanings and interpretations of topics like destiny and what one views as darkness. However on the point about people not liking 3 I think it's mostly the vocal minority of people who also only play the mainline games so they are lost anyway
Essentially the relative flow of time is like Interstellar
Also I love how old man jaded master Mark Hamil’s response to “child corrupted by darkness” is just to execute order 66😂
0:34:37 Maleficent put everyone to sleep? I thought it was just Aurora.
In mythology Odin is missing an eye...just like MoM, thoughts?
May your heart be your guiding key!
I think Maleficent is fighting Holdr but Darkness jumps in for the Ending Blow. The Darkness between the Classmate and Holdr's Fear end her with Maleficent's assistance. And then Baldr absorbs Them.
2H of Kingdom Hearts LORE Talk
Wanted to mention that MoM states in KHUX to on of the Darknesses that one of the important points is when it was written. Then says he didn't write everything down on purpose too. The book just feels like some super long con to get everyone to follow a select future. Also want to bring up the lost page directly calling out Luxu "the traitors name bears the sigil" Feels almost impossible to guess MoM's endgame.
this is some good ass asmr. i'm just chilling.
Time travel has ruined it all, time flowing different in each world how do you tell a cohesive story with a coherent timeline with these mechanics?
Planning. Lots and lots of planning. Plenty of stories do time travel well. KH is unfortunatly not one of them. Although we do seem to be moving away from that. What with everyone only moving forwards in UX and travelling to Quadratum.
Is Keyblade Graveyard not the remnants of Scala, or in the same area?
I think the idea is that Daybreak Town collapses and is rebuilt into Scala ad Caelum, but the Keybalde Graveyard hasn't been shown to have a direct relation to either area (yet). The final battle in Unchained X takes place in the KBG Badlands, but I think most folks have interpreted this as a battleground that needed to be travelled to
Have you all checked ff1 against kh lore? Very similar themes, light and darkness, warriors of light, time travel loops
also, the most powerful weapon is EXcalibur
I personally think you should play KH3 before KHDR. I'l list my reasoning later when I get off from work.
So you can be mad at Xehanort, then mad at yourself for being mad at Xehanort?
Still waiting
One weird question I’ve had for only a day now is: if there’s a coat that wards of the darkness, is there a coat worn by individuals that ward off the light because they believe the light is evil?
I will say this argument, KH3 did everything that it set out of doing. And that is to end the Dark Seeker saga, and the crucial point that ends and breaks the ending is 2 factors, in my opinion, 1 how do you understand the Xehanort reports of BbS and 2 how do you take his post-defeat actions and speech.
The first one, it depends on how do you take his end goal, this is how i take it, not so much his actions, you see his actions are all negative, as such you know that his on the wrong, but what about his end goal. Here you see that he is misguided, there are retcons in recent games to it, even Nomura admits this on KH3 interviews, but basically he see's too much light in the realm of light that overwhealms the darkness, as such he wants to correct this through Kingdom Hearts(Yes, the retcon is saying that the light is being killed, this is what Nomura admited is the retcon). Now whatever that's true or not, it's up to debate, in my opinion, balance is not something of 50/50, but more of what's stable for the tool, individual, envoriment, etc.
The second one is his defeat, yes he is claiming to be the hero, where here is another moment of showing you how misguided he is, he believe blindly he is doing the right thing, someone has to do this for the good of everyone. Where Sora answer is that, not one person should do it because they believe it, but because everyone believes that this should be solve and as such entrust this fate to someone capable of solving it and that even if that person don't want it, they must have the will to accept it. In fact, i like that the ending is more of making Xehanort give up, rather then killing him.
Watch timeline idea
Kh1
Khcom
Khdays
Kh2
Bbs
Dark road/union cross/back cover helps to fill in back story of the masters
Recoded
2.8
Kh3
What do people think
I'm definitely on the side of Xehanort's conclusion at the end of KH3 coming out of nowhere and not being great subversion nor satisfying. What really irks me is how in BBS he has the whole MO of there being too much light (man literally said "tyranny of light") in the world, and a rebalancing needs to take place with the power of channeled darkness. Then, in the ending of KH3, it's like a total reverse of what he preached in BBS, with darkness plaguing the world and it needing the precious light to be set anew. The only common thread is using Kingdom Hearts to reset the worlds, but his self-stated reasonings for doing so are too blatantly opposing between games to ignore. If Nomura and crew wanted his plans to make him seem like a good guy, that's fine, but be consistent with what you built up for the character in his debut game (BBS).
Dark Road does a better job of tying the background of Xehanort to his intentions in KH3 for sure, but it still struggles to tie his actions in BBS to the whole scheme. Specifically the "too much light" thing; Dark Road shows him seeing other branching potential avenues of light and dark, but never being so aggressively apprehensive toward light as he is in BBS. BBS just feels like an afterthought, and that's even with them putting in moments from that game verbatim within Dark Road. It's honestly now retroactively become the odd middleman that doesn't fit with the Xehanort narrative.
I think a great idea would've been the assumed/theorized gameplay aspect that we'd start the intro of KH3 playing in the shoes of Xehanort as a student (like Roxas in KH2), run around talking with Eraqus, take time to see what makes him tick, somehow foreshadow why he'll come to think there's "too much light" (MO in BBS) and more smoothly coalesce it with his eventual intentions to use darkness to, in actuality, keep the world's excessive darkness in check (MO at the end of KH3). It's for sure a jarring undertaking for those two opposing ideas to come from the same character, but it's the hole Nomura put himself in that needed to get addressed. Getting those two critical disconnects ironed out in the prologue of the game, would've helped make the ending of said same game land much better (without the dire necessity of a mobile game 3 years later; they could still end up making Dark Road for fleshed out details, but the initial surface-level understanding would've already been established and properly concluded in one game).
It’s very common for villains to believe they are the good guy. I’m glad we got more depth to Xehanort. I still think he is in the wrong. But I understand why he is the way he is. I just don’t like some people are calling him the good guy all along. He still done some fucked up shit.
Dark road is kinda great. Especially that they took time to make free game. For kh fandom
Odin is soras granpa
Disagree with water about the subversion. Maybe I'm still burned from last jedi, but subversion isn't just "Lol the thing that probably should have happened didn't happen"
I think it needs to be set up properly, and I think there wasn't enough in the mainline games to set up Xehanort as almost anything other than an evil bastard
maybe a 'no spoiler' edit of Dark Road, where the text box is edited? haha
Is this not on Spotify? Could it be? :)
Should be on Spotify now!
open.spotify.com/show/7h3cKEfu9OuE3NFx4D0Xfi?si=879c54fe6b1f49cb
Xehanort literally fed kids to the heartless just to see what would happen. If that doesn’t make him evil no matter what then you are a horrible person.
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If it wasn't for re.mind dlc and critical mode kh3 would be really bad