Michael Jordan's ChildHood Hero...was Also his Biggest HATER??
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One thing I really appreciate in MJ is that he didn't ignore or let down Kobe when they interacted with each other.
Because he knew he was never a threat, no matter how hard the media pushed.
@@keithjoseph128 or he saw a lot of him in Kobe and became his big brother. Jordan is the greatest, but don’t be insecure about it tho.
@@SwaggyG_aka_SplashDoe that's a weird judgment on me but then again, weird times. My comment was based off facts, nice try with the maybe. Good luck with your dopamine search.
@@keithjoseph128 no one is judging you, the comment was insecure. Jordan and Kobe described their relationship themselves as a big brother type relationship and the only person that could maybe beat Jordan, and said by Jordan. Was Kobe. Maybe jokingly said but stop the animosity between comparisons. It’s okay to be wrong. You’re probably one of those weirdos who stay online all day afraid to comment in real life. Lol now that’s a judgment call
@@SwaggyG_aka_SplashDoe you're obviously oblivious to what that means. I never said you're wrong, but everything I said can easily be backed up just by heating Jordan talk. Now everything is pointing to you being insecure. Nice try though
When asked about it Jordan actually said that it wasn’t fair to compare players from different eras. He’s never called himself the GOAT. Gotta respect that.
@@arcticjoe5532 dude was saying that because it was a casual conversation with friends, he is supposed to feel that way since he achieved something no one ever had, ergo coming back 3-1 in the finals.. i mean, if you have achieved something no one has done and it doesnt even have to be at basketball, could be anything where youre good at, wouldnt you say the same about yourself? wouldnt you feel great about yourself too? the only difference is it was done infront of the camera, and i guess thats why it rubbed people the wrong way.
@@arcticjoe5532 then i guess you havent really done anything in your life worth celebrating yourself about thats why the concept sounds so distant or alien.. about that espn interview his friend was there beside him named maverick or somethin, so it was casual for him to talk about it, the concept of the interview was a casual talk, it wasnt like it was a presidential debate where he should be in a suit and think hard before answering back.
@@alveer2412 Tom Brady is the only player in NFL history with 7 Super Bowl rings,would you like for him to be throwing it up in everybody's face that he's the only 7 Super Bowl winner?
@@williegordon9188 how do you know that he doesnt? are you his friend? are you with his inner circle? you two hang'out often?.. clearly you dont understand the premise of what i said.. read it again.
@@alveer2412 Ya'll love to believe the worst when it comes to Brady. I don't think he does that because Brady has too much class to brag about his accomplishments. That's something that guys on the Warriors do.
It just seems like Julius is stuck in his era. No problem with that. Jordan replaced a lot of greatest players on the top 20 list before he even won a championship. His first 3 rings solidified his absolute best standing. His second 3 rings made him bullet proof. His scoring titles, defensive player awards, the eye test, his mindset, all destroy any conversation to debate.
This logic serves your argument fine, until you come to Wilt Chamberlin or Bill Russell. Bill Russell has 11 RIngs to Jordan's 6. and Chamberlins scoring records, and rebounds and assists demonstrate that Michael Jordan was fortunate that neither Russell or Chamberlin was not there to meet Jordan as he went soaring through the lane to block his progress to the basket.
Jordan was never able to prove to be better than Magic Johnson, who with Larry Bird kept things available till Jordans arrival.
@@HigherPowerWorldWide Jordan has championships and individual accolades. Russell and Chamberlain don’t match him in total accomplishments. Your statement proved Jordan is the best.
@@HigherPowerWorldWide Wilt & Russell had one or the other. Jordan had both
@@HigherPowerWorldWide what are you talking about. Jordan hadn't no match . Wilt and bill never played better than Jordan . Both together can't beat a Michael Jordan 😡
He made that list when he was little more than a kid....He just doesn't wanna change it....He said , " I made my list"...It's done.
SOOO, MJ wasn't even in the league then.
He admired Dr. J, but David Thompson was his idol. His two other favorites were Marques Johnson and Walter Davis. Jordan’s actual game is more modeled after those three.
you are 100% correct!! Thompson was incredible!!!
Actually Jordan’s idol was jerry west .
@@briantime9880 no lol
Yu know more about Jordan idol..than Jordan does..how does that work
You're wrong he wanted to be like his big brother
I rock my Jordan’s with pride. He’s the goat and always will set the standard for the goat
WILT CHAMBERLAIN the goat
FACTS ✔️
That Harlem stock footage of all the neighborhood watching Dr.J play street hoops is for the time capsule. I mean, that is pure poetry of historic prepositions. Thank you for unearthing that, and including it in this overall quality product and peerless fantastic content. You are operating at an incredibly high level in this medium and turned your content into straight up art.
I'm glad someone else noticed this too. I watched every video I could find with past NBA legends and I have yet to see a video of Dr J acknowledging Jordan the way the majority of the greats do. Especially as someone Jordan admired. All of the past players that don't put MJ in their top 5 five either hold a grudge against him in some way, or they resent him for surpassing them in success and accolades
Perfect comment.. IN CONCLUSION
That’s what I’m saying. But this extends over to the fans as well. It’s as if they’re salty that Michael Jordan got almost all of the shine during the 90s.
When older fans are trying to uplift LeBron and degrade Jordan, I can’t help but think that they have something against him.
Even with people that I know who were young in the 90s, they’re hype when watching LeBron highlights but they are super defensive when we watch MJ’s highlights.
Baloney. Just because they don't put MJ in their top 5 doesn't make him a hater that a lot of MJ fans think. Doc has played and or seen way more players to make his judgement. The only difference MJ name makes money with media, marketing and advertising and thats why the name keeps going
I mean, he doesn't have to do what others do/have done and said towards MJ. The recognition and admiration that one genuinely gets..... comes with more than words (if and when you are aware of such things) #trust. Plus, when someone chooses to show you specifics that aren't positive in nature.....take it for what it's worth! (Often times alot)
@Kimeikus that's one reason I can't take folk serious when they're talking about who they would rather vs who they actually really like. As most will try to convince you to like someone, just because they like them. Like hello......how old are you. Cause to actually like someone means that there are specifics about them that draw you in. Most folk want others to wrecklessly blow in the wind with their interest and passions that they find throughout their journey. Being that MJ brought a level of excellence to the game (while I was coming up) there is no one past or present that will take his place. As they would have to supercede everything that he brought to that game.
I totally agree with you. The players that MJ kept or stopped from getting more success totally hate on him now still. And Dr J is a bit envious of MJ for sure. I mean he did also say GOATS don't jump ship and make superteams to win championships either. But through the years I've also seen those jabs he makes at MJ and his success.
Are you nuts?
Dr J, Bird, Magic and Isiah all got rings before Jordan.
He didn't stop any of them.
Basically he got their crumbs.
He could never get around Bird. How he the GOAT?
@@KC-4u2c KC Jordan is a basketball politician
He's got fools believing that BS and they're too stupid to do research.
This joker struggling in the first round for the entire 80s.
