Cataclysm Healer Tier List - How to Choose Your Main in Classic
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- An overview of each healer spec in cataclysm, their strengths and weaknesses, utility, and how fun they are to play. If you have questions put them in the comments, ill try to answer everything.
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:04 Raid Healing Tier List
05:30 Tank Healing Tier List
08:56 Mana
17:32 Throughput
18:46 Utility
29:39 Fun - Ігри
Dude I’ve been loving all your videos. You should’ve been a wow content creator all these years
thanks for the video! really helped me with my decision
Bad making decision from this video cus he has ranked stuff so wrong =P
A few points - you're never going to spam PW:S across a whole raid, its too expensive given the change to its mana return mechanic. Disc's best and most useful raid mechanic pre-shielding/absorbs will be based on stacking mastery and spamming PoH , which stacks the new mastery absorb up on 5 people at a time for less than the cost of a single PW:S. Also - Resto shaman mana efficiency is actually absurd - almost every fight has the scope to abuse a quick period of telluric currents regen, while leaning heavily on Healing rain/totem stacking to do massive, passive, mana efficient raid healing numbers while someone else helps tops the tank and spot heal.
Yeah, PoH preshielding is very strong and replaces PWS spam especially once you start to outgear content and have less mana issues. Youre right about rsham; the spec is very strong at what its good at and has no mana issues when it doesnt try to do other things.
or just use aoe heal? priest always ahd strongest aoe heals
@@Dualities Yes... PoH = Prayer of Healing, that was the point....
@@Dualitiesalways had but very hard to cast due to slow cast time. Holy priest has serendipity but no one plays holy
@@davidcardinal3654except every world first guild in og cata
Me as a Holy Paladin: 🍿videos great
i think your understelling holy priest a bit, did u even try/play holy priest ?
holy is at least as good as a disc in 25 man, prolly even better in alot of fights.
i played holy in wrath at a really high lvl (we had 2 holy priest in our 25 man)
disc is prolly better in 10 man but in 25 holy is for sure goated.
Its definitely strong throughput. I have a super good holy in my main raid and he pumps and we ran a holy priest for prog in uld/icc and did fine. Their problem is they dont bring the utility that disc brings, the spec is decently high skill to get full value out of esp compared to something like hpal/rsham, and theyre super squishy compared to rsham/druid/hpal. A disc doing 80% is much more valuable than a hpriest doing 80% imo just given how absorbs and atonement work.
They also suffer a bit from last patch first balance as they were meta for most of original cata and the other healers got a lot of buffs over the expansion, hpal most notably.
Also once gear scales up later in the expansion disc and hpal will be able to steal a lot of healing with aegis and hpal mastery which will impact the other healers similarly to how disc worked in WOTLK and most guilds dont want to drop disc/hpal for holy priest even though you can clear to content with any healer comp in cata.
@@doublezug7193 yea its prolly more of a question if u wanna bring two priests or not and if u do u can kinda run double holy for some fights and holy/disc for the other stuff. now that i thought about it a little more, we didnt play double holy all the time i think the other priest would sometimes play disc, but i only remember that for this 3 dragons fight, its been waaay too long xd
It's definitely not better than disc lmao. I can pre Aegis the entire raid and steal healing as disc.
could be wrong but i thought shaman ancestral healing buff is better than the others because it also gives 10% max health
Yes youre correct. Completely forgot to mention this. Good on the tank but also affects the raid if theyre in the healing rain which is great.
Are they doing fresh server for wrath?
No, there will be no fresh servers for cata and they wont be preserving any wrath servers afaik.
Alternative title: wrath paladin has no idea about cataclysm
seal of insight is 4% of BASE mana not total mana like back in wrath with seal of wis. its way worse now. Essentially its about 25% of what it was before.
Uhm I'm not sure I agree with your shaman rank in the mana department (and utility, read Edit2 below).
Since we're in the last patch, shamans will be using telluric currents with "spirit to hit %" talent to spam lightning bolt for an incredible amount of mana back, like a lot of mana.
Even so much so that most good shamans will be spam casting greater healing wave to purposefully drain mana and regen it in "dead times" with lightning bolt.
From the looks of it, resto shaman will fit that role of very fast high output (divine light / greater healing wave, etc) healing on low targets, as emergency.
