N-buna the Wallflower of Vocarock (2012-2016)
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2020
- Today I take a look at N-Buna. One of Vocaloid's most celebrated producers in recent years and his complicated relationship with Vocaloid's rock scene. Thanks again for 1000 subs love you.
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I knew n-buna from Yorushika. Didn't know he was a vocaloid producers back then
I love a lot of n-buna’s songs, especially since his peak was during my angsty middle school years, when First Train and Kafka and Dawn and Firefly felt so raw and real.
My favorite of his has to be Snow White. It doesn’t have a full animated video like some of his others but that simplicity in its video, with the text against different close-ups of the art, is part of what makes it beautiful, honestly. It feels like something you can connect to, especially since you never get a good idea of who the speaker themselves are. You know what the person they saw on the bench is like, though, and you know what the pain feels like.
And of course, the scenery falling away at the end to reveal the two girls... even though it was fairly easy to tell what the image was before, there’s something so stunning about seeing the rest of the world fall away, as if nothing else matters, or even exists at all. The simplicity of the video makes this moment so much more impactful, and goes nicely with the ambiguity of the story.
At the end, we’re still left with ambiguity-are the two girls in the image representing the speaker and the one on the bench, or does it represent some sort of mirrored self-love?-and the open note of the ending, where we can presume the speaker decided to spit out the poison and keep living.
I love ranking things, so out of over a thousand favorite vocaloid songs, Snow White is my third. There’s just something about it that makes me keep coming back, and keep belting it out when I’m alone in my car.
Thanks for the video. I really appreciate these analyses of Vocaloid music, because the scene is certainly complex and doesn’t get the formal discussion in the West that it deserves.
If you ever publish that list I would love to read it some time!
I entered the fandom this year (pretty late) so thank you to introducing to vocaloid producers and their history
Welcome. :D
Omg that's so cool welcome!
I joined last year and wow I feel like I missed out on a ton
@@denandagain just keep it on your pace.. and dont try to catch up on the vocaloid...
chill and just discover something naturally ^^
I have an (un)healthy obsession with N-buna's Yoake to Hotaru.
That is all.
There's nothing unhealthy about that, that's just taste
My favourite yoake to hotaru is the one where he sings it himself.
It justs fits so perfectly.
Same here
Too much yoake to hotaru
Same, I always find myself coming back to that song whenever I want to listen n-buna
@@clairle1997 Yoake to hotaru is my comfort song
Your ending statement about how Orangestar and n-buna still continue to make vocaloid music despite mostly everyone "having packed up and left" was genuinely reassuring as a vocaloid fan for so many years. I've noticed a sort of "tranquil state" the community has been in for awhile, which has made me worried that vocaloid music was going to slowly wither away.
But as you said:
"This isn't the end. It's just a long needed rest."
Made me still have hope for the future of vocaloid music 🙏 Thank you for the video and keep up the great work 👍
I am a fan of n-buna. It's also been a long time since I've listened to N-Buna, a man of more subtle expressions who has always fused the emotions he wants to convey into his work. He is also a man who is very much in love with his own work, as much as he is with his music. He also recently deleted his Twitter account because he wanted people to like and follow his work instead of following him as a person. Hopefully, N-BUNA will keep going to make music that he himself loves. Thank you so much for telling us and I hope you can introduce more VOCALOID creators.
I just watched every video you’ve put out in a single night bro you’re the only person I’ve ever found who likes to analyze and talk in depth about vocaloid and when I try to talk about depression and mental health in vocaloid with my friends they go “but blue pig tail anime waifu” MAD respect your videos are all so informative and dedicated I just wanna talk to you about vocaloid for 7 hours
It's what I'm here for, you made my day thank you haha
the tale of the deep sea lilly is propably my favorite vocaloid song ever, deep down i feel it, its like the incorporation of my middle school years, the nostalgia this song holds for me is so grand that just by hearing you say its name or seeing the little clips in the video while you talk made me almost cry
Thanks for the video.
I really only knew n-buna from Transparent Elegy, Tale of the Deep Sea Lily as well at the collab song with Orangestar, Star Night Show.