By his own logic LeBron could never be the GOAT due to team hopping. Now it seems he's about to do it yet again. As far as being a great person, LeBron is probably the best person of all sports because he gives back and goes above and beyond to help others and is very very humble about it, but that's an entirely different thing from sports. Character and athletic accolades are two totally different things
@@KC-4u2c if MJ had a team around him then he would’ve stomped Bird
MJ the greatest player ever play the game !
Period. 😊
Kareem is not the GOAT... No way. No how. He was far too lazy on defense. Just like Lebron.
Lol mj would crossover and break kareems ankles
When u d best haters will rise, facts.
Wilt is the GOAT..forget the rings..freak of nature more records than any one
Your opinion isn't fact.
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Dr J is clearly a “Jordan hater”. I believe he sees in MJ who he (Dr J) could have been and it’s therefore difficult to embrace MJ.
MJ is definitely and upgraded version of Dr J and I believe deep down in Dr J’s heart he knows that MJ is the “GOAT”.
Yur statement and the rest of these yahoos is why the Dr.. Hates.. Some kids come thru steals ya moves and everybody acts like drj ain't the og..Dr a 3x champion he's no more salty then Larry bird
Bro everybody don't have to ride MJ dick ok for now MJ the best but when lebron James get Kareem scoring record then James going to be the best but if wilt played more then he would be the best as known MJ the best and I'm not a MJ can I'm a sixer fan Allen my favorite player of alltime if a person don't have MJ as there best o while!!
I think Dr.J thinks he could have been where Michael was, had he been in his prime during 1990-2000, because of TV and advertising.
@robert spence bruh stop it Jordan never played Doctor J in his prime
Jordan was a scrub 😂
He even stole Dr J free throw line dunk 🤡
Imagine hating Jordan so bad he didn't even want him to come back after his 1st retirement. Damn...
Mj’s layup at 4:20 was crazy tho
Yo wtf was that lol. Biggest crime in sports is that Jordan’s games weren’t in HD.
@@MasteIsIllmatic 💯
MJ has the most fascinating and greatest career out of every player ever 🐐
Yea like the fact he’s 0-6 all time in the playoffs against Larry Bird….
Yall fr acting like alex Caruso wont WASH prime anybody
What about Wilt averaging 50 for a season or leading the NBA in assist for a season. They put in rules to curve Wilts dominance , mad the lane wider, the ball has to hit the rim b4 a player can leave the FT line, offensive basket interference. How ''bout DR.J carrying two leagues and hearing Jordan pattern his business side after the doctor. How 'bout Jerry West ballin' so hard he won the finals MVP on the loosing team. ANd notice I haven't even gotten to Lebron yet.
@@MandellaJ 😭 losing a finals 6 time sis more impressive than 6-0 😭😭😭😭
@@alejandroalvarez262 How many years did he play, and he ONLY went to 6...🤣
I guarantee when Jordan first was in the league Dr. Jay had to hear about how great MJ was and it made him feel some sort a way And he hasn’t gotten over it
Stop projecting. Dr. J was really a progenitor of high flying charismatic hoopers. He took street ball flair to the league was the reason ABA and NBA merged. His impact is still being felt. Not jealous of MJ. Kareem Is the Goat for most OG hoopers. Old media types keep pushing a narrative. I'm sure Dr. J feels he would more than hold his own against Jordan in his prime. In any era.
@@anegril1 1. Kareem is not the best to most OG hoopers. Most former players say MJ. Even those that came before him.
2. All due respect to the Dr, but he was not Jordan. Neither on the court or impact off the court.
Julius may feel a certain way, but he wasn't on Jordan's level. Never at any point. And yes, even the legends are capable of jealousy and pettiness. It's that competitive drive they all have.
When Julius speaks about Jordan, he comes off the same way Isiah did. Bitter.
I heard many stories about Dr. J and MJ. It's hard to confirm if they're authentic. I remembered Magic Johnson often stated that Julius Erving took him under his wing before he went pro. And I do remember MJ often compared to Dr. J before he became pro. A friend of mine who is one of the biggest Jordan fans out there told me that MJ wanted to sign with Converse first before he eventually signed with Nike.
I remembered MJ's first All-Star game back in 1985. I'm not saying the freeze-out happened or didn't happen, but there seemed to be some type of authenticity to that story. Overall, if it was true, it was petty. And the superstars at that time should have been ashamed of themselves. It was an All-Star game. And I'll be honest, MJ's amazing Air Jordan's showcased at the All-Star game at that time was one of the reasons why I bought a pair of Air Jordans. I loved wearing Dr. J's Converse sneakers at that time. But MJ's Air Jordan's were sneakers we had never seen before. Those sneakers stood out. I remembered the looks people gave my pair of Air Jordan's. Those dogs lit up everyone's eyes. My math teacher in her late forty's couldn't stop talking about my kicks each day I wore them. And those Air Jordan's were extremely comfortable - loved those dogs!
Those air Jordan's were probably another reason Dr J had hate for Jordan...his sneakers sold better.
Great read. You're a great writer . And appreciate how you acknowledged the passing of the torch,- from Converse to Air Jordans - Nikes . Nicely done. You get 5⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@@adlaiwordsworth4192 I definitely appreciate your compliments. From one basketball fan to another, I'm honored. To this day, I still love everything about the first Air Jordan's. I still revere that insane emblem from MJ's original Air Jordans. I first wore Dr. J's Converse while playing in my local organized youth basketball league. But after the original Air Jordan's were released, Air Jordan's were the kicks that replaced Dr. J's famous Converse kicks. Air Jordan's became the new fashion sneakers. I'm glad Nike is selling those dogs again. The original Air Jordan's still going strong more than 35 years later.
So everyone has to make Michael Jordan the best player on their list. Get fuck out here with that bs. You play to win and stats. Bill has 11 rings Kareem 6 ring 6 mvp but some how Jordan better. He beat Utah with one hall of fame player a old laker team without Kareem and Portland.
I think Dr. J would've had a more successful career in terms of winning had he just played for the NBA team that drafted him. A big 3 of Dr.J, Oscar, and Kareem is pure insanity.
He was part of one of the best Big 3's ever, but they were at very different stages of their career. Moses Malone, the best offensive rebounder ever and one of the best centers ever at the very end of his career, and Charles Barkley at the very beginning of his career. But he was still the best player on the "4-4-4" Championship 76ers. You don't have to imagine that.
But he started his pro career in a league that stopped existing in 1976, even though the Nets were one of the 4 ABA teams that were absorbed into the NBA, so it was something that was out of his control.
@@chrisbutler1668 Not entirely. Despite the Bucks owning his rights by selecting him in the 1972 draft, he signed a contract and attempted to play with the Atlanta Hawks (while also signed to a contract in the ABA). He sued the Squires because he believed he was misrepresented and his ABA contract was voidable. At this time a Georgia judge ruled his ABA contract was officially terminated. He could have just went to Milwaukee, as the NBA sided with them after arbitration, but by creating this three way war, the matter ended up before a Federal judge, so Erving decided to just iron out his differences with the Squires. If he doesn't get involved with Atlanta, he's playing for a Bucks team who would already make the Finals one year later without him.
