I went through this for years. I went through the process of Stick>Flux>MIG>TIG>MIG>TIG. I only wanted one welder with one type of gas. In the end I went with a TIG AC/DC. I can weld anything at 12am at night with my kids sleeping upstairs in silence in my attached garage. No smoke, no spatter and limited fire hazard. One bottle of argon, some filler wire and you are good to go for pretty much everything. As a hobbyist, time is of no concern. I went with the versatility as aluminum is actually cheaper now in my area than steel.
@@stewartsharpe9258 theres some really cheap tig machines ($200 steel only)out there. The only catch is the argon bottle, in my area, a full argon bottle will run $380. Its a way to get your feet wet in tig.
If you're working on your car you will probably want a flux core welder eventually. If you're working outdoors TIG isn't very useful at all, especially when the wind is blowing. If you're working mainly indoors, MIG and flux might not be for you, and stick certainly won't be. I bought a multiprocess welder but I use stick most of the time because I can just turn it on and go. No nozzles, regulators, feed control.. just run it.
Go Mig, Tig is entertaining but too slow, Mig push button go go go, no dip dip get another rod dip dip get another rod. Same with Stick. I use Tig for my Therapy !
I have about 3 months worth of Tig and Stick welding experience and I am loving it. I hate management and one of my coworkers. But my new found joy in welding is keeping me there. God I love welding
I chose tig as its quiet and clean to weld in my smallish garage at night. I think there is an argument for both. I'm looking to buy a mig at some stage but having another gas bottle is annoying.
You can use one gas for everything. MIG gas on TIG will eat the electrode up faster, and argon on MIG will make weird-looking welds that could be low in carbon and prone to cracking... but are you making a construction crane or a firewood splitter? 80% of 60 ksi is still a lot of strength. I got the big bottle for TIG and the little one for MIG figuring I'm more likely to put it in the car and go somewhere for wire feed than for TIG.
Old comment, however thats a very good point to make for a lot of us home DIY'ers. If you actually look at how much time you spend doing the actual welding, does it really matter if it takes you an extra 25-50% longer to do TIG? If I've a lot of welding to do, if MIG would take me 30 min, and TIG would be 40-45, the much less smoke, sparking, and lower noise doing it at night in my garage is a big plus in my consideration.
Mig all the way - wasted waaaaaaay too much time with TIG. Even with finite stuff and super thin stuff. Mig is far superior and operates faster than any TIG process/human can.
I’m going to start welding for the first time ever. I’m going to be ordering a primeweld tig225x. It may be a lot harder and time consuming but it’s the process that I’d want just for strength and penetration. I want my cage to be the strongest it can be. But the facts that I only need one gas kinda confirmed it for me. The setup might take a little longer but the ease of just needing to adjust settings and not gas tanks helps me since I’m going to be welding mostly in my garage
As a weekend welding warrior, i bought a 250A AC/DC TIG. This give me the option for Al work and finer metal work as well as DC stick for heavier steel work.
@@spoolinsvt6489 I still like them as much as day one, but I don't get to use them as much as I'd like. ....... I don't have a heated garage and I live in Michigan. It gets quite cold sometimes. I did notice that the arc start on the cut 60 doesn't always kick off on the first couple trigger pulls when it gets really cold. Other than that, not one issue. Really for the price, they are absolutely fantastic.
I am learning to MIG weld at work. But I am also borrowing my friend's TIG welder at home to learn that too. Now to be fair, the set up at home has to all be put away while at work everything is out and ready to go, and there's a nice welding table too. But it's so funny the difference, especially when learning. Setting up at home for TIG is this big ordeal. At work last week I was prototyping a new weldment with MIG and it is just so damn fast! One handed welds zip zip zip. It's not a final product so it doesn't have to be pretty. But I am a perfectionist so I think at home I will get a TIG once my friend needs hers back. I want to be able to make some robot frames out of stainless and titanium because I'm a goofball, though I will mostly work with aluminum, and TIG seems nice for getting all that done.
@@Grauenwolf I spent a bit more, but got AC TIG. Only thing mine doesn’t do, is pulse on AC. I got a Miller. I definitely paid a lot more, but I’ll likely not need another one in my lifetime, unless I decide to turn pro and mine breaks down.
@@randysretired2020 Nice! My brother has that (he's a welder by trade and also owns a mobile welding business) and I really wanted to go that route for my garage/barn unit. but $4500 was a bit steep for personal projects. I actually just ordered the Primeweld TIG225X after reading a ton of reviews and watching lots of videos. If I find I need the MIG side of things, I'll just order something from Primeweld as well (probably the MIG285). 3 year no hassle warranty and 7 day a week customer support that actually answers the phones! We shall see.
