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- Is it a Valve or a Tube? Different people call it by different names, but the rich history of the Thermionic Valve (or Vacuum Tube) can help us reach some conclusions. Let's settle this argument once and for all...
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Is it a Valve or a Tube? Different people call it by different names, but the rich history of the Thermionic Valve (or Vacuum Tube) can help us reach some conclusions. Let's settle this argument once and for all...
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It's always been a valve.
Great video
right there in the name; vacuum tube*
* ;) cheers with tongue-in-cheek U.S. sarcasm
Valve
Well, Colin, I have always wondered why the Imperialists across the Atlantic, always referred to the Vacuum Tube as a Valve, and you have done a Bang Up Job of explaining it !
I do appreciate it when someone takes the time to do some research in order to explain differences between peoples takes on particular subjects !
So, Thanks, Colin, For All That You Do !
This is the best channel on YouValve no doubt
Of course, YouValve for british realm.
@@dildojizzbaggins6969 when did i ask you?
You should do a video where it starts normal but as the video progresses, your accent gets stronger and stronger until eventually it's just incoherent yelling
Don't tempt me, I'm pretty close to doing just that.
@@ScienceofLoud or in the middle of a sentence just shout WHAT ARE YOU DOIN IN MY SWAMP
We want it! We needet! Freedom!
Gee us a break, will ye?
@@ScienceofLoud no balls
Edison failed to realise it's potential because he hadn't found anyone he could steal that idea from yet :p
Tru dat
Well said
HA!! Awesome!!!!!
Accurate
nice one
0:29
I'm gonna eat your guitar pickups, rn
@@Duskusbunny I agree
"intellectual thief, animal executioner, "inventor" of the lightbulb"
😂😂😂😂
Nailed it!
History doesn't consider Edison as the inventor of the light bulb. Only people who aren't up on their history think that. They likely also believe that Abe Lincoln "could not tell a lie" & George Washington had wooden teeth and chopped down the cherry tree, too 😆
Patenting the first commercially successful bulb ≠ invented. Not by a long shot. The fact that you don't get this is a shame. The light bulb was invented 80 or 90 years before Edison patented his bulb. No one with any amount of sense reads that and still thinks Edison invented it. As I said, the ones who do likely haven't learned anything about history since grade school, which is where you hear those sorts of things.
That felt like 30 minutes of info in five minutes. Never change! It was brilliant!
Yeah I had to pause a few times to let things sink in.
Agree with @flekkzo ... information density is a _GOOD_ thing.
Is this crap, or a metal zone? It all depends on which side of the preamp you are on...
Brian May´s guitar tech said it best “We call them valves the tubes we ride in London you see”
except you can't "ride" a tube. You can ride a train going through a tube. The people who invented the language really should know that.
He doesn't ride the trains anymore
Marshall, Vox, Hiwatt, Orange, Laney = Valve amps
Fender, Mesa, Jet City, Peavey = Tube amps
Very clever
I see nine thermionic valve amp manufacturers listed :o)
Sovtek = электронная лампа amps
Wangs = 电子管 amps
The valve is encased within a glass vacuum tube. That is why we call them tubes. We don't call light bulbs filaments, we call them light bulbs.
But in the entertainment business, lamps are called instruments and bulbs are called lamps.
pringles come in a tube.
you call them Pringles
@@George.Andrews. pringles are a brand name of a potato chip that comes in a can. We call them a can of pringles or tube of pringles.
@@DanRaymondYoung and entertainers apparently don't know anything except what they're talented at.
It's "lamp" in Russia and most likely everywhere in Eastern Europe.
moth meme time
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In Greece they are called butt plugs.
Lampamagnari in iceland, translated Lamp-amplifier. Maybe we should just be calling it lampamps, Rolls off the tongue
Hans Grueber, no, they are colloquially called "lamps".
Sorry for ruining your unfunny, tasteless "joke".
This channel needs to be hosted on the science channel as well. Great knowledge lives here.
great explanation, but your American accent sounds like an American doing a Scottish accent
In German it's called "Röhre" which is the German word for "Tube".