DR. J DIDNT ALREADY IS ONE OF MOST SUCCESS EVER. WHEN U COMBINE ABA + NBA STATS AND TROPHIES HE IS TOP SCORER IN HISTORY AND HE WON FINALS MVPS RINGS MULTIPLE TIMES. IT JUST HAPPEN HE PLAYED IN SOLID SIXERS TILL THEY GOT MOSES THEY DIDNT HAD CENTER AT ALL. DAWKINS WAS JUST A GREAT DUNKER BUT FUNDAMENTAL , REBOUNDS RIM PROTECTION WAS ADDED BY MOSES. EVERY GREAT TEAM IN THAT ERA HAD SUPERSTAR CENTER. BELLAMY, JABBAR, WES UNSELD, WALTON, EVEN SIKMA WAS MORE SKILLED THAN DAWKINS. BUT WHEN MOSES SHOWS UP, JULIUS WAS OLD. IF JULIUS HAD MOSES FROM 1977 HE WOULD HAVE MORE RINGS THAN JORDAN.
Nice opinion
He didn't have a jump shot.
Mr.Erving is one of most dignified men in the NBA alumni and this country...but that hate was very open and ugly! What up Doc?!
Yep
@@jasonallen3678 NOPE. JORDAN IDOL WAS THOMPSON. JORDAN WAS JELLY ON ERVING
All this does is tell us that he's human.
It showed his time was coming up
@@PIP...33 are you 9?
I believe what Dr. J was saying was that every generation's greatest player should raise the bar for greatness the way Jordan did him. But, what he doesn't realize is that no one has reached the level of greatness that Jordan has since then. Until someone has that kind of individual achievements, and a 6-0 dominance in the finals it'll be hard to call somebody better.
That's your opinion , alot of people clearly think Lebron is that guy
@@juliusrandle2733 yeah, 95% are millennials. Jordan's success at competing makes him better. 6-0 in the finals. When he had to win, he did. Lebron folded under pressure in the finals. When his team needed him most. That should matter. He couldn't will them to win. 2 three peats almost back to back. If he hadn't retired, it'd been 5 titles in a row. He quit because he wasn't even feeling challenged anymore. That's what people don't understand. Jordan was so much more greater than the greats of his generation that the Bulls dominated 6 out of 7 straight seasons. People can't fathom that, and that's why they are in denial.
@@juliusrandle2733 Vast majority of past players say MJ. Current players were polled and most said MJ, which is telling. The only people who say LeBron are *some* people under the age of 30, and shows that like to talk about LeBron every day.
Jordan has 2 more rings, 1 more MVP, 1 more DPOY and 9 more scoring titles in 5 fewer seasons. There is zero debate here. Zero.
Ok, that's fair.
@@juliusrandle2733 a lot of people? Really? There are a lot of bronsexuals like yourself sure.
I was PR intern with the Sixers in 1987. I had to take MJ to Doc for photo shoot. They were totally respectful of each other and Michael showed great respect. Doc and MJ are the greatest ever.
How did they act around each other. I am sure Jordan acted like a fan around Dr. J. I have said it many times. Yes Mike is the best but, if there was no Julius then there would be no Mike in my honest opinion. Jordan is not original. Dr. J started all of that. Mike took it to another level.
@@Writer341 Indeed, Michael deferred to Doc and he in turn responded with great respect. The game was off the hook with Doc blocking MiJ s final second finger role for the win. Michael had 54.
@@shawnschwaner8583 people forget Dr. J and how great he was. He was not my era but I went back and saw clips of how special he was. He was Michael before Michael. He probably is the reason why there is an NBA.
@@Writer341 Doc was my era and he was both the ABA and NBA. He was such a force the league's merged just so fans could see him play. Every city had special Dr. J ads when he came to town. Every venue was sold out. Many don't know it, but his knees were so bad they thought he'd retire by '78 but played until '87. In my generation, everyone wanted to be the Doctor on and off the court. And, knowing him personally, he was truly a kind-hearted gentleman.
@@shawnschwaner8583 wow. Thank you for sharing. I had no idea that his knees were that bad. I think the logo should be Dr. J. Alot of people overlook Doc
I remember watching that Dr. J interview on First Take and even at the time I was baffled that he tried to avoid the MJ conversation. I don’t blame Stephen A. Smith for looking at him like that either 🤣
Robert Horry and Air Jordan in the same sentence = Hater J. Why can't he bring up Bi11 Russe11 and Robert Horry in the same sentence. Robert wasn't the leader or the captain. He was just there hitting big shots on great play-off teams
@@jknumber5138 yesss. You don't have a fan to give props to greatness. I wasn't the biggest JORDAN fan. I will give him goat status though!
@@ceet834 Same here. I grew up a Knicks fan and hated Jordan. Couldn't stand him while he was in the league. Rooted against him in every single same that I've ever watched. He's clearly the goat though.
People are entitled to their opinion. Dr. J saw the greatness of Elgin Baylor, Connie Hawkins, Oscar Robertson and Jerry West. Because there wasn't any tv coverage until Dr J literally put the NBA on the map, youngsters like Stephen A can only equate greatness to the guy he got to see on tv all the time. Dr J is basically pointed out that greatness existed before Michael Jordan.
@@jknumber5138 Dr J was literally saying that Horry doesn't compare to Jordan even though Horry has more rings. You sound more like the hater.
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Get off his top
@@dgprod3759 lol facts
@@dgprod3759 cry
@@TheMaka71 Your last name is soupasta
Watching this makes me feel like Jordan needs another come back 😂
Lol too old. He LL be ready for a casket by the end of the first quarter lol skills never go away but the conditioning and endurance and speed ect is lonnnng gone. Lol he smokes cigars everyday and drinks and is enjoying retirement. Lol
A Steph curry or a kyrie or KD would run laps around him right now haha.
No. What we need is a legends game for the all star weekend. Or 1 on 1. Mj vs Dr j. Or MJ vs Iverson ect. First to 21.
@@Cb88x no man skills definitely fade, especially when not practiced at a high level.
@@Cb88x Yea bro that's actually a great idea you threw out there. The NBA should come up with a new event during all star weekend, a 1 on 1 tournament where the fans vote for the 10 top players that they want to see in the tournament and the NBA should make it mandatory that the players have to compete in it if they are voted for it, just like with the all star game. Then they should also make it where the winner wins a trophy along with like a 1-2 million dollar prize to incentivize the players to play hard in it and to take it seriously. Or the NBA could tell teams to include it in all the contracts or players who are superstars where it says in the contract that they'll be paid a 1-3 million dollar bonus if they win the 1 on 1 tournament. It would be great for the NBA and would instantly be the NBA's most watched event during All Star weekend. It would make All Star weekend a huge event for the NBA. Idk why they don't do it. I think they should also bring back the HORSE event. I always liked it personally. I think they should also create a 2 on 2 event. Imagine if you got to see Kyrie vs Steph Curry 1 on 1 during All Star weekend. KD vs LeBron. Giannis vs Zion. Embiid vs Jokic. Harden vs Butler. I think a legends game would be good too. A half court BIG 3 style legends game where it's maybe 3 on 3, but tournament style with several teams where the legends get to create their own team and with all the proceeds generated from the tournament going to a charity of the winning teams choice. I thought they actually did like a legends all star game one time? It should be with like recently retired legends though that are still in shape, guys that are 33-45 not guys that are like 50-70 and are fat and over the hill. Recently retired guys like a Kobe, Pierce, Dirk, Garnett, Wade, Ray Allen, Duncan, Ginobili, Tony Parker, Nash, Shaq, Grant Hill, Baron Davis, Vince Carter, Hakeem's still in great shape and works out with today's players a lot, he looks like he could still play. Something like that would be cool. But I don't think anyone really wants to see a 65 year old Dr. J still trying to play or a 330 pound Barkley 🤣.
nba on nbc will return too
Once you make your mark on the world no need to do anything.