@@bobbybarnes1652 It was cheaper when I bought mine about two and a half years ago, but it was still over $3,000. I figured I’d buy once, cry once. You never know how cheaper machines will work out. Reviews have been good for the Primeweld machines. I hope it does what you need it to do and lasts a long time.
I have been paying welders, mostly fencing guys, tens of thousands of dollars over the past three years to, honestly, just do "ok" work. And some of it is below most any level of professionally. They speed through things and leave an unprofessional fit and finish. I blame that on the modern day work ethic, lack of available skilled labor and, therefore, a lack of competition. Ok, you can probably see by my photo that I have a professional office job. That said, I leave my house dressed like that but I always stop by one of my ranches to work for a couple of hours and I come home with a completely different attire. My father was a OTR truck driver, his father was a boiler welder at Babcock and Wilcox in Paris, Texas. On my mother's side I had a grandfather who was an Iceman (remember those and also real iceboxes?) and another who was a pallet maker. In other words, I come from humble N.E. Texas roots and I work hard in my full time professional occupation, and I try to be the best Steward for my ranches, grass, plants, trees and, yes, my cows. In other words, I'm not afraid of hard work. But I can be intimidated when taking on a new project or acquiring a new skill. Bu So, here is the rub. I haven't welded anything since FFA 40 years ago, but think it's time that I start. I feel that stick welding will be the best method for 2 3/8ths and 2 7/8ths oil field pipe for large scale fencing and stick welding is all that we did back in the day in FFA. At the moment, I want to make some gabled, home made high tunnels with sides that will roll up during the summer. I want to make them from 1 1/2", 1 3/4 inch and/or 2" steel square tubing. The 6 mil PU coverings would be added as well as an exterior shade cloth because I now live in South Texas and suffer with intense heat and UV during the summer. I've read and watched numerous videos regarding issues of a newbie learning to weld. To me, it would seem that starting with stick welding (again) is preferred from what I gather. That said, I don't think that stick welding is the best option for my smaller square tubing welding project of building a high tunnel from square tubing. Can the host of this video, and others, give me his two cents of opinion regarding this question? I would appreciate it and any other constructive advice given would be greatly appreciated. I pray the knowledge of God and His blessings upon all of you. Thank you in advance.
Ok I think for your projects buy a cheap multiprocess machine. Flux core mig is the way to go for the fencing and tunnels. Just use the cheap harbor freight Vulcan wire, or tractor supply brand wire. I have found the Lincoln electric flux core wire to be hot garbage that doesn't flow very well unless the welding surfaces are preheated and very clean. Having worked in the oil and gas industry stick sounds like the way to go, but it wastes rod, leaves debris that can stab hoofs, and takes some talent. Flux core mig is point and squirt while rocking the gun a bit, position doesn't matter too much. And wire left behind wont hurt animals and will be gone in a few months.
So someone who can MIG weld can also easily TIG weld with minimal retraining? I'm just getting into welding and looking into it as a potential career so I assume since MIG is faster it's likely what most businesses prefer? Thank you for the video!
I'm 1/3 of the way through my welding certificate through the tech school and TIG is definitely a learning curve from MIG. MIG requires you to simply keep a steady pace and keep your puddle and travel speed consistent where tig is the same fundamentals but also requires your left hand to feed filler rod in perfect timing like a metronome for it to look good so it'll definitely take longer and a lot of patience.
Good breakdown. I go back and forth between the two. I’m not loving stick, so I rarely use it. Same with fluxcore. Just too much fuming for indoors, and no real advantage.
I love how many people commented they like TIG, bcs now they can weld in the middle of the night in their garage lol. RISE, FELLOW KNIGHTS OF THE NIGHT!
@@SE45CXJust what I was thinking, I'm not so sure TIG is all that much quieter. My wire feed is not to bad & it's the grinding & such that I have to consider when I want to quiet it down at night so my neighbors can sleep better, not that I'm working that much late at night.
Here is my take: Stick for thick sections, FCAW for thinner sections, MIG for even thinner sections and finally TIG for the thinnest sections. Also MIG and TIG are used for the so-called exotic metals such as stainless steel, aluminum and titanium. Then there are the various nickel and copper alloys.
Just looking at it as a recreational welder. I like Tig better because it appears that Tig doesn't throw sparks like mig does. Now I've only mig welded so I could be wrong about that. I've experienced welders burn a few times now, and just watching Tig guys I don't see the shower of sparks I see on Mig. If I was trying to make product all day and speed was a factor, I'd be more inclined to mig. But just from what I've seen Tig looks less likely to fling a white-hot piece of metal into your forehead so Tig has my vote.
Cheers for the video Tim. I've been trying to figure out the best process and can't find an answer lol. So I have them all, I haven't tried Tig yet though. The added cost of gas has to be a big disadvantage for the home diyer. I prefer stick to flux core because I can barely see a thing when using flux core lol. I have bought disposable bottles of mig gas so hoping to get up and running with that soon.
