Life after death, according to Latter-day Saints
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2024
- In this discussion, Saints Unscripted hosts Kaitlyn, Lauren, and David talk about the afterlife and what heaven might look like for those who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ and those who are not. Their thoughts might surprise you!!
What do you think about the afterlife? What did we miss? Let us know in the comments below!
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From a 68 year old, 40+ years in the church, I think this was a great conversation. We need more of these.
I have a couple of thoughts to share…
First, we have a supervisor at my work that is the worst and causes so much anxiety for employees when she’s on shift. When she’s not there work is so peaceful and flows properly. I compare that to Heaven without Satan!! When we aren’t constantly being tempted or having negative thoughts, life will be so much more comfortable!
Second, our mortal bodies are a drag with illnesses and/or handicaps of any sort. When we don’t have infirmities to deal with, I think (I HOPE) our attitudes and ambitions will be so much more joyful.
Last but not least, we really only have today as reality anyway, and even though we have goals and ambitions in our future, is 10 years away REALLY any different than 2000 years? That’s how I’ve come to deal with that fear because I’ve had it too!! Eternity is something we can’t see and can’t fathom! But in truth, can you fathom 20, 30, 40 years down the road?🤷🏼♀️ Just my 2 cents😊
This was a great conversation- thank you! In regards to sealing relationships, I sometimes think that the key thing is to ENTER into that covenant relationship with the Lord and your spouse, but the specific person with whom you enter into that covenant in this life (or through proxy sealings) may not be who you’re sealed to for eternity (though it certainly could be!). It’s more important that you make that covenant and “practice” that higher law now. I obviously don’t know why men can be sealed to more than one wife but not vice versa, though my thoughts tend to answer that for myself with the reasoning that there have been (and likely still are) more righteous women desiring to enter into that covenant relationship than men, and it gives more women that opportunity in this life (of course all will eventually have the opportunity). Even if they don’t end up sealed to that specific spouse in the eternities, it’s still a huge blessing and great training ground to be in that relationship with the Lord in this life (or the Spirit World I assume?) for however long until it all gets worked out. The Millennium is also a long time before we even get to judgement and kingdoms. I think the point may be to have the opportunity to enter into the new and everlasting covenant and receive those blessings and power to bless others (children, family, etc) in this life. Growing closer to the Lord and learning how to love others as God does is like our training wheels for what’s to come.
Good conversation. We are simply limited in our knowledge of the afterlife, but I'm grateful for what has been revealed and it's interesting to speculate about certain details I suppose. One aspect I have heard various opinions on is whether there is progression allowed from one Kingdom to another or if progression is only within the Celestial Kingdom? My understanding is the latter since it is a result after the final judgment. However, certainly progression and learning in the Spirit World takes place which allows those who have died without the Gospel to have the opportunity to accept it before the final judgment. Any thoughts on this?
God is Love, and I am in awe that Jesus would think I’m someone worth suffering unimaginable pain and death for. There are few other truths that have had such a profound effect on me. Jesus died for me not just so I could be saved, but so I could become! I know that my Savior loves me, and that a perfect love like that will always be just and fair, and I trust whatever judgements come perfectly! Have a great day, everyone!
Unanswered questions also make us imperfect and therefore forgivable
God’s Plan is a Plan of Salvation, NOT damnation! He loves all of His creations/children. He will save as many as will let Him!
I think we are being taught to do things in a righteous manner, and to improve incrementally as we go. An act that we participated in years ago that was negative, yet, if it were to be repeated later in life and had a positive outcome rather than negative, then we are learning to live in a celestial manner. Learning to control our emotions and how we treat each other is an important factor as well as how obedient we are to living the laws of the gospel, and being happy in service to others. I think that is what the Lord is looking for in each of us. I don’t think there is a tally of good deeds vs. bad deeds. Repentance is an active mechanism in helping us to improve and move toward becoming better each day. Some things we can overcome quickly, and other things can present a challenge where we really have to work hard at overcoming that fault, but eventually we’ll get there. The gospel of Jesus Christ is very positive.
The LDS Church is a humanist and universalist church. It is not an exclusivist, hell, fire, and brimstone church. Attend a ward on any given Sunday. Hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached. The Plan of Salvation is for everyone.