I’m a 70 yr old born and bred New Yorker. Admire all the great basketball players! Dr. J took the game to another level. I was a big fan and still am, but my top five Wilt,Bird, Duncan, Magic and Michael!
I picked Wilt over Russell and Kareem because of his sheer athleticism and strength, unstoppable. The other four are simply the best at their positions! I just want to add after looking at video how good Jerry West was you just can’t leave him out.
To be totally fair the NBA is 72 years old! Who are the best players from 49-85 and 86 till now!
Dr J spoke. And that's that!
Jordan,in the watered down NBA after Bird and Magic
Quiet as it's kept. Dr J is hating on mJ and if wasn't for Moses Malone he would not of won that championship ..that he won
Replace Jordan with Kobe. Magic is interchangeable with Jerry West or Oscar Robertson. Bird is interchangeable with LeBron or Elgin Baylor.
No one argues with the big fundamental
The NBA is 75, not 2.
To be honest with you, You can understand why Dr. J didn’t really like Jordan like that. Michael was considered the next Dr. J and he surpassed that and became even more high regarded than dr j.
Yeah but it seems so childish for a 70 year old man to not face reality. Jordan was leagues better than him, he should be honored that he inspired the greatest of all time. He’s always remembered as a top 20 player ever. Why act so bitter?
@@nabetse1999, That is why I cannot justify his hate. At his age you should know when to have some humility.
@@nabetse1999 FR... Like, someone positive like magic would be proud ASF...IF he inspired the🐐
That's how wilt felt about Kareem
@@nabetse1999 Low key, there is videos of some of the all-time great’s hating on Jordan. Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, Dr J, Oscar all took shot’s at MJ…..The world anointed him GOAT and since their names rarely get mentioned they’re going to HATE!
They always hate on Jordan for personal reasons, like Isiah Thomas and Gary Payton
Gary Payton once said to Michael Jordan that he was 🗑 trash, Michael took that personally against his character and skills on the court too. I believe that Gary Payton put up 45 points on them for that little remark calling them trash that's what Gary call Michael you know Michael Michael takes it all person
I meant to say to Michael Jordan put up 45 points Gary Payton called him trash
@@samuelwilliams6313 and then MJ in The Last Dance laughed and said he had no problem with GP ever.
@@onlyone23km gary also wanted and received an NBA arcade cabinet that had jordan secretly in the game.
they are fine with each other.
Absolutely, anybody can see the pattern of hate, they try to cover up with smiles and calmness. Just have to look at Isiah's face. Dr. J not even mentioning him and having the "Isiah" face on speaks volumes. Glad i saw this Video, really shows how many haters Jordan has. All i can say is MJ all day
At least Isaiah Thomas acknowledged that MJ is the GOAT. I’m a little older and remember back in the 80s when DOC J gave off that hater vibe towards MJ. This is news to this generation but well known to the older generation. MJ is the GOAT! PERIOD.
He just isn’t lol
Dr. J did it with his prime in the ABA and most of his career in canvas sneakers. It’s not hate. When older players can’t play anymore, they compete with their legacies
Changing of the guard was when when MJ beat the Lakers and got his first ring. That was the narrative. The end of Magics era and the start of the Jordan era.
yep, even MJ had haters in the building...but, to that, I never hear Julius name mentioned in the greatest of all time conversations, so that says alot...different class and 2 levels above.
Dr. J is in my top 10
@@jeraldsikes6186 For real, he is top 10. He could be top 7...
@Marcus Wilson
Julius Erving could never play like Jordan.
Why are you lying?
Michael Jordan was light years better, greater and superior than Julius Erving.
Jordan as a rookie was better, greater and superior than Julius Erving.
By the time Doc retired in 1987 he was already considered a top 10 all time player at that time. At one point, he was in the GOAT discussion at some point in the 1980s. Today, he's likely in the top 20 but people need to understand that Kobe's game emulates MJ which emulates Dr J. In fact, a lot of the players in today's game have elements of Dr. J's game. So even though Doc may have been surpassed, those players all stand on Doc's shoulders. Let's put some respect to Dr. J here!
@@j.p.2976
Michael Jordan didn't emulate Julius Erving.
Michael Jordan was light years better, greater and superior than Julius Erving.
Julius Erving isn't a doctor and he never went to medical school. Stop calling him Dr.
they called him the next doctor j and mj became greater then him and he never got over it
Exactly and it's sad...some athletes need to realize it's gonna happen, it's a hard pill to swallow but they must come to terms with it and not be bitter. Hell even mj is having to do that now with LeBron because of this whole goat debate but I have full confidence that mj will handle it better...actually he's already shown that he is.
@@barney5583lebron ain’t better than Kobe
Wow! I got to see both players play and love them both but i never saw anyone impose their will on a game like Jordan. He was an assassin a straight killer on the court. Also sometimes it's just hard for others to admit just how great someone is especially when the person accomplishes so much.
Dr j is one of the goats he was a superstar in both aba and nba. The only reason ppl don’t give dr j his credit because the nba media has done a terrible job when it comes promoting the league outside of the 80s and beyond, especially when it comes to the nba taking the 3 pointer and dunk contest from the aba.
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@@TheMaka71 look at your name before you @ me
Would have loved to see doc and MJ play against each other in their prime.
Doc had more RAW talent but Jordan was a harder worker...
@@alanduff1054 we who seen Dr J when he turned pro knew that Jordan couldn't show us nothing new
@@gew2027 SHIIIIIID... Jordan showed us what raw talent like Dr. J WITH fundamentals and hard work on both sides of the court look like... Doc was never a shooter and never was a defender ...
@@alanduff1054 when I was did fade aways .got it from wilt. Wilt even did the finger roll. We weren't in awe of Jordan cause he had nothing new to show us
@@gew2027 ok
Dr. J's top 5 is great. But MJ is the GOAT by a huge margin. 73% of NBA picked MJ as the Greatest to ever play the game of basketball
That's exactly why Julius has all reason to feel how he feel
The record book picked wilt .the records don't lie people do
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There are a few players who hated Jordan that have him as the GOAT. But they hated Jordan as players, that may have changed in retirement. Reggie Miller is one. John Starks is another.
I don’t think Reggie Miller and Starks really hated Jordan, especially Reggie. It was just the nature of the competition. Reggie even said he wanted to be like Jordan.
...Not to mention those guys have class.
Julius Erving was everything that Michael Jordan wanted to be. Julius Erving and the Merger of the ABA with the NBA saved professional basketball. Julius Erving was the orignal and Michael Jordan was the copy. In their primes, I would always choose Dr. J. Jordan is better than Lebron, but I will always choose a young Julius Erving over Michael Jordan.