Edit: I know I will sound like a Shaman shill, but I just want people to be a bit more informed
Edit2: Another thing is on shaman utility, you forgot it has a few more things:
1) Mana Tide Totem in a meta where mana management is actually a thing as you say
2) Tremor totem is a *raid* wide fear remove (you mentioned priest fear ward but not this one)
3) You can be in tank groups and use grounding to entirely by pass some mechanics
4) Spirit walker's grace, it's the only healer that can cast its best hardest throughput heals on the run (think al'akir tornado phase)
5) Most important, I believe it's the only class who brings Ancestral Healing HP buff (not just damage reduction), which increases the health pool of anyone you heal by 10%. This is great because every tick of Riptide triggers this, meaning you alone are the only provider of 10% extra health to tanks, as well as healing rain also triggering it on all the raid it heals
I agree the currents build will probably be the go to playstyle and has few mana issues. The totem utility can be brought by ele or enh so its not really unique and i expect the grounding stuff to be fixed/nerfed. Mana tide is decent but not exceptionally powerful. SWG is nice but the other healers have powerful instants as well with wog, pws, swiftmend, NS, etc.
I forgot to mention the ancestral healing hp which is a good point. That said, if your bdk main tank is good they wont ever die without it.
I gave the wrong impression if I made it seem like rsham is bad, I just dont think its as flexible as the other healers and is more like to be flexed than hpal/disc for example.
@@doublezug7193 Yeah I can respect that, I don't think you were shilling them out in a bad way, but there's a bit more utility to it and mana regen than what you laid out. But I will agree that some of the other shaman specs indeed bring some of those totems for sure.
But with the ways shaman will gear (heavy on spirit for hit), I think Mana Tide will end up being quite powerful in an expansion where mana mangement is super important. I think SWG is also super valuable, other healers do have instants but it's not "cast whatever you want for 15 seconds while walking" strong.
Overall though, I agree with your placement of the healers!
@@filipetedim NP, thanks for your analysis, well thought out.
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WHAT
Sorry but u as many others rating holy priests so low clearly got no idea about whats good and not. Method and other guilds at high ranking used one holy priest tje entire expansion because of the raid healing is so good and divine hymn is insane. Pls stop making shit like this without actually checking up properly.
Right... ppl is sleeping on Holy priest with no real arguments and theorycrafting at all. They are going with such a Wotlk mindset is so stupid. (And even in Wotlk hpriest was still really good if played correctly)
Method and other top high end guilds like Paragon used to take 2 Hpriests in most of Cataclysm fights, even Paragon took 3 hpriests for Cho'gal in tier 11, and 2 hpriests for Ragnaros in tier 12.
Hpriest throughput is insane. Not only that but in cata classic we are getting 4.3.4 balance changes where Holy priest got their Divine Hymn buffed 100% and the cooldown reduced to 3min which makes it the best throughput healing raid cooldown in the game as you can use it twice in a fight and during the channel it increases all healing received for everyone healed by 10% and also Sanctuary got buffed 35%.
Like... Divine Hymn for Tier 11 & 12 on top of the already high throughput of Hpriest it's going to be reaaaally strong.
Mana is not even a problem with Shadowfiend + Symbol of hope, innervate and Dream mana potions and just not using Flash heal like a fker and instead use Heal for the filller.
And if you manage to get your raid click Lightwell the healing is just absurd, but I can understand this can be hard for some people
@@Orgrimmar21 Well said, love ur comment and hope more people read this!
Were in last patch balance so what old guilds used during prog isnt as relevant. I think holy priest is strong and will do great throughput, I just think it has a stigma around it from pservers and it doesnt bring the same utility as others specs, namely disc. You can play/bring a hpriest to any raid and be just fine but I dont think the top guilds will run them and the modern wow community seems to fixate much harder on the meta than back in the old days so you might have trouble if you want to pug/gdkp/etc.
I would take a 99th percentile holy priest over a 95 percentile any other healer in cata but apples to apples id rather have hpal/disc/rsham flex/etc. if im really pushing prog.
@@doublezug7193 Disc utility is situational. Most of the hardest fights in tier 11 like Council, Magmaw or Alakir are heavy spread fights with a lot of healing checks.
I'd like to see how Barrier or Spirit link totem are useful if everyone is 10-15 yd apart of each other.
Only fights I would change spec to Disc is Maloriak or Nefarian and still I would bring either a Rdruid or Hpriest alongside Disc.
There's an specific reason Rdruid, Hpal and Hpriest were meta back in the day and it mostly has to do with Dmg patterns in Tier 11 and 12.
All Pservers were Dragon soul raid where Disc was actually better than Holy. But tier 11 and 12? Holy priest was the superior priest spec.
And the fact that we're in 4.3 just makes Holy priest better at launch than before.