👋 hey Des,, I DIY primarily Mig flux core/Stick. I've had the same issue with seeing the puddle and the joints. It was a lighting problem and old eyeballs. If you can update the lighting in your shop area, that may help. A cheap pair of Reading Glasses(1.50 mag) is a good idea also. Sadly, at this point in time Tig is outside my budget 😕. But I do definitely want to learn that technique. Good luck 👍, G.
@@PaydayGabeBCNV Thanks for the tips, I will have to get proper lights in my workshop. I actually tried a different type of flux core wire and there was an immediate improvement with both visibility and weld bead appearance. I had been using Super6 wire and now I'm using Parkside wire which is so much better. Cheers
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EXPLANING THE DIFFERENCE... lately ive been wanting to weld me an aluminium rod holder for my pontoon and im still deciding and still trying my best to do some research before i purchase a particular welder as soon as i get my $ right... so far im leaning towards a mig
I have MIG and TIG. I use a lot of reused material that has been stored for some time. I'm always working on some project and the need for extreme cleanliness when welding with TIG discourages me. I end up making very occasional use of TIG.
An important consideration for me going for TIG welding was the benefit of doing fusion welding. So without adding more material you can level a protrusion and melt it to the rest of the metal.
And with mig welding you can use it without gas with flux core wire. And if you use mig with flux core wire you can use it outside and you don't have to worry if its windy out becouse your not using gas.
Hmm, TIG welding is similar to soldering copper pipe or electronics, need to manually feed the filler metal. I think I'll go with TIG since I also need to weld aluminum. Thanks.
Thankyou! - Im a DIY'er and am teaching myself to weld.. I bought a DIY/consumer grade MIG welder and have made many mistakes (too hot, not enough gas, wire too slow etc) but am learning. .. I've often wondered about TIG.. You explain it perfectly, (and the clear video clips really help!) will definately look at TIG once i have learnt to MIG. :-)
I leared to weld with E6013 rods on a Lincoln 220v "buzzbox welder" way before auto dark Welding helmets became popular. Just like riding a bike, when you learn you never forget. IF you can stick weld learning Mig will be very easy.
I'm a weekend warrior. In order of frequency of use in my shop SMAW GTAW Oxy-fuel GMAW Resistance. For me, stick is as fast as MIG and better penetration. With 7018 I get good looking welds to boot.
Where are gas tanks filled at or refilled at? If my job was to collect gas air how would I bottle it into the tank? if oxygen runs in a tank why can't it turbine the car? If oxygen is a gas that comes in a tank where do I refill oxygen lol? Lemme rephrase the fresh air is not fresh enough and I require stonger air I do not want to purchase dirty oxygen from a dirty tank it must be baby brand new oxygen tank....
Can I weld with a fire extinguisher? If the nozzle or tip is "the right size?" If I practice fire extinguisher safety where is a good hot place to practice this? Highways busy streets? S
Honestly tig is for like aluminum rvs and those metals bud when using steel or metal i whould use mig because its lots and lots easier than tig tig is very hard i think u realy need to practise tig a lot lot a lot more than mig bud in the end tig is the best for a lot of materials bud mig is like easier to learn bud tig looks a lot more artfull
Tim...i don't know if you'll see this. I'm intrigued by TIG welding. I'm a retired man on a fixed income. I would like to try TIG welding. Should I buy a cheaper DC 110V tig machine to weld steel? Or should I buy a much more expensive AC/DC dual voltage machine? We don't have 220V at homesite. It would be a "hobby" type situation. Should I just skip TIG altogether because of the cost? I know it would need a lot of practicing to even start.
You're talking about MIG welding, not MAG - so argon or argon/helium to everything. TIG - argon or argon/helium to everything. Where's the protection gas difference ? :P
It’s technically MAG in steel, but hardly anyone calls it that in the US, so I’m just using the common term. If you want to use technically correct terminology, gas metal arc welding GMAW is better.
Your videos are amazing and really helpful. Thank you for sharing such valuable content. I'm curious if MIG welding would be a suitable choice for constructing a basic steel bumper for a Jeep. By "basic" I mean a design that is relatively simple with minimal angles or curves. Thank you!
There were a lot of words here. All I was looking for was which was better. If you weld a hammer the size of a building, which one wouldn’t cause the hammer head to break off? Which one breaks first, cause that one is the worse of the two.
Great videos, Tim. Will likely hook up with your online (paid) course. Oh, yea, one last thing: 30-24! Back to Back to Back! Go Blue! Sorry, could not resist.