In France we commonly call them "lampes" witch mean, you guessed it, lamps...
Lamp (or the Lamp) keeps cropping up a lot when I put various Guitar amp reviews though Google translator.
Further evidence that the words 'German engineering' alone mean absolutely nothing. I recently saw razor blades advertised with 'German engineering'. THat said, Ventil-verstärker or Klappen-verstärker does sound funky.
In Spanish we call them Bulbos
Margil io5150 Where are you from? Where I live they are 'válvulas', or sometimes 'lámparas', but that sounds kind of old-fashioned to me.
The UK and the USA are two countries divided by a common language.
Scott Stevenson
Nah... those Brits speak the worst American I’ve ever heard.😉🤪
As long as they're not divided by common sense, I think it's still fine... Are they?
“By the mid sexties...” Sounds like a hot time to be alive.
Another great education video and the colony humor is well received. Great channel ⚔
Audio bulb
Guys, i have a feeling Colin likes KTs. Look at his face when he says "Bim teh-trod".
This is in trend topic on YouValve!
There's also the terminology difference of "Condenser" and "Capacitor" :)
Capacity is what it has, condense is what it does (can do). Its capacity is its value, hence 'Capacitor'. As a young (starter) TV engineer in the 1950's, this really confused me. So what is it when it isn't condensing (reservoir)? Like when it's coupling (DC block or -ve grid biassing), or filtering (by-passing). Then like the fool I was, I read an American electronics book, and got really confused.
You gotta be careful with saying you can count the number of something on one hand - there are weirdos (like me, and I suspect probably yourself too) who can count to 31 on one hand.
There are 10 types of people in the world.
Those who understand what you are talking about, and those who don't.
Lol
@@ScienceofLoud oh it's a binary joke
Classic!
9 is the most metal number if you're going little endian
So that settles it then; it's a tube............................heheheheh
Really good vid. Far more accessible than others I've seen.
no one cares about all that.... it's a tube.
Great lesson. 😁
I, personally, encourage you to do more of those 👍
yeah, they are really good videos
Not going to lie, it took me a minute to realize when you say valve you meant tube. Since we have valvestate, tubestate, valve, and tube amps EVERYWHERE its great to know what the actual difference is between them. So thank you very much Colin.
Think you missed the point of the video lol
This video is talking about water valve under the sink.😄😉
Now you are going to have to explain how solid state amps works ! ^^
Great job, keep it up !
LMAO. I'll keep my vacuum tube driven amps and my American freedom
> CSGuitars posts New Video entailing differences in National Nomenclature for guitar-related things.
> I click to watch said video.
> Read provided description of Thomas Edison
> Pause video and say "ouch" aloud.
You're a brilliant man, Colin. Don't ever change.
Cheers from the Colonies!
It's not just that they "look like" tubes, it's a description of what they are rather than what it does. They're glass tubes (closed at one end like a test tube), and they have a vacuum inside them. Thus a vacuum tube.
This is great. Insightful, informative, and funny to remind Americans that we name things for what they look like, rather than what they do.
Great vid Colin. Every kid that picks up a guitar should see this....
You brits drive on the wrong side of the road. I’m just saying...
Hands down one of the best videos I've ever watched. Absolutely perfect. You NEED a show on TV.
I still don’t understand how this channel hasn’t gotten more subs he deserves more subs
I'm sorry, but Chewb is short for Chewbacca.
No, I'm not really sorry at all.
In French, we call them "lampes", which is basically... lamps!
Never , something about a red glow will never lose my love for tube/valve amp .
Lol in USA it's called it's called chuubb
Great video Colin! For what it's worth, we use the term "tube" because it seems to be the international standard that everyone understands. And, as mentioned elsewhere down here, "Röhre" is the German term, and that translates as "tube" :) Mind you, we're looking at other options these days anyway!