Then why did Jesus preach more on the dangers of hell, than on heaven?
@user-ns9jq2ee9s I like Rob Lacey's Word on the Street translation: "The evidence smacks you in the face, from the smallest microcosm to the biggest star system -- all trade-marked 'God'. And it doesn't take a genius to work out what God's like from what he's made. No excuses."
@@BobSmith-lb9nc John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands **condemned** already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
@@howardkenneth5569 Amen. Now, how do you put that principle into action?
@@BobSmith-lb9nc If a person walks in darkenss then they lie and have not the truth.... kinda like polygamy, or making false prophecies.
Its not all about our church its all about the ordinance of the gospel of Jesus Christ.thanks for show
35 years old, and I still get those anxieties. I know it's stupid, but it still freaks me out from time to time.
I feel like a hole that I will never see the end of.
Yet I know the gospel, I can switch that fear off.
Eternity is like mortal life were you can not tell when you will die but you living and happy because we are eternal spirit beings.death makes people think they are not eternal being.even me some time I think of eternity I just laugh and shakes my head.for the goodness of God.
❤️❤️❤️I love the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ!
What a fun video. The topic is so uplifting
When you are confirmed, you are confirmed a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In the eternities the current church will change to the Church of the Firstborn. The ordinances provided for eternal life can only be given by the authority restored to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints only, and no other.
We may not belong to a "church" in the eternities, but the sealing power seals us to God and His family. But to be sealed, and become part of the family of God and live eternal what we, as members and as prophets have described, do is live a life like God. Even in the Celestial Kingdom, there are degrees. Only the highest degree are we able to live an Eternal Life. Others will be ministering angles and such, those in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom live the life God lives, eternal life.
Awesome discussion! And you’re almost right: they are not baptized into the church; they are confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Listen to the wording of the ordinance next time you go to the temple for baptisms and confirmations! 😊
There used to be a channel called BYU Education Week. They talk about the after life and sometimes gave details by comparing them to NDE's... I wonder why they took it down..
Thank you! This is the most annoying exmo position at the moment. They generally claim we teach “Mormons will be the only ones in Heaven.”
This makes absolutely no sense given our practices of work for the dead. Why would God command us to do work for every single human being if he already knows 0 out of 10 billion will be allowed in?
It was never about the tithing or word of wisdom or whatever other commandment. Life is about coming closer to God, which commandments can sometimes facilitate along with repentance.
This was a great conversation to listen to
Death: The Final Frontier.
Space can suck it. 😂
@@michiganabigail 😂
Not so.
@@debfryer2437hm? Death is not the final frontier?
@@debfryer2437 or space cannot suck it?
Every business, family, government, institution should be self-sufficient.....put simply debt is a regret.
Lauren! You are awesome! I was thrilled to see you here and to get your perspective. I think the older I get, the more I internalize the idea that the whole point of our existence is not how well we do, or the "good points" we rack up, but WHO WE BECOME. We are struggling here and making mistakes in a place that is safe (thought the atonement of Christ) for us to mess up, and still be ok. It's the struggle and trying and messing up that teaches us how to be better people.
Do an episode about widows/widowers and theor second spouses!
I felt a lot of comfort from the story at 20:30.
Thank you! ❤
As a Christian, I am committed to the Hebraic understanding of anthropology. God created humans from dust by breathing into them. Death is simple the loss of breath or life force given by God and a return to the dust. Here, as Ecclesiastes, Psalms, Paul and Jesus trach, humans sleep unconsciously till the resurrection. Thus, there is no body soul dualism - Greek thinking - nor some intermediate place we're souls go till the resurrection. Death is soul sleep.
When the camera is on Lauren - the picture on the wall on the left, the couple floating above the cliff - who is the artist, what’s it called?
That's a reproduction of the prop from Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade just Google "Indiana Jones leap of faith painting"
Good topic and comments. David I have to disagree with your statement that those who receive the Ordinances and Covenants vicariously are not members of Christ's church or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints.
If they accept these works, they are brought into the fold. Remember, after baptism, they are confirmed members of the church. They are given the priesthood in the church of Jesus Christ... I would think this qualifies them as full members of the Church before they enter the Celestial kingdom.