Hi, I would like to get my existing Incline/Decline bench welding done with some minor adjustments.. So can you guide me, which type of welding is heavy duty.. In Google it shows TIG welding
Depending on what you want to do as in a career. In NYC tig is usually king in manufacturing, large pipe and working on buildings, they usually do stick etc. A lot of people I knew went with tig because around here, you could land a low pace manufacturing job which usually has bathrooms, parking lots, heat and a/c etc.
Here in the uk I bought a stick, mig, tig lift 120 amp welder from a company called static arc for £140. I had a couple of practices at mig welding 2 pieces of 2mm steel together in preparation for a pedal trike project I have and was surprised how much easier mig welding seems to be compared to stick welding. I’ve recorded the settings so I’m near as possible prepared for my project. The tig attachment has to be purchased separately at £27 but the kit seems good value for the price and OK for a part time novice learning AMATEUR welder. The advice in the videos are really usefully. Thanks.
Just the advice I was looking for. I was considering using TIG on a new project but I have a time constraint and really need to learn it first. So its back to MIG for now. Thanks Tim👍
Mig is a *lot* harder than it looks (if you want your welds to look decent *AND* be strong.) I felt *really* rushed when doing 1/16 square tubing. The results often resembled *bat guano,* even though they were strong enough. Then, there’s aluminum sheet metal - .040 or so - with spot-welds.
Use a smaller wire like 0.023"for the thinner metal. The 0.30 and 0.35 wire piles up to much excess filler on thin metal. Too thick wire you can't get hot enough or you will burn holes in the weld and is a contributing factor to bat crap looking welds. Also tune in the wire speed and heat settings first on a scrap piece of steel. Grinding the steel clean with a 36grit fiber disc on a air sander/grinder. 0.023" wire with a U shaped bead really allows you to slow down the weld speed for a nicer looking weld. Linçoln Viking 3350 helps to see what you are welding.
Hi are you on benefits and where you from because there are company's that will do your welding course for you and possibly fund it depending on your situation.
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around 4.30 you are wrong, with the mig ind dirty area you mess up things as opposed to tig you can use the tig to burn all inpurities before you weld which you cant with mig, i experienced it with a sugar tanker
You clean the area with the tungsten arc first before welding? If I had steel cleaned up but still full of pitting from rust, how do you think tig would go?
They're both wire feed processes, and generally, most MIG welders also do flux core, but they're not the exact same. MIG uses a shielding gas, flux core doesn't. Polarity is also flipped between the two.
I went through this for years. I went through the process of Stick>Flux>MIG>TIG>MIG>TIG. I only wanted one welder with one type of gas. In the end I went with a TIG AC/DC. I can weld anything at 12am at night with my kids sleeping upstairs in silence in my attached garage. No smoke, no spatter and limited fire hazard. One bottle of argon, some filler wire and you are good to go for pretty much everything. As a hobbyist, time is of no concern. I went with the versatility as aluminum is actually cheaper now in my area than steel.
Yeah I went from stick welding to Gasless MIG but would love to learn tig
@@stewartsharpe9258 theres some really cheap tig machines ($200 steel only)out there. The only catch is the argon bottle, in my area, a full argon bottle will run $380. Its a way to get your feet wet in tig.
Where do you live? Low earth orbit?
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Those are great points i stil am learning tig welding to be able to make my own exaust for my mopad
Mig best all around. Tig to slow and time is money . Sure it has it's place but set up and portability goes to mig.
My advice for a starter is, don't buy a tig welder that doesn't have an HF start. Forget about lift arc etc. There's no substitute for hf start.
Completely agree!
If you're working on your car you will probably want a flux core welder eventually. If you're working outdoors TIG isn't very useful at all, especially when the wind is blowing. If you're working mainly indoors, MIG and flux might not be for you, and stick certainly won't be.
I bought a multiprocess welder but I use stick most of the time because I can just turn it on and go. No nozzles, regulators, feed control.. just run it.
Stick welding: I CAN WELD ON RUST
Go Mig, Tig is entertaining but too slow, Mig push button go go go, no dip dip get another rod dip dip get another rod. Same with Stick.
I use Tig for my Therapy !
I have about 3 months worth of Tig and Stick welding experience and I am loving it. I hate management and one of my coworkers. But my new found joy in welding is keeping me there. God I love welding
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I chose tig as its quiet and clean to weld in my smallish garage at night. I think there is an argument for both. I'm looking to buy a mig at some stage but having another gas bottle is annoying.
You can use one gas for everything. MIG gas on TIG will eat the electrode up faster, and argon on MIG will make weird-looking welds that could be low in carbon and prone to cracking... but are you making a construction crane or a firewood splitter? 80% of 60 ksi is still a lot of strength.
I got the big bottle for TIG and the little one for MIG figuring I'm more likely to put it in the car and go somewhere for wire feed than for TIG.
Old comment, however thats a very good point to make for a lot of us home DIY'ers.
