PAINT TALK: Why I DON'T like TIGHT painting as much as LOOSE painting
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In this weeks Paint Talk I discuss why I like loose painting more than tight painting and give advice on how to loosen up your painting.
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Hi, I am the son of two artists and began painting in my hometown of Richmond, Virginia before I could walk. I was a rare combination of artist and athlete so I moved to Los Angeles in 2008 to play football for USC. I left the team my sophomore year to focus on painting and filmmaking, applying the same focus and discipline from my football career to my art. I primarily work in oils, and spend most free days painting "en plein air" in my new home of Sarasota Florida.
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When I see hyper realistic paintings I think "wow! you mean that's a painting?" when I see a great loose painting I think "wow! What a show stopper!" I prefer to acknowledge a great painting than questioning if it's one.
The fewer marks on a painting, the more perfect each one has to be.
true true
Reminds me of pixel art, where you are limited to a few pixels, each one has more importance
Absolute right about seeing loose painting in person! When I first saw a Monet, Van Gogh and a Rembrandt I was completely blown away! Seeing them up CLOSE is literally life-changing!
I think Rembrandt is the greatest portraitist of all time
@@123agidee_2 Yep, Rembrant's portraits are epic and ahead of their time. And Van Gogh is such a great Impressionist. The thick impasto strokes . . .
These paint talk videos are so helpful. Starting too early with detail and a small brush is perhaps my biggest problem.
There is one major quandary within the distinction between "tight" and "loose". With subject matter that is already known to the viewer, a painter can get away with a very loose interpretation of the subject matter. The eye of the viewer fills in the missing information. If the artist is creative enough to invent something that no one has ever seen before, they must render it accurately enough to communicate to the viewer what it is that they are seeing. Keep in mind also, that our perception of "tight" and "loose" depends on how closely we view a painting. Many pieces that appear "tight" can reveal a great deal of interesting painterly abstraction when viewed up close.
Y3s stev3, I totally agree. Because you see, a painting is best appreciated from a distance🤌
I dunno
Nobody had ever seen a Van Gogh before but they filled in the details just fine
I agree. There's something magical about how a loosely-painted canvas comes together when you step back. Photo-realist painting certainly demonstrates a skill, but it's a skill that can be matched and surpassed by a photograph. Both have their place. A painter friend once said, paintings should be of ordinary things; it's the study of those subjects that elevates them. Photographs should be records of extraordinary things, a moment captured. There are exceptions, of course, but I think it's a pretty good guide.
I think thats arbitrary. No offense, but with art you should do what you want, when you want.
@@Insomnia_tic I wasn't stating a rule; I thought I made that clear. So your "arbitrary" criticism is for something I didn't say. The only restriction to art is who gets to experience it.
This is, honestly, the most helpful video I’ve ever seen (for me) since painting loosely is probably my hardest thing to achieve! I’ll start out loose and gradually start tightening up. It’s frustrating! Thanks for this great information! Gonna go paint now...hopefully loosely! 🥴
I'm so glad you got something out of the video!
I have the same problem! My natural tendency and comfort zone is to try and paint what I see as accurately as possible, that being the challenge. BUT it can be painstaking, at times, and not at all as creative and free as trying to loosely capture the true "essence" of the subject being portrayed. I'm still working on getting "loose."
This made me excited to explore loose painting styles!
Chris you’re really one of the greatest oil painting teacher I’ve seen so far. Great lessons with perfect teaching methods, tips and answers. I want to thank you a lot once again for the time and energy you’re putting into this, really appreciate it :)
Although they're pretty impressive on their own, hyper realistic paintings/drawings end up being the most boring looking pieces ....
I'll be honest here, Chris. I prefer tighter paintings. My own goal as an artist is to eventually achieve a level of realism... where even up close, observers go "wow that looks like a dang photo! "
But that said, I'm still working on some of you're coaching at least in the block in. If I can be accurate with drawing and values in block in, then that informs and supports subsequent layers... it takes some of the brain work out of things later in the painting.
But here's something I do struggle with... when you're photo reference doesn't match the aspect ratio of your canvas. So it means you have to fill in things that may be cropped out of the photo... In that, maintaining values, continuity of texture and light source without redundancies. Any tips there?
Thank you for the videos as always!
What a pointless waste of time, just use a camera if that's what you want
@@kylebalmer3396 can't take a photo of something... or somewhere I am creating myself . What a judgmental and short sided comment.