I respect your opinion but it’s laughable
Jordan gave David Thompson props for the player he modeled his game after instead of Dr J. And I think Dr J always resented him for not telling the truth.
You're implying Jordan lied and it really was Dr J who he modeled his game after?
@@robhernandez5520 That is exactly what is wrong with some viewers. Dr J was more a street basketball player and was a liability in defence. MJ is different.
Michael Jordan was born to be a basketball god. He did it all on the hardwood in college and in the pros. MJ is definitely the greatest basketball player who has ever played the game.
Only thing MJ never did was play street ball at the Rucker. However, he and Domonique Wilkins did play street ball in St. Louis Missouri in 84.
There are no other Gods besides Lord Jesus Christ as we all will find out on judgement day.
@@thespaceram2879 hence why the word was spelled in "lower case"
@@thespaceram2879 so you work 12 hours a day you get off stop by the supermarket to get some food to cook go home prepare the food for you and your girlfriend and before you both digg in she says let's pray and she says I just wanna thank you Jesus for this meal you prepared for us tonight
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Unpopular opinion I think Mike is the greatest basketball player of all time
That's a popular opinion.
@@purplemonkeydishwasher4241 clearly
Nah, he's dislodged. Its LeBron now
I think you need to pick up a dictionary and learn what the word “unpopular” means
That's most definitely a popular opinion.. Not unpopular
It's amazing how a class act like doc would react in such a manner. It was also the way he carried himself off the court as well.
People are weird as hell !! Dr. J created above the rim , He knows Jordan is great ! Just like Jordan said you cannot compare different decades and eras . How in the hell !!! is Dr. J bitter against any big time player , when he was the one who saved the Aba and put the NBA on the map!!!! Fools out there with no knowledge of great icons like Julius Erving
Strange Dr. J behaved that way considering how gracious Jordan was to Kobe.
Lol these are famous ball players who get loved and acknowledged as the best for their whole lives. Nobody ever said Kobe was better than Jordan I think you know why Dr. J doesn’t want to acknowledge MJ 😂
@@kevinlambert5854 Magic took part in the freeze out of rookie Jordan but doesn't hesistate to say MJ is the GOAT today.
ALSO , HOW GRACIOUS MJ IS TO DR. J .>🎤
I'm not sure if gracious is a word anyone would use to describe Jordan. Kobe commanded respect and was relentless. He didn't fear Jordan.
@@dreamchaser5758 people dont realise but jordan became a totally differnet person around kobe. graceful and respectful. he became a kid again and it was awesome to see.
Athletes & egos go hand-in-hand. That same ego that powers their greatness also makes them blind to objectivity.
Replace Athletes with men. All men have a issue with Ego problems. But your correct my guy
Not always. There's a huge difference between Jordan's ego and Kobe's.
Doc was a victim of the NBA's unwillingness to merge the ABA's history and stats with the acquisition. A merger is the NFL/ AFL situation. The NBA bought 4 teams from a failing league with Erving being the prize.
He technically has 3 rings and the ones from the ABA should be worth more because that league was on a higher level at that point.
Also Dr J was asked to tone his game after the merger, he didn't get to play the same and especially didn't get to show off his dominance in the NBA like Jordan did.
Every basketball legend will tell you that Dr J was on an entirely different level in the ABA but was told to tone it down for the NBA which to me was BS but Doc did what he had to do.
It took Jordan 7 failed seasons to begin to start making any kind of adjustments for the sake of the team over his personal stats.
@@021881mt If by "7 failed seasons" you really mean 6, with one of those where he played only 18 games before the playoffs...then sure. Oh, and those "failed seasons" were losing to:
1985 - #2 Seed Bucks as a rookie with NO TEAMMATE that had been an NBA All-Star and the team was nicknamed the Traveling Cocaine Circus
1986 - NBA Champion Celtics (with 5 HOFers)
1987 - Eastern Conference Champion Celtics (with 5 HOFers)
1988 - Eastern Conference Champion Pistons (with 4 HOFers)
1989 - NBA Champion Pistons (with 4 HOFers)
1990 - NBA Champion Pistons (with 3 HOFers)
Failed seasons...losing only to NBA Finalists with 3-5 HOFers on them and he'd only have 1, who didn't really come into his own until the second title. Yeah, but MJ failed. FOH
@@Oz1976 Those Pistons teams also had guys by the names of Bill Laimbeer,James Edwards,John Salley who will never get into the Hall of Fame but they had Hall of Fame ability and were very,very good players.
@@williegordon9188 Isiah, Dumars and Rodman are hof though. Magic had Kareem, Worthy and an older Mcadoo. Bird had McHale and Johnson. Even if you count Dr J stats you can't count the rings the same because 1 team would WIN the title. Would Dr teams choke like they did vs Walton Blazers? Who knows. Even if you combine his aba and nba stats his averages would be about 25 ppg which is great but not MJ 30ppg range.
@@killablackmambakbm7593 Without Laimbeer, Edwards and Salley the Pistons don't win those two championships.
I was very young, but I remember on TV in the 80's someone saying Jordan was the next Dr. J. Jordan was coming in the league around the same time Dr. J was retiring. It was my earliest exposure to sports, so that's how basketball became my 1st love sport, how I became a Bulls fan, and how I became a Jordan fan. And all 3 are still true to this day. The shirt in my profile pic is a Chicago Bulls shirt actually.
I missed your videos brother. I had a rough week. I appreciate you posting this! Love you man
some people just have hate and jealousy in their hearts and minds.
Those people are destroying themselves mentally.
I can say Dr. J is the most original dynamic player in the history of the game. No one is more smooth on court than the Dr.
MJ is smoother, FOH!
I remember pleading and debating with my father that MJ was the all-time NBA King!! It took a while but he finally acknowledged he had surpassed the Dr. Now these youngins want to convince me LBJ is better, but I won't give in on that at all. LBJ is a true great, but not more special or as much of a winner as Jordan!!! PERIOD
My Dad thought Dr J was the best, too, until Jordan proved it. The thing is, LeBron hasn't overtaken Jordan. He has 2 fewer rings, 1 less MVP and DPOY, and 9 fewer scoring titles.
I LOVE Dr. J.. The reason I played the game but Jordan surpassed him his rookie year...
Right and only people who are too young or too dumb believe lebron has overtaken jordan.
@@John6-40 2 fewer and 6 more losses. nobody counts the losses, except buffalo bill fans from the 90's.
Jordan created winners…LBJ join other winners… that’s why Jordan will alway be over LBJ…
Regarding his top 5 list it wasn’t any hate at all he’s just including players that he’s faced while he was in the league during that time and nothing is wrong with that
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The goat 🐐 Cosgrove is back😁🔥🍿
I said this before and I’ll say it again. The only reason why anyone would say Jordan is not the GOAT is because they are either tired of talking about him or they are jealous. Dr. J should be ashamed of himself and so should anyone else who has the same or similar thoughts. In fact, I don’t know what the hell the league is waiting on to change the logo to the jump man. The shit blows my mind. Jordan is the Goat all by himself, and I believe deep down inside, everybody knows it, including past and present players.
