Applying ancient divination to modern intuition | Peter Struck | TEDxPenn

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  • Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
  • Most ancient people were in the habit of imagining that messages from their gods were built into the world around them: in the oracles they consulted, in their dreams, and in the animals they sacrificed. They drew on them to sort out their thinking on knotty issues they faced in their lives, seeing more deeply into the past, present, or future. This talk explores the similarities between these ancient habits of mind and our own modern fascination, attested to in the discoveries of the cognitive sciences that lay behind books like Malcolm Gladwell's.
    Peter Struck is Associate Professor of Classical Studies at the University of Pennsylvania. His research engages with the history of the construction of meaning, in divination and in ancient notions of the organism. In 2004, he won Penn's Lindback Award, the university's highest award for teaching. Currently, he is writing about the applications of Greek and Roman divination in "Divine Signs and Human Nature: A Cognitive History of Divination in Antiquity".
    This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx

КОМЕНТАРІ • 83

  • @bakaichigo
    @bakaichigo 8 років тому +143

    Awesome information. As a modern-day tarot reader I can say this is actually how it works. Answers that wouldn't come when I was obsessing over the problems and options came far more easily working on the visual puzzle of the cards. This also translates into other areas of my life; for example when I get overwhelmed by a problem, I'll sleep on it or go outside to sit and play with my dog - and find when I return to the issue later that I have a clearer, more balanced mind and perspective. :)

    • @dezireelovecraft7606
      @dezireelovecraft7606 7 років тому +2

      RedVexeD yes soo true!!

    • @devindotzenrod361
      @devindotzenrod361 6 років тому +1

      RedVexeD Will you give me a reading please

    • @curtismmichaels
      @curtismmichaels 5 років тому +8

      As a reader I appreciate the clarity and accuracy of your post. Thank you for speaking in a manner that more might be open to understanding.

    • @chaosneal9049
      @chaosneal9049 5 років тому +1

      You still around

    • @thedruiddiaries6378
      @thedruiddiaries6378 4 роки тому +2

      Have a look at Harvard edX Omens and Oracles. Its very goid. And, the speaker here was somewhat missleading. These animals were not disembowked alive . And, the practice began as observational and lay a foundation for anatomical science .

  • @Arnoric
    @Arnoric 2 роки тому +13

    One of my autistic traits is that the intuitive mode is my basic mode. Discursive thinking feels alien to me. Magic Mushrooms helped me a lot to understand how my capacity to understand works

  • @random_corner5376
    @random_corner5376 6 років тому +90

    So in Laymen’s terms divination is a form of meditation to allow the intuitive mind formulate thinking on how to solve a problem compared to the conscious mind that if we focus on that problem we get further and further away from the solution we are seeking? If that is the case then there is something to it. I’ve been curious about divination for a while since it’s a mystery to me

    • @antiquebeast
      @antiquebeast 5 років тому +4

      Random_Corner when you meditate, the hope goal is you open up to calm. Divining is more like retuning to open up to wisdom. Symbols/pictures are tuning “instructions.” I use them to find the feeling I’m hoping to understand, but I always need to hold/know the feeling first.

    • @vintheguy
      @vintheguy 3 роки тому

      *"if"*

    • @justincbryant
      @justincbryant 3 роки тому +1

      In Laymen's terms, youre making it too complicated. Life itself is a meditation.

    • @justincbryant
      @justincbryant 3 роки тому +1

      @@antiquebeast thoughts are beliefs, beliefs become actions, actions to habits, and then habits to character. thinking = being. When you say returning, it is the innate ability to focus awareness to such a degree that you speak and do thru god.

  • @gabrielaahumada9807
    @gabrielaahumada9807 4 роки тому +3

    wowowowo that´s my profesor for Greek and Roman Mithology chulada de profesor, lo amo!!!!! best regards from Mexico.

  • @Marina-nt6my
    @Marina-nt6my 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome I'm glad I got this on my feed randomly

    • @Sarcasmarkus
      @Sarcasmarkus 3 місяці тому

      Maybe it wasn't random🤔

  • @vikingshelm
    @vikingshelm 7 років тому +18

    Love this man's teaching.