@@BJBreukelman you're not creating anything at all if you're just copying
@@kylebalmer3396 well, good morning, sir. My composition is usually my own. Admittedly, a few are direct from photo. But I always use photo reference to capture textured, lighting, and environment as best I can. And capturing a photo realistic look still takes all the skill and practice of an impressionistic artist. (Which, btw, I'm not even close yet. I need a lot more practice. )
No matter what, at the end of the day... even copying can teach. The artist can still enjoy the process. An observer can still enjoy the finished work. The artist can still say that the finished painting wasn't made by a machine (camera). They did it with their own hand. Sure, the idea in the painting is copied, but not the work itself. There's art out there that I don't understand either. There's this thing out there now where the whole painting is literally a single solid color. And it sells!!!
But I'm not going to judge the artist, call what they enjoy a waste of their time. You don't like my kind of art. Fine, sir. No judgment whatsoever. But that's all you had to say if you felt you had to say something. Artist get a bad rap already. Within the artist community, can we at least treat each other with a bit more dignity? With current events in our country, do we not have enough negativity already.
@@kylebalmer3396 I've just watched a few of your videos. And honestly, I'm surprised your comment came from you. Your clearly a talented artist. You can verbalize and teach your techniques, and you seem like a pretty cool person... so why the lash out at me??? One of your videos is specifically about capturing realistic skin. This is all I was tasking about in my original comment... realistic even up close vs the looser impressionistic look. Communicating form, texture, light source(es) shadows.
Can we get off on a better foot here ?
What you said about viewing art on screen - Yes 😭 I get so sad thinking about how few people have actually saw my paintings bc they’ve only saw them on screens. It is honestly not the same. Also thank you, this video was super helpful!
I struggle a lot with this and somehow always end up trying to place things as accurately as possible, to the smallest shadow. It's crazy how it's way more difficult to paint loosely than "realistically".
I don’t agree with you. Painting realistically is such a talent and gift; not to say loose painting isn’t. When it’s so realistic that you can’t tell the difference between a painting and photo, imagine the skill involved. There were many master painters who painted in realism style. I wouldn’t say the style is better, I think it is just a preference. Personally I prefer Realism but I also love the loose painting style.
Great format of listening with the painting happening in the background! Love it! Please do it every time!!!
Thanks coach, nice lessen today. (Liked and watched all the ads!) and thanks for showing the pallet.
I appreciate it!
Lol you’re endings are too cute. I have a question: when do you know that your drawing skill is developed enough to move into oil painting? Or should you just start painting with oils and work on your drawing skills simultaneously?
Don't wait! Just start painting. You'll get drawing practice automatically just from painting.
You could do Drawing daily at least 15minutes (post dinner) and paint whenever you have good time. It helped me a lot.
I could draw before I started painting, which is the reason I learned to paint relatively quickly. If I were doing it simultaneously, I think I'd be most afraid of feeling discouraged with myself when things didn't look right and I didn't know how to fix them. Having said that, I've seen brilliant work by people who couldn't draw.
I like your tips and talks. I have not started oil painting yet but you're inspiring me
You can do it! Paint something and tag me on IG
Same here!
Appreciate watching you painting, even in time-lapse, because not only does it highlight what you said about shapes but it also demonstrated the need to add any essential details at the end of the painting process. Too many times I have found that putting any detail in too early really restricts looseness.
This was one of the most helpful videos I have listen to. So many tips and ideas for improvement!
Ck out Michael James Smith his painting s are so detailed and simply amazing
nice call on the timelapse. i usually listen while painting but this is more visually engaging. i also love the loose style! just getting into a rhythm with my landscapes. thanks!!
You really are a good tutor. Thank you . Also when you don’t talk so fast like a high pressure salesman, I am tempted to subscribe to your patreon course.
Thank you so much for this video, it was very helpful. I would also like to thank you for saying that this comes down to personal taste instead of saying "realism isn't art" like so many others. I draw with coloured pencils and I've always been obsessed with realism and hyper realism because I genuinely love it. I've recently tried oil painting and I love them! I'm trying to try out different styles of oil painting 😊
I like the tight painting more. come at me bro
Chris, I’ve always learned something valuable from your channel, this video, however, is among your very best. The time lapse is most helpful in learning to see the large underlying shapes of your subject.
the karate hands cracked me up! thank you so much for this, I actually wrote down your tips to keep them as a reminder
Minute 10:48. hahahahaha
Like you I love loose painting styles - they seem to catch a free rhythm and to somehow express the pulse and movement of an image - and painting has the possibility of expressing experience from a synkinaesthetic perspective - not just visual, but tactile, kinetic, etc - you can feel it in a multidimensional way -
Great advice. Everything was spot on and helpful and doesn't appear that your only motivation is to sell a product...like other channels....which usually means the meaningful stuff is intentionally left out. I've been painting for 30 years and your advice is sincere. I always tell people to NOT learn how to paint on youtube. This is a channel I will recommend. A natural teacher.....Coach.