I'm sure you were just joking (?) and I have nothing against British people, but I have to say this anyway. Maybe we ex-British colonists should have let you handle those Germans by yourselves. Then you could have explained to them the difference between valve and tube.
Yeah, maybe if you guys had jumped in from the start like everybody else instead of pretending like it wasn't your problem until someone sank a boat.
America waded in fresh as a daisy and fully equipped to a war that had been going on for several years, assisted in defeating an army that was already depleted in resources and stretched across several fronts, and still has the audacity to act like they won.
That's like joining a marathon for the last 100m, sprinting across the finish line and then claiming victory.
America should be ashamed, rather than proud, of its decisions during that time in history.
Its pronounced like Toob, not tewb..lol
the inventor was british.
the brits lost the language in the war.
therefore it is a tube.
you're welcome.
W-what?
That American accent hurt my soul.
Colin, serious question. I'm planning on using my TubeMeister 40 for the next 45years or so, after which time I'll probably be looking forward to dying. You think it's worth me stocking up on spares now? In case I need a replacement when I'm 60 and the parts just aren't available.
You know? I never seriously thought about the question but I'm damn sure glad you answered it. That was a great little history lesson. Keep up the great content!
You’ve been on UA-cam for years now and I’m almost disappointed that you don’t have more subscribers ! But keep making videos like this and your channel will flourish !
That was the worst American accent ever
britbongs out here trying to dictate terminology when they call chips crisps
We call chips chips, it's you who calls chips fries and crisps chips like some maniac weirdo people.
Scottish, but with an English superiority mindset
I just sometimes like to kick back against all the American superiority I have to endure.
Sex ale sex tubes... Gotta love them
“tHe uSA”. At least we succeeded in our independence
We'll be joining you shortly.
Just as soon as we've stockpiled enough tea to chuck into the Clyde.
Oaft, too soon
Colin - Don't you mean Buckie. It's the Edinburger lovies that drink tea!
No, I'm referring to how the Americans destroyed massive shipments of British tea by dumping it into the Boston Harbour in their war of independence.
Also, I think you underestimate how many Edinburgh folk consume Buckie.
I love when physics don't feel like magic and I can actually have fun learning about stuff
As a public service for those people who couldn't understand Colin's final address to camera, I have translated it as: "Give us a break with that tube patter!"
The fuck is patter?
@@mr.nobody68 Crap.
@@mr.nobody68 Patter is just talking. Y'know, having a yarn, chatting, a bit of gossip. God we've too many ways of saying the same thing.
Lets just call it a ValveTube (or VT) and stop all this squabbling.
Do I sense a snooty disdain for America and Americans? To bad, I use to kind of like this channel. Alienate your audience, that's a good tactic! ...Unsubscribe.
Well, they do say that Americans don't understand sarcasm...
@@ScienceofLoud Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin. =P
Not even Rob Chapmann could distinguish valve vs. kemper. "Can Kemper save Chappers" it's called.. ;-P
Not sure I followed your presentation as I'm a bit thick, however I do know you will have to prise my Marshall 1959HW amp from my cold dead hands before I give up using VALVE'S
I thank you !
:)
Fucking interesting!
Good video man and interesting history. Edison 'stole' his lightbulb design from Joseph Swan. Instead of fighting about it they partnered up and formed the Ediswan Company. I believe Ediswan were the first UK manufacturer of valves for radio / amplification.
Okay okay. I live on your side of the big pond but call them "Röhre" so...I'm not partaking in this argument
loved the "tube" accent. spot on hahaha
It's "elektronka", while amp with those is "lampový zasilovač" (lamp amp) or in slag "flaškovej zesik" (bottle amp). /end of czech language lesson/
Watching video like "Ok. Makes sense. Grid biased... Anode whosits... Dull Scottish voiced white noise playing as consciousness ebbs away... Hit like and subscribe" and I'm back to reality.
The Fleming _thermionic valve_ was invented in UK, where we speak English (as opposed to the US where they speak American English). It was a bulb (bulbous) [1:29] rather than a tube (cylindrical), and rather than call it a bulb it was called a _valve_ as that was its function.