Not to say there will be far more individuals that throughout history never hear the gospel and then accept the gospel in the spirit world.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
i dont think much about eternal life anymore. life after joining the church has been very lonely. i only hope i can see my dog again, but i doubt that too
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Good discussion, guys. But you seem to be forgetting that the ordinance bestowing the gift of the Holy Ghost includes the confirmation of membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - whether done in this life or by proxy. So in a sense, by the end, all who inherit the celestial kingdom will belong to this church. (And even those who do not will have had their ordinances done.)
One decision won't affect everyone goes to heaven there's more than 3 levels its more like 3 trillion small sections between each level kinda like parallel universes there kinda infinite but that's just what I believe
I love D&C 75:10 and 76:5-10. If we're faithful and if we ask, what we need to know will be revealed to us.
Great concluding statements by all three of you in this episode.
I believe that a sister who marries a widower who was sealed to his previous wife, can be sealed via proxy after the husband passes away.
When a baby is blessed they are given the name that they will be known on the records of the church. Baptism is the first covenant and ordinance we make. And then we are a baptized member
In the Doctrine and Covenants… those that go to the Celestial kingdom include those that the Lord knows would have accepted the gospel if they had been introduced to it in this life.
The ordinances need to be performed in the flesh. The millennium is a time the vast majority of these will be done.
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With all qe know and believe the unknown is still gives us anxiety. Thats normal human reactions. Thx for the video
One of the biggest reasons the lds church does not appeal to me on a spiritual level is simply is that unlimitly there is no place in the Celestial Kingdom for Same-gender couples, a eternity without my husband would be hell indeed. Why would I want to be part of any organization that believes my opinions are remain alone in this life, if I'm faithful God will make me stright and i would spend eternity in a eternil marriage with a woman I didn't love, or live my life with my beloved Same-gender partner and in the next life be separated from him because we did not fall in line with the churches teaching on homosexuality. My God is so much bigger then that, so much more compassionate and merciful.
I think we forget that we do need to be members of the church to enter the celestial kingdom. Even the proxy confirmation for the deceased in the temple uses the phrase "confirm you a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints."
Everyone who ever lived gets that choice but yes only members of the church will inherit the celestial kingdom.
Power! This is the problem word! Power seems to mean control over a person. Responsibility or stewardship is a better word. Power has come to mean abusive.
That kind of “power(abusive)” is not part of the priesthood! Which is why it shouldn’t be a part of the church. That’s not what Christ teaches!
In the workforce world it’s a whole other ballgame. Men and women are not treated equally but especially in pay status. Which causes problems!
Then there’s the other side …. If I walk into a bank and say I identify as a millionaire, are they going to give me the million dollars??
O what is the point of becoming a member now?
The purpose of becoming a member now is to give us the choice to maximize our happiness. Sure, we could do other things now and repent later, but that brings into mind this question: would you rather live a life where you had regrets that were later made up for, or a life where you had the least amount of regrets possible? The choice is yours. Tapping into a relationship with God and said relationship being strengthened through covenants now, in my eyes, is better than a life without God, where I missed out on the joy I could have had, but would start up that joyous experience later down the line. I maximize my happiness by taking advantage now, and that decision in turn increases even more my happiness, because I chose God now, not later.
@@jaredcarcamo8515 but on the other hand it sounds more practical to pay off your debts and only then get baptized so you feel free to pay tithing instead of paying off your debts.
vast majority? You dont know that. smh. 🤦♂ And what does that even mean? Because we're doing temple work for people who never had a chance, so they arent exactly "non members"
Alonzo Gaskgill wrote a book "Odds are you are going to be exalted." Very much worth the read. It talks about humanity as a whole.
I thought that comment about the vast majority not being LDS , was questionable because we are repeatedly told my stay on covenant path , so this makes it sound like it’s the non -members get to skip the line but will still be rewarded the same blessing promised to the faithful. Yes there will be those who are not menders and who will need to be taught the gospel and decide if they accept the it in the next life and they will start to learn things that we have already had the opportunity to learn as members.
I think the way it was expressed, at least in my head, comes out to this: as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, we proclaim to teach the Restored true gospel and learn and live by what had been revealed. The proxy ordinances that we do for those that have passed on give them the "choice" to accept his Gospel. But as they are not of morality anymore, they are not part of the Church on earth but have the opportunity to be numbered of Christ. So technically non member of the Church, but still taught and accepted all that has been revealed. If this makes sense or needs correction let me know.