If you actually look at how much time you spend doing the actual welding, does it really matter if it takes you an extra 25-50% longer to do TIG? If I've a lot of welding to do, if MIG would take me 30 min, and TIG would be 40-45, the much less smoke, sparking, and lower noise doing it at night in my garage is a big plus in my consideration.
I'll keep telling my wife I need both!
Do like the women do. Use a credit card, buy it, bring it home, open the box start using it. Can't be returned after used.
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Mig all the way - wasted waaaaaaay too much time with TIG. Even with finite stuff and super thin stuff. Mig is far superior and operates faster than any TIG process/human can.
I’m going to start welding for the first time ever. I’m going to be ordering a primeweld tig225x. It may be a lot harder and time consuming but it’s the process that I’d want just for strength and penetration. I want my cage to be the strongest it can be. But the facts that I only need one gas kinda confirmed it for me. The setup might take a little longer but the ease of just needing to adjust settings and not gas tanks helps me since I’m going to be welding mostly in my garage
This man is one of the people I trust the most when it comes to welding. Thanks for your knowledge and straight forward explanations.
As a weekend welding warrior, i bought a 250A AC/DC TIG. This give me the option for Al work and finer metal work as well as DC stick for heavier steel work.
I couldn't justify TIG welding a smoker! However I do tig weld CERTAIN parts ie: hinges, handles. But for a firebox? Stick or mig is just way quicker.
I’m a mobile welder so stick is the best option for me, but if I was manufacturing or building stuff, I think I would mig all day.
I bit the bullet and bought a 3 piece from Primeweld. TIG(225), MIG(180), and Plasma (Cut 60) for about 2k. Love em.
Nice!
How are you liking them?
@@spoolinsvt6489 I still like them as much as day one, but I don't get to use them as much as I'd like. .......
I don't have a heated garage and I live in Michigan. It gets quite cold sometimes. I did notice that the arc start on the cut 60 doesn't always kick off on the first couple trigger pulls when it gets really cold. Other than that, not one issue. Really for the price, they are absolutely fantastic.
@@derekmoore1612 Yeah at that price it is hard to say no. When in red or blue that price is basically going to get you only one of those machines.
I am learning to MIG weld at work. But I am also borrowing my friend's TIG welder at home to learn that too. Now to be fair, the set up at home has to all be put away while at work everything is out and ready to go, and there's a nice welding table too. But it's so funny the difference, especially when learning. Setting up at home for TIG is this big ordeal. At work last week I was prototyping a new weldment with MIG and it is just so damn fast! One handed welds zip zip zip. It's not a final product so it doesn't have to be pretty. But I am a perfectionist so I think at home I will get a TIG once my friend needs hers back. I want to be able to make some robot frames out of stainless and titanium because I'm a goofball, though I will mostly work with aluminum, and TIG seems nice for getting all that done.
After reading lots of comments, clearly the winner is TIG so I will buy TIG 😁
Get a multiprocess welder. I’ve used stick, TIG, MIG, and flux core with my welder.
@@Grauenwolf I spent a bit more, but got AC TIG. Only thing mine doesn’t do, is pulse on AC. I got a Miller. I definitely paid a lot more, but I’ll likely not need another one in my lifetime, unless I decide to turn pro and mine breaks down.
@@randysretired2020 Multimatic 220 ACDC?
@@bobbybarnes1652 Yes.
@@randysretired2020 Nice! My brother has that (he's a welder by trade and also owns a mobile welding business) and I really wanted to go that route for my garage/barn unit. but $4500 was a bit steep for personal projects. I actually just ordered the Primeweld TIG225X after reading a ton of reviews and watching lots of videos. If I find I need the MIG side of things, I'll just order something from Primeweld as well (probably the MIG285). 3 year no hassle warranty and 7 day a week customer support that actually answers the phones! We shall see.
@@bobbybarnes1652 It was cheaper when I bought mine about two and a half years ago, but it was still over $3,000. I figured I’d buy once, cry once. You never know how cheaper machines will work out. Reviews have been good for the Primeweld machines. I hope it does what you need it to do and lasts a long time.
I like using all of them. Yet stick has way more tricks to get the job done. All depends on what I am doing.
Just bought a cheap stick welder, plan to grab your class at some point. Have done all processes 20 yrs ago just getting back into welding.
I think Tig is ideal for home gamer unless you're only welding steel. Personally I have an AC/DC tig and a cheap mig with some flux core wire in it
Or you could just say screw it and get both😂😂.
I have been paying welders, mostly fencing guys, tens of thousands of dollars over the past three years to, honestly, just do "ok" work. And some of it is below most any level of professionally.
They speed through things and leave an unprofessional fit and finish. I blame that on the modern day work ethic, lack of available skilled labor and, therefore, a lack of competition.