Past, present even future bro!
Nobody has surpassed what he did for the game of Basketball 🏀...🤷🏾♂️ That's factual!
Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't make them jealous. Jordan doesn't have the most rings, or the most MVPs or the most points, or the most Allstars, or the most All NBA, or the most DPOY, so GOAT means greatest of all time. Greatest at what?
Having the most accomplishments does not equate to one being the GOAT. Every true basketball player as well as fan knows this. There are a combination of things that ties into being the GOAT. MJ’s combination of basketball skill and accomplishments far outweighs anyone else’s. The way he dominated at the height of his career is unlike any other. I hope this helps. Now, be patient as you wait for the new Jordan’s to release. I know you are most excited to add to your collection 👍🏾
@@henrylowery3297 those awards are all voted for. Just looking at the "winners" of the past quarter century shows how ignorant and flawed those awards are.
@@eliastate7263 People don't have to like Jordan, but they should really stop lying about his accomplishments. Just understand that facts cannot be changed. Jordan is the GOAT and in his playing days he wasn't even my favorite. on the Bulls. It was Scottie.
Was thinking exactly along the lines of this video when I heard Dr J speak about his goats for the first time. Definitely more than meets the eye 🙌🎯
Cosgrove whoever you are, thank you so much for the thrilling and amazing videos you made for us. 🙌🏽
Get off his top
@@dgprod3759 get off everyone else's top 💀
@@iversonsson your a cosgrove gawker i don’t want to hear it
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If Dr J said Lebron is the goat he’s definitely a hater
Dr j is the same guy that said LeBron ruin the league when he created his super team through free agency with other dudes in their Prime but now he's going to say he's the goat make up your mind doc
Its OK to have your own opinion on who's the top 5 all time in the NBA and yea some guys won't acknowledge some players either cause their teams beat them when it counted the most or they couldn't match them while guarding them in a game. What is the important thing is that no matter the like or dislike for a player that's known they either made an impact or making impact currently in the highest level of professional basketball.
This isnt true. Jordans favorite player was David Thompson, not Erving. He was one of the players MJ idolized the most, but in his younger years, he always mentioned David Thompson.
I think he saw most of Ervings prime as a teen and literally played him which meant he spoke more about him at some point.
THANK YOU!!!!! David Thompson was DEFINITELY MJ's idol! DT introduced the man at his hall of fame induction!
@@L_Matic Yea like this video made by Cosgrove isnt wrong about Erving being idolized by MJ while he clearly has antipathy towards MJ, but it surely is wrong about who is actually HIS idol.
I remember Jordan talking about how high he regarded David Thompson early on. However I wouldn’t be surprised if word got back to Jordan how Erving really felt about him-and I’m sure MJ took it personally.
@@Dotsetc
Michael Jordan never idolized Julius Erving.
Stop lying already. Jordan didn't know who Julius Erving was until he got to the NBA.
Yall tripping... he said it out of his own mouth... cognitive dissonance
I hate this. I grew up where I loved Dr.J and then Michael became my favorite. I always felt that Julius maybe overreacted to something Jordan said. I hated that Dr.J would never take over the game more than he did and got overly "team oriented," and would talk about how he talked with coaches when he moved from the Nets and the ABA, where he dominated, to the sixers and the NBA, were he was a great player but not dominant, because of trying to put other teammates first. I remember Julius coming off a short injury and had one point in the first quarter and 9 at halftime in his first game back after the injury. He ended up with 40 total for the game. That's the only time I know he actually went off. When Mike came in the league, everything he said about Dr.J is exactly how I felt too. Jordan added that he wanted to dominate games like he wanted Julius to, but just wouldn't because of his "team first" attitude. I think Dr.J heard some of those comments Jordan made, and took them the wrong way I think. He didn't have to get salty and resentful about it, and should have taken Michael under his wing. That old sin of jealousy is a nasty one though, and will ruin everything.
MJ did go team oriented and helped him win 6 titles. So even if this was Irving's criticism of MJ then even more so he should have greater respect for his development as a player to win. But that jealousy and those who lost personally against MJ just takes away their opinion as a reliable assessment.
@@srzjumper no you are getting backwards. I was saying that when Erving was in the ABA he won scoring titles, and would take over games. When he came to the sixers and the NBA the coaches wanted him to play more of a team oriented game and not takeover the scoring each game. Jordan was a fan of Erving and i think he made these comments on the old Roy Firestone ESPN show, but talked about how he was an Erving fan and how he wished he would have taken over games more like he did in the ABA, or something like that. It wasn't a critique of him so much as a perspective of a fan, and it was really a compliment by Jordan. Erving might have taken it the wrong way.
Sometimes I have doubt about who the goat is, then I watch some MJ again and every thing is clear again. He and LB have the most amazing offensive skills I've ever seen, both have an enormous winner mentality, MJ was a lockdown defender too, he is like a marriage between the offensive skills of LB and the difensive skills of a guard version of Bill Russell. The guy was amazing and I don't think he will be replaced on the first place.
It’s this easy,
Both in their primes, is Dr J giving MJ problems? Nope.
Dafq? As if mj is a basketball god. Wilt in his prime vs mj lets see.
@@zilverman7820 Wilt can barely guard Russel a perennial defender not even a scorer
@@robertwilliams9288 prime vs prime? MJ would wax him
@@halfshot253 that’s ludicrous
Two 3 peats back to back , greatest accomplishment imo n the nba , and 0 of them games went to a game 7 . With that said , if mj ain’t on your Rushmore , your a Jordan hater .
Jordan came up when ESPN came up. He's a media star from the late 80's and 90's . Everyone ignores Kareem, Wilt, Bill, Magic, Bird, Eligin, West, etc., becuase they didn't see them on TV everynight.
I’ve been thinking this for years! Isaiah Thomas, Scotty Pippen, only those who hated him, or were jealous of him.
Quality content. So much respect and appreciation for your work. Thanks from the Philippines. Cheers
There is a lot of resentment in basketball and it stems from how players of the past have missed out on the benefits that players of today have! Jordan will always be in any conversation referencing the Greatest Player of All Time! However, everyone is entitled to their opinion. You will find resentment from Oscar, Julius, Baylor, Gervin, Monroe and a lot of players in terms of Jordan simply because they just couldn't do what he did and if they could they would have! Kareem Abdul Jabbar hates on Jordan all the time. Jabbar gives statements about Jordan selling out and how Jordan should use his influence to fight for social justice. Kareem has been bagging Jordan for years and so has Julius Erving. It's typical of humans to behave that way. Take Magic and Isiah freezing Jordan out in his first All-Star Game! Jealousy is common in these sports!
Its also like wtf mj because he sits on mounds of cash never to help his community meanwhile others with lesser do more. I see why julius and kareem hate this mf. They grew up in eras where this kind of stuff was right in their face. Then this guy just pops through and acts like they never had to fight tooth and nail for the league he even plays in.
Magic didn't shut out Jordan during the 84-85 NBA All Star game because he was on the west team and Jordan was on the East team. It was Isiah Thomas and some others.