  • @charlesodonnell2993
    @charlesodonnell2993 Рік тому +1

    This follows well from the metaphysics of analytic idealism.

  • @FionaLundy
    @FionaLundy 4 роки тому +6

    Awesome talk!! I studied history at university & looooved it!! I bet he’s a great lecturer!! 👏🏻👏🏻

  • @evvie01
    @evvie01 3 роки тому +5

    Very cool. Especially to my 10 year-old self who knew everything was/is connected back in 1971.

  • @CreativeSoul333
    @CreativeSoul333 Рік тому

    Great talk!!!! Thank you 🙏

  • @aniruddhamitra6621
    @aniruddhamitra6621 Рік тому

    even in ancient world, the sound quality was far better!

  • @CutsceneHunter
    @CutsceneHunter Рік тому +1

    Great 👍 👌

  • @antonnovo695
    @antonnovo695 3 роки тому +1

    This is Gold!

  • @MaryJaneHancock
    @MaryJaneHancock 4 роки тому

    Well said. And, I agree. So glad you posted. Thank you.

  • @malichelete_music
    @malichelete_music Рік тому

    Amazing. 🎉

  • @Graisslyaz
    @Graisslyaz 3 роки тому

    Loved it!!!

  • @skylark1772
    @skylark1772 2 роки тому +2

    Maybe I need to re-watch this. Sounded to me like he was trying to provide a rational explanation for a primordial,spiritual divination system.

    • @wendymoran6759
      @wendymoran6759 Рік тому

      ... as if there are no spirits or deities involved.

  • @alecmisra4964
    @alecmisra4964 3 роки тому +2

    If it is about a trance state why did they have very specific rules for interpreting flights of birds and other forms of divination?

    • @vintheguy
      @vintheguy 3 роки тому +1

      Because it was actually a cultural thing which the believed helped them when it did not infact

    • @ashleywatson3407
      @ashleywatson3407 Рік тому

      The Oracle was in a trance, the people asking the questions were not. It was up to the people to go to the Oracle and ask a question. If the Oracle were not in a trance state, the answer would not come about and it speaks to divination itself. If you are not in a trans state, you will not be fully connected, and you will not be able to find an answer. She was also a facilitator. People had trust when they came to her and asked a question and that's why she said it in a riddle. She helped facilitate their state of trance, by giving them a riddle in something to figure out. And thereby put them in a state of trance and helped them find an answer. Boom.

    • @ashleywatson3407
      @ashleywatson3407 Рік тому +1

      @@vintheguy I don't think discrediting culture is a very good thing to do. Culture is an extremely good foundation, and gives us a way to live our lives. If it weren't for culture these questions themselves would not be coming about, and neither would your question. For culture, oracles and whatnot wouldn't be needed. Culture is not the issue here. The issue is that people are not willing to embrace what they have to do. It's a scary thing to go into a trance, but in ancient Greece it was extremely possible and it is still possible now in some ways. The Oracle knew what she was doing, bashing her isn't necessarily a good idea.

    • @vintheguy
      @vintheguy Рік тому

      @@ashleywatson3407 I'm gonna be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about

  • @Space.Pimpin
    @Space.Pimpin 5 років тому +24

    if anyone else was using both their rational and intuitive mind, they would agree this guy took a long time to say very little

    • @andrewgill6770
      @andrewgill6770 4 роки тому +3

      He was actually saying, if you follow your intuition in the moment, you won't get in trouble by over rationalizing.

    • @jmediums
      @jmediums 3 роки тому +1

      @@andrewgill6770 yeah, that seemed to be the end message. not that we are using divination when we go for a walk.
      personally i cant wait to roast some turtle shells later this year to see if i should quit my job or not.

    • @vintheguy
      @vintheguy 3 роки тому +1

      @@andrewgill6770
      Yeah, a lot to say a little

  • @fairyfortunes9362
    @fairyfortunes9362 4 роки тому +5

    I am absolutely blown away by this presentation. There have been some recent studies with the Ouija board and the theory as I understand it is that the Ouija board allows the brain to access subconscious knowledge. Hence the Ouija board may in fact be able to help people with dementia communicate and access information. I'm not sure that I agree with John Milton, intuition is not rare to humans, we need to remove it from the realm of the elite so that we can better process information.