Ok, you can probably see by my photo that I have a professional office job. That said, I leave my house dressed like that but I always stop by one of my ranches to work for a couple of hours and I come home with a completely different attire.
My father was a OTR truck driver, his father was a boiler welder at Babcock and Wilcox in Paris, Texas. On my mother's side I had a grandfather who was an Iceman (remember those and also real iceboxes?) and another who was a pallet maker. In other words, I come from humble N.E. Texas roots and I work hard in my full time professional occupation, and I try to be the best Steward for my ranches, grass, plants, trees and, yes, my cows. In other words, I'm not afraid of hard work. But I can be intimidated when taking on a new project or acquiring a new skill.
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So, here is the rub. I haven't welded anything since FFA 40 years ago, but think it's time that I start.
I feel that stick welding will be the best method for 2 3/8ths and 2 7/8ths oil field pipe for large scale fencing and stick welding is all that we did back in the day in FFA.
At the moment, I want to make some gabled, home made high tunnels with sides that will roll up during the summer. I want to make them from 1 1/2", 1 3/4 inch and/or 2" steel square tubing. The 6 mil PU coverings would be added as well as an exterior shade cloth because I now live in South Texas and suffer with intense heat and UV during the summer.
I've read and watched numerous videos regarding issues of a newbie learning to weld.
To me, it would seem that starting with stick welding (again) is preferred from what I gather.
That said, I don't think that stick welding is the best option for my smaller square tubing welding project of building a high tunnel from square tubing.
Can the host of this video, and others, give me his two cents of opinion regarding this question? I would appreciate it and any other constructive advice given would be greatly appreciated.
I pray the knowledge of God and His blessings upon all of you.
Thank you in advance.
Ok I think for your projects buy a cheap multiprocess machine. Flux core mig is the way to go for the fencing and tunnels. Just use the cheap harbor freight Vulcan wire, or tractor supply brand wire. I have found the Lincoln electric flux core wire to be hot garbage that doesn't flow very well unless the welding surfaces are preheated and very clean.
Having worked in the oil and gas industry stick sounds like the way to go, but it wastes rod, leaves debris that can stab hoofs, and takes some talent. Flux core mig is point and squirt while rocking the gun a bit, position doesn't matter too much. And wire left behind wont hurt animals and will be gone in a few months.
So someone who can MIG weld can also easily TIG weld with minimal retraining? I'm just getting into welding and looking into it as a potential career so I assume since MIG is faster it's likely what most businesses prefer? Thank you for the video!
I'm 1/3 of the way through my welding certificate through the tech school and TIG is definitely a learning curve from MIG. MIG requires you to simply keep a steady pace and keep your puddle and travel speed consistent where tig is the same fundamentals but also requires your left hand to feed filler rod in perfect timing like a metronome for it to look good so it'll definitely take longer and a lot of patience.
I only know stick weld all my life.. I wanna try mig because it looks a lot easier.
Good breakdown. I go back and forth between the two. I’m not loving stick, so I rarely use it. Same with fluxcore. Just too much fuming for indoors, and no real advantage.
I love how many people commented they like TIG, bcs now they can weld in the middle of the night in their garage lol.
RISE, FELLOW KNIGHTS OF THE NIGHT!
Right! A lot of these videos were made in the middle of the night.
Hmm, the cooling fan on my TIG machine is annoyingly loud.
@@SE45CXJust what I was thinking, I'm not so sure TIG is all that much quieter. My wire feed is not to bad & it's the grinding & such that I have to consider when I want to quiet it down at night so my neighbors can sleep better, not that I'm working that much late at night.
get a mig welder not a tig because tig needs twice as many hands.
Unless you lost a hand, you have both.
Here is my take: Stick for thick sections, FCAW for thinner sections, MIG for even thinner sections and finally TIG for the thinnest sections. Also MIG and TIG are used for the so-called exotic metals such as stainless steel, aluminum and titanium. Then there are the various nickel and copper alloys.
Just looking at it as a recreational welder. I like Tig better because it appears that Tig doesn't throw sparks like mig does. Now I've only mig welded so I could be wrong about that. I've experienced welders burn a few times now, and just watching Tig guys I don't see the shower of sparks I see on Mig.
If I was trying to make product all day and speed was a factor, I'd be more inclined to mig. But just from what I've seen Tig looks less likely to fling a white-hot piece of metal into your forehead so Tig has my vote.
Cheers for the video Tim. I've been trying to figure out the best process and can't find an answer lol. So I have them all, I haven't tried Tig yet though. The added cost of gas has to be a big disadvantage for the home diyer. I prefer stick to flux core because I can barely see a thing when using flux core lol. I have bought disposable bottles of mig gas so hoping to get up and running with that soon.
👋 hey Des,, I DIY primarily Mig flux core/Stick. I've had the same issue with seeing the puddle and the joints.