The first triode was a bulb, and not a tube.
Most early valves were not tubular, but did have the function of _valves_ .
Why on earth 'Merkins began to call non-tubular devices 'tubes' is a mystery.
As for Television tube - apart from the gun end it is completely non-tubular. "TV Funnel" would me more appropriate.
Just because you call an object something by describing the action of it (valve) doesn’t mean it’s the absolutely only way to name it. Do you call a car a “drive”? 😂 Oh yeah, transistors in amps SUCK! They will never distort in the pleasing way tubes (valves) do.
Those colonies... "Eximperial British Conquest" :-D
As long as those English (not Scots...) remember the Danelaw.
:-D
Somebody in Finland has replicated the running 3rd harmonic from a 5 legged fet, thusly replicated the valve.
Is it metric? Asking for a friend.
Eighteen years ago, I had coronary bypass surgery. More recently, a friend had his aorta unravel and they had to surgically fix where it connects with his heart. *I* had tubes replaced, but *he* had a valve replaced (and a bit of tubing). Therein lies the difference.
Too many people know these glass puppies by their more common repair-bench name: "must-be-a-tube".
Hmmmm…Lee DeForest patented the Audion in 1903, not 1907. And, for the record, he called it the Audion Tube.
The other day, a video popped up in my feed of you restoring a guitar. Then it just so happens the next day, that I am starting to explore different amps and looking for some videos. I saw one video and clicked, and I skipped ahead because I just wanted to hear the sound of the amps, but then I said, ‘oh, it’s this dude. I’ll watch.’ Awesome informative super helpful stuff man. Thank you!
Colin, we Yanks pronounce it "toob", as Zeus intended.
The electronic amplifier was invented in America by Americans, like most modern, useful, important things (and a few really dangerous ones). Those inventors called those wee glass thingies, "toobs".
BTW, we are not an "ex-Imperial British conquest". In fact, you-all stole it from the Dutch as well as, as always, the indigenous Native Americans who lived here.
We like to think about all that as, "Opening a can of whoop-ass on the Brits." Makes us smile. A lot. :D
P.S. Yer "Black Watch" troops ("Ladies from Hell") are amazing and I'm glad we're now on the same side.
Cheers, mate.
Sometimes I have secondary emissions.....It all depends on what blond I'm dreaming about.
I always thought people in the UK called it valve but it was the same thing as tube. Then I saw this video title and thought I was wrong all this time. So then I watched the video just to learn I was right all along
Maybe a video on Tube/Valve interchanging? Like EL34 vs 6CA7 vs KT66... they have similar pinouts so they can be interchanged but is there a difference in sound? What if anything is involved in tube interchanging? Also preamp tubes... .AX AT AY AU.
Maybe a TATA video?
In Portuguese we call them "válvulas", which should be obvious. But in English I actually prefer "tubes".
I don't know why.
"Scotland (for the moment at least!)" Such a good detail! If you guys make it out, can a portion of Northern Ireland come chill too? (No offence intended to those who are proud to be members of UK; you have valid reasons which I respect)
Listen...make an entire video using American Accents and I'd watch it...even though I already watch most of your videos. I'd like a video entirely of American accents.
I live in Maryland, in the US. I use Valve and Tube more or less interchangably. But I tent to gravitate towards calling the British amps Valve Amps, and American amps Tube Amps. Occasionally, I will refer to the Amps themselves as Valve Amps, but the actual valves/tubes as Tube.
You told us "Thermionic Valve" for the British common use of valve. But then, you told us "Vacuum Tube" for the American common use of tube. Unfortunately the term "Vacuum Tube" is still a layman's common term. In the good old USA the equivalent technical name is "Electron Emission Tube". Just FYI or F everybody's I.
If Valve is an American gaming platform, shouldn't it be called Tube.
