To comment on your excitement about this channel becoming cymbal oriented, even further, I think you are currently and becoming one of the greatest cymbal smith's of all time, currently saving my pennies towards adding one of your cymbals to my collection, I fully believe your name will be in league with makers like spizzichino ect
Wow!I was prepared to be disappointed because I really liked the sound of them before, but those sound INCREDIBLE. And let me cast my vote for as much cymbal content as possible. They've been an obsession of mine for years now. Very glad I found your channel.
Timothy, I honestly like them both before and after; but, with the "after" version, the playing applications available increased tremendously overall. For me, I would love playing these cymbals. Thanks and Blessings, you are truly gifted!
I think they sound awesome on their own. It would be great to hear them in some musical context, but they way I see them now is they have the perfect blend of complexity, crispiness, darkness, and dryness.
These are beautiful sounding! You have such a great ear for this, Tim-I suspect that's really what makes your work stand out from the rest. Most excellent, once again! You can bet I'll be ordering one of these too someday!
The heavy and controlled character of the original version as well as their clarity and stick definition are mostly lost in the wash after the cymbals were modified. The fixed cymbals sound amazing though, I just think they're completely different instruments. It goes to show the insanely wide range of sonic possibilities you can obtain from the same blanks!
Know that if I go in the market for a real jazz cymbal (and I probably will in the next twenty-thirty years), you are my first cymbal smith I have in mind. Thank you for the videos as well.
Adding my thoughts as the owner of an (I believe your last?) unmodified 24" Foundation who loves it. This is my third, and favorite, cymbal from you. The re-lathed ones sound beautiful and richer, and I agree that for general purposes they'll be a solid all-around choice. That said, the new ones are also more conventional and less idiosyncratic instruments that exist in a sonic range where there are a lot of choices. By contrast, the dry version has a distinct voice and musical point of view that is rare and few makers get right. As a lover of more modern styles of jazz and broken time, I thrive on dry cymbals or ones with clean sticking and quick decay, and it's VERY hard to find great ones that still have balance and energy and rich, dark tone. This is one. In fact, I think as dry rides go, these are pretty much in the middle of the road. Many "dry" cymbals, like Turks, can actually still have a fair bit of ring to them. And on the other side of the equation, I personally found the Jack D cymbals rather thin and lifeless. So for the style, these are quite balanced. I can pair this with my even dryer flat and the Foundation will sound relatively lively next to it, or I can mute it lightly and have it play the dry role alongside fuller rides and crashes. I do think 24" is the right size for the dry version of the Foundation, since added size gives it more roundness and complexity; I wouldn't be as keen on this model in a 22" or smaller. FWIW, even if someone's not generally a fan of dryer cymbals, I believe in a set-up having deep contrasts, where each cymbal has a separate personality, and these really suit that. When you think about how many notes and keys any other instrument in the band has, and contrast that with the fact that like 60-75% of what our bandmates and audiences are going to hear from us is a single ride cymbal note, I think we have the opportunity to give their ears and ours added variety. So I encourage us all to experiment and add something unexpected to our cymbal arrays, which also pushes us to adapt and stretch our playing in new ways. All of which is to say, even if they're not your own cup of tea, I think the original dry Foundation is a glorious little monster we need more of, and I hope you keep it available if only as a special order.
I honestly can’t conclude which have a “better” sound…and they complement each other quite nicely. I have to disagree with the notion that the reworked cymbals are “fixed.” In fact, you may have TWO lines going: Foundation and Foundation Dry!
Dig it! Thanks for the encouragement. I don't gravitate towards those super dry sounds, but they definitely have their place (aka Jack D's cymbals). Also, I agree! The dry version and the more traditional style! Thanks for watching!