I always wanted to check out more of their stuff, but I've had a hard time checking out music lately. I remember how when I first got into Vocaloid, how whenever I found a new producer I liked I would check out every song of theirs, commit them to memory, because I loved just the feeling of having a favourite producer.
The first one was probably Nem, then Hitoshizuku and Yama, then Neru, then HoneyWorks, then Deco*27, then Scop...
Sadly I ended up feeling like I had to keep up with every Vocaloid song a producer I liked made, and I ended up feeling pressured into liking something I may not have liked, and in the end I felt like I wasn't "a true Vocaloid fan" and ended up quitting.
It was only somewhat recently when I listened to some of Pinocchio-Ps work that I got into Vocaloid again. The song "I'm Glad That You're Evil Too" truly touched me, and before I knew it I had a new favourite producer. I remembered all these songs I used to like and I became happy again.
When you grow up its easy to dismiss everything you liked as a teen, saying that it was all bad, and you were dumb for liking it. It was your video on Neru that made me listen to Nerus songs again, and I love them every bit as much as I did back then. I still relate to them.
I never managed to make friends who were into Vocaloid, and I never knew as much as the Vocaloid fans I met online, so I was kinda stuck in the middle. It's why I like these videos. Thank you for making them.
Sometimes its nice to have validation saying you're not weird for liking this music, I guess.
I'll try to check out n-bunas other work. Because I really liked the songs I've heard so far. So thank you for the video.
You should never feel bad about enjoying something that you love but we definitively all do it.
I hit those phases too with vocaloid growing up but I realized somewhere along the way that I wasn't me without it.
If my videos make you feel more confident about liking vocaloid then I feel like I'm doing my job right thank you
I'm constantly in struggle of listening to your narration and listening to the bgm specially in N-buna videos....
Is the background music still too loud? I've had complaints about that in the past
@@ubnubmaster I'm sorry.. didn't meant that to sound negative... it was actually subtle enough to have your narration clear...
it's just I automatically focus on the music no matter how low it's volume... that's how much I love their music
I get you! I have to watch the video at least two times so I can focus on the background music and the narration lol
I think n-buna is great, but gotta say my favourite "summer" loving producer is 100% Orangestar. Plz make a video for that genius.
I learned about N-buna from Yorushika.
Really love their songs!
In my opinion. Nbuna's music' is definitely to be a part of my summer. And that is a fantastic video. Thank you.
Thank you so much for making this video! n-buna is my personal favorite vocaloid producer/artists, and the way he composes his songs really resonated with me, even with his works in Yorushika, I want to add some reasons why people also love n-buna:
My best friend who isn't a huge on vocaloid or anything that sounds electronic, really got into n-buna and love his work. She said the main reason (besides the lyrics and song writing) was because the way he tunes his vocaloid felt realistic, she claimed that there was a sense of sadness/desperation behind the vocaloid's voice, while weirdly still sounding like vocaloid. n-buna's music felt human and real.
Another reason, from my eyes, n-buna has this artistic motif to his works. This is a lot more apparent (I think) with his work in Yorushika, the many references to sumner imagery, characters with clouded/hidden faces, and even standalone themes like in Theatre Love Song with a more theatrical concept. It was very captivating and special to n-buna.
And of course, the lyrics. I think the concepts and ideas n-buna brings to the table is fantastic. That's Why I Gave Up On Music (Yorushika) is a song that connected to my best friend as she understands the feeling of giving up on perusing her passion just to survive in the world where money>happiness. First Train and Kafka had a line that was along the lines of "I realized that perhaps money is needed for a dream to come true", it really made you question that line and ultimately realize that sometimes happiness comes from money (example: healing someone you love who's in the hospital). And even sometimes the way you interpret his songs are fascinating, Say It (Yorushika) to me conveyed that you should be more honest and clear when showing love to people you care about, or else you'd regret it when they pass away, its beautiful yet melancholic.
All in all, lovely video! Can't wait for the next! Would love to see Ghost be talked about at some point ^^
i recently found your channel and it is amazing,
for a small channel you do a lot of research and you have a soothing voice.
i really enjoy binging your videos as I'm autistic, so when I find something I like I stick to it :p
Vocaloid has been a part of my life since 2015, thank you for portraying it amazingly
Yes thank you for your videos. I can understand the music of each vocaloid producer better now. Next time can you do it for Orangestar please?