Doesn't matter what it is called as long as it does what it does. Nonetheless, a tube is in the mix while the overall composite may operate like a 'valve' in the circuit. But, what to call them as used in the amplification of a signal where they're being used to amplify the signal? A multiplier? :D
Interesting historical background is the best part of this bit, the humorous ribbing and debate over the name aside. B-|
Why do Brits get so sensitive over yanks calling them vacuum tubes? lol
Also, aren't they really transistors now? So, wouldn't calling them "valves" be tantamount to calling a car an "engine"?
Thank you Robert. Or are you a Bruce? Great video, tech terms are the worst things to deal with. I like the British title better. Now I can screw with my musician friends heads with this. They made fun of my $200 tube amp. Now, it's My turn. As a mechanic I often encountered unfamiliar terms in parts and repair manuals. Case in point. The huge nut that holds the flywheel onto a VW engine crankshaft: US: flywheel nut. Euro/German: gland nut. And let's not forget torque specs. American: foot or inch pounds. Euro: kilograms. I truly despise engineers whose designs intentionally make jobs more difficult than they need to be. Never make it easy, stack the accessories, make finding and removing fasteners as painfully difficult as possible. Henry Ford did that so the average person could not fix a problem, so that Ford owners would be forced to go to a pro, preferably a Ford dealer service mechanic.
Thanks for correcting me. From now on, I'll call them valves.
What the fuck did you say at the very end? Geesabrek wi'at tyoube powa.
Can you make a video like this explaining Wah Wah pedals? You're the only resource I use to "lairn" this kinda stuff.
Somebody told me that a Wah pedal works by cutting and boosting the bass and treble alternately.
Someone else says it's an envelope filter.
What's the truth?
Make that video, and I'll "subcreybuh".
Keep it "louad"
I live in Australia (which is typically British oriented when it comes to language) and even I get some confused looks when talking about "valves" as most guitarists here have learned to call them tube amplifiers (not toobs in this case).
Myself? I call them valves but use America's classification system for them. 12AX7, not ECC83. I just find it sounds better.
What about the audio characteristics of each valve? What is the difference between EL34, KT88, 6L6, that sort of thing? For example, KT100 is supposed to be the ideal valve for Drop A tuning or lower. But why? What can it do that other valves cannot? Which valve is best for which use, or are they all the same audio quality?
Can you make a video about this?
Nah, there will be companies reviving the technology, just like vinyl plants and film factories are sprouting up everywhere. It definitely will NOT be gone. XD
Great upload! About time somebody produced a vid providing a basic explanation with accompanying graphics of Valve designs
Britain: Valve
America: Tube
Canada: both, depends on who you ask
Excellent explanation of something I have been wondering for a long time!
Second video I've watched......I'm sold. Awesome content. I will now only refer to them as valve amps.
The glass is there just to hold the vacuum, the shape of the glass doesn't matter, metal was also used. The 1st diode valves were round and more like light bulb shaped. The triode came later and was made from a glass tube. Plate is also kind of dumb, cathode and anode add info to the device, plate could be anything. Why not dumb it down more and call the cathode the 'stick' and the control grid the wire bits!
It's called "electron tube" in Hungary but older people call the amps "lamp amp". :)
It's funny that the term "tube" (csöves) was used here for both the amplifiers and for the old-school rockers of the 80'ies who were wearing tight jeans (the term is referring to the the leg part of the trousers which is straight like a tube unlike those wide bootcut trousers that were in fashion in the 60-70'ies).
I find your videos intelligently witty and packed to the brim with useful info. Great work! To stay historically true, it should be mentioned that it was Edison who first discovered thermionic emission (www.britannica.com/science/thermionic-emission). Even though Edison, as you say, failed to recognize this potential, it must have helped others (e.g. Fleming) in their further discoveries.
Hey... now I'm thinking that calling transistors "solid state" is pretty funny, because it implies that the alternative is another state of matter instead of... you know, a lack of matter.
So what's the conclusion? They are interchangeable? Or tetrodes are valves and pentodes are tubes? You looked at the patents in order to tell us which term came first, but then you didn't actually give us the result.