Fun fact: a female can actually be sealed to two men under the following scenario -
(1) she’s sealed to husband A, but A dies. (2) she marries husband B for time only and has children with B. (3) She and B die. (4) her & B’s children can then have their parents sealed together as husband & wife.
Obviously this doesn’t mean she’ll STAY sealed to both, but she’ll get to choose.
Thanks for your comment 😉
My comment disappeared. I think Lauren may benefit by watching Brad Wilcox's talk on grace based on something she said a couple of times in this episode.
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Jesus is the only mediator between God and man he paid the price the full price do not try to add to it and don't take nothing away either
I believe that a person has one soul mates only one person that they can fall in love with and if you get sealed to them you should not remarry that's just what I feel because that's your true husband or your true wife
First, on how it will "look/be", I have an audio book called "I Saw Heaven" by Lawrence E. Tooley. Listen to his description of it. That'll suffice, I think.
Second...the BIG picture.
Mainstream Christianity teaches a very linear, binary system. You're in or you're out. You made the cut or you didn't. Fear of NOT making the cut is why so many have embraced watered-down versions to make things easier for themselves. They see God and Heaven as rewards for being right in this life.
That's not what it is AT ALL. It's not about qualifying for rewards. It's not about the privilege of worshipping God forever.
It really is about US and that's difficult to understand if you take the "God made us from nothing, here we are, hope you figure it out" approach.
We CHOSE to be here. We CHOSE to learn. The kingdoms aren't about qualifying, they're about progressing. It's not that a checklist gets you in or keeps you out. It's Spider-Man: with great power comes great responsibility. We get the responsibility we're willing to take on, so we get what comes with that. Lower kingdoms aren't punishment; they're just options.
I'm reading a book (far from finished) called "Odds Are You're Going To Be Exalted". Perspective. We do what we can here to learn and grow and to help others. God has a plan. It'll work out. It's why we don't teach the "or else" theology like other churches. We seek to grow, not to simply escape punishment. HUGE difference.
This has been not only a very interesting subject to listen to, but also a very helpful one! Thank you! 👍🫶🏻
This is so sad. Heaven is not about ourselves and our own comfort. It’s about glorifying the Lord Jesus. None of us can “do our best” and baptizing the dead?
Please I beg of you, research why Joseph smith is a false prophet. His added doctrines have deceived many. Turn to the holy Bible which warns of anything being added to it. Jesus never, ever, ever taught of 3 kingdoms.
“ It is appointed once for a man to live and then to face judgement” Hebrews 9:27
May the Lord tear down your pride and open your eyes to our great need for Him and why his wrath and justice is due. Those who face it are those who have rejected his great love. It is only by his mercy that we are given each day another chance to repent.
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Envisioning a wonderful afterlife is a pleasant pastime and leads to peace-of-mind, but there is actually no verifiable physical evidence that any sort of afterlife even exists. A belief in an afterlife of any sort is purely a matter of faith, and is the product of wishful thinking.
Many things during this life are just that. Based on a belief or faith. Others are factual and can be proven via scientific methods etc. In my opinion, we need both. Can't say with certainty but I think the geniuses and scientists of the past (and why not present, too) had to believe first that their discoveries, inventions and so on, could work or be true. True, they reinforced their discoveries with science but I think there was a great amount of faith too.
Another thing that I can think of, are the many stories we have about people who have died and come back. Many (if not all, can't be certain, I've only heard and read a handful myself) tell about some sort of existence after they died. Now, whether it was only in their heads or it was real, who really knows? That's when faith enters the picture.
Lastly, I personally think that all this (the world, life here and all we do etc.) would be kinda pointless if it all ended upon death. I know that's not technically an argument (nor are any of the other ones I've presented, I guess). They are just some things I've pondered upon, as a pastime...
@@legomaster9190 Well said, you are one of the very few around here who lives in the 'real world'!! Congrats!!
THere was a saying we used to hear occasionally in the church when I was growing up, "there will be a lot of very surprised Mormons in the Terrestrial Kingdom." Thankfully we don't hear that any more.