Now, those cymbals sound very much like smaller brothers of Istanbul Agop Xist brilliant rides which I like very much. My holy grail has been an over 3500g 24" version, but there doesn't seem to be them on the market here in Europe or there overseas. The 60's kind of jazz cymbal sound that most of your other cymbals seem to have a strong connection to ( they are very good sounding on their own though) are not for everyone. I think that now you have stepped into a bit more modern, kind of electric jazz era with these new pieces. Great 🙂👍👍
@@ReverieDrumCo that is so true! I thought in the video that the 20 sounded lower too. I've seen this with my cymbals sometimes. I guess it depends on which overtone(s) your ear is focusing in on at the time?
Hey there! I'm inspired by your videos, and currently trying to construct my own cymbal lathe, could you give me some tips, please ? For example, what kind of motor should I use ? What are the best rotary speed parameters I need to look for ?
To comment on your excitement about this channel becoming cymbal oriented, even further, I think you are currently and becoming one of the greatest cymbal smith's of all time, currently saving my pennies towards adding one of your cymbals to my collection, I fully believe your name will be in league with makers like spizzichino ect
Wow, thank you! That means a ton.
TBH I'm mildly obsessed with cymbals and the different sounds you can get so I'm cool with a channel about cymbals!
Wow!I was prepared to be disappointed because I really liked the sound of them before, but those sound INCREDIBLE. And let me cast my vote for as much cymbal content as possible. They've been an obsession of mine for years now. Very glad I found your channel.
Yes! Thank you!
I'm so in love with the sound of these cymbals. Congratulations on making such a beautiful sounding cymbal.
@@DrummerPayne1979 thanks!
BIG improvement. Great sound(s): complexity, balance, brightness, good supporting 'wash'.
I liked both the "Before" and the "After". Great job both ways.
Timothy, I honestly like them both before and after; but, with the "after" version, the playing applications available increased tremendously overall. For me, I would love playing these cymbals. Thanks and Blessings, you are truly gifted!
I think they sound awesome on their own. It would be great to hear them in some musical context, but they way I see them now is they have the perfect blend of complexity, crispiness, darkness, and dryness.
These are beautiful sounding! You have such a great ear for this, Tim-I suspect that's really what makes your work stand out from the rest. Most excellent, once again! You can bet I'll be ordering one of these too someday!
Thank you so much!
After the fix, those may be the best cymbals I've heard from you, and you have a lot of good stuff so that's saying something. Keep up the great work
Came here to say this Tim I agree ☝️Every ear is different but would put these at the top. Very Nice as usual
Thank you!
@@ReverieDrumCo curious what a 23" like that would cost
WOW ! Great sound, big improvement.
The heavy and controlled character of the original version as well as their clarity and stick definition are mostly lost in the wash after the cymbals were modified. The fixed cymbals sound amazing though, I just think they're completely different instruments. It goes to show the insanely wide range of sonic possibilities you can obtain from the same blanks!
They sound amazing- loving the Foundation series.
Know that if I go in the market for a real jazz cymbal (and I probably will in the next twenty-thirty years), you are my first cymbal smith I have in mind.
Thank you for the videos as well.
Thank you!
I would describe these now to be Dark and washy... I love these!
They sound great! Good job continuing to follow your ear.
Thanks homie!
The warmth of those cymbals is like the feeling of getting in bed but for ears
haha dig it
They sound awesome
Beautiful transformation! These went from 100 year drought dry to just damp enough! Well done.
Adding my thoughts as the owner of an (I believe your last?) unmodified 24" Foundation who loves it. This is my third, and favorite, cymbal from you.
The re-lathed ones sound beautiful and richer, and I agree that for general purposes they'll be a solid all-around choice. That said, the new ones are also more conventional and less idiosyncratic instruments that exist in a sonic range where there are a lot of choices. By contrast, the dry version has a distinct voice and musical point of view that is rare and few makers get right. As a lover of more modern styles of jazz and broken time, I thrive on dry cymbals or ones with clean sticking and quick decay, and it's VERY hard to find great ones that still have balance and energy and rich, dark tone. This is one. In fact, I think as dry rides go, these are pretty much in the middle of the road. Many "dry" cymbals, like Turks, can actually still have a fair bit of ring to them. And on the other side of the equation, I personally found the Jack D cymbals rather thin and lifeless. So for the style, these are quite balanced. I can pair this with my even dryer flat and the Foundation will sound relatively lively next to it, or I can mute it lightly and have it play the dry role alongside fuller rides and crashes. I do think 24" is the right size for the dry version of the Foundation, since added size gives it more roundness and complexity; I wouldn't be as keen on this model in a 22" or smaller.