I think Oscar has since chilled. In a 2020 interview, when asked who his 5 favorite players was, the first player and only player he didn’t hesitate to say was MJ. I think people give him shit for his take on Lebron in 2014, but if you watch that interview, he didn’t say Lebron was better than MJ, just that he had the potential to be.
@@afrounihayes949 No, Magic and Isiah came up with the idea. Magic and Isiah were child hood buddies and Magic really didn't become friendly with Jordan until later! Magic was on the other side but he an Isiah hand their finger prints all over that. You have to remember, Jordan was also stealing Magic's shine too and Magic and Isiah didn't like that!
He needs more recognition. They should count the ABA stats get him in the 30000 club. He feel like he's better
Jealousy dominates AS USUAL!
Great video!! But Jordan's childhood idol was David Thompson.
Facts
David Thompson but he imitating Dr J
I can’t blame Dr J for his top 5 .. you wouldn’t catch LBJ saying his top 5 player is someone who played when he nearly retires
Nah Lebron is smart and he gives players their props. He has always been praising Curry even back when he was just a kid at Davidson. Also Lebron has a much bigger impact with modern social media so he wont feel threatened as much
exactly. Dr j top 5 are ppl he idolized or played with. Jordan came in when he was retiring. thats like lebron putting ja morant on his top 5 as good as he is. I'd expect Bron to put kobe kd steph dwade probably shaq even though when Bron came in shaq was on past his prime
I mean, 40 years from now he might. This would be like Brett Favre not being able to say that Tom Brady is the GOAT.
Exactly
🔥🔥🔥You did an excellent job covering this
Did you noticed how when he said Kareem was the best he had a lil smirk on his face lol
You need to look back at when mj first got drafted it was a few nba players that's said mj would never be that guy,well mj took that personal n he's the goat now.so yea mj had alot of haters that's why he showed out.
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@@PIP...33 -I heard that M.J. sold his soul 4 his position 2 be known as Thee Greatest Basketball-Player ever. Scott Barrett from Dank Stats even said so on his old twitter page. If you ever get the desire or itch 2, then just try to look him up 4 real. And also maybe look this topic up on You-Tube in your spare-time too, their is a Puerto-Rican guy who explains this topic oh so very very well..
@@PIP...33 IVAN MAKE BASKET. YELL FOR LOVE OF COUNTRY.
@@alexandercoffman8319 Scott Barrett also said that about Tom Brady. It was dark humor. But sure, him and some random dude have the inside dirt on MJ and the Prince of Darkness.
@@amostlyreasonableguy JUST BELIEVE IN SHALLOW THINGS LIKE BILLIONS.
Isiah Thomas and Gary Payton did the same, started mentioning Kareem as the GOAT at some point.
I don't mind, Dr J is one of my favorite players.
And they're not completely wrong either. Kareem does have a legit argument for GOAT status....whether they hate MJ or not.
@@j.p.2976 Can you justify Kareem having a legit argument for GOAT? He has only one championship without Magic Johnson.
@@axilmar254 You must not be aware of Kareem's accomplishments. To save you the trouble, here's a short resume......
1. six regular season MVPs (most in NBA history)
2. Six championships. Why doe it matter how many rings he won without Magic? Magic won zero without Kareem. Does that make Magic a lesser player? How many titles did MJ win without Pippen?
3. NBA's all time leading score ( for nearly 40 years now).
4. 2X scoring champ
5. 11 time all defensive NBA
6. 15 time all NBA
7. 2x NBA Finals MVP (should have been a third in the 1980 finals but they gave it to Magic since Kareem wasn't present for the award).
In my opinion, it's a matter of taste so if you prefer MJ as the GOAT I have no problem with it. But don't marginalize Kareem or other legends' accomplishments without a coherent, logical argument.
@@j.p.2976 I know Kareem's accomplishments, but they don't seem up on par with MJ to consider Kareem in the GOAT conversation.
For example, Jordan has 6 finals MVPs, which is a lot more important than the 6 regular season MVPs of Kareem.
Pippen is a far less accomplished player than either Magic or Kareem. I.e. Jordan had less help than Magic/Kareem than Kareem had from Magic (or Magic from Kareem, depending on the way you look at it).
Being the NBA's leading scorer is by no means an argument for GOATness. It's an argument for longevity. Jordan is the top player in PPG in the playoffs, which is a lot more important than being the leading scorer in absolute numbers.
MJ was the league's leading scorer 10 times.
I just don't see how Kareem fits in the GOAT conversation. Clearly, MJ is way more accomplished than Kareem.
@@axilmar254 Your argument is based on subjectivity and not necessarily on facts or sound argument:
1. Why do you view the Finals MVP as more important than a regular season MVP? This is your opinion, not a fact. By your logic a Finals MVP winner like Andre Igudola, Chauncey Billups, or Cedric Maxwell would be viewed greater than Dr. J or Kobe Bryant who only have one regular season MVP each. Or more valuable than HOFs Jerry West, Patrick Ewing, or James Worthy who have no regular season MVPs between them? Your argument is flawed here.
2. Pippen is a top 75 player like Magic. And a HOF. While Magic is one of the greatest PG, Pippen is considered one of the greatest perimeter defensive players ever. Fact is Pippen is a HOF regardless how much you may perceive him as lesser than Magic. And MJ had plenty of help especially during the last three peat where he played with two top 75 players HOF players (Pippen and Rodman). Same number of HOF'ers that Kareem played with (Magic and Worthy). Both MJ and Kareem had plenty of help. Even during the first 3 peat, MJ had Pippen, Horace, Paxson, and Cartwright (former ROTY and former all star). And a HOF coach in Phil Jackson. Cartwright brought a low post presence to Chicago and his arrival coincided with the Bulls' rise from pretender to contenders. If anyone has a gripe about having less talent in winning a title, it's Hakeem in 1994 (no HOF'ers on his team).
3. You are correct. Holding the all time scoring record alone does not make one the GOAT. But when you take Kareem's total accomplishments which are well documented, it's difficult to ignore his place in the GOAT discussion when the scoring record is factored is. And don't forget.....this record stood for nearly 40 years and most of the greats that came after him didn't break the record....at least until Lebron breaks it next year. As for your opinion about it being a "longevity" record, Kareem's career scoring average over 20 years is 24 ppg. You don't maintain such an average by just hanging around the league as a journeyman. Outside of Lebron and Kobe, there's really no one that has played 20 years while maintaining at least 24 ppg over a 20 year career.
4. You also argue that playoff PPG is more important than the all time scoring record. Again, this is just an opinion and it's not based on fact. Currently, Luka Donicic is second in all time playoff ppg. Based on your argument, Luka playoff ppg value is more important than Kareem's all time scoring record. I don't know if someone will seriously entertain that as a legitimate argument. Again, you're offering opinions not based on facts or sound logic.
5. Yes, MJ is a 10x scoring champ. How is this any different from Kareem's all time scoring record? I guess it boils down to which one a fan values more. I call this a wash.
6. As far as MJ being more accomplished than Kareem, again you're just offering opinions not based on objective facts and some of your arguments are flawed. I agree that MJ does have a case for GOAT but it's not as clear cut as you believe. All I'm saying is don't be so dismissive of Kareem. Don't be so quick to accept what mass media says without thoroughly researching what the legends have accomplished.