N-buna's electronic-infused rock sound is precisely the reason why he's one of my all-time favorite Vocaloid p's. He's not the first one to do electro-rock sounds; however, he executes it so well, that he makes a great impression.
Tbh, while I have been a huge fan or rock growing up, I did feel like the Vocaloid scene got oversaturated with a particular rock sound. And that's where n-buna sticks. He brings something fresh with his sound.
I am going to say that my favorite works of his are his slower atmospheric rock songs like "Hotaru to Yoake" and "Marieux" (There's some more, but I forgot some of their titles. I'll check them out again, since they're just sitting in my iTunes library untouched for some time).
That said, I am glad he's doing well as Yorushika. I listened to one of his albums (as Yorushika) in my flight, during a vacation to Tokyo last year, and it was really great!
I hope his stuff (both as n-buna and Yorushika) is on Spotify, so I could check his other stuff out.
So yeah, thanks for the video, and I look forward to your next one!
All his albums are on spotofy (both Yorushika and his vocaloid work) it's how I listen to most of his stuff now
@@ubnubmaster oof I checked Spotify just now, and yeah, I can see that his works available. I really just wanted to make sure that they're available in my region. Also because I know that some Voca-Ps' discographies over there are incomplete. (Like Fullkawa Honpo, my all-time fave Vocaloid producer. His Spotify page only mostly includes his indie work outside of Vocaloid. Which sucks, because I loved his style as a Vocaloid producer) But yeah, thanks for the heads up! 😁
😌
I am really glad I came across this channel. aside from all of the obvious mutual respect, I am mostly glad that there is someone who is giving out vocaloid information in the western part of the world because I have spent years looking for something like this. There is always a lingering fear that vocaloid is going to be dead in the coming years and it makes me glad to see that there are still western fanbases that i can interact with and i hope that this channel stays afloat for years to come because this is a beautiful misunderstood community that would be loved by everyone if they just gave it a chance.
idk really sorry for the crusty rant. Just felt very happy and relieved to see this channel so thank you very much
You're doing some important work for the fandom my dude!
Thank you my dude!
Thank you for the video I really love all your videos.
I keep learning so much with your videos. Thanks for the hard work!
Awesome channel, it gave me a new perspective on the various producers in vocaloid beyond just the surface layer of their songs. Loved the commentary on one of my 2 favourite producers recently, n-buna and orangestar
Just discovered your channel. I was looking for more vocaloid discussion in English. I'm glad I found your channel. I hope that if you keep it up, you can build a big following.
I've recently begun to hear a lot of n-buna's songs and boy, he has surely become on of my favorite vocaloid artists out there!
I enjoy your videos a lot the way you conduct your video essays makes them very entertaining and addictive, one of my favorite producers is utsu-p and i would love to hear you speak of his work
Yessss nbuna songss
Yo!
Congrats on the 1,000 subs! you definitely deserve it!
more subscribers and more videos!!
Haha thanks Cusheen don't worry more in the works
Please do an Orangestar video!
This is my first time ever hearing of N-buna but I am now very interested. comment
I like Ryuryu. Awesome artist
Can you do a video about Kikuo? :>
I've been thinking about this -- YES KIKUO!!
"Source from Karin's channel"
Ah, I see you're a true OG as well
Great video. I faceTimed my friend, and made him watch the entire video with me as I watched it live. I hope he subscribes and joins the Ubnub Nation. Road to 10k subs!
Okay, this has nothing to do with this video & I apologize for that up front, but this is the newest video on this channel, so my question has the greatest likelihood of being read & answered if I post it here. Anyway, here we go:
Why do all the English vocaloid songs I'm looking up seem to sound so fake & robotic when compared to albums like SuperCell & Unhappy Refrain, which are like 10 years old & sung in a language I don't understand? On those albums, Miku sounds like a "real person" to me. Maybe she DOES sound fake & robotic to someone who actually speaks Japanese, but, to me, I hear her emotions coming thru the songs, I hear her breathing, I'm able to forget that she's a machine & just relax & experience the music. I'm able to like Miku as an artist & enjoy her personality, like I would a human singer, in spite of so many different producers using her program to make so many different kinds of music. It's like she "becomes real" when I-m listening to her sing.