In a fast paced environment it it's very tempting to fall into the entrapment or working loosely all the way, in my case I'd prefer to combine tight methods on up close subjects but leave the loose parts for background work.
Thank you for such a great explanation of the most valuable things to paint loose. I've found this really helpful!
I've been drawing and painting my whole life but have never felt I was painting the way I wanted to. In my old age I want to learn how to paint looser and quicker and more expressively. I'm so glad I happened upon your YourTube Channel! Your style is resonnating with me and I want to catch up on your tutorials. I don't see how to do your free course but will keep looking.
7:21 oh I totally feel called out 😅
I did a painting recently of a cosplayer dressing up as Yuno Gasai. I mean I guess it's good for someone who's never painted with oil paint before but man it was brutal.
First face look like a surprised blow up doll.. then look like the kid from Madd TV.. and finally I managed to get it from uncanny valley to something that looks nearly human and feminine.
I probably spent 3 days on just her face trying to fix it. In the end; it's exactly what you said. People look at certain things more than others and you mess up the face and the rest of the portrait is ignored 😅
Those things have always been on my mind whenever I imagine a painting, especially in attempts to painting from imagination. I once wished that my paintings would look realistic, and nowadays I realize that for me, it makes not much of a sense, because I want them to be noticed as paintings, not mistaken for photographs. Good talk.
I like the loose style because it shows off the artist's style vs. their technical ability. If I want to see an exact representation of something I can simply look at a photo. Be yourself!
How do you position your monitor in relation to your easel? I ask because I am always cranking my neck back and forth, it seems to be doing damage
Amazing video, thank you!
Question: why didn’t you ground the canvas with something closer to the sky? How do you chose your grounding color? Thanks!
I appreciate your videos so much. You are so to the point, it’s great. Do you have any tips for painting small faces loosely?
I'd like to paint tight, but can't do that...yet. So for now it's loose. But IMO loose equals sloppy some times. Or, I can't do it perfectly, so I'll just paint it loose. It's all a matter of preference, but again, only IMO, tight, when a painting looks like a picture, that is talent.
Now I know why I like your work so much. Your paintings remind me of Fairfield Porter.
Helpful tips. Thank you-I’m going to utilize your block in technique-excellent!
I have found my tightest portraits are the ones I had the most trouble getting a likeness.
Also using a comparator is good for establishing a likeness but can end up kinda jizzless. I love my comparator but there is a time to step away from the comparator
I’m a new subscriber to your channel, which is giving me new confidence as a painter. Thank you. Do you ever sell the paintings you complete online?
Amazing! Glad I found you here. Thank you. So much to learn from you.
It’s so helpful to watch you paint along with hearing your teaching! Love it!
You are crazy! I like all your explanations. It is clear, sometimes funny and very enlightening...
What are the colors you using?
Burnt Umber, Ultramarine, Lemon, Tinanium White?
Not trying to make this question sound like one from a high school exam, but, if you could make a pair of glasses to put on for checking your values, what would be the best color for the lenses, and why?
Thanks Chris , it's not easy finding a balance between loose individual expressive marks and tight smooth highly detailed paintings.
I think both have advantages and disadvantages.
But a great piece of art is great regardless.
John sargent painted loose on paintings and vermeer paintings were extremely tight but personally i think sargent found a right balance between the two for my taste.
I think a painting that gives you all the story in full detail aren't always the most interesting.
I love your videos! Watching you paint while listening to your advice and instruction was awesome! (But we still got to see you talking in there too! Not just a voice from the beyond!) This was wonderful. Thank you!!!
Yeah, I think super rendered and tight paintings are boring. They're mechanical and don't really show the personality of the artist. It's basically a slow machine that painted it otherwise.
This is great! Do you have a UA-cam that addresses painting - especially in the beginning, too gray? Thanks for sharing!
Recent new subscriber here, love your lessons! It really makes me want to go back to oil painting. Also I just want to ask if you have any recommended sites to get good photo references to paint?
I'm working on a very detailed painting of lake Como from a photo I took when I was on vacation there. I will try my best to loosen things up and keep yor advice in mind.
I. Really like what are you doing. Great job. I like your style talk and show how do you really paint. I love it..
Yeah nobody really wants photo realistic paintings hung in their house so much. The whole idea is to know that it’s paint. There are some people that do that type of art and I have a lot of respect and I’d love to learn that style but when I think of having fun painting and other people enjoying looking at something that really isn’t where it’s at.
To mamny COMMERCIALS latter dude...
Chris, really like your new format of videos.
Glad you like them!
You need to put some details,a specially what is closer,if you ignore the details,will be massive abstract
I disagree, Chris. I love the look of loose paintings on computer screens.