FWIW, even if someone's not generally a fan of dryer cymbals, I believe in a set-up having deep contrasts, where each cymbal has a separate personality, and these really suit that. When you think about how many notes and keys any other instrument in the band has, and contrast that with the fact that like 60-75% of what our bandmates and audiences are going to hear from us is a single ride cymbal note, I think we have the opportunity to give their ears and ours added variety. So I encourage us all to experiment and add something unexpected to our cymbal arrays, which also pushes us to adapt and stretch our playing in new ways.
All of which is to say, even if they're not your own cup of tea, I think the original dry Foundation is a glorious little monster we need more of, and I hope you keep it available if only as a special order.
So happy to hear it! Thanks brother.
The left side was totally killer!
Sure they are more versatile now: nice job!
Those sound awesome!
I honestly can’t conclude which have a “better” sound…and they complement each other quite nicely. I have to disagree with the notion that the reworked cymbals are “fixed.” In fact, you may have TWO lines going: Foundation and Foundation Dry!
Dig it! Thanks for the encouragement. I don't gravitate towards those super dry sounds, but they definitely have their place (aka Jack D's cymbals). Also, I agree! The dry version and the more traditional style! Thanks for watching!
Hmmm, true!
Now, those cymbals sound very much like smaller brothers of Istanbul Agop Xist brilliant rides which I like very much. My holy grail has been an over 3500g 24" version, but there doesn't seem to be them on the market here in Europe or there overseas.
The 60's kind of jazz cymbal sound that most of your other cymbals seem to have a strong connection to ( they are very good sounding on their own though) are not for everyone. I think that now you have stepped into a bit more modern, kind of electric jazz era with these new pieces. Great 🙂👍👍
Yeah, I plan to make more versatile cymbals moving forward.
Btw, fogot to mention... your playing is right on the spot 👍
Wonderful perfection!
Its amazing how after hammering a cymbal, the rest period makes a difference in just a few days, the sound always seems less dryer..
Just wow ❤️
Oh my word YES!!! 👏
Magic maestro‼️
They sound very good, the before and after all depends on the sound you are looking for. What brand are they?
They’re my brand, “Timothy Roberts Cymbals”. I hand hammer all of these from Brazilian and Canadian bronze blanks.
Wow they sound amazing now. Funny too that the 20" got a lower pitch than the 22"?! Beautiful!
Fascinating how the perceived pitch of a cymbal can be different, huh?
@@ReverieDrumCo that is so true! I thought in the video that the 20 sounded lower too. I've seen this with my cymbals sometimes. I guess it depends on which overtone(s) your ear is focusing in on at the time?
@@ReverieDrumCo oh, and those both sound great! Especially love that 20!! What does it weigh now?
Yea man. Very nice
Love these very much - great job!!!!!!!
Hey there! I'm inspired by your videos, and currently trying to construct my own cymbal lathe, could you give me some tips, please ? For example, what kind of motor should I use ? What are the best rotary speed parameters I need to look for ?
@@rearedrain9722 hey! This is a big topic. Send me an email and I will forward you some info to think about: tim@reveriedrums.com
these sound perfect..and i also think they look delicious. yummy all around!
They sound awesome how much for a complete set of them?
What sizes would you be interested in?
Oooooo!! 🔥🔥
So good! For sale?
They will be in the upcoming batch! (probably posting within 2 weeks)
OOOH! opened right up
how did they crash before? M
They had a pretty non-existent crash. Here's the video video on the originals: ua-cam.com/video/gEeYD0igcgM/v-deo.html
Available?
They will be in the upcoming batch! (probably posting within 2 weeks)