Maybe I-m just to naive & stupid about music & I'm deceiving myself into thinking Miku & her cohorts sound real, when they actually sound like jangly machines to someone with a real ear for music, & that's why hearing vocaloid in English sounds so jarring & discordant? Cuz I can't listen to the English vocaloid stuff I've found online. It sounds terrible to me, like the Chipmunks if they sounded like the voice on my Mom's blood sugar monitor.
So, what is it? Do Miku & Co. really sound as jangly & robotic as their American cohorts sound to me, & I-m just deceived cuz I don't speak Japanese & can't tell how fake it all sounds? Or are there English vocaloid producers who's stuff sounds as good as the Japanese stuff, & I haven't found them yet? Or is the English technology not as good as the Japanese tech? What is going in here?! I want to hear Miku sing in English the way she sounds like to me when she sings in Japanese. Is this even possible?
Okay to start, you're definitively not the only one who feels this way. I can say I feel almost exactly the same way.
One thing you have to keep in mind with albums like Supercell and Unhappy Refrain, is that by the time they came out, Ryo and Wowaka were considered experts by their counterparts. They had poured, god only knows, how many hours of their lives into making music using vocaloid. Those albums were also made in professional scenarios were they had access to studios, support from music labels, and so forth. And even at the time, those producers were considered extraordinary compared to their peers and that's why even 10 years later those albums still sound amazing.
I studied Japanese in college and I can tell you, from first hand experience, that the Japanese spoken by vocaloids is difficult to understand. That's why you always see subtitles on every music video that comes out. Now of course it's a case by case situation. Some producers can make some absolutely amazing songs in terms of tuning that really don't need subtitles and well others can't.
I will agree with you that I can't really listen to vocaloid in English either, but I think it's a matter of experience in this situation. The English software is definitively up to par with the Japanese software. I mean Crypton Future Media had been playing with English since they put out Luka in 2009. They've invested a ton of time and money into making the English versions of their programs too.
The reality of the matter is that there is far less use of English software compared to it's Japanese counterpart and there are still very few people willing to use it. Not to mention the small number of vocaloid producers outside of Japan. But even then, those few producers will still choose to use Japanese to appeal to the market most of the time. I mean look at people like Cillia, she's from California and the majority of the work she does is in Japanese.
It's very much possible to make great sounding music that sounds real with Vocaloid in English. Listen to a song like echo (ua-cam.com/video/cQKGUgOfD8U/v-deo.html) for example, I think that song sounds absolutely amazing in my opinion.
So in my eyes, making amazing songs in English using vocaloid isn't really about the software. It simply just comes down to experience and time investment, and not many producers have focused on expanding their ability to tune in English until very recently (like maybe the last 5 years really).
Hope this helps :)
@@ubnubmaster Thank you SO VERY MUCH for taking the time to write me back. I really appreciate it!
So, albums like Supercell & Unhappy Refrain were created by geniuses who had put the time & effort in to making their art as perfect as they knew how & who had the support of the labels & facilities to make the best albums they could. So, those masterworks come down to talent, sweat equity, & money, like most things of true beauty are.
Second, Japanese vocaloid voices sound as odd to a Japanese speaker as my 1st encounters with English vocaloid sound to me. That's really cool to know! I don't speak a word of Japanese I didn't crib from anime, so all I can hear is a beautiful roar! LOL
Lastly, & sadly, it looks like my beloved country is behind the curve when it comes to true forms of creativity, AGAIN! I'm always looking at anime & manga & vocaloid & whatever & saying, "Now, why couldn't WE do that?!" I know some people actually ARE, but they are so far away from mainstream, somebody like me probably wouldn't hear about them in a million years, which is really sad.
Having said that, Echo really IS awesome! Got any more?! And I really love your channel. I always enjoy learning about new things (well, new to me, anyway!) In music, writing, art, animation, & the like, so folks like you are a true blessing!
Title of the song please