What about if you paint loosely, and are trying to paint the basics to learn traditional method/skill?
Too bad it's ruined with background music, otherwise it would be a great video!
One of your tutorials teach me more than eight hours of academy training... Love you for that! Thanks a huge lot!
thanks for this! really enjoyed watching this
It can be helpful to do the painting upside down, it makes you paint what you see instead of what you know.
I want to learn loose painting, it's very difficult for me.
Thanks for all the great tips on painting loose. I've been painting almost a year and this is a big hurdle...I have the tendency to lean close to the canvas instead of getting arm's length away.
It is hard to resist blending. I am looking at your trees to learn how to stop doing it.
Your face is not dumb. It’s quite handsome
"Way more 'impressive' ", I see what you did there.
Big dumb face? You obviously have no clue how handsome you are in addition to your talent!
Why do you paint with vinyl gloves?
Most of the stuff you're teaching applies beyond oil painting. I use acrylic paint. I've learned a lot from you. Thanks.
Love to hear this! I have been experimenting with acrylics lately to help teach and bridge the gap with oils.
So many good tips in such a short time ! Thank you!
Thanks for the tips. Love from iran 💕
That RUBBER glove bothers me a little, did the master ARTIST use rubber gloves (don't think that they did) is modern OIL PAINT more toxic today????? This is why I prefer acrylic paint at the moment
I love watching you paint
One of the details,your house is falling
you seriously should have a million viewers
Big shapes. Values. I just did a study and it looked awful. Then found your video, went back and painted better values over the large shapes and wow, it helped a lot. Still a stinker, but much much better. Thanks.
I love it
Love the painting im getting lots of tips
Exactly...I always asked hyperrealistic painters...what is the difference between photo and art?
Art should be an endless pursuit of perfection. The opposite is called garbage.
Personally, I don't like very loose painting styles as much. However, I think it'll be worth experimenting since I think some looseness could be beneficial to my style.
Do you still paint in watercolor at all?
Really helpful… thanks.
Thank you this helped a lot!
Awesome talk. I'm still learning the value and drawing basics but I really get what you're saying about an economy of strokes. I tend to try to "fix" my painting with more details. Keep the talks coming!
Thanks! Will do!
I have that problem when I use pencils makes my drawings look flat with painting I get around it by using a thicker brush then I can really use for detail lol
Brilliant tips well done!
this is exactly my problem... . putting in too much detail right off and not filling in the whole painting first. good video. and I have cut down the size of my canvas from 16x20 to 11x14.
You explain very well. Glad I came across you. Subscribed and hope to watch you as much as possible. Thank you.
I've always struggled with painting loosely since I have this bad habit of overworking the artwork, but I've been trying to fix that problem. Somehow, I noticed this bad habit is also proportional to my own personality when I become too uptight and easily get stressed out. My real-life work is in a different field from painting, and I don't treat painting as a hobby but as a personal journey.
So yes, I actually prefer loose paintings because I noticed the moments I paint loose I also get to express myself more. On the other hand, when I revert to "tight" painting I end up being hard on myself. It's kind of like a paradox: keep going at being perfect and you end up messing up more; let go and you achieve perfection.
Yeah, I love to see the brush strokes
Would you rather have Monet’s body of work (2500 pieces) or Vermeer’s of 30 odd paintings? For me it is Vermeer. The subject matter and complexity of the images is so much more satisfying in the Vermeer than in a Monet. Vermeer paints in a more detailed way than Monet but that is just a means to an end to achieve a particular look (an uncannily realistic look but not like a photograph - I’ve never seen a photograph that looks as good as one of his paintings)
Thanks for this video! I’ve been longing for bigger faster brush strokes. After watching this I tried some paintings without my contacts in … and I am BLIND! 🤣 I was amazed what it did for the color and the brush strokes. Looking forward to watching more of your videos!
I like the new format.
You are way too cute to be an artist.
There's so much skill in hyper-realism. And it is impressive, but to be honest, as an artist myself, I could do it if I could be bothered and if I didn't feel like I was wasting time. Great photography is an art too. I'd rather take great photos than work on hyper or even non-hyper tight realism.
What do you mean “loose”?
It’s helpful for me to “ruin” my canvas prior to starting.
Meaning that I scribble on it first. It takes away the pressure.
I've been painting with acrylics since 1969. Finally I'm getting my paintings to look the way I want. I've wanted to paint loose but not messy. Now I've started to block in the colors loosely and not flat like I've always done. That has helped me get more texture and looser look. Plus letting some undercoat color show through a little around the edges. Then I start adding details, but not too tight. I'm working on 8X10 boards right now. Doing still life paintings with birds added. Very happy with how they're turning out. I'm working from photos, but not adding every little detail.
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