It was a lighting problem and old eyeballs.
If you can update the lighting in your shop area, that may help.
A cheap pair of Reading Glasses(1.50 mag) is a good idea also.
Sadly, at this point in time Tig is outside my budget 😕. But I do definitely want to learn that technique.
Good luck 👍, G.
@@PaydayGabeBCNV Thanks for the tips, I will have to get proper lights in my workshop. I actually tried a different type of flux core wire and there was an immediate improvement with both visibility and weld bead appearance. I had been using Super6 wire and now I'm using Parkside wire which is so much better.
Cheers
thanks for explaining it super clearly
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EXPLANING THE DIFFERENCE... lately ive been wanting to weld me an aluminium rod holder for my pontoon and im still deciding and still trying my best to do some research before i purchase a particular welder as soon as i get my $ right... so far im leaning towards a mig
I have MIG and TIG. I use a lot of reused material that has been stored for some time. I'm always working on some project and the need for extreme cleanliness when welding with TIG discourages me. I end up making very occasional use of TIG.
An important consideration for me going for TIG welding was the benefit of doing fusion welding. So without adding more material you can level a protrusion and melt it to the rest of the metal.
And with mig welding you can use it without gas with flux core wire. And if you use mig with flux core wire you can use it outside and you don't have to worry if its windy out becouse your not using gas.
But there's a lot of splatter !!
Hmm, TIG welding is similar to soldering copper pipe or electronics, need to manually feed the filler metal. I think I'll go with TIG since I also need to weld aluminum. Thanks.
I have my 1st TIG certification this Friday! any tips ? Keep up the great work Tim
Awesome! Just take a deep breath and run it just like you’ve practiced.
Thankyou! - Im a DIY'er and am teaching myself to weld.. I bought a DIY/consumer grade MIG welder and have made many mistakes (too hot, not enough gas, wire too slow etc) but am learning. .. I've often wondered about TIG.. You explain it perfectly, (and the clear video clips really help!) will definately look at TIG once i have learnt to MIG. :-)
"Ivan, I need to learn how to MIG weld..."
"Why is that, Vlad ?"
"Those damn Ukrainian F16's keep putting bullet holes in my plane..."
Great video man, clear right to the point
Having never seriously approached welding until today, your video is very well put together. Well done Sir.
From what i've learned, TIG is much better for /on aluminum. Have a mig.
I weld on my truck a lot so flux core or stick is my style, but respect to all the rest! Welding is welding and we love it.
Hey brother, great video! You explained them really well
As a complete noob, I appreciate this information. Thank you!
I am learning to stick weld EVERYTHING now
Old school stick welding with a Buzz Box is cool. Never Chip slag from welds with out eye protection in place.
I leared to weld with E6013 rods on a Lincoln 220v "buzzbox welder" way before auto dark Welding helmets became popular. Just like riding a bike, when you learn you never forget. IF you can stick weld learning Mig will be very easy.
I'm a weekend warrior. In order of frequency of use in my shop
SMAW
GTAW
Oxy-fuel
GMAW
Resistance.
For me, stick is as fast as MIG and better penetration. With 7018 I get good looking welds to boot.
Where are gas tanks filled at or refilled at? If my job was to collect gas air how would I bottle it into the tank?
if oxygen runs in a tank why can't it turbine the car?
If oxygen is a gas that comes in a tank where do I refill oxygen lol?
Lemme rephrase the fresh air is not fresh enough and I require stonger air I do not want to purchase dirty oxygen from a dirty tank it must be baby brand new oxygen tank....
Thanks, helpful indeed.
Thanks gor share this video now I clarify some doubts, best regards
Can I weld with a fire extinguisher? If the nozzle or tip is "the right size?" If I practice fire extinguisher safety where is a good hot place to practice this? Highways busy streets?
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Tig reminds me of the old school welding with torch and coat hanger except that only works on steel
MIG & TIG i like it 🧑🏭. . My best process🤩
Honestly tig is for like aluminum rvs and those metals bud when using steel or metal i whould use mig because its lots and lots easier than tig tig is very hard i think u realy need to practise tig a lot lot a lot more than mig bud in the end tig is the best for a lot of materials bud mig is like easier to learn bud tig looks a lot more artfull
Thank you!
Tim...i don't know if you'll see this. I'm intrigued by TIG welding. I'm a retired man on a fixed income. I would like to try TIG welding. Should I buy a cheaper DC 110V tig machine to weld steel? Or should I buy a much more expensive AC/DC dual voltage machine? We don't have 220V at homesite. It would be a "hobby" type situation. Should I just skip TIG altogether because of the cost? I know it would need a lot of practicing to even start.
Tim. Continuing. I don't know if I would be any good at tig welding. Like I said, would I be wasting my time and money?