  • @dragonarchive7443
    @dragonarchive7443 3 роки тому

    What's the song name?

  • @thedruiddiaries6378
    @thedruiddiaries6378 4 роки тому +1

    Pithea was a title. The female Oracle changed, as they we chosen from the community and their answers were not always riddles.
    There wereno 'pulsating entrales'. Animals were brought to becrutually slaughtered, but did not have their entraiks riped outcwhike aluve. The god or gids answered the querrues by alterations that were revealed after the death of the animal and during a sort of autopsie that was recorded and compared to previous procedures. .. it was more like a contempirary autopsie.

  • @gl8715
    @gl8715 4 роки тому

    🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

  • @KaisRealLife
    @KaisRealLife 3 роки тому

    ✨✨✨

  • @boxfox2945
    @boxfox2945 2 роки тому

    And the lots' fell toward Jonah. Notrodomis used Jewish divination that incorporates a bowl of water and hullusnigins. Islamic geomancing, uses dots. That looks like DNA strands. The building blocks of life.

  • @ravenoptima
    @ravenoptima 6 років тому +10

    I am liker 111!

  • @ebinuyasha1
    @ebinuyasha1 Рік тому

    I thought this was a divination guide for rs3

  • @thedruiddiaries6378
    @thedruiddiaries6378 4 роки тому +1

    First time I've given a thumbs down to a Ted Talk. It was based on glaring historical inaccuracies about ancient divination.

    • @jmediums
      @jmediums 3 роки тому +2

      curious about what was wrong, could you explain a bit?

    • @vintheguy
      @vintheguy 3 роки тому

      This guy is mostly just going off with with a strange theory that doesnt really have THAT much real evidence for it

    • @vintheguy
      @vintheguy 3 роки тому

      @@jmediums
      I'm not that big into the specific history of Greece, however, I do know that people haruspicy (the act of looking the entrails of animals to divine the future) was only really done by designated haruspexs and were usually for big questions such as "will the empire fall soon?" or other such things

  • @MrAKjosh
    @MrAKjosh 4 роки тому +4

    Superstitions are a little more believable if you’ve ever had a psychedelic experience.

    • @wkgames7516
      @wkgames7516 3 роки тому +1

      Soooooo... after he gives his point on why divination is not superstitious, you still don't believe it??

  • @DaDa-xi9tk
    @DaDa-xi9tk 4 роки тому +1

    An amateur on the topic who misses the crux of divination.

  • @sophiamayaK9
    @sophiamayaK9 2 роки тому

    Isaiah 1:6-22…this man speaks of occult practices. The end times are here. It’s your choice: choose salvation and deliverance with Jesus…or spend eternity in the infernal fire of Satan….it’s your choice.

  • @lastdays1188
    @lastdays1188 7 років тому +11

    God Forbids practicing divination, it is a sin, have nothing to do with this.

    • @dezireelovecraft7606
      @dezireelovecraft7606 7 років тому +27

      we must be open to understand before we make judgment! love and blessings God has many names and shapes

    • @This-Place-Called-Earth
      @This-Place-Called-Earth 7 років тому +48

      you mean, your doctrine forbids it...

    • @martin36369
      @martin36369 7 років тому +16

      For those who don't believe in God, Sin also doesn't exist, stop projecting your beliefs on others, like I'm doing now!

    • @LucisFerre1
      @LucisFerre1 7 років тому +16

      I guess you've never heard of prophets.

    • @Qarnifex
      @Qarnifex 6 років тому +60

      no, he doesn't. That is what you have been told. The Bible never said this. In fact he did use divination, and sign reading and casting lots. The three wise men knew Jesus had been born by reading the signs in the sky (Divination) The apostles on several occasions cast lots (divination.) You do not even know how to read or interpret what is in your Bible. You should not be a teacher for Jesus when you yourself are uneducated.