Thumbnail had me thinkin this was the pilot to, "#HeGotGame" lol
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Doc J has the right to his own opinion! Just because most of the world thinks MJ is the greatest doesn’t mean that Julius has to agree! And it definitely doesn’t mean he’s being a hater!
Dr. J and Isiah Thomas must be great friends... Haha 😂
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WOW so when someone has a different opinion on the goat or even just praises lebron, they’re automatically a hater?
Yea and his top 5 was just players he grew up watching
@@janiilola6499 Yh because it’s HIS top 5 lmao
God, I hate everything about you. LeBron and John Cena? I come from the Stone Cold and Michael Jordan era. I feel sorry for you.
It’s not the difference of opinion. It’s how it’s done. Jordan definitely isn’t the junior version of Dr. J. Jordan was an overall much better player than his predecessors and those during his career and after. The way he dominated a big man’s league.
@@scotthall7585 you hate someone you’ve never met?
mj introduced the nba to the world like no other.. my take on whose the greatest is... U need to come out where and when it matters the most. Jordan always shows up everytime he is called upon.. 6-0 in the finals baby. And that is why lebron will always be 2nd to mj.. he can be the leading scorer, but come to think about it.. kareem was there eversince he retired, and people still considered mj as the goat..
That Sporting News with Jordan on the cover as the next Dr.J is worth a mint, and was the straw in my dad's back! I used to The Sporting News delivered to the house and I remember him getting the mail first and saying Do You Believe This?? I said Yup!
cosgrove be always uploading the best videos
Nah I doubt Dr. J hates Jordan. If you think about it Jordan came to stardom after Julius done completed all he had to. So hating on him would make no sense and be weird jealously.
Yeah the old generation loves to “hate” on the younger generation. But that’s like Jordan hating on those who came after him.
Also notice how his favorites are nothing but real old players
Exactly
Yeah... I think like that as well... Maybe he doesn't hate mj but instead just like ur average old head, prefer players his era & before than new era players
Its bs that the old gen 'loves' to hate the young gen. You're using examples of a minority group of specific players.
Also the top 5ive players Doc named were players who he watched when he was a kid,Russel,Wilt,Elgin,"the Logo",Robinson.
That is clearly some resentment right there. If he really preferred the old heads, there is no way there is inconsistency in his answer of his goat player and his top 5 all time. More than any of us, he has been living in that basketball world and it is impossible to ignore that Jordan is widely hailed as the goat. I have no problem if he prefer other players but to not even mentioning MJ in such discussion is definitely on purpose
The Fact that the Dr. used Robert Horry's 7 titles to try to diminish Jordan's 6!!!??????
Julius seriously needs a Real Dr. to help him with all his Hate and Jealousy.
Cool vid man.
DR.J definitely had a massive influence on MJ, how too be an Icon, the Dress Sense, how too conducted yourself and Play the Game in the right way plus Playing Style aswell.
I don't know if DR.J is abit envious of MJ for whatever Reason but being one MJ"s Idols, I would be proud of that for sure. DR.J Top 5 was done when he was Young and Nostalgia is hard too Shake.
David 'Skywalker' Thompson was another Player that influenced MJ aswell, the Vertical Leap, Scoring, Dunking and Moves MJ copied.
My Top 5 Players too Watch alongwith MJ are - Kobe, AI, Pippen and Penny.
My all time Top 5 Players Lists are - MJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe and Kareem.
My Top 5 for a Team are - MJ, Pippen, Rodman, Kobe and AI.
Dr J was and still is envious of the young bull showing up and overshadowing him.
MJ was the new star of the “show”… He was young and exciting. MJ’s popularity and idolization from the culture of basketball is what made his peers so mad.
Julius was the biggest attraction of all time… until he wasn’t. He was the biggest star in the NBA… until he wasn’t.
He didn’t want to give up the “torch”, so Michael Jordan took it from him.
Junior version of Dr. J at first , when MJ first came into the nba. Then, Mj went on to develop the best mid range game in history of the league not to mention that unstoppable turn around jumper. Of course the old school pistons wouldn’t except for Dumars and Rodman. Payton hate would too. I mean if you beat my very good sonics team in the nba finals 4-2 I would also. I mean it was at the very least supposed to go to a game seven with 30 tics on the clock. Well , that wasn’t necessary.Sonics never made it back and the bulls went in to capture to more titles. But of course everyone is entitled to their own options. Sometimes, as my college professors use to say make sure that your opinions are supported by facts. Kobe bean knew this even asking for the release point of that turn around jumper that he went on to perfect himself.
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David "skywalker" Thompson was who he wanted to be like (in the court)
Dr J feels this way about MJ because of the way MJ treated a good friend of his The ice-man George Gervin , , when Gervin was traded to the Bulls MJ called him an old man and cussed the Bulls administration out for getting him ,MJ was begging for help on the team and they went out and got Gervin , MJ was saying that he couldn’t help them win
I never knew this but makes sense
@@hifrederickthebedroomwizar8963 yeah a lot of people didn’t know I don’t think Gervin played wit them that long either because of the situation and they just brought him in to help mold MJ as more of a team player and MJ kept saying we’ll get me some Help
A lot of people were off that coke back then. It might've played a part in relationships, who knows...
@@reodagreo7637 I doubt Gervin was on it. Could've been but I doubt it.
Doc always said that Kareem was the greatest player he every saw and played against. No hate here.
MJ first 3peat made him the 🐐 goat universally, the second 3peat was just to cement his legacy in the sands of time .
If you grew up in the 70's or 80's like myself you already know there wasn't many channels back then lol. Markets were local or national via a handful of TV networks. Thus Michael Jordan grew up on local greats like in North Carolina like David Thompson. Where I grew up in Texas you rarely saw NBA games back then but you might see Bird, Kareem & Magic play from time to time nationally.
jordan shoes still sells like hotcakes that's how GOAT he is
They sell that way because he sells a limited amount of a certain type so people can shoot and kill each other. Just to turn around a few years later and sell the same shoe. Rinse and repeat. People need to stop worshipping people.
You know curry score 34 points and he won in game 6 and ray allen was there just think about it
As a Bad Boys Piston fan. I believe Jordan is still the G.O.A.T. Lastly Zeke and Laimbeer saying LeBron is over Jordan?.... that old rivalry will never die.
Im a Bad Boys fan, I would never call someone after me the best, especially if I beat them. MJ lovers hate that
What sets Jordans greatness compared to others was the era he played the game. Late 80s An 90s basketball was so competitive to a point that technical fouls nowadays are just simple fouls in his era especially in playoffs.
In his time as the greatest player, he never choked, you have to know that media and the people all over the world was looking at MJ and with that , comes with great expectations which MJ never failed to deliver.
Not only that, he was not only challenged in the basketball court but also in his personal life. The death of his father, him going to baseball, gambling issues. The flu game, each year Jordan has a story to tell.
He still hating on Michael Jordan, and to prove it, by telling that somehow the stats of LeBron James, will make him the greatest basketball player of all time. When in fact your impact and your success and your abilities to deliver, when your team needs you to elevate to next level, perform at the highest levels. Only one these players have ever done that. And that player is Michael Jordan.
Kareem?