MIG can be done with one hand. TIG needs two coordinated hands.
You're talking about MIG welding, not MAG - so argon or argon/helium to everything.
TIG - argon or argon/helium to everything.
Where's the protection gas difference ?
:P
It’s technically MAG in steel, but hardly anyone calls it that in the US, so I’m just using the common term. If you want to use technically correct terminology, gas metal arc welding GMAW is better.
stick will always be my favorite
Your videos are amazing and really helpful. Thank you for sharing such valuable content.
I'm curious if MIG welding would be a suitable choice for constructing a basic steel bumper for a Jeep. By "basic" I mean a design that is relatively simple with minimal angles or curves. Thank you!
MIG would be perfect for that. Sounds like a great project!
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good explanation. Thank you!
There were a lot of words here. All I was looking for was which was better. If you weld a hammer the size of a building, which one wouldn’t cause the hammer head to break off? Which one breaks first, cause that one is the worse of the two.
It doesn’t work that way, unfortunately. The joints will have equivalent strength if they are done well.
Great videos, Tim. Will likely hook up with your online (paid) course. Oh, yea, one last thing: 30-24! Back to Back to Back! Go Blue! Sorry, could not resist.
Hi,
I would like to get my existing Incline/Decline bench welding done with some minor adjustments..
So can you guide me, which type of welding is heavy duty..
In Google it shows TIG welding
Depending on what you want to do as in a career. In NYC tig is usually king in manufacturing, large pipe and working on buildings, they usually do stick etc.
A lot of people I knew went with tig because around here, you could land a low pace manufacturing job which usually has bathrooms, parking lots, heat and a/c etc.
Here in the uk I bought a stick, mig, tig lift 120 amp welder from a company called static arc for £140. I had a couple of practices at mig welding 2 pieces of 2mm steel together in preparation for a pedal trike project I have and was surprised how much easier mig welding seems to be compared to stick welding. I’ve recorded the settings so I’m near as possible prepared for my project.
The tig attachment has to be purchased separately at £27 but the kit seems good value for the price and OK for a part time novice learning AMATEUR welder.
The advice in the videos are really usefully. Thanks.
Great info my friend✅
Just the advice I was looking for. I was considering using TIG on a new project but I have a time constraint and really need to learn it first. So its back to MIG for now. Thanks Tim👍
Thanks for the explanatiin learned Tig welding in high school auto body work shop. 45 years later i need to learn it again. Thx
I can use any type of welding machine... Steady hand is the key
Im going to start building own rat rod soon and get all equipment what is best for welding chassis and sheet metal?
Great video 👍👍
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Thanks. That was very informative.
All my question answered thanks
Is mig good for body panels to frame rails?
I would probably get a multi-process machine unless you know you need AC TIG.
Miller Multimatic 220 ACDC does everything INCLUDING MIG ... but I'm not laying out $4500 for my home shop (non-business need).
Great video. Thanks for the info.
Tig
This was great, thank you
Very good info . thanks
The most important is no spark at Tig
Mig is a *lot* harder than it looks (if you want your welds to look decent *AND* be strong.)
I felt *really* rushed when doing 1/16 square tubing. The results often resembled *bat guano,* even though they were strong enough.
Then, there’s aluminum sheet metal - .040 or so - with spot-welds.
Use a smaller wire like 0.023"for the thinner metal. The 0.30 and 0.35 wire piles up to much excess filler on thin metal. Too thick wire you can't get hot enough or you will burn holes in the weld and is a contributing factor to bat crap looking welds. Also tune in the wire speed and heat settings first on a scrap piece of steel. Grinding the steel clean with a 36grit fiber disc on a air sander/grinder. 0.023" wire with a U shaped bead really allows you to slow down the weld speed for a nicer looking weld. Linçoln Viking 3350 helps to see what you are welding.
nice informative video
Hi, will I be able to access your online courses in the uk ?
Hi are you on benefits and where you from because there are company's that will do your welding course for you and possibly fund it depending on your situation.
Nice explanation
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Yes, very professional
Thank you 🔥
Forget both of them and do stick!! 😁
around 4.30 you are wrong, with the mig ind dirty area you mess up things as opposed to tig you can use the tig to burn all inpurities before you weld which you cant with mig, i experienced it with a sugar tanker
You clean the area with the tungsten arc first before welding? If I had steel cleaned up but still full of pitting from rust, how do you think tig would go?
why this cathedral acoustics? plse use some acoustic damping material! Video is great !!
Bro... seriously... you can’t just have that go cart sitting there and not show us what’s up with it.😆
So is MIG welding the same as "flux core wire feed" welding?
They're both wire feed processes, and generally, most MIG welders also do flux core, but they're not the exact same. MIG uses a shielding gas, flux core doesn't. Polarity is also flipped between the two.
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